U.S. steel won't be used in Keystone Pipeline

[my2¢]

The steel was purchased years ago, in anticipation of the project going forward. It has been stored in a Canadian warehouse for all those years. And the US steel industry at this point can't even meet their specs, at this point in time.
Find something legitimate to gripe about.

Keystone pipeline won't use US steel despite Trump pledge

Not the end of the Earth but the campaign is over and it's time to ease the self-promotion. Too many instances of Trump shooting himself in the foot won't look good.

TransCanada is currently replacing pipeline from India and Thailand that failed because it can not hold up to the pressure.
South Dakota Oil Spill Reveals Major Pipeline Problems

 

[depotoo]

What I have read is they have been replacing fittings because they were not of the proper strength. Much different than saying the pipe is being replaced.

The steel was purchased years ago, in anticipation of the project going forward. It has been stored in a Canadian warehouse for all those years. And the US steel industry at this point can't even meet their specs, at this point in time.
Find something legitimate to gripe about.

Keystone pipeline won't use US steel despite Trump pledge

Not the end of the Earth but the campaign is over and it's time to ease the self-promotion. Too many instances of Trump shooting himself in the foot won't look good.

TransCanada is currently replacing pipeline from India and Thailand that failed because it can not hold up to the pressure.
South Dakota Oil Spill Reveals Major Pipeline Problems

 

[my2¢]

... TransCanada to replace sections of pipeline

There's plenty out there to read.

 

[depotoo]

So they would have ordered the new pipe at that time. At the time of the article, they were already replacing it for higher pressure in May of 2016. Already ordered.

It also mentioned just some needed replaced.

... TransCanada to replace sections of pipeline

 

[OldLady]

Keystone pipeline won't use US steel despite Trump pledge

Not the end of the Earth but the campaign is over and it's time to ease the self-promotion. Too many instances of Trump shooting himself in the foot won't look good.

That's fine. I doubt US Steel could meet the demand at this point in time.

Have to look Northward for quality steel.

I hear it came from Russia. Already bought, paid for and waiting on the sidings. I believe any new, future pipelines are supposed to be made with American steel, though. Do we have any others under consideration?

 

[RealDave]

Corporate America has sold out our natural resources & manufacturing to foreign companies.

This is the Republican way. We can trust corporations to do what is best for America!!!! Yea right,. Each & every one would sell us out for a .00001% increase in profits.

Trump is lying about buying American. He bragged about getting this Chinese businessman to invest in new American jobs. How does that happen? They buy our factories.

We are becoming nothing but labor & then duped to buy their products.

In my industry, 80-90% of the supply end products come from foreign owned companies. 40 years ago, it wad 80-90% US owned & manufactured.

Corporate America is ******* this country.

Republicans love corporations.

When they hand out their privatization contracts, who do you think will get them? Corporate America./ And assholes like Trump & Ryan & McConnell love every bit of it.

You people are dumber than shit.

 

[Andylusion]

There is only 1 US steel company in existence.

What are you talking about?

AK Steel, Carpenter Technology, Commercial Metals Company, and Nucor, Steel Dynamics, and U.S. Steel.

And there are dozens of smaller steel mills.

You are crazy. You crack pots say the darnest things.

No there are only two American owned U.S. steel companies. U.S. Steel and Bethlehem Steel

Ok.... Well. I don't know where you are getting this. Carpenter Technology is a US company, based in the US, HQ is in Reading, Pennsylvania, and is a publicly traded company, and was founded by Americans, and is currently run by Americans, and as near as I can tell, is not a subsidiary of any other company. The same is true of 4 of the other companies I checked.

Which leads me to believe that you are either operating by some standard of what is a US company, that I don't know.... or... ... Honestly I can't figure out how you would make that claim.

Explain to me why Carpenter Technology isn't a US company? Are you assuming that all the stock holders of all the other companies are foreign?

 

[Andylusion]

Corporate America has sold out our natural resources & manufacturing to foreign companies.

This is the Republican way. We can trust corporations to do what is best for America!!!! Yea right,. Each & every one would sell us out for a .00001% increase in profits.

Trump is lying about buying American. He bragged about getting this Chinese businessman to invest in new American jobs. How does that happen? They buy our factories.

We are becoming nothing but labor & then duped to buy their products.

In my industry, 80-90% of the supply end products come from foreign owned companies. 40 years ago, it wad 80-90% US owned & manufactured.

Corporate America is ******* this country.

Republicans love corporations.

When they hand out their privatization contracts, who do you think will get them? Corporate America./ And assholes like Trump & Ryan & McConnell love every bit of it.

You people are dumber than shit.

Of course we love corporations. Everything I own, came from a corporation. If there were no corporations, I wouldn't have anything.

Moreover, all the jobs I have ever had, came from corporations. I've had dozens of jobs. Not one job, that paid money, didn't involve a corporation.

Without corporations, not one of you would have a job, and not one of you would have anything to buy.

That's a fact.

Yes, 50 years ago, most products were made in the US. We got that. Europe was still recovering from two world wars. Asia was still backward 3rd world, even 4th world countries. Eastern Europe was screwed over by Socialism, and couldn't barely build a tire. Latin America was a joke, with people who were terrified of cameras because they thought they stole your soul.

Yeah, the vast majority of parts you used for everything, came from America, not because we had such great policies, or such amazing companies that were somehow inherently dedicated to American made stuff, that they were willing to pay millions for a wheel bearing as long as it was American.

No.... the reason they bought American, is because only America was able to make anything.

Everyone knew... or should have known, that this magic time of America being the sole source for goods in the world, wasn't going to last.

Europe recovered. Socialism failed. Asia became the Asian Tigers. Latin America became a manufacturing hub. Even Cuba today, is slowly crawling it's way out towards having an economy.

And here's the kicker in all this....

It's easy for you to scream and yell, but if you put yourself in the place of the all these corporations, you would do the same.

How do I know? Because I meet people like you all the time, and they all do the same thing.

I'll give you a perfect example. I worked at a job that was 30 minutes outside the city of Columbus, Ohio. I worked for a guy, that often sounds exactly like you. He hated all the outsourced companies, and buy foreign made parts, and constantly screamed and complained about companies moving out of the country.

The first thing I found out, was why was the company located outside the city? His answer was simple... lower taxes (GASP!), and less regulations on the manufacturing (GASP). See, when he was screaming about other companies... well that's terrible that they would open a factory elsewhere because of lower taxes and less regulation. But when it effected his ability to run his company, and make his own paycheck.... well... then moving the company somewhere to avoid taxes and regulations was perfectly fine.

And I know that if you were in that position, you'd make the same choice.

The second thing that shocked me, was we landed a big contract, but then outsourced the products to a Chinese company. I asked why. Turns out a specific customer gave him a direct offer, for a specific product, at a specific price. They spent a month reviewing the production costs, and there was simply no way to do the product profitably. So they had only two options. Give up the customer, and lose a ton of business... or outsource it, and still get revenue.

If they didn't outsource, then they would get nothing.
If they did... at least they'll have some income.

So they did it. See, pretty easy to scream at companies... until it's you, and your income. Then when you are the one faced with earning nothing, or something... suddenly that outsourcing that you demonized, doesn't seem so bad.

You want to bring more manufacturing to the US? Lower taxes... lower regulations... cut the minimum wage. But you don't want to do that. Well... manufacturing isn't going to stay in the US, until you do. That's all there is to it. Obama sure didn't bring manufacturing back increasing taxes and regulations. Trump may or may not cut regulations and taxes.

But it really does not matter who you vote for, until you do those two things.

 

[RealDave]

Corporate America has sold out our natural resources & manufacturing to foreign companies.

This is the Republican way. We can trust corporations to do what is best for America!!!! Yea right,. Each & every one would sell us out for a .00001% increase in profits.

Trump is lying about buying American. He bragged about getting this Chinese businessman to invest in new American jobs. How does that happen? They buy our factories.

We are becoming nothing but labor & then duped to buy their products.

In my industry, 80-90% of the supply end products come from foreign owned companies. 40 years ago, it wad 80-90% US owned & manufactured.

Corporate America is ******* this country.

Republicans love corporations.

When they hand out their privatization contracts, who do you think will get them? Corporate America./ And assholes like Trump & Ryan & McConnell love every bit of it.

You people are dumber than shit.

Of course we love corporations. Everything I own, came from a corporation. If there were no corporations, I wouldn't have anything.

Moreover, all the jobs I have ever had, came from corporations. I've had dozens of jobs. Not one job, that paid money, didn't involve a corporation.

Without corporations, not one of you would have a job, and not one of you would have anything to buy.

That's a fact.

