Two Big Losing Issues for GOP

[JakeStarkey]

GOP Memo Admits Plan Could 'Keep Black Vote Down' - Los Angeles Times


this stuff hurts them too

oh geezus not that story from last century....again....

Harry, that's what the freaks do on our side as well: the GOP and civil rights blah blah blah.

I wish the weirdos on both wings would hold a death match in LA Coliseum. I would pay per view to watch that. The first match: Mr Shaman v Crusader Frank. The winner is sent to a rehab center in the Gobi Desert. Aside from the nonsense, I get so tired of these freaks messing up a good system.

 

[theHawk]

The GOP has managed to alienate two huge voting blocks by taking impractical positions on the following issues:

1. Abortion. By implying that all abortions should be made illegal, the GOP has driven unmarried women to the Dems. At most, the GOP should consider this an issue to be decided by individual states and cite late term abortions as Democratic excess.

2. Immigration. By implying that all illegals should be deported they have "alienated" Hispanic voters, many of whom are U.S. born children of illegal parents. Since 10+ million people are NOT going to be deported, the GOP should disavow this idea and promote a reasonable immigration reform bill that requires border security.

What say you?

You're right. We should all just become liberals and have no respect for the unborn, and allow criminals to just stay here and become citizens.

 

[rdean]

Yesssss, because enslaving children with entitlements and a massive tax debt at birth is so huane and caring of the liberals.

Huh?

From 2001 to to 2008, Republicans, working with the Chamber of Commerce moved millions of jobs to China.

Mitt Romney ran on a platform of fewer teachers and bringing immigrants with degrees here because he felt his own base was too stupid to learn.

Republicans applaud leaders who say the GOP has no smart people and insist education is for snobs.

See, I don't disagree with Republicans on everything they say. I couldn't make this shit up. I wouldn't know where to begin.

Every "fact" your listed is made up....

Wrong. I've posted links dozens of times proving what I'm saying.

During the election, bringing immigrants with degrees here was on Mitt Romney's website, which I posted a link to a dozen times.

Rick Santorum famously said the GOP has no smart people and was cheered. I posted to that a dozen times.

Rick Santorum famously said Obama was a "snob" for wanting Americans to be able to get an education. Republicans cheered, not because they want an education, but because they agreed you are a snob for wanting one.

Mitt Romney famously said: Fewer Police, Firemen and Teachers and said to a cheering crowd of Republicans that Obama isn't listening to the American people.

I've posted links to all of these at least a dozen times. You can't call them lies. It's incredible denial. It's not my fault if "facts" don't "take". If you insist on staying uninformed. That's your problem. Calling these "lies" is like calling water, cotton. It's calling one thing something it isn't. Go ahead. Stay stupid. It's "safe". But it's also "dangerous".

 

[Erand7899]

Rape is a no winner for the gop in the main. Personal views being aside, and I tend towards libertaraian on social issues. But, look who is voting for the gop. Dispropionately white and older people. Anti-abortion folks will claim there are homes for all these fetuses that could be babies. Non-whites know that's bs, and that includes even latinos who tend to being Catholics.

The only reason a sane woman would have an abortion is the abortion is the least bad option. Economic empowerment through education.

Now should we not give welfare that may be an incentative to a teen having a child out of wedlock or unprotected sex. Frankly, I'd rather a woman/girl have an abortion that look to tax dollars to raise the child, who in many instances will just repeat the cycle.

Now, we have a moral and common sense solution. Kill the little bastards so we don't have to spend money to raise them. After all, most of them are not worth keeping.

I have yet to meet the child, regardless of it's circumstances, that would rather it not have been born.

I wonder how we ever got along before we learned how to kill the unborn.

 

[rdean]

The GOP has managed to alienate two huge voting blocks by taking impractical positions on the following issues:

1. Abortion. By implying that all abortions should be made illegal, the GOP has driven unmarried women to the Dems. At most, the GOP should consider this an issue to be decided by individual states and cite late term abortions as Democratic excess.

2. Immigration. By implying that all illegals should be deported they have "alienated" Hispanic voters, many of whom are U.S. born children of illegal parents. Since 10+ million people are NOT going to be deported, the GOP should disavow this idea and promote a reasonable immigration reform bill that requires border security.

What say you?

You're right. We should all just become liberals and have no respect for the unborn, and allow criminals to just stay here and become citizens.

Why is it OK to have no respect for the "born"?

 

[kwc57]

You are merely a reactionary, and your time has come and gone in mainstream Republicanism. Christie, Rover, Jindall, J. Bush, Martinez, and so many other GOP mainstream leaders are saying that you bannermen for the Party of Stupid are done.

