Turkish newspaper: Conditions for Ankara to recognize the Kurdish state in KRG

[kirkuki]

USA has moved out of Iraq, and is in the process of totally throwing Iraq's "weight" (burden) from US's shoulders.
What is your worth to USA, that USA should re-engage with the region and spend US money for your wellbeing? That the USA moved out without granting you "independence" already shows what worth you are to them.

US cant come and say here is your independence ... we will hold a refereundum and proclaim it then it is up to those who want to built relations on mutual interests , as i can see your government has decided to look the other way when it happens.

The USA doesn't have the power to dictate its view to others in this case.
The opposition to "Kurdistan" in the regional constellation is simply too strong.

so was South Sudan , Czech and partitioning Yugoslavia an important ally of the Russians .

The North-Eastern Iraqis (Kurds) are at this point dependent on the pipeline that goes from Kerkuk (Iraq) to Yumurtalik-Ceyhan (Turkey).
They don't have anything else they export.
As a landlocked entity the KRG depends on friendliness of its neighbours.

first of all you sound like an uneducated troll , learn some history before been a keyboard warrior . we are not Iraqis just bcoz the French and Brits decided we should be in 1923 it does not mean jackshit to us , we are Kurdistani , its just the matter of international recognition and we dont give two shits what you turks call us , the rest of the world has decided to call us kurds from kurdistan as you see in many international reports and news .

At the end - and the USA is at the end in Iraq - you evaluate everything.
Claims against reality.
Like an accountant. And the accountant gives its weapons from the Iraq war to Greece and not the North-Eastern Iraqis

this posts reeks of a bias and chauvinism view so i am going to ignore this one

 

[High_Gravity]

USA has moved out of Iraq, and is in the process of totally throwing Iraq's "weight" (burden) from US's shoulders.
What is your worth to USA, that USA should re-engage with the region and spend US money for your wellbeing? That the USA moved out without granting you "independence" already shows what worth you are to them.

US cant come and say here is your independence ... we will hold a refereundum and proclaim it then it is up to those who want to built relations on mutual interests , as i can see your government has decided to look the other way when it happens.

The USA doesn't have the power to dictate its view to others in this case.
The opposition to "Kurdistan" in the regional constellation is simply too strong.

so was South Sudan , Czech and partitioning Yugoslavia an important ally of the Russians .

The North-Eastern Iraqis (Kurds) are at this point dependent on the pipeline that goes from Kerkuk (Iraq) to Yumurtalik-Ceyhan (Turkey).
They don't have anything else they export.
As a landlocked entity the KRG depends on friendliness of its neighbours.

first of all you sound like an uneducated troll , learn some history before been a keyboard warrior . we are not Iraqis just bcoz the French and Brits decided we should be in 1923 it does not mean jackshit to us , we are Kurdistani , its just the matter of international recognition and we dont give two shits what you turks call us , the rest of the world has decided to call us kurds from kurdistan as you see in many international reports and news .

At the end - and the USA is at the end in Iraq - you evaluate everything.
Claims against reality.
Like an accountant. And the accountant gives its weapons from the Iraq war to Greece and not the North-Eastern Iraqis

this posts reeks of a bias and chauvinism view so i am going to ignore this one

You pretty much nailed it, ekrem is an uneducated troll who is also a known racist and goat fucker.

 

[High_Gravity]

Kirkuki I think the Kurds will get their own country, you just have to work it out politically like how they did in South Sudan.

 

[kirkuki]

Kirkuki I think the Kurds will get their own country, you just have to work it out politically like how they did in South Sudan.

yes we are trying , it has begun just needs timing...

Will Massoud Barzani declare independence? * 23.4.2012
By Ofra Bengo — The Jerusalem Post

Will Barzani declare independence? - JPost - Opinion - Op-Eds

 

[Artevelde]

It will indeed be a slow process and a lot of long-term diplomatic effort will have to go into this. I hope the Kurds are succesful in the long run.

 

[High_Gravity]

It will indeed be a slow process and a lot of long-term diplomatic effort will have to go into this. I hope the Kurds are succesful in the long run.

Me too.

 

[Artevelde]

It will indeed be a slow process and a lot of long-term diplomatic effort will have to go into this. I hope the Kurds are succesful in the long run.

Me too.

Great minds think alike!

 

[kirkuki]

By LARA JAKES, Associated Press – 2 minutes ago

IRBIL, (AP) — Time is running out for the Iraqi government to decide on a power-sharing agreement to end a political crisis roiling the country, the president of Iraq's self-ruled Kurdish region warned Wednesday.

Without an agreement, Kurdish leader Massoud Barzani said, Iraq could face a political revolt and even the specter of Kurdish secession that would scuttle hopes for a unified, stable nation just months after the departure of U.S. troops.

