Trump Thinks His Insane Tariffs Will Generate Manufacturing Jobs....But The "Big Beautiful Bill" Actually Eliminates Manufacturing Jobs In Red States

[Jim H - VA USA]

Nobdy who supports Trump can say for sure what the tariffs are for

They are obviously for encouraging investment in American manufacturing and other business. Make it here - no tariff (duh).

 

[candycorn]

They are obviously for encouraging investment in American manufacturing and other business. Make it here - no tariff (duh).

If it costs $1.00 to produce it here and 50 cents to produce it there, we have to implement a 100% tariff balance the equation. Right? We’re currently no where near a 100% tariff anywhere. We were at $149% for a few days with China before the blob caved.

But lets say it happens...massive tarrifs are put in place.

You expect a company to spend 3-5 years building a factory here, investing tens of millions of dollars to get around a tariff that may not be there in a few days or even hours?

Its not happening.

 

[Dr. Phosphorous]

Nobdy who supports Trump can say for sure what the tariffs are for and few will admit that they are a tax that will eventually be paid by consumers.

Some say that they are to create jobs, some say that they are to get the trading nations to lower their tariffs.

The TACO approach he has will not make anyone open a factory here; thats a commitment to a policy that may go away in a few hours. Another nation lowering tariffs also does nothing to compel domestic investment.

That's why these imbecile MAGAs don't understand.

No businesses are going to invest in this country with the mentally ill Trump changing his mind about tariffs every other day.

 

[Care4all]

We can move forward with cheaper, more reliable natural gas and nuclear.

What have been the roadblocks to those, and why...?

 

[theHawk]

Most Republicans will never admit it, but Biden's 2021 Infrastructure Investment and Jobs Act was a godsend for red states. The Infrastructure Investment and Jobs Act allocated hundreds of billions of dollars for green energy projects.

These green energy jobs are now GONE...thanks to Trump's "Big, Beautiful Bill".

And most of the new green energy manufacturing projects from Biden's Infrastructure Investment and Jobs Act were in red states. Hundreds of thousands of good paying manufacturing jobs in the high-tech green energy field....GONE, overnight.

Overall, the "Big, Beautiful Bill" hurts red states more than blue states.

I thought Trump wanted to bring manufacturing back to this country with his stupid ****ing tariffs? Instead, this bill does the exact opposite. MAGA rubes....this is how Trump helps the working class???

Now, some Republican Senators such as Thom Tillis (R-NC) are greatly concerned about this, as the Washington Post article below discusses.


From the Washington Post --

In all, the bill would take away $522 billion that is scheduled to be injected into local economies across the country.

“The majority of the government spending is creating jobs and manufacturing capacity in red states,” said Jason Bordoff, the founding director of the Center on Global Energy Policy at Columbia University. “So this puts Republicans, generally and now in the Senate, in the position of having to choose whether to support the party line or maintain support for government programs that are creating a lot of economic activity in their states.”

The measure — branded by Trump as the One Big Beautiful Bill — would rapidly phase out billions of dollars of tax incentives contained in the Inflation Reduction Act, which Congress passed in 2022. Some of the tax credits would end as soon as this year. The bill also slows the shift to electric vehicles by eliminating a tax credit of up to $7,500 for their purchase.

To pass it, Trump will need votes from Senate Republicans who have championed the green subsidies in their home states.

Sen. Thom Tillis (R-North Carolina), one of the most vulnerable senators up for reelection next year, suggested Thursday that he would push for a slower phaseout of the clean energy subsidies. An immediate phaseout, he said, would “have a chilling effect” on “future investments” in the domestic energy sector.

“For companies that have made major capital deployment decisions, we need to respect that or people are going to start thinking that the United States has massive changes in policy every two years in this space, and that will be devastating to the U.S.’s current position as the innovation leader,” he said. “We’ve got to maintain that position.”

The subsidies have sparked billions of dollars’ worth of projects nationwide, but a Washington Post analysis last year found that most of the investments are flowing to red states.

In Tillis’s home state of North Carolina, the law has helped attract $23 billion in investment, according to data compiled by Atlas Public Policy and Utah State University. Forty-seven new facilities in the state — including a massive Toyota battery plant — could create about 20,000 new jobs, the data shows.

Now, analysts and advocates say, such projects could collapse or relocate abroad. The cuts also threaten the stability of the power grid, which is heavily reliant on solar and wind power.

“If this bill becomes law, America will effectively surrender the AI race to China and communities nationwide will face blackouts,” said Abigail Ross Hopper, president and CEO of the Solar Energy Industries Association, one of many groups lobbying the Senate to change course.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/2025/05/23/senate-clean-energy-tax-credits/

There were never any “green energy” jobs. Total hoax and a waste of taxpayer money.

Remember Solyndra and how much money Obama funneled them, just for them to go bankrupt?

Meanwhile US Steel has been saved thanks to President Trump.


His tariff plan is working as more and more companies are declaring plans to move manufacturing to the U.S.

But of course you can’t acknowledge reality.

 

[Dr. Phosphorous]

There were never any “green energy” jobs. Total hoax and a waste of taxpayer money.

Remember Solyndra and how much money Obama funneled them, just for them to go bankrupt?