Guess what. You are merely noise that signifies nothing.

Poser.

Stop the concern troll nonsense, kcw57, because nobody is buying your reactionary posing.

I bet you think you're good looking, a great dancer and pretty witty too don't you. Poser.

 

[JakeStarkey]

Poser.

Stop the concern troll nonsense, kcw57, because nobody is buying your reactionary posing.

I bet you think you're good looking, a great dancer and pretty witty too don't you. Poser.

And concern troll goes doesy doh. kwc's partner is Homer Simpson. What a pair.

 

[kwc57]

If Republicans cared about the child AFTER it was born, their position on abortion would be noble. Instead, by only caring about the fetus, they look like deranged bullies.

Yesssss, because enslaving children with entitlements and a massive tax debt at birth is so huane and caring of the liberals.

Huh?
From 2001 to to 2008, Republicans, working with the Chamber of Commerce moved millions of jobs to China.

Mitt Romney ran on a platform of fewer teachers and bringing immigrants with degrees here because he felt his own base was too stupid to learn.

Republicans applaud leaders who say the GOP has no smart people and insist education is for snobs.

See, I don't disagree with Republicans on everything they say. I couldn't make this shit up. I wouldn't know where to begin.

What, were your ears flapping rderp? Your response has nothing to do with what we were talking about. Get a cup of coffee, wake up and come back when you can post coherently.

 

[kwc57]

Yesssss, because enslaving children with entitlements and a massive tax debt at birth is so huane and caring of the liberals.

Huh?

From 2001 to to 2008, Republicans, working with the Chamber of Commerce moved millions of jobs to China.

Mitt Romney ran on a platform of fewer teachers and bringing immigrants with degrees here because he felt his own base was too stupid to learn.

Republicans applaud leaders who say the GOP has no smart people and insist education is for snobs.

See, I don't disagree with Republicans on everything they say. I couldn't make this shit up. I wouldn't know where to begin.

Every "fact" your listed is made up....

That's what she does. She gets paid a penny a post.

 

[rdean]

Maybe they should study their party's history. In 1986 Ronald Reagan signed massive immigration changes into law which ultimately granted amnesty to about six million illegals.

You need to educate yourself on why that happened and what the consequences were.

I was born in 1940....I remember exactly what happened. Ronald Reagan was a democrat and the president of a union until his B movies started making enough money that taxes bothered him. Then he proceeded to screw the working man in this country.

He was elected union president 6 times and said belonging to a union was a "right". Republicans want to believe he was against unions because he fought an illegal strike by Air Traffic Controllers. It is written into law they can't strike because it threatens the safety of the nation. Just like the right does with everything, the right twists and lies. God, they hate this country. They want a "Right Wing Conservative Confederate Christian Taliban" but the numbers are against their take over. But they keep trying.

 

[RoadVirus]

The GOP has managed to alienate two huge voting blocks by taking impractical positions on the following issues:

1. Abortion. By implying that all abortions should be made illegal, the GOP has driven unmarried women to the Dems. At most, the GOP should consider this an issue to be decided by individual states and cite late term abortions as Democratic excess.

2. Immigration. By implying that all illegals should be deported they have "alienated" Hispanic voters, many of whom are U.S. born children of illegal parents. Since 10+ million people are NOT going to be deported, the GOP should disavow this idea and promote a reasonable immigration reform bill that requires border security.

What say you?

1. I'm pretty sure this issue is at the very bottom of voters' list of concerns right now

2. If demanding that immigration laws be enforced alienates Hispanics, oh well. At least the Republicans have the stones to say "**** you" instead of being spineless panderers to a bunch of third world trash.

 

[rdean]

Yesssss, because enslaving children with entitlements and a massive tax debt at birth is so huane and caring of the liberals.

Huh?
From 2001 to to 2008, Republicans, working with the Chamber of Commerce moved millions of jobs to China.

Mitt Romney ran on a platform of fewer teachers and bringing immigrants with degrees here because he felt his own base was too stupid to learn.

Republicans applaud leaders who say the GOP has no smart people and insist education is for snobs.

See, I don't disagree with Republicans on everything they say. I couldn't make this shit up. I wouldn't know where to begin.

What, were your ears flapping rderp? Your response has nothing to do with what we were talking about. Get a cup of coffee, wake up and come back when you can post coherently.

The massive tax debt was created by the GOP. By ensuring Americans can't get an education, it's the GOP that keeps Americans in poverty. They know if people are educated they tend to vote Democrat. Try to figure out why.