Yes, 50 years ago, most products were made in the US. We got that. Europe was still recovering from two world wars. Asia was still backward 3rd world, even 4th world countries. Eastern Europe was screwed over by Socialism, and couldn't barely build a tire. Latin America was a joke, with people who were terrified of cameras because they thought they stole your soul.

Yeah, the vast majority of parts you used for everything, came from America, not because we had such great policies, or such amazing companies that were somehow inherently dedicated to American made stuff, that they were willing to pay millions for a wheel bearing as long as it was American.

No.... the reason they bought American, is because only America was able to make anything.

Everyone knew... or should have known, that this magic time of America being the sole source for goods in the world, wasn't going to last.

Europe recovered. Socialism failed. Asia became the Asian Tigers. Latin America became a manufacturing hub. Even Cuba today, is slowly crawling it's way out towards having an economy.

And here's the kicker in all this....

It's easy for you to scream and yell, but if you put yourself in the place of the all these corporations, you would do the same.

How do I know? Because I meet people like you all the time, and they all do the same thing.

I'll give you a perfect example. I worked at a job that was 30 minutes outside the city of Columbus, Ohio. I worked for a guy, that often sounds exactly like you. He hated all the outsourced companies, and buy foreign made parts, and constantly screamed and complained about companies moving out of the country.

The first thing I found out, was why was the company located outside the city? His answer was simple... lower taxes (GASP!), and less regulations on the manufacturing (GASP). See, when he was screaming about other companies... well that's terrible that they would open a factory elsewhere because of lower taxes and less regulation. But when it effected his ability to run his company, and make his own paycheck.... well... then moving the company somewhere to avoid taxes and regulations was perfectly fine.

And I know that if you were in that position, you'd make the same choice.

The second thing that shocked me, was we landed a big contract, but then outsourced the products to a Chinese company. I asked why. Turns out a specific customer gave him a direct offer, for a specific product, at a specific price. They spent a month reviewing the production costs, and there was simply no way to do the product profitably. So they had only two options. Give up the customer, and lose a ton of business... or outsource it, and still get revenue.

If they didn't outsource, then they would get nothing.
If they did... at least they'll have some income.

So they did it. See, pretty easy to scream at companies... until it's you, and your income. Then when you are the one faced with earning nothing, or something... suddenly that outsourcing that you demonized, doesn't seem so bad.

You want to bring more manufacturing to the US? Lower taxes... lower regulations... cut the minimum wage. But you don't want to do that. Well... manufacturing isn't going to stay in the US, until you do. That's all there is to it. Obama sure didn't bring manufacturing back increasing taxes and regulations. Trump may or may not cut regulations and taxes.

But it really does not matter who you vote for, until you do those two things.

Corporations are not managed the same way they were 30-40-50 years ago. Then companies hasd a long range plan for profits & product development. People bought stock to ride along & get some dividends & stock growth.

Today, stockholders run these companies. They don't give a rat's ass about a 5,10 20 year plan. All they want is short term profits. Make moves that get then a quick boost in profits even though it means trouble down the road.

I own my own company. I have run manufacturing companies in the past. So please. climb down off that high horse & quit pretending that I don't know.

Corporations can run, not pollute, not **** over their employees and be successful.

You claiming we must pay workers less and pollute more is very Republican. If all else fails, blame the working man. OMG you can't push mining waste into streams & rivers. OMG you an spew greenhouse gas emissions. OMG you might have to pay a living wage.

Meanwhile CEIO"s rake in millions because they saves .005% by outsourcing a part from China.

Your buddy Trump says buy American & I guess you are calling him an idiot. Hey, something we agree on.

Corporations can be good entities. But most larger ones are not.

 

[Andylusion]

Corporate America has sold out our natural resources & manufacturing to foreign companies.

This is the Republican way. We can trust corporations to do what is best for America!!!! Yea right,. Each & every one would sell us out for a .00001% increase in profits.

Trump is lying about buying American. He bragged about getting this Chinese businessman to invest in new American jobs. How does that happen? They buy our factories.

We are becoming nothing but labor & then duped to buy their products.

In my industry, 80-90% of the supply end products come from foreign owned companies. 40 years ago, it wad 80-90% US owned & manufactured.

Corporate America is ******* this country.

Republicans love corporations.

When they hand out their privatization contracts, who do you think will get them? Corporate America./ And assholes like Trump & Ryan & McConnell love every bit of it.

You people are dumber than shit.

Of course we love corporations. Everything I own, came from a corporation. If there were no corporations, I wouldn't have anything.

Moreover, all the jobs I have ever had, came from corporations. I've had dozens of jobs. Not one job, that paid money, didn't involve a corporation.

Without corporations, not one of you would have a job, and not one of you would have anything to buy.

That's a fact.

Yes, 50 years ago, most products were made in the US. We got that. Europe was still recovering from two world wars. Asia was still backward 3rd world, even 4th world countries. Eastern Europe was screwed over by Socialism, and couldn't barely build a tire. Latin America was a joke, with people who were terrified of cameras because they thought they stole your soul.

Yeah, the vast majority of parts you used for everything, came from America, not because we had such great policies, or such amazing companies that were somehow inherently dedicated to American made stuff, that they were willing to pay millions for a wheel bearing as long as it was American.

No.... the reason they bought American, is because only America was able to make anything.

Everyone knew... or should have known, that this magic time of America being the sole source for goods in the world, wasn't going to last.

Europe recovered. Socialism failed. Asia became the Asian Tigers. Latin America became a manufacturing hub. Even Cuba today, is slowly crawling it's way out towards having an economy.

And here's the kicker in all this....

It's easy for you to scream and yell, but if you put yourself in the place of the all these corporations, you would do the same.

How do I know? Because I meet people like you all the time, and they all do the same thing.

I'll give you a perfect example. I worked at a job that was 30 minutes outside the city of Columbus, Ohio. I worked for a guy, that often sounds exactly like you. He hated all the outsourced companies, and buy foreign made parts, and constantly screamed and complained about companies moving out of the country.

The first thing I found out, was why was the company located outside the city? His answer was simple... lower taxes (GASP!), and less regulations on the manufacturing (GASP). See, when he was screaming about other companies... well that's terrible that they would open a factory elsewhere because of lower taxes and less regulation. But when it effected his ability to run his company, and make his own paycheck.... well... then moving the company somewhere to avoid taxes and regulations was perfectly fine.

And I know that if you were in that position, you'd make the same choice.

The second thing that shocked me, was we landed a big contract, but then outsourced the products to a Chinese company. I asked why. Turns out a specific customer gave him a direct offer, for a specific product, at a specific price. They spent a month reviewing the production costs, and there was simply no way to do the product profitably. So they had only two options. Give up the customer, and lose a ton of business... or outsource it, and still get revenue.

If they didn't outsource, then they would get nothing.
If they did... at least they'll have some income.

So they did it. See, pretty easy to scream at companies... until it's you, and your income. Then when you are the one faced with earning nothing, or something... suddenly that outsourcing that you demonized, doesn't seem so bad.

You want to bring more manufacturing to the US? Lower taxes... lower regulations... cut the minimum wage. But you don't want to do that. Well... manufacturing isn't going to stay in the US, until you do. That's all there is to it. Obama sure didn't bring manufacturing back increasing taxes and regulations. Trump may or may not cut regulations and taxes.

But it really does not matter who you vote for, until you do those two things.

Corporations are not managed the same way they were 30-40-50 years ago. Then companies hasd a long range plan for profits & product development. People bought stock to ride along & get some dividends & stock growth.

Today, stockholders run these companies. They don't give a rat's ass about a 5,10 20 year plan. All they want is short term profits. Make moves that get then a quick boost in profits even though it means trouble down the road.

I own my own company. I have run manufacturing companies in the past. So please. climb down off that high horse & quit pretending that I don't know.

Corporations can run, not pollute, not **** over their employees and be successful.

You claiming we must pay workers less and pollute more is very Republican. If all else fails, blame the working man. OMG you can't push mining waste into streams & rivers. OMG you an spew greenhouse gas emissions. OMG you might have to pay a living wage.

Meanwhile CEIO"s rake in millions because they saves .005% by outsourcing a part from China.

Your buddy Trump says buy American & I guess you are calling him an idiot. Hey, something we agree on.

Corporations can be good entities. But most larger ones are not.

First I never suggested that 'must pollute'. That implies that all regulations are all about pollution. They are not. And even then, you are suggesting that all companies would pollute.

Apply that logic tor yourself. You say that you run a company. If the regulations tomorrow would be eliminated.... would you start polluting everything? Why do you hate everyone so much, that you assume they would pollute everything, when you yourself wouldn't? Everyone on the planet is evil but you?

I see no evidence that companies somehow treat people like crap, because of shareholders. At most, I see left-wingers blaming stockholders for it.

