Ukraine Needs Armor - Will Europe Respond?

[Ringo]

Maybe if your boy Vladimir had not have invaded another nation

How you, dumb fucking hypocrites, have already tired everyone out with this "Invasion of another сountry"....

The only difference is another Nazi:

 

[toomuchtime_]

During WWII the Democrat FDR administration reinstituted slavery AGAIN and got a half a million Americans killed. And it had nothing to do with America's national security. It was a total fucking disaster.

And now the Democratic party is pushing America into another war in Europe. The best predictor of the corrupt Democratic party of slavery's future behavior is their past behavior. In the American civil war, the Democratic party fought for slavery. WWI, the Democratic reinstated slavery. WWII the Democratic party reinstated slavery again. Korean war, the Democratic reinstated slavery again. Vietnam war, the Democratic party reinstated slavery again.

The best predictor of the corrupt Democratic party of slavery's future behavior is their past behavior.

THINK!

As I said, you have rejected everything America has stood for since WWII, placing youself on fringes of American society and culture. If you are happy there, fine, but don't think you speak for any more than a tiny percent of America or for the majority of the Republican Party.

 

[odanny]

How you, dumb fucking hypocrites, have already tired everyone out with this "Invasion of another сountry"....

The only difference is another Nazi:

Sorry dude, that makes no sense. The only "Nazi" in your equation is the guy behind Operation Barbarossa.

 

[Muhammed]

As I said, you have rejected everything America has stood for since WWII

The Democratic Party of Slavery is not America, jackass. It's anti-American. That why you commie/pinko disgusting piece of shit scuzballs are so much against principals like Making America Great Again and America First policies.

You commies hate America and view America as enemy #1 because America proved that your stupid commie/pinko cult is totally wrong about everything.

Fuck off, moron.

 

[martybegan]

It's time to get them whatever equipment they need. This is a clear battle of good versus evil, aggressor versus victim, even though our Russian trolls and Trumpsters will disagree.



Poland and Britain are considering sending main battle tanks to Ukraine, a move that would end the West’s nearly yearlong refusal to deploy some of its most advanced weaponry against Russia and ratchet up pressure on other allies of Kyiv to follow suit.

Warsaw and London have yet to finalize such a move, but doing so would meet a demand Kyiv has been making almost since the start of the war and support potential offensives against Russian forces in the coming months. Poland would require a sign-off from Berlin to send its German-made tanks.

Defense officials in the United States and Europe have long held concerns that giving Ukraine tanks would signal more direct Western involvement in the war and could prompt President Vladimir V. Putin of Russia into escalation.

On Wednesday, the president of Poland said that his country was prepared to send German-made Leopard II tanks to Ukraine if an “international coalition” agreed to do so. No such Western-made battle tanks have been sent to Ukraine since the invasion.

Poland had already decided to include the Leopards as part of a package from the coalition, President Andrzej Duda said, speaking at a joint news conference in Lviv with President Volodymyr Zelensky of Ukraine and President Gitanas Nausėda of Lithuania. Mr. Duda added that he hoped the tanks would “soon flow through various routes to Ukraine.”

Mr. Duda did not specify which countries might be involved in such a coalition. But Polish officials have urged Western nations several times this week to band together and jointly send more modern tanks to bolster Ukraine’s diminishing supply of Soviet-era tanks.

Germany has long resisted sending Ukraine offensive weaponry out of concerns about escalating the war and said it would not be the first NATO ally to send tanks. And, out of ethical concerns, Germany places limits on its vast, lucrative arms exports and their re-export, so its agreement is required for Poland or any other country to send Ukraine the German-made Leopards.

Mr. Zelensky said on Wednesday that Ukraine expected a “joint decision” on the transfer of the tanks and that it would take donations from several countries to meet the needs of Ukrainian forces. “One state cannot help us with Leopards, because we are fighting against thousands of tanks of the Russian Federation,” he said.

The mounting pressure on Berlin comes a day after Britain said it was considering sending Challenger II tanks. No decision has yet been made on whether the Challenger II tanks — reportedly as few as 10 — will be donated to Ukraine.

