Turkey is attacking the Kurds, who were risking their lives for the US just last week..

[Weatherman2020]

Turkey was a good ally, then they went full Islamofascist and no longer an ally of the West.

Russia is using Turkish airspace and Bosphorus straits to cement their presence in Syria.
Iran is doing what it wants in the Middle-East despite sanctions.
How you're going to meaningfully sanction Iran when the region's biggest economy (Turkey) is still doing business with them ?
The USA alligning with Israel, Saudi-Arabia, PKK didn't prevent any of that.

Everything the USA did in the last 16 years in the Middle-East was against Turkish interests.
Turkey borders Iran, Iraq, Syria.
All fucked up either by US war or US sanctions.
As a result: no significant trade, refugees etc.

What the gravest mistake was the USA allying with the PKK, training PKK, sending shitloads of weapons to PKK.
As a result Turkey began to work with Iran and Russia.
Now you pay a price.
All this sanction talk is bullshit, once the dust settles USA will work with Turkey.
If you don't Iran and Russia will increase their ifluence at the expense of USA, just like it is happening now in Syria.

Now you warmongers want us to invade Turkey.

 

[ekrem]

Now you warmongers want us to invade Turkey.

Turkey has a different topography than Israel, Iraq, Syria, Egypt, Saudi-Arabia etc.
Those nations are basically flat desert nations.
Turkey is all mountains, no mechanized force can invade Turkey, only by airlifting.

 

[Crixus]

We can do that without US troops there.

And we can withdraw without selling the Kurds to slaughter on a few hours notice. If you want to be taken seriously, you will have to admit this.

No I don't because it's bullshit. Read your history and then you realize that you spout stupid shit. This will get you started. That or just parrot the drivel you get told by your favored news outlet. We have already seen this movie before. The Kurds were already supposed to be exterminated.


The 1991 uprisings in Iraq were a series of popular rebellions in northern and southern Iraq in March and April 1991 in a ceasefire of the Persian Gulf War. The mostly uncoordinated insurgency, often referred to as the Sha'aban Intifada among Arabs and as the National Uprising among Kurds, was fueled by the perception that then Iraqi President Saddam Hussein was responsible for systemic social repression and had become vulnerable to regime change. This perception of weakness was largely the result of the outcome of two prior wars: the Iran–Iraq War and the invasion of Kuwait, both of which occurred within a single decade and devastated the economy and population of Iraq.

 

[EvilCat Breath]

Turkey was a good ally, then they went full Islamofascist and no longer an ally of the West.

Russia is using Turkish airspace and Bosphorus straits to cement their presence in Syria.
Iran is doing what it wants in the Middle-East despite sanctions.
How you're going to meaningfully sanction Iran when the region's biggest economy (Turkey) is still doing business with them ?
The USA alligning with Israel, Saudi-Arabia, PKK didn't prevent any of that.

Everything the USA did in the last 16 years in the Middle-East was against Turkish interests.
Turkey borders Iran, Iraq, Syria.
All fucked up either by US war or US sanctions.
As a result: no significant trade, refugees etc.

What the gravest mistake was the USA allying with the PKK, training PKK, sending shitloads of weapons to PKK.
As a result Turkey began to work with Iran and Russia.
Now you pay a price.
All this sanction talk is bullshit, once the dust settles USA will work with Turkey.
If you don't Iran and Russia will increase their ifluence at the expense of USA, just like it is happening now in Syria.

Now you warmongers want us to invade Turkey.

And incidentally go to war with the other NATO countries.

 

[pismoe]

Trump the draft Dodger has no respect for the lives lost and the act of a consistent ally.
Thousands of Kurds lost their lives while fighting by US forces in the fight against ISIS.. And this how Trump rewards them.
Trump the draft dodger has the blood of the Kurds on his hands.
Trump: ‘I will totally destroy the economy’

Grab a gun and go help them, brave boy.

Why do you want the US military to manipulate and conquer indigenous peoples in a Third World country?

