Trumps Challenge? When our Framers said “people” are we sure they meant alien enemies present without consent?

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When they titled the Preamble with We The PEOPLE Of The United States of America did they really mean We The People And Alien Enemies Of The United States Of America.
The 2A reads:
A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the PEOPLE to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.
Did they really mean…..A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the PEOPLE And Alien Enemies to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.
Shouldn’t common sense tell us the that “PEOPLE” is synonymous with CITIZENS as used by the Framers in the context of the Constitution?

If PEOPLE and alien enemies are synonymous why can’t alien enemies buy guns and vote?
 
The extent of due process for aliens present in the United States may vary depending upon [the alien’s] status and circumstance

Zadvydas, 533 U.S. at 694.
 
I think you are transposing the words "people" and "persons".

No one has any issue with the word "people".

Many of us do have an issue with democrats interpreting the word "persons" to include illegals instead of just "citizens".

I see that the OP is correctly excluding illegals when the Constitution uses the word "people", so why wouldn't they exclude illegals when the framers used the word "persons"?
 
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When they titled the Preamble with We The PEOPLE Of The United States of America did they really mean We The People And Alien Enemies Of The United States Of America.
The 2A reads:
A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the PEOPLE to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.
Did they really mean…..A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the PEOPLE And Alien Enemies to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.
Shouldn’t common sense tell us the that “PEOPLE” is synonymous with CITIZENS as used by the Framers in the context of the Constitution?

If PEOPLE and alien enemies are synonymous why can’t alien enemies buy guns and vote?
what i cant get from people who are against the 2nd is i asked them ...who are those PEOPLE mentioned?.....i have yet to get an answer....
 
I think you are transposing the words "people" and "persons".

No one has any issue with the word "people".

Many of us do have an issue with democrats interpreting the word "persons" to include illegals instead of just "citizens"

Are you implying that the Bill of Rights only applies to citizens?
 
I think you are transposing the words "people" and "persons".

No one has any issue with the word "people".

Many of us do have an issue with democrats interpreting the word "persons" to include illegals instead of just "citizens"
People, persons and citizens…different words but all synonymous in the context of the Constitution.
 
what i cant get from people who are against the 2nd is i asked them ...who are those PEOPLE mentioned?.....i have yet to get an answer....
It only makes sense to consider Framer intent and assume PEOPLE refers to citizens.
We The People Of The United States Of America…The Preamble does not read We The People Of The World Standing On U.S. Soil
 
It only makes sense to consider Framer intent and assume PEOPLE refers to citizens.
We The People Of The United States Of America…The Preamble does not read We The People Of The World Standing On U.S. Soil
as far as i am concerned if any non citizens want to get what we get then go down and say you want to become a citizen and start the process....otherwise tough shit....
 
The citizens that after 1787 changed views or the would have mentioned illegal immigration beyond Article III.
 
When they titled the Preamble with We The PEOPLE Of The United States of America did they really mean We The People And Alien Enemies Of The United States Of America.
The 2A reads:
A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the PEOPLE to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.
Did they really mean…..A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the PEOPLE And Alien Enemies to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.
Shouldn’t common sense tell us the that “PEOPLE” is synonymous with CITIZENS as used by the Framers in the context of the Constitution?

If PEOPLE and alien enemies are synonymous why can’t alien enemies buy guns and vote?
The Founders were not opposed to immigration, but they were quite leery of 'foreigners' corrupting and changing America into something they did not want or intend. They had a large new country to populate and it would require immigration to accomplish that. They wanted the USA to be a refuge for the oppressed and persecuted of other countries but that did not mean that they did expect standards for those who immigrated here and especially those who would become naturalized citizens.

". . .Alexander Hamilton wrote that: “the influx of foreigners must, therefore, tend to … change and corrupt the national spirit,” he was not writing about immigration (the act of moving to a new land) but rather about naturalization (the process of becoming a citizen). This statement was part of Hamilton’s argument for requiring foreigners to live in America for five years before they could apply for citizenship and gain the right to vote. He concluded his argument with this statement:

“Some reasonable term ought to be allowed to enable aliens to get rid of foreign and acquire American attachments; to learn the principles and imbibe the spirit of our government; and to admit of at least a probability of their feeling a real interest in our affairs. A residence of at least five years. . ."

". . .Similarly, James Madison said that we should invite “the worthy part of mankind to come and settle amongst us,” that the goal of this invitation was “to increase the wealth and strength of the community,” and that those not adding to the wealth and strength of the community “are not the people we are in want of.” In all of these statements, Madison was speaking of naturalization and not of immigration. In fact, Madison introduced these statements with the explanation that:

“When we are considering the advantages that may result from an easy mode of naturalization, we ought also to consider the cautions necessary to guard against abuses.”. .

And it is important to remember there was no welfare or charity of any kind deemed constitutional by the Founders. All who came were expected to be able to feed, clothe and house themselves etc. when they arrived. And uncontrolled immigration was not a good thing.

". . .it was Madison who said (paraphrasing here) what we allow immigrants by favor, not right. This means they don't have any right to be allowed to enter. We have the obligation to protect our nation and serve its interests first. . ."
 
Every single word in ALL of our founding docs were written for Americans by Americans.
So a non-citizen does not have a right to a trial, right to be represented in court, right to remain silent, can be subjected to cruel and unusual punishment?

Justice in Conservative America
 
Are you implying that the Bill of Rights only applies to citizens?
Get rid of the huge taxes we have going towards this agenda and people benefiting from it and you will see quite a difference in attitudes on us all.
 
Get rid of the huge taxes we have going towards this agenda and people benefiting from it and you will see quite a difference in attitudes on us all.
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Our founding docs are examined by SCOTUS, not broke loser.

Immigrants, legal or not, are subject to US jurisdiction as are citizens, without exceptions.
 
I believe the Bill of Rights did apply to those legally authorized to be in the United States. I am pretty darn sure it did not refer to invaders with no legal right to be here.
The Bill of Rights does not exclude anyone who is subject to US jurisdiction.
 
The Bill of Rights does not exclude anyone who is subject to US jurisdiction.
It is competently argued that citizens of other countries, unless they have applied and received permission to be here, are not under U.S. jurisdiction. They are under the jurisdiction of whatever country they came from. And even when non citizens have permission to be here, they do not enjoy all the same protections citizens do. A non citizen who breaks the law can be deported. A citizen cannot.
 
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