 

[Melvin01]

Huh?
From 2001 to to 2008, Republicans, working with the Chamber of Commerce moved millions of jobs to China.

Mitt Romney ran on a platform of fewer teachers and bringing immigrants with degrees here because he felt his own base was too stupid to learn.

Republicans applaud leaders who say the GOP has no smart people and insist education is for snobs.

See, I don't disagree with Republicans on everything they say. I couldn't make this shit up. I wouldn't know where to begin.

What, were your ears flapping rderp? Your response has nothing to do with what we were talking about. Get a cup of coffee, wake up and come back when you can post coherently.

The massive tax debt was created by the GOP. By ensuring Americans can't get an education, it's the GOP that keeps Americans in poverty. They know if people are educated they tend to vote Democrat. Try to figure out why.

Here It Is:

Total U S Debt


09/30/2009 $11,909,829,003,511.75(80% Of All Debt Across 232 Years Borrowed By Reagan And Bushes)

09/30/2008 $10,024,724,896,912.49(Times Square Debt Clock Modified To Accomodate Tens of Trillions)

09/30/2007 $9,007,653,372,262.48
09/30/2006 $8,506,973,899,215.23
09/30/2005 $7,932,709,661,723.50
09/30/2004 $7,379,052,696,330.32

09/30/2003 $6,783,231,062,743.62(Second Bush Tax Cuts Enacted Using Reconciliation)


09/30/2002 $6,228,235,965,597.16

09/30/2001 $5,807,463,412,200.06(First Bush Tax Cuts Enacted Using Reconciliation)


09/30/2000 $5,674,178,209,886.86(Administration And Congress Arguing About How To Use Surplus)

09/30/1999 $5,656,270,901,615.43(First Surplus Generated...On Track To Pay Off Debt By 2012)

09/30/1998 $5,526,193,008,897.62
09/30/1997 $5,413,146,011,397.34
09/30/1996 $5,224,810,939,135.73
09/29/1995 $4,973,982,900,709.39
09/30/1994 $4,692,749,910,013.32

09/30/1993 $4,411,488,883,139.38(Debt Quadrupled By Reagan/Bush41)

09/30/1992 $4,064,620,655,521.66
09/30/1991 $3,665,303,351,697.03
09/28/1990 $3,233,313,451,777.25
09/29/1989 $2,857,430,960,187.32
09/30/1988 $2,602,337,712,041.16
09/30/1987 $2,350,276,890,953.00
09/30/1986 $2,125,302,616,658.42
09/30/1985 $1,823,103,000,000.00
09/30/1984 $1,572,266,000,000.00
09/30/1983 $1,377,210,000,000.00

09/30/1982 $1,142,034,000,000.00(Total Debt Passes $1 Trillion)

09/30/1981 $997,855,000,000.00

 

[rdean]

What, were your ears flapping rderp? Your response has nothing to do with what we were talking about. Get a cup of coffee, wake up and come back when you can post coherently.

The massive tax debt was created by the GOP. By ensuring Americans can't get an education, it's the GOP that keeps Americans in poverty. They know if people are educated they tend to vote Democrat. Try to figure out why.

Here It Is:

Total U S Debt


09/30/2009 $11,909,829,003,511.75(80% Of All Debt Across 232 Years Borrowed By Reagan And Bushes)

09/30/2008 $10,024,724,896,912.49(Times Square Debt Clock Modified To Accomodate Tens of Trillions)

09/30/2007 $9,007,653,372,262.48
09/30/2006 $8,506,973,899,215.23
09/30/2005 $7,932,709,661,723.50
09/30/2004 $7,379,052,696,330.32

09/30/2003 $6,783,231,062,743.62(Second Bush Tax Cuts Enacted Using Reconciliation)


09/30/2002 $6,228,235,965,597.16

09/30/2001 $5,807,463,412,200.06(First Bush Tax Cuts Enacted Using Reconciliation)


09/30/2000 $5,674,178,209,886.86(Administration And Congress Arguing About How To Use Surplus)

09/30/1999 $5,656,270,901,615.43(First Surplus Generated...On Track To Pay Off Debt By 2012)

09/30/1998 $5,526,193,008,897.62
09/30/1997 $5,413,146,011,397.34
09/30/1996 $5,224,810,939,135.73
09/29/1995 $4,973,982,900,709.39
09/30/1994 $4,692,749,910,013.32

09/30/1993 $4,411,488,883,139.38(Debt Quadrupled By Reagan/Bush41)