Besides that, who are the stockholders? 401Ks? Pension? Governments? We.... we the public... are the shareholders. I own stock in dozens of companies. I'm a shareholder. Unions are shareholders. IRAs, retirement accounts, and annuities, are stockholders.

OMG you might have to pay a living wage

There is no such thing as a living wage. I had a year that I earned $12,000 for the whole year. I lived. $12,000 is a living wage.

On top of that.... again, the bottom line is, if I can't make a profit off of having you working for me, then I'm not going to employ you. You claim to run a company, then you should know that.

If the customer is only willing to pay me $20 to mow his lawn, I can't pay you $25 to mow that lawn. Just because you demand that $25 a mow is a 'living wage' doesn't matter to me. I can't pay you, more money than the customer pays me.

I can't even pay you the same amount of money that the customer pays me. If they pay me $20, and I pay you $20, then how do I pay for the taxes? How do I pay for the gasoline? How do I pay the insurance? How do I pay to replace the lawn mowers when they break?

I can't even pay you $15 when the customer pays me $20, because on top of that, I have to pay ObamaCare, and all the penalties on that, and then I have to take money from your check to cover your sick days where I have to pay someone else to do your job, and your vacation days, so I can pay you, and your replacement, while you are on vacation.

And lastly, I have to make a profit off you, because if I don't, then I would be better off to have never hired you to begin with.

So your wage is $8 a mow. Not that $20 I'm paid.

This is called economics, and you can type "OMG" all you want, and scream about how employers should pay a 'living wage', and all that crap you want.... the fact remains, if the cost of employing someone is too high... then you are not going to be employed. You can go get a job a McWhoopers.

Greece tried this BS. They had a minimum wage, that was indexed to inflation. Every single year, the minimum wage went up, and the result was, unemployment went up. It wasn't until 2012, when Greece cut the minimum wage, and then *shockingly*.... SHOCKINGLY!.... Unemployment went down.

You want to do that here? By all means. Destroy the entire US economy. Knock yourself out. But don't come crying on this forum when unemployment skyrockets, and you can't understand why. You were told right here, right now.

McDonald's former CEO warned of the impacts of your idiocy.
Thanks To 'Fight For $15' Minimum Wage, McDonald's Unveils Job-Replacing Self-Service Kiosks Nationwide

Let’s start with automation. In 2013, when the Fight for $15 was still in its growth stage, I and others warned that union demands for a much higher minimum wage would force businesses with small profit margins to replace full-service employees with costly investments in self-service alternatives. At the time, labor groups accused business owners of crying wolf. It turns out the wolf was real.

Earlier this month, McDonald’s announced the nationwide roll-out of touchscreen self-service kiosks.​

Sorry, you can't pay a McWorker, serving up $6 burgers, $15/hour. The customer is not going to pay the kind of prices for a cheap burger, to pay wages that high.

But you have Fight for $15, and look what is happening? Laid off workers, replaced with kiosks.

And as with all left-wing ideology this makes McDonald's wealthy, and kills off competition. Smaller chain stores don't have the billions of dollars to put in place a kiosk system. So they end up being forced out of the market, leaving McDonald's to pick up more customers.

Consumers lose. Small business lose. Employees lose. McDonald's and corporate Execs win.

Thank you left-wingers. Your regulations saved the day. Good job. Well done. Screw over everyone, including yourselves, and claim victory for left-wing ideology. Brilliant work you brainless morons.

 

[RealDave]

Corporate America has sold out our natural resources & manufacturing to foreign companies.

This is the Republican way. We can trust corporations to do what is best for America!!!! Yea right,. Each & every one would sell us out for a .00001% increase in profits.

Trump is lying about buying American. He bragged about getting this Chinese businessman to invest in new American jobs. How does that happen? They buy our factories.

We are becoming nothing but labor & then duped to buy their products.

In my industry, 80-90% of the supply end products come from foreign owned companies. 40 years ago, it wad 80-90% US owned & manufactured.

Corporate America is ******* this country.

Republicans love corporations.

When they hand out their privatization contracts, who do you think will get them? Corporate America./ And assholes like Trump & Ryan & McConnell love every bit of it.

You people are dumber than shit.

Of course we love corporations. Everything I own, came from a corporation. If there were no corporations, I wouldn't have anything.

Moreover, all the jobs I have ever had, came from corporations. I've had dozens of jobs. Not one job, that paid money, didn't involve a corporation.

Without corporations, not one of you would have a job, and not one of you would have anything to buy.

That's a fact.

Yes, 50 years ago, most products were made in the US. We got that. Europe was still recovering from two world wars. Asia was still backward 3rd world, even 4th world countries. Eastern Europe was screwed over by Socialism, and couldn't barely build a tire. Latin America was a joke, with people who were terrified of cameras because they thought they stole your soul.

Yeah, the vast majority of parts you used for everything, came from America, not because we had such great policies, or such amazing companies that were somehow inherently dedicated to American made stuff, that they were willing to pay millions for a wheel bearing as long as it was American.

No.... the reason they bought American, is because only America was able to make anything.

Everyone knew... or should have known, that this magic time of America being the sole source for goods in the world, wasn't going to last.

Europe recovered. Socialism failed. Asia became the Asian Tigers. Latin America became a manufacturing hub. Even Cuba today, is slowly crawling it's way out towards having an economy.

And here's the kicker in all this....

It's easy for you to scream and yell, but if you put yourself in the place of the all these corporations, you would do the same.

How do I know? Because I meet people like you all the time, and they all do the same thing.

I'll give you a perfect example. I worked at a job that was 30 minutes outside the city of Columbus, Ohio. I worked for a guy, that often sounds exactly like you. He hated all the outsourced companies, and buy foreign made parts, and constantly screamed and complained about companies moving out of the country.

The first thing I found out, was why was the company located outside the city? His answer was simple... lower taxes (GASP!), and less regulations on the manufacturing (GASP). See, when he was screaming about other companies... well that's terrible that they would open a factory elsewhere because of lower taxes and less regulation. But when it effected his ability to run his company, and make his own paycheck.... well... then moving the company somewhere to avoid taxes and regulations was perfectly fine.

And I know that if you were in that position, you'd make the same choice.

The second thing that shocked me, was we landed a big contract, but then outsourced the products to a Chinese company. I asked why. Turns out a specific customer gave him a direct offer, for a specific product, at a specific price. They spent a month reviewing the production costs, and there was simply no way to do the product profitably. So they had only two options. Give up the customer, and lose a ton of business... or outsource it, and still get revenue.

If they didn't outsource, then they would get nothing.
If they did... at least they'll have some income.

So they did it. See, pretty easy to scream at companies... until it's you, and your income. Then when you are the one faced with earning nothing, or something... suddenly that outsourcing that you demonized, doesn't seem so bad.

You want to bring more manufacturing to the US? Lower taxes... lower regulations... cut the minimum wage. But you don't want to do that. Well... manufacturing isn't going to stay in the US, until you do. That's all there is to it. Obama sure didn't bring manufacturing back increasing taxes and regulations. Trump may or may not cut regulations and taxes.

But it really does not matter who you vote for, until you do those two things.

Corporations are not managed the same way they were 30-40-50 years ago. Then companies hasd a long range plan for profits & product development. People bought stock to ride along & get some dividends & stock growth.

Today, stockholders run these companies. They don't give a rat's ass about a 5,10 20 year plan. All they want is short term profits. Make moves that get then a quick boost in profits even though it means trouble down the road.

I own my own company. I have run manufacturing companies in the past. So please. climb down off that high horse & quit pretending that I don't know.

Corporations can run, not pollute, not **** over their employees and be successful.

You claiming we must pay workers less and pollute more is very Republican. If all else fails, blame the working man. OMG you can't push mining waste into streams & rivers. OMG you an spew greenhouse gas emissions. OMG you might have to pay a living wage.

Meanwhile CEIO"s rake in millions because they saves .005% by outsourcing a part from China.

Your buddy Trump says buy American & I guess you are calling him an idiot. Hey, something we agree on.

Corporations can be good entities. But most larger ones are not.

First I never suggested that 'must pollute'. That implies that all regulations are all about pollution. They are not. And even then, you are suggesting that all companies would pollute.

Apply that logic tor yourself. You say that you run a company. If the regulations tomorrow would be eliminated.... would you start polluting everything? Why do you hate everyone so much, that you assume they would pollute everything, when you yourself wouldn't? Everyone on the planet is evil but you?

I see no evidence that companies somehow treat people like crap, because of shareholders. At most, I see left-wingers blaming stockholders for it.

