Uninsured rate keeps climbing under Republicans

[jon_berzerk]

Having initially dropped BIGLY under Obamacare uninsured rates have now been climbing back up ever since Trump won election and began messing with our healthcare:

The Uninsured Rate Is Going Up Again | HuffPost

U.S. Uninsured Rate Rises to 12.3% in Third Quarter

Or as Trumpsters would say:

so obamacare is failing

nothing has changed in the laws

another leftard flop

 

[danielpalos]

Having initially dropped BIGLY under Obamacare uninsured rates have now been climbing back up ever since Trump won election and began messing with our healthcare:

The Uninsured Rate Is Going Up Again | HuffPost

U.S. Uninsured Rate Rises to 12.3% in Third Quarter

Or as Trumpsters would say:

Huffpo, the news source that gave Crooked Hillary a 98.6% chance of winning?

"Proof of foreign influence"?

 

[danielpalos]

Having initially dropped BIGLY under Obamacare uninsured rates have now been climbing back up ever since Trump won election and began messing with our healthcare:

The Uninsured Rate Is Going Up Again | HuffPost

U.S. Uninsured Rate Rises to 12.3% in Third Quarter

Or as Trumpsters would say:

So, according to the graph you supplied, the uninsured rate started to climb shortly after Q3 of 2016, right around the election time and likely before Trump even took office (looks like Q4 2016). So, what exactly did Trump do to be saddled with the blame here? Was it his mere election that caused this? If so, how? Please explain...

You mean other than promises of getting rid of ACA and it's mandate "day 1"?

When Trump won and Republicans retained majority ACA future and market certainties went up in the air.

So, are you saying that you attribute the 1.4 point increase to a campaign promise? Is that correct?

Markets listen, when public officials make public policy statements. Some people, even, trade on news.

 

[danielpalos]

Having initially dropped BIGLY under Obamacare uninsured rates have now been climbing back up ever since Trump won election and began messing with our healthcare:

The Uninsured Rate Is Going Up Again | HuffPost

U.S. Uninsured Rate Rises to 12.3% in Third Quarter

Or as Trumpsters would say:

Huffpo, the news source that gave Crooked Hillary a 98.6% chance of winning?

This is a Gallup poll...so you are going to have to scramble for some other excuse.

What he's saying, and this has to do with snowflakes who read Huffpo, is that Trump is responsible for rising premiums and the Obamacare death spiral

Market uncertainties, increase risk.

 

[danielpalos]

Trump promises:

Trump reality:

More expensive insurance and more uninsured people.

Right to work States and now this. There ought to be laws against, false political advertising, simply to show those morals in public, for the private sector.

 

[danielpalos]

Insurance is the problem, not the solution. As a nation, we're nursing some really stupid delusions regarding what insurance is and what it can achieve. We've got to get it through our heads that insurance doesn't make health care more affordable, it makes it more expensive, and it can't be used to build a social safety net.

You can't convince a nation of stupid people that they're wrong.

lol. There is no general warfare clause or a common offense clause;

there is,

a general welfare clause and a common defense clause.

 

[danielpalos]

Obamacare was designed to implode, leaving "single payer" as the only answer.

Good luck with that.

Thanks, right wingers, for having, nothing but repeal instead of a better republican solution at lower republican cost.

 

[danielpalos]

Biggest Cause of Personal Bankruptcies? Medical Bills

...according to whom?

"not real estate guys".

 

[dblack]

Wake and bake for the win.

 

[danielpalos]

Biggest Cause of Personal Bankruptcies? Medical Bills

...according to whom?

...umm FACTS, from bankruptcy statistics.

Liar.

where is Your link?

simply claiming you are on the right and must be for the "gospel Truth" of any given issue, only works on Sundays.

 

[danielpalos]

Having initially dropped BIGLY under Obamacare uninsured rates have now been climbing back up ever since Trump won election and began messing with our healthcare:

The Uninsured Rate Is Going Up Again | HuffPost

U.S. Uninsured Rate Rises to 12.3% in Third Quarter

Or as Trumpsters would say:

Oh my Allah, you mean that if people are not forced to buy the product of well connected looters under penalty of law, the crooks who you serve lose business?

YES! I do mean that.

People who are healthy don't want to pay for insurance, UNTIL THEY ARE NOT HEALTHY.

The only way to be able to guarantee everyone access to coverage in free market based system is to mandate that they get covered healthy or not.

Back under the Capitalists, there was an option for such people - CATASTROPHIC COVERAGE.

When you Communists took over, you crushed that. Guess we normals will have to bring back common sense after it's exile under Obama...

Would even a "Blue Ribbon" commission be able to rise above its constituency, back when HMOs and catastrophic coverage were, "the political rage and political passion of the moment"?

