Trumps purpose was never a Muslim ban

[beagle9]

He would be if ever a Middle East Christian shouted "Jesus is Great" before blowing himself and others up in a crowded mall, or fly planes into tall buildings.

Muslims didn't fly planes into our buildings.

. No, but Muslims from countries fighting currently is at hand, and vetting people coming from war zones or countries that have little vetting procedures or security practices in that respect could pose a huge problem.

 

[JoeMoma]

When he tries to pass a total ban on muslims, then let the Judge block THAT! When THAT actually happens. Meanwhile, while he's trying to pass a temporary ban, all you guys need to grow up.

No ban tonight, no ban tonight, no ban tonight...

...you ain't got no, ban to depend on, ya ya ya...

Do you ever attend parades?

 

[Auld Phart]

He would be if ever a Middle East Christian shouted "Jesus is Great" before blowing himself and others up in a crowded mall, or fly planes into tall buildings.

Muslims didn't fly planes into our buildings.

Was it the Jews?

The Irish.

IRA is known for things like that

 

[beagle9]

I've noticed where the disconnect is with conservatives and progressives on trumps statements about banning Muslims. The issue is the context.

Conservatives see Trumps statements on banning Muslim in the context he made them. Trump saw the immigration issue as a national security issue. We need to keep Jihadists from entering the country to protect ourselves. His first instinct was to ban Muslims to keep jihadists out and was foolish enough to say it because of his political inexperience. He was quickly told he couldn't do that and revised his position. Why?

Because his intent was never banning Muslims. His intent was national security. Banning Muslims was his mean to those ends until he realized he couldn't do that. Then he focused on more tailored approach.

Progressives on the other hand think his intention is to ban Muslims. Presumably because he is a hatefilled islamophobe who wants to oppress minorities or some nonsense like that. They are completely losing the obvious national security issue with jihadists.

To conservatives his foolish statements were a means to an end: national security. Why? Because that's the context the statements were made. To progressives his statements were the ends and he is going to implement them by any means.

But trump never cared about banning Muslims in and of itself. Here are five reasons at prove that:

1) the context he made his statements were always wit national security in mind.

2) his executive order does not attempt to ban Muslims or any other group based on religion. it does not even attempt to apply to all muslims

3) it applies to all people in the affected countries regardless to religious iviewpoints

4) removing Iraq from the list when they complied with what the administration requested shows they never cared about banning Muslims.

5) the order has always been temporary, which makes no sense if the purpose was secretly to ban Muslims.

You can't get around Trump's own words:

Trump:

"Donald J. Trump is calling for a complete and total shutdown of Muslims entering the United States until our country's representatives can figure out what the hell is going on."

Former New York mayor Rudy W. Giuliani said President Trump wanted a “Muslim ban” and requested he assemble a commission to show him “the right way to do it legally.”


In the first Muslim ban
The order also says that the administration should "prioritize refugee claims made by individuals on the basis of religious-based persecution, provided that the religion of the individual is a minority religion in the individual's country of nationality"

So ISIS isn't slaughtering Christians?

ISIS is slaughtering a lot of people including a shitload of Muslims who happen to be the wrong brand.

. It's all about vetting.. Good grief...

 

[Billo_Really]

Was it the Jews?

Nope. FBI credit card records show the 19 hijackers went out partying every night, using their credit cards on hookers, coke and lots and lots of booze.

People who are Islamic faith, don't do any of that.

 

[Coyote]

He would be if ever a Middle East Christian shouted "Jesus is Great" before blowing himself and others up in a crowded mall, or fly planes into tall buildings.

Muslims didn't fly planes into our buildings.

The hell they didn't. Who do you think did then?

Terrorists.

Radical Islamic (a subset of Muslems ) Terrorists!

Terrorists.

Like...the radical subset of Christians that bomb abortion clinics and murder doctors.

Terrorists.

 

[JoeMoma]

I've noticed where the disconnect is with conservatives and progressives on trumps statements about banning Muslims. The issue is the context.

Conservatives see Trumps statements on banning Muslim in the context he made them. Trump saw the immigration issue as a national security issue. We need to keep Jihadists from entering the country to protect ourselves. His first instinct was to ban Muslims to keep jihadists out and was foolish enough to say it because of his political inexperience. He was quickly told he couldn't do that and revised his position. Why?

Because his intent was never banning Muslims. His intent was national security. Banning Muslims was his mean to those ends until he realized he couldn't do that. Then he focused on more tailored approach.

Progressives on the other hand think his intention is to ban Muslims. Presumably because he is a hatefilled islamophobe who wants to oppress minorities or some nonsense like that. They are completely losing the obvious national security issue with jihadists.

To conservatives his foolish statements were a means to an end: national security. Why? Because that's the context the statements were made. To progressives his statements were the ends and he is going to implement them by any means.

But trump never cared about banning Muslims in and of itself. Here are five reasons at prove that:

1) the context he made his statements were always wit national security in mind.

2) his executive order does not attempt to ban Muslims or any other group based on religion. it does not even attempt to apply to all muslims

3) it applies to all people in the affected countries regardless to religious iviewpoints

4) removing Iraq from the list when they complied with what the administration requested shows they never cared about banning Muslims.

5) the order has always been temporary, which makes no sense if the purpose was secretly to ban Muslims.

You can't get around Trump's own words:

Trump:

"Donald J. Trump is calling for a complete and total shutdown of Muslims entering the United States until our country's representatives can figure out what the hell is going on."

Former New York mayor Rudy W. Giuliani said President Trump wanted a “Muslim ban” and requested he assemble a commission to show him “the right way to do it legally.”