Besides that, who are the stockholders? 401Ks? Pension? Governments? We.... we the public... are the shareholders. I own stock in dozens of companies. I'm a shareholder. Unions are shareholders. IRAs, retirement accounts, and annuities, are stockholders.

OMG you might have to pay a living wage

There is no such thing as a living wage. I had a year that I earned $12,000 for the whole year. I lived. $12,000 is a living wage.

On top of that.... again, the bottom line is, if I can't make a profit off of having you working for me, then I'm not going to employ you. You claim to run a company, then you should know that.

If the customer is only willing to pay me $20 to mow his lawn, I can't pay you $25 to mow that lawn. Just because you demand that $25 a mow is a 'living wage' doesn't matter to me. I can't pay you, more money than the customer pays me.

I can't even pay you the same amount of money that the customer pays me. If they pay me $20, and I pay you $20, then how do I pay for the taxes? How do I pay for the gasoline? How do I pay the insurance? How do I pay to replace the lawn mowers when they break?

I can't even pay you $15 when the customer pays me $20, because on top of that, I have to pay ObamaCare, and all the penalties on that, and then I have to take money from your check to cover your sick days where I have to pay someone else to do your job, and your vacation days, so I can pay you, and your replacement, while you are on vacation.

And lastly, I have to make a profit off you, because if I don't, then I would be better off to have never hired you to begin with.

So your wage is $8 a mow. Not that $20 I'm paid.

This is called economics, and you can type "OMG" all you want, and scream about how employers should pay a 'living wage', and all that crap you want.... the fact remains, if the cost of employing someone is too high... then you are not going to be employed. You can go get a job a McWhoopers.

Greece tried this BS. They had a minimum wage, that was indexed to inflation. Every single year, the minimum wage went up, and the result was, unemployment went up. It wasn't until 2012, when Greece cut the minimum wage, and then *shockingly*.... SHOCKINGLY!.... Unemployment went down.

You want to do that here? By all means. Destroy the entire US economy. Knock yourself out. But don't come crying on this forum when unemployment skyrockets, and you can't understand why. You were told right here, right now.

McDonald's former CEO warned of the impacts of your idiocy.
Thanks To 'Fight For $15' Minimum Wage, McDonald's Unveils Job-Replacing Self-Service Kiosks Nationwide

Let’s start with automation. In 2013, when the Fight for $15 was still in its growth stage, I and others warned that union demands for a much higher minimum wage would force businesses with small profit margins to replace full-service employees with costly investments in self-service alternatives. At the time, labor groups accused business owners of crying wolf. It turns out the wolf was real.

Earlier this month, McDonald’s announced the nationwide roll-out of touchscreen self-service kiosks.​

Sorry, you can't pay a McWorker, serving up $6 burgers, $15/hour. The customer is not going to pay the kind of prices for a cheap burger, to pay wages that high.

But you have Fight for $15, and look what is happening? Laid off workers, replaced with kiosks.

And as with all left-wing ideology this makes McDonald's wealthy, and kills off competition. Smaller chain stores don't have the billions of dollars to put in place a kiosk system. So they end up being forced out of the market, leaving McDonald's to pick up more customers.

Consumers lose. Small business lose. Employees lose. McDonald's and corporate Execs win.

Thank you left-wingers. Your regulations saved the day. Good job. Well done. Screw over everyone, including yourselves, and claim victory for left-wing ideology. Brilliant work you brainless morons.

 

[RealDave]

Corporate America has sold out our natural resources & manufacturing to foreign companies.

This is the Republican way. We can trust corporations to do what is best for America!!!! Yea right,. Each & every one would sell us out for a .00001% increase in profits.

Trump is lying about buying American. He bragged about getting this Chinese businessman to invest in new American jobs. How does that happen? They buy our factories.

We are becoming nothing but labor & then duped to buy their products.

In my industry, 80-90% of the supply end products come from foreign owned companies. 40 years ago, it wad 80-90% US owned & manufactured.

Corporate America is ******* this country.

Republicans love corporations.

When they hand out their privatization contracts, who do you think will get them? Corporate America./ And assholes like Trump & Ryan & McConnell love every bit of it.

You people are dumber than shit.

Of course we love corporations. Everything I own, came from a corporation. If there were no corporations, I wouldn't have anything.

Moreover, all the jobs I have ever had, came from corporations. I've had dozens of jobs. Not one job, that paid money, didn't involve a corporation.

Without corporations, not one of you would have a job, and not one of you would have anything to buy.

That's a fact.

Yes, 50 years ago, most products were made in the US. We got that. Europe was still recovering from two world wars. Asia was still backward 3rd world, even 4th world countries. Eastern Europe was screwed over by Socialism, and couldn't barely build a tire. Latin America was a joke, with people who were terrified of cameras because they thought they stole your soul.

Yeah, the vast majority of parts you used for everything, came from America, not because we had such great policies, or such amazing companies that were somehow inherently dedicated to American made stuff, that they were willing to pay millions for a wheel bearing as long as it was American.

No.... the reason they bought American, is because only America was able to make anything.

Everyone knew... or should have known, that this magic time of America being the sole source for goods in the world, wasn't going to last.

Europe recovered. Socialism failed. Asia became the Asian Tigers. Latin America became a manufacturing hub. Even Cuba today, is slowly crawling it's way out towards having an economy.

And here's the kicker in all this....

It's easy for you to scream and yell, but if you put yourself in the place of the all these corporations, you would do the same.

How do I know? Because I meet people like you all the time, and they all do the same thing.

I'll give you a perfect example. I worked at a job that was 30 minutes outside the city of Columbus, Ohio. I worked for a guy, that often sounds exactly like you. He hated all the outsourced companies, and buy foreign made parts, and constantly screamed and complained about companies moving out of the country.

The first thing I found out, was why was the company located outside the city? His answer was simple... lower taxes (GASP!), and less regulations on the manufacturing (GASP). See, when he was screaming about other companies... well that's terrible that they would open a factory elsewhere because of lower taxes and less regulation. But when it effected his ability to run his company, and make his own paycheck.... well... then moving the company somewhere to avoid taxes and regulations was perfectly fine.

And I know that if you were in that position, you'd make the same choice.

The second thing that shocked me, was we landed a big contract, but then outsourced the products to a Chinese company. I asked why. Turns out a specific customer gave him a direct offer, for a specific product, at a specific price. They spent a month reviewing the production costs, and there was simply no way to do the product profitably. So they had only two options. Give up the customer, and lose a ton of business... or outsource it, and still get revenue.

If they didn't outsource, then they would get nothing.
If they did... at least they'll have some income.

So they did it. See, pretty easy to scream at companies... until it's you, and your income. Then when you are the one faced with earning nothing, or something... suddenly that outsourcing that you demonized, doesn't seem so bad.

You want to bring more manufacturing to the US? Lower taxes... lower regulations... cut the minimum wage. But you don't want to do that. Well... manufacturing isn't going to stay in the US, until you do. That's all there is to it. Obama sure didn't bring manufacturing back increasing taxes and regulations. Trump may or may not cut regulations and taxes.

But it really does not matter who you vote for, until you do those two things.

Corporations are not managed the same way they were 30-40-50 years ago. Then companies hasd a long range plan for profits & product development. People bought stock to ride along & get some dividends & stock growth.

Today, stockholders run these companies. They don't give a rat's ass about a 5,10 20 year plan. All they want is short term profits. Make moves that get then a quick boost in profits even though it means trouble down the road.

I own my own company. I have run manufacturing companies in the past. So please. climb down off that high horse & quit pretending that I don't know.

Corporations can run, not pollute, not **** over their employees and be successful.

You claiming we must pay workers less and pollute more is very Republican. If all else fails, blame the working man. OMG you can't push mining waste into streams & rivers. OMG you an spew greenhouse gas emissions. OMG you might have to pay a living wage.

Meanwhile CEIO"s rake in millions because they saves .005% by outsourcing a part from China.

Your buddy Trump says buy American & I guess you are calling him an idiot. Hey, something we agree on.

Corporations can be good entities. But most larger ones are not.

First I never suggested that 'must pollute'. That implies that all regulations are all about pollution. They are not. And even then, you are suggesting that all companies would pollute.

Apply that logic tor yourself. You say that you run a company. If the regulations tomorrow would be eliminated.... would you start polluting everything? Why do you hate everyone so much, that you assume they would pollute everything, when you yourself wouldn't? Everyone on the planet is evil but you?

I see no evidence that companies somehow treat people like crap, because of shareholders. At most, I see left-wingers blaming stockholders for it.

Besides that, who are the stockholders? 401Ks? Pension? Governments? We.... we the public... are the shareholders. I own stock in dozens of companies. I'm a shareholder. Unions are shareholders. IRAs, retirement accounts, and annuities, are stockholders.