 

[danielpalos]

It's not just words at this point, Trump is doing real, not just some promised damage.

Trump signs executive order that could effectively gut Affordable Care Act’s individual mandate

Trump will end health care cost-sharing subsidies - CNNPolitics

Pa. insurance department says Obamacare rates to rise 30.6 percen

None of this accounts for the numbers on the graph I was referring to, as they had not happened yet.

...of course it does, it directly comments on what caused 1.4% increase since Trump was elected.

No, it does not. The increase happened BEFORE his inauguration, therefore, he had NO ability to influence it, outside of campaign promises.

wrong, increase has been happening the entire year and is not some how limited to before inauguration.

But even as soon as Trump won ACA and its mendate came into question.

You are revealing your bias. I am not wrong, as I was referring to the increase directly after the election, hence, before Trump's inauguration. The fact that the trend continued After Jan. 21, is irrelevant to my comment.

Can we correlate to when Mr. Trump, "changed his tune" about a "fine and wonderful" health care plan for the People of our Republic?

 

[danielpalos]

Bullshit, the primary reason it was inexpensive was because they could carve out risk pools. For anyone that didn't meet all the criterias prices went up into stratosphere quickly and forget about getting insurance if you are actually sick already.

Why would an insurance company ever sell insurance to someone who is already sick? How does this make ANY sense?

It simply costs more, to cover the higher expected costs.

 

[danielpalos]

Bullshit, the primary reason it was inexpensive was because they could carve out risk pools. For anyone that didn't meet all the criterias prices went up into stratosphere quickly and forget about getting insurance if you are actually sick already.

Why would an insurance company ever sell insurance to someone who is already sick? How does this make ANY sense?

EXACTLY and that's why we need a mandate - so people can get insured, but don't abuse the system.

How about a "health care tax" to help fund that system? We can end the drug war and earmark revenue for that.

 

[danielpalos]

Bullshit, the primary reason it was inexpensive was because they could carve out risk pools. For anyone that didn't meet all the criterias prices went up into stratosphere quickly and forget about getting insurance if you are actually sick already.

Why would an insurance company ever sell insurance to someone who is already sick? How does this make ANY sense?

EXACTLY and that's why we need a mandate - so people can get insured, but don't abuse the system.

That is simply moronic. You must rob people at gun point to ensure they don't get ripped-off?

WTF? come down retard no one is getting robbed.

You demand that young, healthy people be forced to buy into health care maintenance plans they detest, then defend your larceny by claiming to "protect them."

You simply want to rob them, fact.

Routine maintenance could be included to help keep costs lower.

 

[danielpalos]

Why would an insurance company ever sell insurance to someone who is already sick? How does this make ANY sense?

EXACTLY and that's why we need a mandate - so people can get insured, but don't abuse the system.

It doesn't sound like you understand what insurance is. People buy insurance to get compensation on potential future illness or injuries. People who are already sick don't need health insurance. The need health care.

It is a financial product to help mitigate against financial losses.

 

[danielpalos]

Uninsured rate keeps climbing under Republicans

Don't give them any more reason to celebrate!

Promoting the general badfare is all they know; what is there to celebrate.

 

[danielpalos]

Having initially dropped BIGLY under Obamacare uninsured rates have now been climbing back up ever since Trump won election and began messing with our healthcare:

The Uninsured Rate Is Going Up Again | HuffPost

U.S. Uninsured Rate Rises to 12.3% in Third Quarter

Or as Trumpsters would say:

Oh my Allah, you mean that if people are not forced to buy the product of well connected looters under penalty of law, the crooks who you serve lose business?

YES! I do mean that.

People who are healthy don't want to pay for insurance, UNTIL THEY ARE NOT HEALTHY.

The only way to be able to guarantee everyone access to coverage in free market based system is to mandate that they get covered healthy or not.

This is where you go wrong every single time. Government is not tasked with guaranteeing everyone anything. Good little dictators will always sacrifice liberty for their own selfish desires.

We are guaranteed, a Republican form of Government.

 

[danielpalos]

It is what they consider making America great

Great countries do not give a shit about their people's health

The Romans invented the dole.

 

[danielpalos]

So basically the difference between no obamacare and the end of obamas term is three million or so people. Weren’t we told there were thirty to fifty million people without health insurance. And what you people never account for is the distress to what’s left of the middle class. $2000 a month now instead of $700. But they are mostly white so it is fine for them to suffer. Obamacare is a scam just like the last eight years. Let’s face it. Dems who will not lift a finger to alleviate the suffering of all Americans are willfully contributing to the suffering of the American people.

Unlike the right wing, with Nothing but Repeal, instead of any better solutions at potentially lower cost, under our "two party, not one party", system.