In the first Muslim ban
The order also says that the administration should "prioritize refugee claims made by individuals on the basis of religious-based persecution, provided that the religion of the individual is a minority religion in the individual's country of nationality"

So ISIS isn't slaughtering Christians?

ISIS is slaughtering a lot of people including a shitload of Muslims who happen to be the wrong brand.

True, but a dodge of the question.

 

[Billo_Really]

The Irish.

IRA is known for things like that

Hey, I'm Irish! And they don't do it anymore.

 

[Coyote]

He would be if ever a Middle East Christian shouted "Jesus is Great" before blowing himself and others up in a crowded mall, or fly planes into tall buildings.

Muslims didn't fly planes into our buildings.

. No, but Muslims from countries fighting currently is at hand, and vetting people coming from war zones or countries that have little vetting procedures or security practices in that respect could pose a huge problem.

Why would Iran be on the list then?

 

[Marion Morrison]

What if it was a letting in Christian refugees from Syria plan?

 

[Billo_Really]

Terrorists.

Like...the radical subset of Christians that bomb abortion clinics and murder doctors.

Terrorists.

You go, girl! If these guys want a ban so bad, I say ban'em from the thread. That's what John Wayne would do.

 

[Coyote]

I've noticed where the disconnect is with conservatives and progressives on trumps statements about banning Muslims. The issue is the context.

Conservatives see Trumps statements on banning Muslim in the context he made them. Trump saw the immigration issue as a national security issue. We need to keep Jihadists from entering the country to protect ourselves. His first instinct was to ban Muslims to keep jihadists out and was foolish enough to say it because of his political inexperience. He was quickly told he couldn't do that and revised his position. Why?

Because his intent was never banning Muslims. His intent was national security. Banning Muslims was his mean to those ends until he realized he couldn't do that. Then he focused on more tailored approach.

Progressives on the other hand think his intention is to ban Muslims. Presumably because he is a hatefilled islamophobe who wants to oppress minorities or some nonsense like that. They are completely losing the obvious national security issue with jihadists.

To conservatives his foolish statements were a means to an end: national security. Why? Because that's the context the statements were made. To progressives his statements were the ends and he is going to implement them by any means.

But trump never cared about banning Muslims in and of itself. Here are five reasons at prove that:

1) the context he made his statements were always wit national security in mind.

2) his executive order does not attempt to ban Muslims or any other group based on religion. it does not even attempt to apply to all muslims

3) it applies to all people in the affected countries regardless to religious iviewpoints

4) removing Iraq from the list when they complied with what the administration requested shows they never cared about banning Muslims.

5) the order has always been temporary, which makes no sense if the purpose was secretly to ban Muslims.

You can't get around Trump's own words:

Trump:

"Donald J. Trump is calling for a complete and total shutdown of Muslims entering the United States until our country's representatives can figure out what the hell is going on."

Former New York mayor Rudy W. Giuliani said President Trump wanted a “Muslim ban” and requested he assemble a commission to show him “the right way to do it legally.”


In the first Muslim ban
The order also says that the administration should "prioritize refugee claims made by individuals on the basis of religious-based persecution, provided that the religion of the individual is a minority religion in the individual's country of nationality"

So ISIS isn't slaughtering Christians?

ISIS is slaughtering a lot of people including a shitload of Muslims who happen to be the wrong brand.

True, but a dodge of the question.

Not at all. Why should some victimes be prioritized over others simply because of religion? And - ONLY persecution if it's a MINORITY religion - so Muslims persecuted by ISIS wouldn't qualify.

Come on. It's just plain wrong.

 

[Billo_Really]

What if it was a letting in Christian refugees from Syria plan?

Can't let anyone in from Syria.

 

[FJO]

He would be if ever a Middle East Christian shouted "Jesus is Great" before blowing himself and others up in a crowded mall, or fly planes into tall buildings.

Muslims didn't fly planes into our buildings.

Was it the Jews?

The Irish.

IRA is known for things like that

You mean the WAS known for things like that.

The Irish people reconciled their differences, like normal people usually do. The word "normal", sadly, excludes extreme Islamist terrorists, who are MUSLIMS.

 

[Auld Phart]

The Irish.

IRA is known for things like that

Hey, I'm Irish! And they don't do it anymore.

Do they do it any less?

 

[JoeMoma]

Was it the Jews?

Nope. FBI credit card records show the 19 hijackers went out partying every night, using their credit cards on hookers, coke and lots and lots of booze.

People who are Islamic faith, don't do any of that.

The do if they beleive all will be forgiven once they suicide murder thousands of infedels. And the virgins....

 

[Billo_Really]

Do they do it any less?

I'll take the 5th on that.

 

[task0778]

The Irish.

IRA is known for things like that

Hey, I'm Irish! And they don't do it anymore.

And they don't do it here, never did. I don't give a damn if the Sunnis and the Shiites blow each other up and shoot the shit out of each other from now to kingdom come as long as they have their war over there. It's when they bring it over here that I begin to have a problem.

 

[beagle9]

He would be if ever a Middle East Christian shouted "Jesus is Great" before blowing himself and others up in a crowded mall, or fly planes into tall buildings.

Muslims didn't fly planes into our buildings.

The hell they didn't. Who do you think did then?

Terrorists.

Radical Islamic (a subset of Muslems ) Terrorists!

Terrorists.

Like...the radical subset of Christians that bomb abortion clinics and murder doctors.

Terrorists.

. Not Christians.. You can hang that label on those who kill in the name of this or that, but you don't know who agree's or disagree's with these things.

 

[Billo_Really]

The do if they beleive all will be forgiven once they suicide murder thousands of infedels. And the virgins....

How many virgins?