OMG you might have to pay a living wage

There is no such thing as a living wage. I had a year that I earned $12,000 for the whole year. I lived. $12,000 is a living wage.

On top of that.... again, the bottom line is, if I can't make a profit off of having you working for me, then I'm not going to employ you. You claim to run a company, then you should know that.

If the customer is only willing to pay me $20 to mow his lawn, I can't pay you $25 to mow that lawn. Just because you demand that $25 a mow is a 'living wage' doesn't matter to me. I can't pay you, more money than the customer pays me.

I can't even pay you the same amount of money that the customer pays me. If they pay me $20, and I pay you $20, then how do I pay for the taxes? How do I pay for the gasoline? How do I pay the insurance? How do I pay to replace the lawn mowers when they break?

I can't even pay you $15 when the customer pays me $20, because on top of that, I have to pay ObamaCare, and all the penalties on that, and then I have to take money from your check to cover your sick days where I have to pay someone else to do your job, and your vacation days, so I can pay you, and your replacement, while you are on vacation.

And lastly, I have to make a profit off you, because if I don't, then I would be better off to have never hired you to begin with.

So your wage is $8 a mow. Not that $20 I'm paid.

This is called economics, and you can type "OMG" all you want, and scream about how employers should pay a 'living wage', and all that crap you want.... the fact remains, if the cost of employing someone is too high... then you are not going to be employed. You can go get a job a McWhoopers.

Greece tried this BS. They had a minimum wage, that was indexed to inflation. Every single year, the minimum wage went up, and the result was, unemployment went up. It wasn't until 2012, when Greece cut the minimum wage, and then *shockingly*.... SHOCKINGLY!.... Unemployment went down.

You want to do that here? By all means. Destroy the entire US economy. Knock yourself out. But don't come crying on this forum when unemployment skyrockets, and you can't understand why. You were told right here, right now.

McDonald's former CEO warned of the impacts of your idiocy.
Thanks To 'Fight For $15' Minimum Wage, McDonald's Unveils Job-Replacing Self-Service Kiosks Nationwide

Let’s start with automation. In 2013, when the Fight for $15 was still in its growth stage, I and others warned that union demands for a much higher minimum wage would force businesses with small profit margins to replace full-service employees with costly investments in self-service alternatives. At the time, labor groups accused business owners of crying wolf. It turns out the wolf was real.

Earlier this month, McDonald’s announced the nationwide roll-out of touchscreen self-service kiosks.​

Sorry, you can't pay a McWorker, serving up $6 burgers, $15/hour. The customer is not going to pay the kind of prices for a cheap burger, to pay wages that high.

But you have Fight for $15, and look what is happening? Laid off workers, replaced with kiosks.

And as with all left-wing ideology this makes McDonald's wealthy, and kills off competition. Smaller chain stores don't have the billions of dollars to put in place a kiosk system. So they end up being forced out of the market, leaving McDonald's to pick up more customers.

Consumers lose. Small business lose. Employees lose. McDonald's and corporate Execs win.

Thank you left-wingers. Your regulations saved the day. Good job. Well done. Screw over everyone, including yourselves, and claim victory for left-wing ideology. Brilliant work you brainless morons.

Oh please. Republicans are going to back off EPA regulations - you know it & quit being an asshole about it. They already started by allow cpal companies to pollute our streams.

They will back off CO2 emissions. They will back off clean air regulations. They already backed off water regulations & will permit the pollution of small streams.

CEOs move jobs overf seas, they close fascorires, thehy force out unions, they cry about the minimum wazge. My God. Arguing qwith you is like with a 56 year old.

Your earlier post was crying about worker wages.

" Of if we could only pay less... if we could only take away their health insurance benefits. (don't deny you just said that).

We were talking about manufacturing when I spoke about a living wage. Not McDonalds. Grow the **** up & learn how to debate.

If you & I were in the same business side by side, I would pay more with better benefits & beat the crap out you in production. Something you Trumpettes don't understand.

 

[Andylusion]

Corporate America has sold out our natural resources & manufacturing to foreign companies.

This is the Republican way. We can trust corporations to do what is best for America!!!! Yea right,. Each & every one would sell us out for a .00001% increase in profits.

Trump is lying about buying American. He bragged about getting this Chinese businessman to invest in new American jobs. How does that happen? They buy our factories.

We are becoming nothing but labor & then duped to buy their products.

In my industry, 80-90% of the supply end products come from foreign owned companies. 40 years ago, it wad 80-90% US owned & manufactured.

Corporate America is ******* this country.

Republicans love corporations.

When they hand out their privatization contracts, who do you think will get them? Corporate America./ And assholes like Trump & Ryan & McConnell love every bit of it.

You people are dumber than shit.

Of course we love corporations. Everything I own, came from a corporation. If there were no corporations, I wouldn't have anything.

Moreover, all the jobs I have ever had, came from corporations. I've had dozens of jobs. Not one job, that paid money, didn't involve a corporation.

Without corporations, not one of you would have a job, and not one of you would have anything to buy.

That's a fact.

Yes, 50 years ago, most products were made in the US. We got that. Europe was still recovering from two world wars. Asia was still backward 3rd world, even 4th world countries. Eastern Europe was screwed over by Socialism, and couldn't barely build a tire. Latin America was a joke, with people who were terrified of cameras because they thought they stole your soul.

Yeah, the vast majority of parts you used for everything, came from America, not because we had such great policies, or such amazing companies that were somehow inherently dedicated to American made stuff, that they were willing to pay millions for a wheel bearing as long as it was American.

No.... the reason they bought American, is because only America was able to make anything.

Everyone knew... or should have known, that this magic time of America being the sole source for goods in the world, wasn't going to last.

Europe recovered. Socialism failed. Asia became the Asian Tigers. Latin America became a manufacturing hub. Even Cuba today, is slowly crawling it's way out towards having an economy.

And here's the kicker in all this....

It's easy for you to scream and yell, but if you put yourself in the place of the all these corporations, you would do the same.

How do I know? Because I meet people like you all the time, and they all do the same thing.

I'll give you a perfect example. I worked at a job that was 30 minutes outside the city of Columbus, Ohio. I worked for a guy, that often sounds exactly like you. He hated all the outsourced companies, and buy foreign made parts, and constantly screamed and complained about companies moving out of the country.

The first thing I found out, was why was the company located outside the city? His answer was simple... lower taxes (GASP!), and less regulations on the manufacturing (GASP). See, when he was screaming about other companies... well that's terrible that they would open a factory elsewhere because of lower taxes and less regulation. But when it effected his ability to run his company, and make his own paycheck.... well... then moving the company somewhere to avoid taxes and regulations was perfectly fine.

And I know that if you were in that position, you'd make the same choice.

The second thing that shocked me, was we landed a big contract, but then outsourced the products to a Chinese company. I asked why. Turns out a specific customer gave him a direct offer, for a specific product, at a specific price. They spent a month reviewing the production costs, and there was simply no way to do the product profitably. So they had only two options. Give up the customer, and lose a ton of business... or outsource it, and still get revenue.

If they didn't outsource, then they would get nothing.
If they did... at least they'll have some income.

So they did it. See, pretty easy to scream at companies... until it's you, and your income. Then when you are the one faced with earning nothing, or something... suddenly that outsourcing that you demonized, doesn't seem so bad.

You want to bring more manufacturing to the US? Lower taxes... lower regulations... cut the minimum wage. But you don't want to do that. Well... manufacturing isn't going to stay in the US, until you do. That's all there is to it. Obama sure didn't bring manufacturing back increasing taxes and regulations. Trump may or may not cut regulations and taxes.

But it really does not matter who you vote for, until you do those two things.

Corporations are not managed the same way they were 30-40-50 years ago. Then companies hasd a long range plan for profits & product development. People bought stock to ride along & get some dividends & stock growth.

Today, stockholders run these companies. They don't give a rat's ass about a 5,10 20 year plan. All they want is short term profits. Make moves that get then a quick boost in profits even though it means trouble down the road.

I own my own company. I have run manufacturing companies in the past. So please. climb down off that high horse & quit pretending that I don't know.

Corporations can run, not pollute, not **** over their employees and be successful.

You claiming we must pay workers less and pollute more is very Republican. If all else fails, blame the working man. OMG you can't push mining waste into streams & rivers. OMG you an spew greenhouse gas emissions. OMG you might have to pay a living wage.

Meanwhile CEIO"s rake in millions because they saves .005% by outsourcing a part from China.

Your buddy Trump says buy American & I guess you are calling him an idiot. Hey, something we agree on.

Corporations can be good entities. But most larger ones are not.