09/30/1992 $4,064,620,655,521.66
09/30/1991 $3,665,303,351,697.03
09/28/1990 $3,233,313,451,777.25
09/29/1989 $2,857,430,960,187.32
09/30/1988 $2,602,337,712,041.16
09/30/1987 $2,350,276,890,953.00
09/30/1986 $2,125,302,616,658.42
09/30/1985 $1,823,103,000,000.00
09/30/1984 $1,572,266,000,000.00
09/30/1983 $1,377,210,000,000.00

09/30/1982 $1,142,034,000,000.00(Total Debt Passes $1 Trillion)

09/30/1981 $997,855,000,000.00

We know how the right wing created the debt, but ask what Obama is spending the money on and the right wing screams "TYPICAL LIBERAL!".

 

[JakeStarkey]

The GOP has managed to alienate two huge voting blocks by taking impractical positions on the following issues:

1. Abortion. By implying that all abortions should be made illegal, the GOP has driven unmarried women to the Dems. At most, the GOP should consider this an issue to be decided by individual states and cite late term abortions as Democratic excess.

2. Immigration. By implying that all illegals should be deported they have "alienated" Hispanic voters, many of whom are U.S. born children of illegal parents. Since 10+ million people are NOT going to be deported, the GOP should disavow this idea and promote a reasonable immigration reform bill that requires border security.

What say you?

1. I'm pretty sure this issue is at the very bottom of voters' list of concerns right now

2. If demanding that immigration laws be enforced alienates Hispanics, oh well. At least the Republicans have the stones to say "**** you" instead of being spineless panderers to a bunch of third world trash.

Actually Rove, Bush, Christie, Jindall, Haley, Martinez, and many other GOP leaders are saying "**** you, RoadVirus, we are not going down the reactionary loony road anymore. Get on board, or get the **** off, boyo."

We lost because women and minorities voted against us. We are not going to let you flakes dictate the direction of the next election.

 

[Melvin01]

The GOP has managed to alienate two huge voting blocks by taking impractical positions on the following issues:

1. Abortion. By implying that all abortions should be made illegal, the GOP has driven unmarried women to the Dems. At most, the GOP should consider this an issue to be decided by individual states and cite late term abortions as Democratic excess.

2. Immigration. By implying that all illegals should be deported they have "alienated" Hispanic voters, many of whom are U.S. born children of illegal parents. Since 10+ million people are NOT going to be deported, the GOP should disavow this idea and promote a reasonable immigration reform bill that requires border security.

What say you?

1. I'm pretty sure this issue is at the very bottom of voters' list of concerns right now

2. If demanding that immigration laws be enforced alienates Hispanics, oh well. At least the Republicans have the stones to say "**** you" instead of being spineless panderers to a bunch of third world trash.

Actually Rove, Bush, Christie, Jindall, Haley, Martinez, and many other GOP leaders are saying "**** you, RoadVirus, we are not going to reactionary loony road anymore. Get on board, or get the **** off, boyo."

We lost because women and minorities voted against us. We are not to let you flakes dictate the direction of the next election.

You should kinda look a little further. Romulus lost every demographic except White men and folks over 65. I have news for you. Folks over 65 are dying about 100 times faster than college students. If you don't believe it ask an insurance company. The Republican party has shot itself in the foot and if they do not completely restructure their approach to the next campaign they are in deep shit. They have been found out.

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

The GOP has managed to alienate two huge voting blocks by taking impractical positions on the following issues:

1. Abortion. By implying that all abortions should be made illegal, the GOP has driven unmarried women to the Dems. At most, the GOP should consider this an issue to be decided by individual states and cite late term abortions as Democratic excess.

2. Immigration. By implying that all illegals should be deported they have "alienated" Hispanic voters, many of whom are U.S. born children of illegal parents. Since 10+ million people are NOT going to be deported, the GOP should disavow this idea and promote a reasonable immigration reform bill that requires border security.

What say you?

1. Abortion. By implying that all abortions should be made illegal, the GOP has driven unmarried women to the Dems. At most, the GOP should consider this an issue to be decided by individual states and cite late term abortions as Democratic excess.

Arguing that the issue should be decided by the states is exactly the argument that’s losing the GOP votes.

In a Republic the people are subject only to the rule of law, not men; one’s civil liberties are not determined by popular vote, and one does not forfeit his civil liberties as a consequence of his state of residence.

Republicans need to first acknowledge this fact, and clearly state that they will respect and protect the privacy rights of all Americans.