Ukraine’s foreign minister, Dmytro Kuleba, expressed hope that the floodgates had been opened for the West to send battle tanks after France, the United States and Germany agreed in quick succession last week to send lighter armored fighting vehicles: AMX-10 RC reconnaissance vehicles from France, M2 Bradley Fighting Vehicles from the U.S., and Marder Infantry Fighting Vehicles from Germany.

Germany’s decision to send the Marders marked a significant shift in Berlin’s approach, and the armored vehicles pledged by the three countries are some of the most advanced Ukraine has received since the start of the war. Still, they fall short of the capabilities of battle tanks like the Leopards, which analysts say could be key for Ukraine to push beyond the grinding attrition that has defined the war this winter.

Russia-Ukraine War: Russia Is Sending More Troops to Eastern Ukraine, Kyiv Says (Published 2023)

Moscow is building up troop numbers in the east as a fierce battle for the small town of Soledar continues, a top Ukrainian official said.

www.nytimes.com

Why do I have a feeling you were one of those "No Blood for Oil" kooks back in 1991 and 2003?

 

[odanny]

Why do I have a feeling you were one of those "No Blood for Oil" kooks back in 1991 and 2003?

Because you're an idiot?

 

[martybegan]

Because you're an idiot?

Because I know your type. It's like the girls in the 80's who had Wally Backman Jerseys in their closets all of sudden had Derek Jeter Jerseys in the closet during the 90's.

Anything that can be remotely seen as being "anti-trump" you harp on without even thinking.

Meanwhile the whole Russia-Trump thing has been debunked numerous times.

But you can't give it up because leftists can't admit ever being wrong. Oceania has always been at war with Eastasia.

 

[odanny]

Because I know your type. It's like the girls in the 80's who had Wally Backman Jerseys in their closets all of sudden had Derek Jeter Jerseys in the closet during the 90's.

Anything that can be remotely seen as being "anti-trump" you harp on without even thinking.

Meanwhile the whole Russia-Trump thing has been debunked numerous times.

But you can't give it up because leftists can't admit ever being wrong. Oceania has always been at war with Eastasia.

You sound happy in your own world, and I don't want to rock the boat.

 

[martybegan]

You sound happy in your own world, and I don't want to rock the boat.

And you sound like a paper hawk, that probably was a screaming dove before this.

 

[toomuchtime_]

The Democratic Party of Slavery is not America, jackass. It's anti-American. That why you commie/pinko disgusting piece of shit scuzballs are so much against principals like Making America Great Again and America First policies.

You commies hate America and view America as enemy #1 because America proved that your stupid commie/pinko cult is totally wrong about everything.

Fuck off, moron.

Again, as I said, you have no real place in America.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

It's time to get them whatever equipment they need. This is a clear battle of good versus evil, aggressor versus victim, even though our Russian trolls and Trumpsters will disagree.



Poland and Britain are considering sending main battle tanks to Ukraine, a move that would end the West’s nearly yearlong refusal to deploy some of its most advanced weaponry against Russia and ratchet up pressure on other allies of Kyiv to follow suit.

Warsaw and London have yet to finalize such a move, but doing so would meet a demand Kyiv has been making almost since the start of the war and support potential offensives against Russian forces in the coming months. Poland would require a sign-off from Berlin to send its German-made tanks.

Defense officials in the United States and Europe have long held concerns that giving Ukraine tanks would signal more direct Western involvement in the war and could prompt President Vladimir V. Putin of Russia into escalation.

On Wednesday, the president of Poland said that his country was prepared to send German-made Leopard II tanks to Ukraine if an “international coalition” agreed to do so. No such Western-made battle tanks have been sent to Ukraine since the invasion.

Poland had already decided to include the Leopards as part of a package from the coalition, President Andrzej Duda said, speaking at a joint news conference in Lviv with President Volodymyr Zelensky of Ukraine and President Gitanas Nausėda of Lithuania. Mr. Duda added that he hoped the tanks would “soon flow through various routes to Ukraine.”

Mr. Duda did not specify which countries might be involved in such a coalition. But Polish officials have urged Western nations several times this week to band together and jointly send more modern tanks to bolster Ukraine’s diminishing supply of Soviet-era tanks.