First I never suggested that 'must pollute'. That implies that all regulations are all about pollution. They are not. And even then, you are suggesting that all companies would pollute.

Apply that logic tor yourself. You say that you run a company. If the regulations tomorrow would be eliminated.... would you start polluting everything? Why do you hate everyone so much, that you assume they would pollute everything, when you yourself wouldn't? Everyone on the planet is evil but you?

I see no evidence that companies somehow treat people like crap, because of shareholders. At most, I see left-wingers blaming stockholders for it.

Besides that, who are the stockholders? 401Ks? Pension? Governments? We.... we the public... are the shareholders. I own stock in dozens of companies. I'm a shareholder. Unions are shareholders. IRAs, retirement accounts, and annuities, are stockholders.

OMG you might have to pay a living wage

There is no such thing as a living wage. I had a year that I earned $12,000 for the whole year. I lived. $12,000 is a living wage.

On top of that.... again, the bottom line is, if I can't make a profit off of having you working for me, then I'm not going to employ you. You claim to run a company, then you should know that.

If the customer is only willing to pay me $20 to mow his lawn, I can't pay you $25 to mow that lawn. Just because you demand that $25 a mow is a 'living wage' doesn't matter to me. I can't pay you, more money than the customer pays me.

I can't even pay you the same amount of money that the customer pays me. If they pay me $20, and I pay you $20, then how do I pay for the taxes? How do I pay for the gasoline? How do I pay the insurance? How do I pay to replace the lawn mowers when they break?

I can't even pay you $15 when the customer pays me $20, because on top of that, I have to pay ObamaCare, and all the penalties on that, and then I have to take money from your check to cover your sick days where I have to pay someone else to do your job, and your vacation days, so I can pay you, and your replacement, while you are on vacation.

And lastly, I have to make a profit off you, because if I don't, then I would be better off to have never hired you to begin with.

So your wage is $8 a mow. Not that $20 I'm paid.

This is called economics, and you can type "OMG" all you want, and scream about how employers should pay a 'living wage', and all that crap you want.... the fact remains, if the cost of employing someone is too high... then you are not going to be employed. You can go get a job a McWhoopers.

Greece tried this BS. They had a minimum wage, that was indexed to inflation. Every single year, the minimum wage went up, and the result was, unemployment went up. It wasn't until 2012, when Greece cut the minimum wage, and then *shockingly*.... SHOCKINGLY!.... Unemployment went down.

You want to do that here? By all means. Destroy the entire US economy. Knock yourself out. But don't come crying on this forum when unemployment skyrockets, and you can't understand why. You were told right here, right now.

McDonald's former CEO warned of the impacts of your idiocy.
Thanks To 'Fight For $15' Minimum Wage, McDonald's Unveils Job-Replacing Self-Service Kiosks Nationwide

Let’s start with automation. In 2013, when the Fight for $15 was still in its growth stage, I and others warned that union demands for a much higher minimum wage would force businesses with small profit margins to replace full-service employees with costly investments in self-service alternatives. At the time, labor groups accused business owners of crying wolf. It turns out the wolf was real.

Earlier this month, McDonald’s announced the nationwide roll-out of touchscreen self-service kiosks.​

Sorry, you can't pay a McWorker, serving up $6 burgers, $15/hour. The customer is not going to pay the kind of prices for a cheap burger, to pay wages that high.

But you have Fight for $15, and look what is happening? Laid off workers, replaced with kiosks.

And as with all left-wing ideology this makes McDonald's wealthy, and kills off competition. Smaller chain stores don't have the billions of dollars to put in place a kiosk system. So they end up being forced out of the market, leaving McDonald's to pick up more customers.

Consumers lose. Small business lose. Employees lose. McDonald's and corporate Execs win.

Thank you left-wingers. Your regulations saved the day. Good job. Well done. Screw over everyone, including yourselves, and claim victory for left-wing ideology. Brilliant work you brainless morons.

Oh please. Republicans are going to back off EPA regulations - you know it & quit being an asshole about it. They already started by allow cpal companies to pollute our streams.

They will back off CO2 emissions. They will back off clean air regulations. They already backed off water regulations & will permit the pollution of small streams.

CEOs move jobs overf seas, they close fascorires, thehy force out unions, they cry about the minimum wazge. My God. Arguing qwith you is like with a 56 year old.

Your earlier post was crying about worker wages.

" Of if we could only pay less... if we could only take away their health insurance benefits. (don't deny you just said that).

We were talking about manufacturing when I spoke about a living wage. Not McDonalds. Grow the **** up & learn how to debate.

If you & I were in the same business side by side, I would pay more with better benefits & beat the crap out you in production. Something you Trumpettes don't understand.

By all means prove it. How many people have died because of cpal companies. I want specific numbers, with listed names of the dead. I'll be waiting.

Yes, they move jobs over seas, and they close factories. They don't force out unions. That's not possible. They simply quit hiring people. That's your fault not mine.

The whole point here is, we've been doing it your way, and we've gotten the results I said. How is that my fault? Your plan, your problems, your fault.

I did not "cry" about workers wages. I simply said that if you want more manufacturing jobs, then you need to lower the minimum wage. No, I don't deny I told the truth. You don't like the truth. That doesn't mean I'm crying about it. By all means jack up the minimum wage, and drive out more and more jobs.

You people are the ones crying about outsourcing. I didn't start this thread, nor did I bring up the topic of outsource or moving jobs out of the country. YOU DID. Don't blame me for topics you bring up. That's 5-year-old level crying.

Moreover, I didn't say cut health care. I simply pointed out that health care costs lower wages and cut jobs. I pointed out the truth. I'm not denying that I pointed out the truth. You don't like the truth, but that doesn't make me the one crying about it. I'm simply telling the truth.

Right now at my company, they are now hiring temps. The temps come in a given temp wage. Now, if they hire you on full time, you take a pay cut. The reason why is really open and honest. As a temp they don't have to pay ObamaCare taxes and health insurance. As a full time employee, they do. So if you get hired on as a full time employee, you take a pay cut.

That is YOUR system. I'm just telling you the truth about YOUR system. Not mine. I didn't come up with this. You support people being paid less, by all means keep jack up health care regulations and taxes. But don't come whining to me about it. I'm just telling you the truth. Not my fault if you are not mature enough to handle it.

 

[RealDave]

Of course we love corporations. Everything I own, came from a corporation. If there were no corporations, I wouldn't have anything.

Moreover, all the jobs I have ever had, came from corporations. I've had dozens of jobs. Not one job, that paid money, didn't involve a corporation.

Without corporations, not one of you would have a job, and not one of you would have anything to buy.

That's a fact.

Yes, 50 years ago, most products were made in the US. We got that. Europe was still recovering from two world wars. Asia was still backward 3rd world, even 4th world countries. Eastern Europe was screwed over by Socialism, and couldn't barely build a tire. Latin America was a joke, with people who were terrified of cameras because they thought they stole your soul.

Yeah, the vast majority of parts you used for everything, came from America, not because we had such great policies, or such amazing companies that were somehow inherently dedicated to American made stuff, that they were willing to pay millions for a wheel bearing as long as it was American.

No.... the reason they bought American, is because only America was able to make anything.

Everyone knew... or should have known, that this magic time of America being the sole source for goods in the world, wasn't going to last.

Europe recovered. Socialism failed. Asia became the Asian Tigers. Latin America became a manufacturing hub. Even Cuba today, is slowly crawling it's way out towards having an economy.

And here's the kicker in all this....

It's easy for you to scream and yell, but if you put yourself in the place of the all these corporations, you would do the same.

How do I know? Because I meet people like you all the time, and they all do the same thing.

I'll give you a perfect example. I worked at a job that was 30 minutes outside the city of Columbus, Ohio. I worked for a guy, that often sounds exactly like you. He hated all the outsourced companies, and buy foreign made parts, and constantly screamed and complained about companies moving out of the country.

The first thing I found out, was why was the company located outside the city? His answer was simple... lower taxes (GASP!), and less regulations on the manufacturing (GASP). See, when he was screaming about other companies... well that's terrible that they would open a factory elsewhere because of lower taxes and less regulation. But when it effected his ability to run his company, and make his own paycheck.... well... then moving the company somewhere to avoid taxes and regulations was perfectly fine.

And I know that if you were in that position, you'd make the same choice.

The second thing that shocked me, was we landed a big contract, but then outsourced the products to a Chinese company. I asked why. Turns out a specific customer gave him a direct offer, for a specific product, at a specific price. They spent a month reviewing the production costs, and there was simply no way to do the product profitably. So they had only two options. Give up the customer, and lose a ton of business... or outsource it, and still get revenue.

If they didn't outsource, then they would get nothing.
If they did... at least they'll have some income.