Iraqi opposition parties and Kurds in general have run out of patience with feeling sidelined in Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki's Shiite-led government, Barzani told The Associated Press in a 45-minute interview in his office outside the Iraqi Kurdish regional capital of Irbil.

"There is a very dangerous political crisis in the country," Barzani said, stopping short of predicting whether al-Maliki would soon be ousted from power.

Barzani called for a September deadline for resolving the political impasse to offer Iraqi Kurds an incentive not to break away from Baghdad. "It has to be before then. At least," Barzani said.

If no solution is found before local elections scheduled for September in Kurdistan, Kurds may be asked to vote on a referendum to decide, as Barzani put it, whether they want to "live under a dictatorial regime" controlled by Baghdad or in an independent state.

Al-Maliki's media adviser Ali al-Moussawi declined to comment when told about Barzani's remarks and a possible independence vote by Kurds.

The three-province Kurdish region in Iraq's north is politically autonomous, although it does receive a share of the nation's $100 billion annual budget. It was created as a haven for the country's ethnic Kurds in the 1970s after years of fighting with the central government. Kurds account for up to 20 percent of Iraq's population; it is unknown how many of them live in the northern region since there has been no census taken for years.

Neighboring Turkey and Iran have been concerned that an independent and prosperous Iraqi Kurdistan might promote separatism among their Kurdish minority populations. Iran's semiofficial Mehr news agency reported Wednesday that four troops from Iran's powerful Revolutionary Guards were killed in clashes with Kurdish rebels in western Iran the previous day.

Tensions between the central government in Baghdad and the Kurdish region long have been strained, and Barzani has threatened previously to break off the region from Iraq.

But relations have sunk to a new low after a series of actions by Baghdad have curbed the regional autonomy that Kurds stridently defend. Most recently, the central government blacklisted ExxonMobil from bidding on new projects as punishment for plans to work in Kurdistan.

Barzani may also be bolder now that the U.S. troops have gone, and since talks last week in Ankara signaled a burgeoning partnership between the Kurdish region and neighboring Turkey.

Barzani said he has been trying to get bickering leaders of Iraq's political blocs back to the negotiating table — an effort that has malingered for months. "For the time being, we are in a consultation process," he said.

"But I would like to stress with you one fact: The current situation, the status quo, does not suffice as an option for us," he said. "This time, the timeline will not be open-ended as it has been in the past."

Barzani also said he "wholeheartedly" supports Sunni desires to create their own self-rule regions in Iraq — an action that the Shiite government has sought to avoid, and that Washington fears would eliminate years of U.S. efforts toward building long-term stability.

During the early years of the Iraq war, the U.S. worked hard to ensure that the Kurds remained part of the Iraqi state, encouraging all parties to give the Kurds a major role in the government. Kurdish approval of the Iraqi constitution in 2005 was hailed as a major victory for U.S. policy.

Barzani did not directly blame al-Maliki for the impasse but said it's clear that the Shiite prime minister and his State of Law political alliance has been "ruling the country by themselves."

If that continues, Barzani said, "it will not be accepted."

State of Law official Ali al-Alak said the prime minister's alliance remains open to negotiations but that Kurdish secession should not be an option.

"The problems can't be resolved by issuing threats, but through dialogue," said al-Alak, a member of parliament. "If one party tries to impose solutions on others, then this a dictatorship scenario. We are with unity of Iraq and we strongly reject dividing Iraq and its people."

Others feel it is al-Maliki who is dividing the Iraqi people.

After State of Law fell short of winning the most seats in 2010 parliamentary elections, al-Maliki kept his job only after corralling enough support from Kurdish lawmakers and the hardline followers of Shiite cleric Muqtada al-Sadr. Barzani's comments make clear that the Kurds no long want al-Maliki to stay in power. And Sadrist lawmakers are increasingly irritated with the government's long-standing dismissal of their concerns.

"The current political situation in Iraq is like a time bomb that could explode at any moment," said Sadrist lawmaker Bahaa al-Araji.

He said the political strain between al-Maliki and the Kurds could be the first domino to fall in a broken Iraq: "Baghdad has the same problems with other provinces," al-Araji said. "This will lead to dividing Iraq, and there will be no Iraq on the world map."

Associated Press Writers Yahya Barzanji in Irbil, and Sinan Salaheddin in Baghdad contributed to this report.

The Associated Press

 

[High_Gravity]

I don't see Baghdad letting the Kurds just go, Kurdistan is the most succesful part of Iraq and has alot of oil, you think this will break into war like with Sudan and South Sudan?

 

[kirkuki]

no it wont , as kurdistan army is as strong as Iraq's so they cants do it alone . we were never part of iraq to begin with .

 

[ekrem]

this posts reeks of a bias and chauvinism view so i am going to ignore this one

Calling you North-East-Iraqi is no chauvinism because in North-West of Iraq live Sunni Arabs, who - like the KRG - are also deepening their vasall-relationship to Turkey.