Germany has long resisted sending Ukraine offensive weaponry out of concerns about escalating the war and said it would not be the first NATO ally to send tanks. And, out of ethical concerns, Germany places limits on its vast, lucrative arms exports and their re-export, so its agreement is required for Poland or any other country to send Ukraine the German-made Leopards.

Mr. Zelensky said on Wednesday that Ukraine expected a “joint decision” on the transfer of the tanks and that it would take donations from several countries to meet the needs of Ukrainian forces. “One state cannot help us with Leopards, because we are fighting against thousands of tanks of the Russian Federation,” he said.

The mounting pressure on Berlin comes a day after Britain said it was considering sending Challenger II tanks. No decision has yet been made on whether the Challenger II tanks — reportedly as few as 10 — will be donated to Ukraine.

Ukraine’s foreign minister, Dmytro Kuleba, expressed hope that the floodgates had been opened for the West to send battle tanks after France, the United States and Germany agreed in quick succession last week to send lighter armored fighting vehicles: AMX-10 RC reconnaissance vehicles from France, M2 Bradley Fighting Vehicles from the U.S., and Marder Infantry Fighting Vehicles from Germany.

Germany’s decision to send the Marders marked a significant shift in Berlin’s approach, and the armored vehicles pledged by the three countries are some of the most advanced Ukraine has received since the start of the war. Still, they fall short of the capabilities of battle tanks like the Leopards, which analysts say could be key for Ukraine to push beyond the grinding attrition that has defined the war this winter.

Russia-Ukraine War: Russia Is Sending More Troops to Eastern Ukraine, Kyiv Says (Published 2023)

Moscow is building up troop numbers in the east as a fierce battle for the small town of Soledar continues, a top Ukrainian official said.

www.nytimes.com

NFW!

Make peace you fool!

 

[CrusaderFrank]

Why do I have a feeling you were one of those "No Blood for Oil" kooks back in 1991 and 2003?

He's one of the anti-war Code Pinkies who disn't say a fucking peep during Obama 8 years of Mo' n Betta Wars

 

[Muhammed]

Again, as I said, you have no real place in America.

^
Obvious projection.

 

[alexa]

A German Social Democrat speaks about Germany's approach to sending more tanks and other weapons to Ukraine. He is not keen on it because that is not what is going to end this war for Ukraine, Diplomacy is. He speaks about the need to get together with allies for ideas but also says that Germany's interest is not always identical with Ukraine's. He speaks about all the criticism there has been of their chancellor by some people, in particular believing he is too slow to make decisions and makes clear that their Chancellor is really appreciated for doing that at home. People do not want him to make quick reactive decisions.

Germany is very definitely on Ukraine's side but he does not believe that wars are the solution to problems. He says the last time the US was successful in a war was in WW2 not in Vietnam or any of their wars after. It is a call for Diplomacy and for looking for a way to end this war and bring peace to the area.

 

[Ringo]

 

[odanny]

Germany’s foreign minister said that Berlin would not stop Poland from sending German-made tanks to Ukraine, while Poland’s prime minister vowed to build a coalition of nations willing to donate some of Europe’s most advanced weaponry — whether Germany participates or not.

Pressure has been growing on Germany to authorize the transfer of its Leopard 2 battle tanks to Ukraine, which are stocked by many European countries and which Kyiv sees as crucial to its war effort as fighting is expected to intensify again this spring. Polish officials have been among the loudest voices urging Germany to sign off, which it is legally required to do as the tank’s maker.

“We will build a smaller coalition of countries ready to donate some of their modern equipment, modern tanks,” Mateusz Morawiecki, Poland’s prime minister, told the Polish Press Agency in an interview published on Sunday. “We will not passively watch Ukraine bleed to death.”

Defense officials meeting in Germany said on Friday that they had failed to reach an agreement on the tanks with Berlin, which so far has resisted sending its own Leopards to Ukraine or giving other countries that have them the necessary approval to export them.

On Sunday, Annalena Baerbock, Germany’s foreign minister, signaled that Berlin was open to at least allowing allies to send the tanks to Ukraine. She told the French channel LCI TV that Germany “wouldn’t stand in the way” if Poland decided to send them, though she added that Warsaw had not yet asked for such authorization.