We’ve been doing that for decades asshole. Till your inept POTUS made is impotent.

Since you don’t have a clue. The Kurds helped us fight the ISIS that Trump claimed victory.

---------------------------------------- seems to me that the 'kurds' also fought 'isis' because of Self Interest didn't they Charwin ??

The US asked the Kurds for help. FACT.
The death ratio in defeating ISIS was over 10,000 Kurds to 8 Americans. While Trump goes around patting himself on the back saying he defeated ISIS (like he did again today), he puts the Kurds in an ethic cleansing danger.
The Americans fighters who fought ISIS with the Kurds basically agree, Trump stabbed the Kurds in the back.
But go ahead, support a draft dodger instead of those who gave their lives, so fewer American fighters would die.
Little Trumpsters are so blind to reality, they just say and do what their hero wants. What's it like not having a mind of your own and no backbone?

---------------------------------- looks like it was the 'kurds' job to be 'cannon fodder' 0r 'human shields if your rendition of events is accurate . Just be happy that they weren't 'aussies' or 'new zealanders' eh Kiwiman .

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

No I don't because it's bullshit.

So, let me get this straight. You are sayimg there was no other way to withdraw, wothout selling out the Kurds to Turkey on a few hours notice.

Do i have that right?

 

[Crixus]

No I don't because it's bullshit.

So, let me get this straight. You are sayimg there was no other way to withdraw, wothout selling out the Kurds to Turkey on a few hours notice.

Do i have that right?

The Kurds were told to leave. They were told we were leaving. This was in the news a looong time ago. You make it sound like they were holding hands and watching a movie and all of a sudden we said "bye". They knew this was coming. They were given a shit ton of bullets, beans and band aids as well as a shit ton of training. What was the point of all that if it was (as Obama said) not going to be a forever thing? See, you don't give two shits about Kirds being killed. You just change channels. What your doing is using the Kurds being killed as a way to say trump sucks. Other then that, you don't waste a thought on them. At least be honest about it. The few hours notice thing is just a lie.

 

[charwin95]

No. Trump can just leave as it is with only 50 US troops in there..And you would not be defending Trump ineptness.

So you wanted Trump to risk US Troops against the forces of a NATO ally.

If he did that you would have bitched about THAT.

TDS in full effect.

Did the NATO ally go to NATO and tell them what he planned to do? And why in the heck would going in to Syria to set up this buffer zone be okay? Should he have used his own land to set up a buffer zone instead of another's country?

WHY are you defending this...?

Because it's their fight not ours.

We were not doing the fighting, we had the Kurds do the fighting towards ISIS, they lost over 10,000 men, we were simply training them and arming them in their fight of ISIS.

We can do that without US troops there. Other NATO countries can go there and help train and arm them. But to what end do we do that? What's the end goal? At what point do they take that training and those weapons and apply them to their cause? This all could have been avoided if polititions were honest. When Obama sent guys there he would have explained why, as well as why they would have to stay there for longer then 10 years. That place is a mess and we need to get out of it.

Either way how you look at it or how much you want to defend this rotten policy. Its sucks.

1. Then why can’t we have a good transition with NATO to take over? Instead of just giving Endrogan the go signal to invade. At the same abandoning a close ally.

2. Obama and the coalition sent special ops in that region to fight ISIS with the help Kurds as the front lines. Obama was the primary reason why ISIS was defeated. Very smart how he avoided and save US casualties using the Kurds.

Trump bragged and taking the credits.

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

The Kurds were told to leave. They were told we were leaving. This was in the news a looong time ago.

Aa was the agreement that we would leave this small contongent in the area. That agreement was still in place. Until, suddenly, it wasnt.

Youre not going to get around this. You are claiming there was no other way, rhen to abandon our allies to slaughter (and into the arms of our enemies) on no notice. I just do not agree.

 

[charwin95]

No I don't because it's bullshit.

So, let me get this straight. You are sayimg there was no other way to withdraw, wothout selling out the Kurds to Turkey on a few hours notice.

Do i have that right?