Then follow up with non-legislative, non-judicial solutions to abortion that don’t include amending the Constitution.

2. Immigration. By implying that all illegals should be deported they have "alienated" Hispanic voters, many of whom are U.S. born children of illegal parents. Since 10+ million people are NOT going to be deported, the GOP should disavow this idea and promote a reasonable immigration reform bill that requires border security.

That’s really not the problem – millions of Hispanics whose families have lived in the US for generations correctly infer the hostility to Hispanic immigration by conservatives; where many on the right simply don’t want more Hispanics in the US, whether they come legally or not.

‘Seal the borders’ and ‘shoot illegals on sight’ is not perceived by Hispanics as advocacy of law and order, rather as a racist attempt by the right to keep Latinos out of the country.

 

[Melvin01]

The GOP has managed to alienate two huge voting blocks by taking impractical positions on the following issues:

1. Abortion. By implying that all abortions should be made illegal, the GOP has driven unmarried women to the Dems. At most, the GOP should consider this an issue to be decided by individual states and cite late term abortions as Democratic excess.

2. Immigration. By implying that all illegals should be deported they have "alienated" Hispanic voters, many of whom are U.S. born children of illegal parents. Since 10+ million people are NOT going to be deported, the GOP should disavow this idea and promote a reasonable immigration reform bill that requires border security.

What say you?

1. Abortion. By implying that all abortions should be made illegal, the GOP has driven unmarried women to the Dems. At most, the GOP should consider this an issue to be decided by individual states and cite late term abortions as Democratic excess.

Arguing that the issue should be decided by the states is exactly the argument that’s losing the GOP votes.

In a Republic the people are subject only to the rule of law, not men; one’s civil liberties are not determined by popular vote, and one does not forfeit his civil liberties as a consequence of his state of residence.

Republicans need to first acknowledge this fact, and clearly state that they will respect and protect the privacy rights of all Americans.

Then follow up with non-legislative, non-judicial solutions to abortion that don’t include amending the Constitution.

2. Immigration. By implying that all illegals should be deported they have "alienated" Hispanic voters, many of whom are U.S. born children of illegal parents. Since 10+ million people are NOT going to be deported, the GOP should disavow this idea and promote a reasonable immigration reform bill that requires border security.

That’s really not the problem – millions of Hispanics whose families have lived in the US for generations correctly infer the hostility to Hispanic immigration by conservatives; where many on the right simply don’t want more Hispanics in the US, whether they come legally or not.

‘Seal the borders’ and ‘shoot illegals on sight’ is not perceived by Hispanics as advocacy of law and order, rather as a racist attempt by the right to keep Latinos out of the country.

One thing about it......when they push the Republicans too far they will drag out their AR-15's and shoot the shit out of everybody.

 

[JakeStarkey]

1. I'm pretty sure this issue is at the very bottom of voters' list of concerns right now

2. If demanding that immigration laws be enforced alienates Hispanics, oh well. At least the Republicans have the stones to say "**** you" instead of being spineless panderers to a bunch of third world trash.

Actually Rove, Bush, Christie, Jindall, Haley, Martinez, and many other GOP leaders are saying "**** you, RoadVirus, we are not going to reactionary loony road anymore. Get on board, or get the **** off, boyo."

We lost because women and minorities voted against us. We are not to let you flakes dictate the direction of the next election.

You should kinda look a little further. Romulus lost every demographic except White men and folks over 65. I have news for you. Folks over 65 are dying about 100 times faster than college students. If you don't believe it ask an insurance company. The Republican party has shot itself in the foot and if they do not completely restructure their approach to the next campaign they are in deep shit. They have been found out.

You should read what I wrote more carefully. You have your own dippy lefties who mired the Dems in the 70s and 80s, and they are growing in power once again in your party. The pendelum will swing back to the GOP if reach responsibly to women and minorities.

 

[Soggy in NOLA]

The GOP has managed to alienate two huge voting blocks by taking impractical positions on the following issues:

1. Abortion. By implying that all abortions should be made illegal, the GOP has driven unmarried women to the Dems. At most, the GOP should consider this an issue to be decided by individual states and cite late term abortions as Democratic excess.

2. Immigration. By implying that all illegals should be deported they have "alienated" Hispanic voters, many of whom are U.S. born children of illegal parents. Since 10+ million people are NOT going to be deported, the GOP should disavow this idea and promote a reasonable immigration reform bill that requires border security.

What say you?

So, all single women are pro-abortion and all illegal immigrants are Hispanics?

You sure paint with a broad brush.