Unfair Laws For Videotaping Police Doing Their Jobs in Public.
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Kooshdakhaa
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So it didn't happen and the thread is a lie. Thanks.
Annie
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On every level of our federated system, it is the 'enforcer' of laws that is out of control. Executive branch.
In fairness, much of this is due to the 'law making' branch being out to lunch and the interpretive branch being afraid.
Without a separation of powers and duties, the government should lose control. However, that isn't likely to be the result, instead we'll end up with crisis, that may end with tyranny.
In fairness, much of this is due to the 'law making' branch being out to lunch and the interpretive branch being afraid.
Without a separation of powers and duties, the government should lose control. However, that isn't likely to be the result, instead we'll end up with crisis, that may end with tyranny.
Agreed.
Now the cops can just go back to their standard modus operandi --beating the shit out of the photographer, smashing their equipment, and arresting them on some trumped up charge like assault on an office.
The authorities owe it to our children to keep us from documenting their cops beating the crap out of us.
Dugdale_Jukes
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It could have happened is the point.
If there is a line crossed here, it has to do with integrity - the DA's and yours, and not reportage.
If that were true then the OP would have titled the thread differently.
Billo_Really
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You're right about us allowing government getting beyond our control, but they didn't "grow" there. Our representation was stripped from us by a "corporate oligarchy" that now controls everything the government say's and does.
As the incident in the OP illustrates, American's have become a threat to America.
There is no better example of government tyranny than the crackdown on the OWS movement. The DHS is supposed to be preventing terrorist attacks on the United States. However, a large amount of their surveilance is directed inward at OWS, anti-war, anti-death penalty and environmental protestors. Even though these protests are peaceful in nature, they are considered a threat to the status quo that major corporations now enjoy.
And they don't want the country to see this criminalization of 1st amendment rights, which is why we have a man (filming police doing public work) facing 75 years in prison for exercising those rights.
Know Your Rights When Taking Photos and Making Video and Audio Recordings
Taking photographs and videos of things that are plainly visible from public spaces is your constitutional right. That includes federal buildings, transportation facilities, and police and other government officials carrying out their duties. Unfortunately, law enforcement officers often order people to stop taking photographs or video in public places, and sometimes harass, detain or even arrest people who use their cameras or cell phone recording devices in public.
Your Right to Take Videos and Photographs
When in outdoor public spaces where you are legally present, you have the right to capture any image that is in plain view (see note below about sound recording). That includes pictures and videos of federal buildings, transportation facilities (including airports), and police officers.
When you are on private property, the property owner sets the rules about the taking of photographs or videos. If you disobey property owners' rules, they can order you off their property (and have you arrested for trespassing if you do not comply).
Police should not order you to stop taking pictures or video. Under no circumstances should they demand that you delete your photographs or video.
Police officers may order citizens to cease activities that are truly interfering with legitimate law enforcement operations. In general, a court will trust an officer's judgment about what is "interfering" more than yours. So if an officer orders you to stand back, do so.
If the officer says he/she will arrest you if you continue to use your camera, in most circumstances it is better to put the camera away and call the ACLU for help, rather than risking arrest.
Police officers may not generally confiscate or demand to view your photographs or video without a warrant. If you are arrested, the contents of your phone may be scrutinized by the police, although their constitutional power to do so remains unsettled. In addition, it is possible that courts may approve the seizure of a camera in some circumstances if police have a reasonable, good-faith belief that it contains evidence of a crime by someone other than the police themselves (it is unsettled whether they still need a warrant to view them).
Using a Video Recorder (Including Cell Phones) With Audio Capacity
You have a right to capture images in public places, but you don't always have a right to record what people say. Pennsylvania's Wiretap Law makes it illegal to record private conversations - which can include conversations in public places - without the consent of all parties to the conversation. Conversations with police in the course of their duties are not private conversations, but many other things you may record on a public street are.
You have the right to videotape and audiotape police officers performing official duties in public. It is not a violation of the Pennsylvania Wiretap Law to do so. That means you can record an officer during a traffic stop, during an interrogation, or while he or she is making an arrest.
You can record people protesting or giving speeches in public.
The Pennsylvania Wiretap Law does make it illegal to record any electronically transmitted conversation. Never record a telephone conversation without the permission of all parties to the conversation.
Judge Rejects Eavesdropping Charges for Recording Police - Hit & Run : Reason.com
Taking photographs and videos of things that are plainly visible from public spaces is your constitutional right. That includes federal buildings, transportation facilities, and police and other government officials carrying out their duties. Unfortunately, law enforcement officers often order people to stop taking photographs or video in public places, and sometimes harass, detain or even arrest people who use their cameras or cell phone recording devices in public.
Your Right to Take Videos and Photographs
When in outdoor public spaces where you are legally present, you have the right to capture any image that is in plain view (see note below about sound recording). That includes pictures and videos of federal buildings, transportation facilities (including airports), and police officers.
When you are on private property, the property owner sets the rules about the taking of photographs or videos. If you disobey property owners' rules, they can order you off their property (and have you arrested for trespassing if you do not comply).
Police should not order you to stop taking pictures or video. Under no circumstances should they demand that you delete your photographs or video.
Police officers may order citizens to cease activities that are truly interfering with legitimate law enforcement operations. In general, a court will trust an officer's judgment about what is "interfering" more than yours. So if an officer orders you to stand back, do so.
If the officer says he/she will arrest you if you continue to use your camera, in most circumstances it is better to put the camera away and call the ACLU for help, rather than risking arrest.
Police officers may not generally confiscate or demand to view your photographs or video without a warrant. If you are arrested, the contents of your phone may be scrutinized by the police, although their constitutional power to do so remains unsettled. In addition, it is possible that courts may approve the seizure of a camera in some circumstances if police have a reasonable, good-faith belief that it contains evidence of a crime by someone other than the police themselves (it is unsettled whether they still need a warrant to view them).
Using a Video Recorder (Including Cell Phones) With Audio Capacity
You have a right to capture images in public places, but you don't always have a right to record what people say. Pennsylvania's Wiretap Law makes it illegal to record private conversations - which can include conversations in public places - without the consent of all parties to the conversation. Conversations with police in the course of their duties are not private conversations, but many other things you may record on a public street are.
You have the right to videotape and audiotape police officers performing official duties in public. It is not a violation of the Pennsylvania Wiretap Law to do so. That means you can record an officer during a traffic stop, during an interrogation, or while he or she is making an arrest.
You can record people protesting or giving speeches in public.
The Pennsylvania Wiretap Law does make it illegal to record any electronically transmitted conversation. Never record a telephone conversation without the permission of all parties to the conversation.
Judge Rejects Eavesdropping Charges for Recording Police - Hit & Run : Reason.com
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I simply cannot believe that any state in this country would criminalize the video taping or filming of police work by citizens. The cell phone or camcorder or video is, quite often, our only defense against police brutality. Without this independent corrobation, it is the word of the cops v. the word of the suspect, as the cops well know.
If any representative of mine voted for such a law, he or she would never receive my vote again in any election.
If any representative of mine voted for such a law, he or she would never receive my vote again in any election.
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Absolute BS.....
Sure sign of government in decline.
No problem if we are the ones in front of the camera
but it is illegal to film a cop doing their job?
The the wanna be dictators say that if you are not doing anything wrong there is no reason to worry about a camera.
Sure sign of government in decline.
No problem if we are the ones in front of the camera
but it is illegal to film a cop doing their job?
The the wanna be dictators say that if you are not doing anything wrong there is no reason to worry about a camera.
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