The Kurds were told to leave. They were told we were leaving. This was in the news a looong time ago. You make it sound like they were holding hands and watching a movie and all of a sudden we said "bye". They knew this was coming. They were given a shit ton of bullets, beans and band aids as well as a shit ton of training. What was the point of all that if it was (as Obama said) not going to be a forever thing? See, you don't give two shits about Kirds being killed. You just change channels. What your doing is using the Kurds being killed as a way to say trump sucks. Other then that, you don't waste a thought on them. At least be honest about it. The few hours notice thing is just a lie.

Where did you get all that information?

Where do you think the Kurds are going?
If Trump just leave the 50 US soldiers that are inside the Kurds territories. You wouldn’t be defending a garbage Trump foreign policy.
We would not be witnessing an human atrocities in the making purposely done by Trump ineptness.

 

[Crixus]

The Kurds were told to leave. They were told we were leaving. This was in the news a looong time ago.

Aa was the agreement that we would leave this small contongent in the area. That agreement was still in place. Until, suddenly, it wasnt.

Youre not going to get around this. You are claiming there was no other way, rhen to abandon our allies to slaughter (and into the arms of our enemies) on no notice. I just do not agree.

The Kurds are only allies when they need our stuff. They are enemies when they don't need our stuff. What were we supposed to do, stay forever. Assad won the civil was in Syria. Period. He won it awhile ago. Over time his guys would have gotten to the Kurds. We're we supposed to get cozy with Assad? Meh, let Russia have it.

 

[Crixus]

So you wanted Trump to risk US Troops against the forces of a NATO ally.

If he did that you would have bitched about THAT.

TDS in full effect.

Did the NATO ally go to NATO and tell them what he planned to do? And why in the heck would going in to Syria to set up this buffer zone be okay? Should he have used his own land to set up a buffer zone instead of another's country?

WHY are you defending this...?

Because it's their fight not ours.

We were not doing the fighting, we had the Kurds do the fighting towards ISIS, they lost over 10,000 men, we were simply training them and arming them in their fight of ISIS.

We can do that without US troops there. Other NATO countries can go there and help train and arm them. But to what end do we do that? What's the end goal? At what point do they take that training and those weapons and apply them to their cause? This all could have been avoided if polititions were honest. When Obama sent guys there he would have explained why, as well as why they would have to stay there for longer then 10 years. That place is a mess and we need to get out of it.

Either way how you look at it or how much you want to defend this rotten policy. Its sucks.

1. Then why can’t we have a good transition with NATO to take over? Instead of just giving Endrogan the go signal to invade. At the same abandoning a close ally.

2. Obama and the coalition sent special ops in that region to fight ISIS with the help Kurds as the front lines. Obama was the primary reason why ISIS was defeated. Very smart how he avoided and save US casualties using the Kurds.

Trump bragged and taking the credits.

Troops never should have been sent there.

 

[Crixus]

No I don't because it's bullshit.

So, let me get this straight. You are sayimg there was no other way to withdraw, wothout selling out the Kurds to Turkey on a few hours notice.

Do i have that right?

The Kurds were told to leave. They were told we were leaving. This was in the news a looong time ago. You make it sound like they were holding hands and watching a movie and all of a sudden we said "bye". They knew this was coming. They were given a shit ton of bullets, beans and band aids as well as a shit ton of training. What was the point of all that if it was (as Obama said) not going to be a forever thing? See, you don't give two shits about Kirds being killed. You just change channels. What your doing is using the Kurds being killed as a way to say trump sucks. Other then that, you don't waste a thought on them. At least be honest about it. The few hours notice thing is just a lie.

Where did you get all that information?

Where do you think the Kurds are going?
If Trump just leave the 50 US soldiers that are inside the Kurds territories. You wouldn’t be defending a garbage Trump foreign policy.
We would not be witnessing an human atrocities in the making purposely done by Trump ineptness.

That was retarded.

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

The Kurds are only allies when they need our stuff.

And vice versa. That's how alliances work.

