Trump took the Most Sensitive documents possible

[Thunk]

If these documents are sooooo SUPER SECRET...How does reuters know all about every one of them?

 

[Lesh]

What is an indictment?

You need that explained to you troll?

 

[Billiejeens]

Your dodging and weaving is not going to hide the fact you have not read it and can't answer my question.

After resisting for over a year, Trump finally voluntarily turned over 197 classified documents he had in his possession, along with several boxes of other government property. Biden turned over ALL the classified documents and government property he had in his possession, and allowed his property to be searched.

Is Trump being indicted for possessing any of those 197 classified documents or boxes?

What is an indictment?

 

[Billiejeens]

You need that explained to you troll?

Yes, please.
If you know.

 

[Lesh]

If these documents are sooooo SUPER SECRET...How does reuters know all about every one of them?

One more time stupid… they are described in the indictment

Jesus you people are fucking stupid

 

[g5000]

Is Trump being indicted for possessing any of those 197 classified documents or boxes?

The answer to this question which the tards have been unable to answer is, no. Trump is not being indicted for possessing the 197 classified documents and the boxes he voluntarily turned over to the government.

So the "B-b-b-b-b-b-but Biden!" fallacy is exploded into smithereens.

 

[g5000]

Gosh, since you have all been caught asking stupid questions you would not have asked had you read the indictment, maybe you should read it!

But you won't

1. It's longer than an all caps Truth Social post.

2. It would explode your delusions and put your mental health in crisis.

Sad.

 

[excalibur]

Presidential Records Act v. Espionage Act: The Presidential Records Act of 1978 (PRA), 44 U.S.C. §§ 2201 through 2209, generally controls the handling of the President's records. Generally, records created or received by the President or this White House staff are presidential records.

This includes classified records sent to advise the President or his White House staff. Before the Presidential Records Act, Presidents owned their presidential records. Congress changed the law after Nixon won a legal fight on this issue.

After the Presidential Records Act, the U.S. government owns Presidents' presidential records. Per the 2012 Obama judge ruling in the Clinton sock-drawer case, where President Clinton stuffed 8 years of highly classified audio recordings of his presidency in his sock drawer (see picture 1 below), the President solely decides what are: - "personal" (belong to him) v. - "presidential records" (belong to government).

And if the President doesn't designate them as presidential records and then takes them when he leaves office, they are deemed personal records. (Read news story and linked opinion here: https://justthenews.com/politics-policy/all-things-trump/old-case-over-audio-tapes-bill-clintons-sock-drawer-could-impact).

But even if people think this 2012 Obama judge ruling protecting Clinton is incorrect or Trump (somehow) shouldn't have the benefit of this ruling (because they hate and fear Trump): "[T]he Presidential records of a former President shall be available to such former President or the former President's designated representative." 44 U.S.C. § 2205(3) (see picture 2 below). Former Presidents do not have the right to have any classified record they want. But they have the absolute statutory right to have (not own) their presidential records, classified or not.

There is no criminal component to the Presidential Records Act. Disputes are settled with negotiations and civil lawsuits. Not unprecedented and unlawful raid and indictments. How can Trump violate the Espionage Act for retaining his presidential records he is allowed to have (not own) under the Presidential Records Act?

Garland must allege and prove more than mere retention, in order to charge a former president for espionage for having his presidential records he's allowed to have (not own) under the Presidential Records Act. One way a court may attempt to harmonize the Presidential Records Act with the Espionage Act is requiring the government to allege and prove the former President intended to cause "injury to the United States or aid to a foreign nation result from the disclosures." United States v. Rosen, 520 F. Supp. 2d 786, 793 (E.D. Va. 2007).

There is zero evidence--not even an allegation--Trump intended to harm America by retaining his presidential records. It is not a crime to be a jerk. It is not "espionage" to fight with librarians and other bureaucrats. We do not send former presidents, who happen to be your boss's chief political enemy, to die in prison over presidential-records disputes. This is one key reason Garland's indictment of Trump is fatally flawed as a matter of law.​

 

[Thunk]

One more time stupid… they are described on the indictment

Jesus you people are fucking stupid

So they are so super above top secret that the whole world can read about them in the indictment?

I haven't heard one THAT rich since Trump made a super-man leap thru the limmo window to grab the steering wheel

 

[Billiejeens]

One more time stupid… they are described in the indictment

Jesus you people are fucking stupid

What is an indictment?

 

[g5000]

If these documents are sooooo SUPER SECRET...How does reuters know all about every one of them?

Wow. That's at least TWO tards so far who have asked this incredibly stupid question!

Priceless.

 

[easyt65]

The only place a US Senator can see classified material at the Capitol is in a SCIF.

We have seen this ourselves as Comer and the Oversight Committee could only see the FBI's classified document in a SCIF.

Biden stole classified information dating back to 1974 ... as a SENATOR. Again, the only place SENATOR Biden had access to classified information was inside a SCIF.

For the really slow / ignorant leftists, that means BIDEN STOLE CLASSIFIED INFO FROM A SCIF.

 

[excalibur]

I see our dishonest excalibur (ironic name) tagged my post about Obama and the Secret Service with "Fake News", which is the tard version of, "Nuh-uh!" when confronted with the truth.

The funniest thing about this is that this same idiot posted a link which he thought proved Obama had records in a warehouse that were in Obama's custody. Hilariously, the dipshit didn't read his own link, and is continuing to peddle that lie despite having been debunked.

This is rank hypocrisy and dishonesty.

Here's excalibur's own link: Obama Foundation letter bolsters Trump claim that Obama has classified docs - FISM TV

And from that we have:

“The National Archives and Records Administration (NARA) assumed exclusive legal and physical custody of Obama Presidential records when President Barack Obama left office in 2017, in accordance with the Presidential Records Act (PRA),” public relations and communications officials at the National Archives said in an Aug. 12, 2022 statement, according to a Newsmax report.


BOOM! So much for the "B-b-b-b-b-b-but Obama" fallacy.


Now for the Secret Service manufactured bullshit.

From the indictment:

LOL

Yet the Obama Foundation had to pay the Archive to remove those documents to proper storage. Because it was Obama who rented the unsecure warehouse where they were stored.



Duh.

 

[g5000]

What is an indictment?

IT'S A WITCH HUNT BY VISCOUS RINOS!

 

[Lesh]

So they are so super above top secret that the whole world can read about them in the indictment?

I haven't heard one THAT rich since Trump made a super-man leap thru the limmo window to grab the steering wheel

Reading ABOUT THEM… is one thing

Actually READING THEM was what likely happened in Mara Lago

 

[g5000]

So they are so super above top secret that the whole world can read about them in the indictment?

I haven't heard one THAT rich since Trump made a super-man leap thru the limmo window to grab the steering wheel

I don't understand this tendency among you tards to double down on your stupidity like this.

 

[Billiejeens]

IT'S A WITCH HUNT BY VISCOUS RINOS!

I know that you don't know.
I just wanted to show everyone else that you don't know.
Thank you.

 

[g5000]

I know that you don't know.
I just wanted to show everyone else that you don't know.
Thank you.

Yeah, okay, kid. You go with that.

 

[Lesh]

I know that you don't know.
I just wanted to show everyone else that you don't know.
Thank you.

How about you explain what you think an indictment is.

And then explain why you think something as basic as that is a mystery

 

[Billiejeens]

Yeah, okay, kid. You go with that.

You just keep proving it.
Thanks again.