So they did it. See, pretty easy to scream at companies... until it's you, and your income. Then when you are the one faced with earning nothing, or something... suddenly that outsourcing that you demonized, doesn't seem so bad.

You want to bring more manufacturing to the US? Lower taxes... lower regulations... cut the minimum wage. But you don't want to do that. Well... manufacturing isn't going to stay in the US, until you do. That's all there is to it. Obama sure didn't bring manufacturing back increasing taxes and regulations. Trump may or may not cut regulations and taxes.

But it really does not matter who you vote for, until you do those two things.

Corporations are not managed the same way they were 30-40-50 years ago. Then companies hasd a long range plan for profits & product development. People bought stock to ride along & get some dividends & stock growth.

Today, stockholders run these companies. They don't give a rat's ass about a 5,10 20 year plan. All they want is short term profits. Make moves that get then a quick boost in profits even though it means trouble down the road.

I own my own company. I have run manufacturing companies in the past. So please. climb down off that high horse & quit pretending that I don't know.

Corporations can run, not pollute, not **** over their employees and be successful.

You claiming we must pay workers less and pollute more is very Republican. If all else fails, blame the working man. OMG you can't push mining waste into streams & rivers. OMG you an spew greenhouse gas emissions. OMG you might have to pay a living wage.

Meanwhile CEIO"s rake in millions because they saves .005% by outsourcing a part from China.

Your buddy Trump says buy American & I guess you are calling him an idiot. Hey, something we agree on.

Corporations can be good entities. But most larger ones are not.

First I never suggested that 'must pollute'. That implies that all regulations are all about pollution. They are not. And even then, you are suggesting that all companies would pollute.

Apply that logic tor yourself. You say that you run a company. If the regulations tomorrow would be eliminated.... would you start polluting everything? Why do you hate everyone so much, that you assume they would pollute everything, when you yourself wouldn't? Everyone on the planet is evil but you?

I see no evidence that companies somehow treat people like crap, because of shareholders. At most, I see left-wingers blaming stockholders for it.

Besides that, who are the stockholders? 401Ks? Pension? Governments? We.... we the public... are the shareholders. I own stock in dozens of companies. I'm a shareholder. Unions are shareholders. IRAs, retirement accounts, and annuities, are stockholders.

OMG you might have to pay a living wage

There is no such thing as a living wage. I had a year that I earned $12,000 for the whole year. I lived. $12,000 is a living wage.

On top of that.... again, the bottom line is, if I can't make a profit off of having you working for me, then I'm not going to employ you. You claim to run a company, then you should know that.

If the customer is only willing to pay me $20 to mow his lawn, I can't pay you $25 to mow that lawn. Just because you demand that $25 a mow is a 'living wage' doesn't matter to me. I can't pay you, more money than the customer pays me.

I can't even pay you the same amount of money that the customer pays me. If they pay me $20, and I pay you $20, then how do I pay for the taxes? How do I pay for the gasoline? How do I pay the insurance? How do I pay to replace the lawn mowers when they break?

I can't even pay you $15 when the customer pays me $20, because on top of that, I have to pay ObamaCare, and all the penalties on that, and then I have to take money from your check to cover your sick days where I have to pay someone else to do your job, and your vacation days, so I can pay you, and your replacement, while you are on vacation.

And lastly, I have to make a profit off you, because if I don't, then I would be better off to have never hired you to begin with.

So your wage is $8 a mow. Not that $20 I'm paid.

This is called economics, and you can type "OMG" all you want, and scream about how employers should pay a 'living wage', and all that crap you want.... the fact remains, if the cost of employing someone is too high... then you are not going to be employed. You can go get a job a McWhoopers.

Greece tried this BS. They had a minimum wage, that was indexed to inflation. Every single year, the minimum wage went up, and the result was, unemployment went up. It wasn't until 2012, when Greece cut the minimum wage, and then *shockingly*.... SHOCKINGLY!.... Unemployment went down.

You want to do that here? By all means. Destroy the entire US economy. Knock yourself out. But don't come crying on this forum when unemployment skyrockets, and you can't understand why. You were told right here, right now.

McDonald's former CEO warned of the impacts of your idiocy.
Thanks To 'Fight For $15' Minimum Wage, McDonald's Unveils Job-Replacing Self-Service Kiosks Nationwide

Let’s start with automation. In 2013, when the Fight for $15 was still in its growth stage, I and others warned that union demands for a much higher minimum wage would force businesses with small profit margins to replace full-service employees with costly investments in self-service alternatives. At the time, labor groups accused business owners of crying wolf. It turns out the wolf was real.

Earlier this month, McDonald’s announced the nationwide roll-out of touchscreen self-service kiosks.​

Sorry, you can't pay a McWorker, serving up $6 burgers, $15/hour. The customer is not going to pay the kind of prices for a cheap burger, to pay wages that high.

But you have Fight for $15, and look what is happening? Laid off workers, replaced with kiosks.

And as with all left-wing ideology this makes McDonald's wealthy, and kills off competition. Smaller chain stores don't have the billions of dollars to put in place a kiosk system. So they end up being forced out of the market, leaving McDonald's to pick up more customers.

Consumers lose. Small business lose. Employees lose. McDonald's and corporate Execs win.

Thank you left-wingers. Your regulations saved the day. Good job. Well done. Screw over everyone, including yourselves, and claim victory for left-wing ideology. Brilliant work you brainless morons.

Oh please. Republicans are going to back off EPA regulations - you know it & quit being an asshole about it. They already started by allow cpal companies to pollute our streams.

They will back off CO2 emissions. They will back off clean air regulations. They already backed off water regulations & will permit the pollution of small streams.

CEOs move jobs overf seas, they close fascorires, thehy force out unions, they cry about the minimum wazge. My God. Arguing qwith you is like with a 56 year old.

Your earlier post was crying about worker wages.

" Of if we could only pay less... if we could only take away their health insurance benefits. (don't deny you just said that).

We were talking about manufacturing when I spoke about a living wage. Not McDonalds. Grow the **** up & learn how to debate.

If you & I were in the same business side by side, I would pay more with better benefits & beat the crap out you in production. Something you Trumpettes don't understand.

By all means prove it. How many people have died because of cpal companies. I want specific numbers, with listed names of the dead. I'll be waiting.

Yes, they move jobs over seas, and they close factories. They don't force out unions. That's not possible. They simply quit hiring people. That's your fault not mine.

The whole point here is, we've been doing it your way, and we've gotten the results I said. How is that my fault? Your plan, your problems, your fault.

I did not "cry" about workers wages. I simply said that if you want more manufacturing jobs, then you need to lower the minimum wage. No, I don't deny I told the truth. You don't like the truth. That doesn't mean I'm crying about it. By all means jack up the minimum wage, and drive out more and more jobs.

You people are the ones crying about outsourcing. I didn't start this thread, nor did I bring up the topic of outsource or moving jobs out of the country. YOU DID. Don't blame me for topics you bring up. That's 5-year-old level crying.

Moreover, I didn't say cut health care. I simply pointed out that health care costs lower wages and cut jobs. I pointed out the truth. I'm not denying that I pointed out the truth. You don't like the truth, but that doesn't make me the one crying about it. I'm simply telling the truth.

Right now at my company, they are now hiring temps. The temps come in a given temp wage. Now, if they hire you on full time, you take a pay cut. The reason why is really open and honest. As a temp they don't have to pay ObamaCare taxes and health insurance. As a full time employee, they do. So if you get hired on as a full time employee, you take a pay cut.

That is YOUR system. I'm just telling you the truth about YOUR system. Not mine. I didn't come up with this. You support people being paid less, by all means keep jack up health care regulations and taxes. But don't come whining to me about it. I'm just telling you the truth. Not my fault if you are not mature enough to handle it.

More bullcrap. You said we needed fewer regulation (translation the ability to pollute), lower wages ( blaming the worker) fewer taxes (making working people pay more), etc for companies to succeed. Then you cried & bitched about Obamacare ( OMG they supplied health insurance) when , if you had a brain, you would know Obamacare had little effect on companies providing health insurance benefits.

 

[Andylusion]

Corporations are not managed the same way they were 30-40-50 years ago. Then companies hasd a long range plan for profits & product development. People bought stock to ride along & get some dividends & stock growth.

Today, stockholders run these companies. They don't give a rat's ass about a 5,10 20 year plan. All they want is short term profits. Make moves that get then a quick boost in profits even though it means trouble down the road.

I own my own company. I have run manufacturing companies in the past. So please. climb down off that high horse & quit pretending that I don't know.

Corporations can run, not pollute, not **** over their employees and be successful.