Most of what you write may make sense, but life is no music-requesting show. It comes as it comes.

 

[Synthaholic]

13/04/2012

Turkish media sources said that Ankara agree to recognize the state of Kurdistan in Kurdish Iraq, according to several conditions.

The newspaper "Twilight News" daily: "The United States asked Turkey to recognize the state flag, because it's in their interest," adding: "Turkey may agree to this request for certain conditions."

According to the paper, the "Turkey demanded that both the United States of America and the Kurdistan Region to support its military operations against the PKK, and the closure of all outlets in front of him and give full support to Turkey in its war on this party."

It is noteworthy that senior officials in the Kurdistan Region, especially the Kurdish regional president Massoud Barzani has repeatedly asserted their willingness to cooperate with Turkey, except for the fighting and military operations against the party, and focus on dialogue and negotiations and decision-peaceful means to reach a final solution to the issue of Kurdish in Turkey.

PUKmedia

Bad choice of words, I'd say.

 

[Synthaholic]

KRG needs fighter jets to defend itself against the mullahs of Iran and al Maliki . kurds have never attacked others but also defending themselves ,

Not true. Kurdish atrocities are well-known and well-documented. Indiscriminate murder of women and children in Diyarbakir, and east of there. Terrorist tactics and activity.

Everyone should Google Abdullah Öcalan

as for PKK they just want autonomy in kurdish region of turkey which they have a right t .

They have NO RIGHT to Turkish land. None.

This is like Mexicans saying that they have a right to southern Texas.

 

[ekrem]

North-Iraq isn't only KRG or Kurds.
There are also Sunni Arabs.

Election results of Iraqiya-bloc.
Turkey is patron of them according to Iraq's defense minister between 2003-2006
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/01/02/opinion/how-iraq-can-define-its-destiny.html?_r=1

What you call "Kurdistan independence" is just a subplot of Iraq being divided between Iran and Turkey into influence zones.
The KRG falling into Turkey's influence zone and the KRG being able to act "independent" from Baghdad (export Oil without Baghdad's consent).

 

[JStone]

North-Iraq isn't only KRG or Kurds.
There are also Sunni Arabs.

Election results of Iraqiya-bloc.
Turkey is patron of them according to Iraq's defense minister between 2003-2006
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/01/02/opinion/how-iraq-can-define-its-destiny.html?_r=1

What you call "Kurdistan independence" is just a subplot of Iraq being divided between Iran and Turkey into influence zones.
The KRG falling into Turkey's influence zone and the KRG being able to act "independent" from Baghdad (export Oil without Baghdad's consent).

The world was far more civilized when there were Christians in Constantinople and not muslimes in istanbul

 

[ekrem]

US cant come and say here is your independence ... we will hold a refereundum and proclaim it then it is up to those who want to built relations on mutual interests , as i can see your government has decided to look the other way when it happens.

Like the referendum about Kirkuk (Article 140 of Iraqi constitution), that was supposed to happen in 2007, but was scrapped ?

I can understand your "nationalism", but it doesn't work the way you like it to have. The N.Iraq situation is just one part of what else is going on in the region.

 

[High_Gravity]

no it wont , as kurdistan army is as strong as Iraq's so they cants do it alone . we were never part of iraq to begin with .

I agree.

 

[High_Gravity]

North-Iraq isn't only KRG or Kurds.
There are also Sunni Arabs.

Election results of Iraqiya-bloc.
Turkey is patron of them according to Iraq's defense minister between 2003-2006
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/01/02/opinion/how-iraq-can-define-its-destiny.html?_r=1

What you call "Kurdistan independence" is just a subplot of Iraq being divided between Iran and Turkey into influence zones.
The KRG falling into Turkey's influence zone and the KRG being able to act "independent" from Baghdad (export Oil without Baghdad's consent).

The funny thing is I bet those Sunni Arabs would much rather live under a peaceful Kurdistan than under the Shite dominated government in Baghdad.

 

[kirkuki]

KRG needs fighter jets to defend itself against the mullahs of Iran and al Maliki . kurds have never attacked others but also defending themselves ,

Not true. Kurdish atrocities are well-known and well-documented. Indiscriminate murder of women and children in Diyarbakir, and east of there. Terrorist tactics and activity.

Everyone should Google Abdullah Öcalan[/quote

everyone Google or youtube Turkish attack on civilian kurds.

as for PKK they just want autonomy in kurdish region of turkey which they have a right t .

They have NO RIGHT to Turkish land. None.

This is like Mexicans saying that they have a right to southern Texas.

"kurds" have a right to their land , they dont need turks to rule over them , they can do it themselves , look at KRG .

 

[kirkuki]

iraq just like Joe Biden suggested will be divided into the states , Kurdistan , middle iraq and south iraq.