Russia-Ukraine War: Poland Aims to Push Smaller Group of Nations to Send Tanks to Ukraine

Germany said it would not fight Poland’s move to ship the German-made tanks, which Ukraine has said are essential to fighting off a Russian advance.

www.nytimes.com

 

[Ringo]

"Germany will fall into international isolation if it does not agree to supply "Leopard" tanks to Ukraine," - Polish Secretary of State for European Policy Arkadiusz Mularczyk.

Says a beggar country “Poland” that lives on German aid

If there were no degenerates in power in Germany, then I would say thisis time for Germany to say "screw that" and form a formal alliance with Russia.

 

[odanny]

Ukraine and its Western allies hailed Germany’s announcement on Wednesday that it would send Leopard 2 battle tanks to Ukraine after weeks of appeals from Kyiv, the United States and European countries to escalate its military support.

President Volodymyr Zelensky of Ukraine said on Twitter that he had spoken with Germany’s Chancellor, Olaf Scholz, and was “sincerely grateful.” Ukraine’s defense minister, Oleksii Reznikov, tweeted: “Leopards look good on Ukraine!”

Prime Minister Rishi Sunak of Britain, whose government earlier this month said it would send 14 of its Challenger 2 battle tanks to Ukraine, said Germany had made the “right decision” to send the tanks, and allow other countries to send their own Leopards.

“Alongside Challenger 2s, they will strengthen Ukraine’s defensive firepower,” Mr. Sunak said on Twitter.

Jens Stoltenberg, NATO’s secretary general, said he strongly welcomed Germany’s leadership. “At a critical moment in Russia’s war, these can help Ukraine to defend itself, win and prevail as an independent nation,” he tweeted.

Prime Minister Mateusz Morawiecki of Poland said the “decision to send Leopards to Ukraine is a big step” toward deterring Russia’s aggression. Poland had formally asked Germany on Tuesday for permission to transfer its Leopard 2 tanks to Ukraine. “Together we are stronger,” he said on Twitter.

The French presidency said in a statement that it “welcomes the German decision, which extends and amplifies the support we started to provide” this month, referring to France’s decision to deliver AMX-10 RC armored vehicles to Ukraine.

Sergey Yuryevitch Nechayev, Russia’s ambassador to Germany, reacted angrily to Germany’s announcement. He said in a statement that the move was an “extremely dangerous decision” that “takes the conflict to a new level of confrontation.”

The statement accused Berlin of abandoning its “historical responsibility to Russia” arising from Nazi aggression in World War II.

Russia-Ukraine War: Germany Confirms It Will Send Leopard Tanks to Ukraine

Berlin’s announcement comes after weeks of domestic and international pressure. The U.S. is expected to announce soon that it will send its own tanks to Ukraine.

www.nytimes.com

 

[BothWings]

Maybe if your boy Vladimir had not have invaded another nation, one that is democratic (or trying to be, after kicking out the Russian stooge who ran it, who, ironically, is now back in Ukraine and fighting his former protector) this war would not have started to begin with. And Ukraine should not be punished for wanting to join with the West.

They are a FREE COUNTRY now, and Putin can suck a big horse cock.

Don't you fucking get it???
Obama's military intelligence and imposter politicians invaded Ukraine long before the Russians invaded Ukraine again to kick them out. Sucks for Ukraine being caught between, but....if some other country pulled that shit in Canada or Mexico and turned them against us we would be doing the same thing.

If the US would quit trying to stick its fucking corporate dick into that part of the world this wouldn't be happening at all.

 

[odanny]

Obama's military intelligence and imposter politicians invaded Ukraine long before the Russians invaded Ukraine again to kick them out.

That's not true, and I hope your mind is not so conspiracy-inclined that you think a popular coup that toppled a Russian stooge (who is now BACK in Ukraine, fighting against Vladimir Putin) was engineered by the Central Intelligence Agency.

The problem with people pushing conspiracies is they sound plausible enough, but without any background knowledge of events preceding what happened, one is more likely to believe in them when they shouldn't.