You claiming we must pay workers less and pollute more is very Republican. If all else fails, blame the working man. OMG you can't push mining waste into streams & rivers. OMG you an spew greenhouse gas emissions. OMG you might have to pay a living wage.

Meanwhile CEIO"s rake in millions because they saves .005% by outsourcing a part from China.

Your buddy Trump says buy American & I guess you are calling him an idiot. Hey, something we agree on.

Corporations can be good entities. But most larger ones are not.

First I never suggested that 'must pollute'. That implies that all regulations are all about pollution. They are not. And even then, you are suggesting that all companies would pollute.

Apply that logic tor yourself. You say that you run a company. If the regulations tomorrow would be eliminated.... would you start polluting everything? Why do you hate everyone so much, that you assume they would pollute everything, when you yourself wouldn't? Everyone on the planet is evil but you?

I see no evidence that companies somehow treat people like crap, because of shareholders. At most, I see left-wingers blaming stockholders for it.

Besides that, who are the stockholders? 401Ks? Pension? Governments? We.... we the public... are the shareholders. I own stock in dozens of companies. I'm a shareholder. Unions are shareholders. IRAs, retirement accounts, and annuities, are stockholders.

OMG you might have to pay a living wage

There is no such thing as a living wage. I had a year that I earned $12,000 for the whole year. I lived. $12,000 is a living wage.

On top of that.... again, the bottom line is, if I can't make a profit off of having you working for me, then I'm not going to employ you. You claim to run a company, then you should know that.

If the customer is only willing to pay me $20 to mow his lawn, I can't pay you $25 to mow that lawn. Just because you demand that $25 a mow is a 'living wage' doesn't matter to me. I can't pay you, more money than the customer pays me.

I can't even pay you the same amount of money that the customer pays me. If they pay me $20, and I pay you $20, then how do I pay for the taxes? How do I pay for the gasoline? How do I pay the insurance? How do I pay to replace the lawn mowers when they break?

I can't even pay you $15 when the customer pays me $20, because on top of that, I have to pay ObamaCare, and all the penalties on that, and then I have to take money from your check to cover your sick days where I have to pay someone else to do your job, and your vacation days, so I can pay you, and your replacement, while you are on vacation.

And lastly, I have to make a profit off you, because if I don't, then I would be better off to have never hired you to begin with.

So your wage is $8 a mow. Not that $20 I'm paid.

This is called economics, and you can type "OMG" all you want, and scream about how employers should pay a 'living wage', and all that crap you want.... the fact remains, if the cost of employing someone is too high... then you are not going to be employed. You can go get a job a McWhoopers.

Greece tried this BS. They had a minimum wage, that was indexed to inflation. Every single year, the minimum wage went up, and the result was, unemployment went up. It wasn't until 2012, when Greece cut the minimum wage, and then *shockingly*.... SHOCKINGLY!.... Unemployment went down.

You want to do that here? By all means. Destroy the entire US economy. Knock yourself out. But don't come crying on this forum when unemployment skyrockets, and you can't understand why. You were told right here, right now.

McDonald's former CEO warned of the impacts of your idiocy.
Thanks To 'Fight For $15' Minimum Wage, McDonald's Unveils Job-Replacing Self-Service Kiosks Nationwide

Let’s start with automation. In 2013, when the Fight for $15 was still in its growth stage, I and others warned that union demands for a much higher minimum wage would force businesses with small profit margins to replace full-service employees with costly investments in self-service alternatives. At the time, labor groups accused business owners of crying wolf. It turns out the wolf was real.

Earlier this month, McDonald’s announced the nationwide roll-out of touchscreen self-service kiosks.​

Sorry, you can't pay a McWorker, serving up $6 burgers, $15/hour. The customer is not going to pay the kind of prices for a cheap burger, to pay wages that high.

But you have Fight for $15, and look what is happening? Laid off workers, replaced with kiosks.

And as with all left-wing ideology this makes McDonald's wealthy, and kills off competition. Smaller chain stores don't have the billions of dollars to put in place a kiosk system. So they end up being forced out of the market, leaving McDonald's to pick up more customers.

Consumers lose. Small business lose. Employees lose. McDonald's and corporate Execs win.

Thank you left-wingers. Your regulations saved the day. Good job. Well done. Screw over everyone, including yourselves, and claim victory for left-wing ideology. Brilliant work you brainless morons.

Oh please. Republicans are going to back off EPA regulations - you know it & quit being an asshole about it. They already started by allow cpal companies to pollute our streams.

They will back off CO2 emissions. They will back off clean air regulations. They already backed off water regulations & will permit the pollution of small streams.

CEOs move jobs overf seas, they close fascorires, thehy force out unions, they cry about the minimum wazge. My God. Arguing qwith you is like with a 56 year old.

Your earlier post was crying about worker wages.

" Of if we could only pay less... if we could only take away their health insurance benefits. (don't deny you just said that).

We were talking about manufacturing when I spoke about a living wage. Not McDonalds. Grow the **** up & learn how to debate.

If you & I were in the same business side by side, I would pay more with better benefits & beat the crap out you in production. Something you Trumpettes don't understand.

By all means prove it. How many people have died because of cpal companies. I want specific numbers, with listed names of the dead. I'll be waiting.

Yes, they move jobs over seas, and they close factories. They don't force out unions. That's not possible. They simply quit hiring people. That's your fault not mine.

The whole point here is, we've been doing it your way, and we've gotten the results I said. How is that my fault? Your plan, your problems, your fault.

I did not "cry" about workers wages. I simply said that if you want more manufacturing jobs, then you need to lower the minimum wage. No, I don't deny I told the truth. You don't like the truth. That doesn't mean I'm crying about it. By all means jack up the minimum wage, and drive out more and more jobs.

You people are the ones crying about outsourcing. I didn't start this thread, nor did I bring up the topic of outsource or moving jobs out of the country. YOU DID. Don't blame me for topics you bring up. That's 5-year-old level crying.

Moreover, I didn't say cut health care. I simply pointed out that health care costs lower wages and cut jobs. I pointed out the truth. I'm not denying that I pointed out the truth. You don't like the truth, but that doesn't make me the one crying about it. I'm simply telling the truth.

Right now at my company, they are now hiring temps. The temps come in a given temp wage. Now, if they hire you on full time, you take a pay cut. The reason why is really open and honest. As a temp they don't have to pay ObamaCare taxes and health insurance. As a full time employee, they do. So if you get hired on as a full time employee, you take a pay cut.

That is YOUR system. I'm just telling you the truth about YOUR system. Not mine. I didn't come up with this. You support people being paid less, by all means keep jack up health care regulations and taxes. But don't come whining to me about it. I'm just telling you the truth. Not my fault if you are not mature enough to handle it.

More bullcrap. You said we needed fewer regulation (translation the ability to pollute), lower wages ( blaming the worker) fewer taxes (making working people pay more), etc for companies to succeed. Then you cried & bitched about Obamacare ( OMG they supplied health insurance) when , if you had a brain, you would know Obamacare had little effect on companies providing health insurance benefits.

I'm not going to argue with you, when you can't even read. It's that simple. I explained what I said, and what I meant, and you ignored it and made up your own bull crap.

You have the right to be wrong. I'm not going to correct a 5-year-old mentality anymore.

As for are your claims about Obamacare having 'little effect'... cutting workers wages would seem to be a big effect. Moreover, this effect has been clearly documented and reported on.

Mark Warshawsky on Compensation, Health Care Costs, and Inequality | EconTalk | Library of Economics and Liberty

Mark Warshawsky Economist, and Author, wrote a research paper:
https://www.mercatus.org/system/files/Warshawsky-Earnings-Inequality-v2.pdf

In this he describes how increased costs of employer provided health care requirements, has drastically increased income inequality.

The reason is very simple. Companies can't provide different levels of compensation. If you provided health insurance for the lower level employees, that was limited and cheap, and then provided a special high end policy for top earners, that was generous and expensive, then the company would end up with discrimination lawsuits.

So the health care package is the same at the top, as at the bottom.

Thus if you have a health care package that due to government regulations and mandates, is $5,000 per person, a person earning $100,000 a year, the cut in pay would drop them down to $95,000.

But for someone at the lowest end of the income ladder, $20,000 is could drop them to $15,000 a year.

As a result the income gap widens.

Once again, you can keep screaming and cussing like a 5-year-old. The facts are still the facts, and truth still the truth.

You have the right to be wrong. By all means continue.

 

[longknife]

Keystone pipeline won't use US steel despite Trump pledge

Not the end of the Earth but the campaign is over and it's time to ease the self-promotion. Too many instances of Trump shooting himself in the foot won't look good.

Because, Lefturd it was purchased years ago!

 

[JoeMoma]

The 30 permanent jobs this creates will be yuge

No jobs last forever.