What were we supposed to do, stay forever.

Clearly there are other options besides 1) staying forever, and 2) leaving the Kurds to slaughter on no notice.

That's literally been my point in every post to you, yet you keep saying this.

 

[Crixus]

The Kurds are only allies when they need our stuff.

And vice versa. Well done son, you just figured out how an alliance works! Good for you. You're a big boy, now!

Means shit coming from you. So you say it's ok if Kurds get blown to shit as long as our guys sit there and watch, but it's bad if they have to watch on TV instead? Like I said, you give two shits about those people. Had anyone other then Trump pulls the troops you would be saying how smart it was. Honestly, this wasn't enough. Our troops should be pulled out of Afghanistan to. That would be meaningful. In the end, Assad will move In and settle Syria and it will go back to what it was. Same thing in Afghanistan. The taliban will have full control of the country in the end. And what did we spend on all of it? How many dead? And for what? Today's Kurds are tomorrow suicide bombers. Fuck'em.

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

So you say it's ok if Kurds get blown to shit as long as our guys sit there and watch, but it's bad if they have to watch on TV instead?

No, and those are truly idiotic words to try to put in my mouth. There is a reason Turkey had not invaded, and that was our agreement to be there. That's also why the Russians weren't occupying our outposts, like they are now. Then, the agreement disappeared, with no notice to our allies, the Kurds. And that was a very stupid move. very stupid.

I wonder what the great dealmaker got for his blowjob to Erdogan? Any guesses?

 

[irosie91]

Turkey is attacking the Kurds, who were risking their lives for the US just last week..

I'm against the pullout, but you're a complete ignoramus if you think the Kurds were fighting to protect the US.

why should the Kurds fight to "PROTECT THE USA" -----did the brits fight to protect the USA during world war II?

 

[Care4all]

Troops never should have been sent there.

but they were sent there, and these troops busted their butts to train and supply and built friendships with the Kurds for them to fight off ISIS...

Trump back stabbed every one except Putin and Erdogan, including Israel and Allies in the venture with us, the Kurds, all of Europe, and he backed stabbed our Military and the US citizen's future safety by none of our allies being willing to help us in the future because they see us as betrayers, and has likely ripped open a hornet's nest in the middle east....

We could have eventually left Syria, if he done this in a well advised, planned manner, without all of this madness and chaos, and death.

 

[Crixus]

Troops never should have been sent there.

but they were sent there, and these troops busted their butts to train and supply and built friendships with the Kurds for them to fight off ISIS...

Trump back stabbed every one except Putin and Erdogan, including Israel and Allies in the venture with us, the Kurds, all of Europe, and he backed stabbed our Military and the US citizen's future safety by none of our allies being willing to help us in the future because they see us as betrayers, and has likely ripped open a hornet's nest in the middle east....

We could have eventually left Syria, if he done this in a well advised, planned manner, without all of this madness and chaos, and death.

First off, the mission of the United States military is not to make friends and build relationships. It's mission is to bust shit and kill the fuck out of bad guys. Second, those special ops guys should know better then anyone that they go where they are told and to leave when they are told. Their input is not required.


Assad won his war. It's on him and his allies to deal with Turkey, not ours. Still, this was a meaningless as far as ending all the wars. 10 years the Kurds have gotten really good stuff from us. Now it's time for them to take care of them selves.


Same thing in Afghanistan. If Trump wasn't talking out his ass he would have pulled out of there. 20 years our troops have been there. I had a son there. And for what? So the political elite can make money? Fuck that. The Taliban will have it again. They already have most of it. Fuck them to. Time to bring the troops home. All of them.

 

[HaShev]

We can do that without US troops there.

And we can withdraw without selling the Kurds to slaughter on a few hours notice. If you want to be taken seriously, you will have to admit this.

Obama’s war. You go fight it brave boy.

*L* if Fort is as good on the battlefield as they are in here, they'd probably shoot themselves in the foot and ask to go home with a purple heart for getting a boo-boo on their little toesy. *L*