Meanwhile US Steel has been saved thanks to President Trump.


His tariff plan is working as more and more companies are declaring plans to move manufacturing to the U.S.

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But of course you can’t acknowledge reality.

Wrong, simp. As post #1 explains.

Your mentally disturbed MAGA lies are not reality.

 

[SassyIrishLass]

That's why these imbecile MAGAs don't understand.

No businesses are going to invest in this country with the mentally ill Trump changing his mind about tariffs every other day.

Swiss pharmaceuticals company Roche picks Indiana for new plant, announces $50B investment in US over next 5 years

The investment would go toward high-tech research and development sites and new manufacturing facilities in Indiana, California, Massachusetts and Pennsylvania.

www.wthr.com

Lilly to Invest $4.5B in New Indiana Manufacturing and R&D Center

Eli Lilly’s investment in the LEAP Research and Innovation District in Lebanon, Indiana, has now jumped to more than $13 billion.

www.biospace.com

Gov. Holcomb announces generational multi-billion-dollar investment to make Indiana leader in semiconductor packaging

iedc.in.gov

https://www.reuters.com/business/autos-transportation/honda-produce-next-civic-indiana-not-mexico-due-us-tariffs-sources-say-2025-03-03/

 

[Dr. Phosphorous]

Swiss pharmaceuticals company Roche picks Indiana for new plant, announces $50B investment in US over next 5 years

The investment would go toward high-tech research and development sites and new manufacturing facilities in Indiana, California, Massachusetts and Pennsylvania.

www.wthr.com

Lilly to Invest $4.5B in New Indiana Manufacturing and R&D Center

Eli Lilly’s investment in the LEAP Research and Innovation District in Lebanon, Indiana, has now jumped to more than $13 billion.

www.biospace.com

Gov. Holcomb announces generational multi-billion-dollar investment to make Indiana leader in semiconductor packaging

iedc.in.gov

https://www.reuters.com/business/autos-transportation/honda-produce-next-civic-indiana-not-mexico-due-us-tariffs-sources-say-2025-03-03/

Two of these links are from 2024....before insane Trump and before his insane tariffs.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

What have been the roadblocks to those, and why...?

Moronic green mandates.

 

[theHawk]

Wrong, simp. As post #1 explains.

Your mentally disturbed MAGA lies are not reality.

Your bullshit doesn’t work with me. I work in the energy industry. We all know Green Energy is a fucking joke.

 

[Dr. Phosphorous]

Your bullshit doesn’t work with me. I work in the energy industry. We all know Green Energy is a fucking joke.

Except it's not. I have 32 solar panels on my house. My electric bill is $0 every single month. And I'm not adding more pollution to the air, either.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Except it's not. I have 32 solar panels on my house. My electric bill is $0 every single month. And I'm not adding more pollution to the air, either.

Cool story!

How many months until you earn back the cost?

 

[Dr. Phosphorous]

Cool story!

How many months until you earn back the cost?

Probably about 10 years.

And how long will it take you to earn back the cost that you pay each month for your electricity?

Oh, that's right....NEVER.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Probably about 10 years.

And how long will it take you to earn back the cost that you pay each month for your electricity?

Oh, that's right....NEVER.

How much did you spend?
How much did the government give you?

 

[Oddball]

Most Republicans will never admit it, but Biden's 2021 Infrastructure Investment and Jobs Act was a godsend for red states. The Infrastructure Investment and Jobs Act allocated hundreds of billions of dollars for green energy projects.

These green energy jobs are now GONE...thanks to Trump's "Big, Beautiful Bill".

And most of the new green energy manufacturing projects from Biden's Infrastructure Investment and Jobs Act were in red states. Hundreds of thousands of good paying manufacturing jobs in the high-tech green energy field....GONE, overnight.

Overall, the "Big, Beautiful Bill" hurts red states more than blue states.

I thought Trump wanted to bring manufacturing back to this country with his stupid ****ing tariffs? Instead, this bill does the exact opposite. MAGA rubes....this is how Trump helps the working class???

Now, some Republican Senators such as Thom Tillis (R-NC) are greatly concerned about this, as the Washington Post article below discusses.


From the Washington Post --

In all, the bill would take away $522 billion that is scheduled to be injected into local economies across the country.

“The majority of the government spending is creating jobs and manufacturing capacity in red states,” said Jason Bordoff, the founding director of the Center on Global Energy Policy at Columbia University. “So this puts Republicans, generally and now in the Senate, in the position of having to choose whether to support the party line or maintain support for government programs that are creating a lot of economic activity in their states.”

The measure — branded by Trump as the One Big Beautiful Bill — would rapidly phase out billions of dollars of tax incentives contained in the Inflation Reduction Act, which Congress passed in 2022. Some of the tax credits would end as soon as this year. The bill also slows the shift to electric vehicles by eliminating a tax credit of up to $7,500 for their purchase.

To pass it, Trump will need votes from Senate Republicans who have championed the green subsidies in their home states.

Sen. Thom Tillis (R-North Carolina), one of the most vulnerable senators up for reelection next year, suggested Thursday that he would push for a slower phaseout of the clean energy subsidies. An immediate phaseout, he said, would “have a chilling effect” on “future investments” in the domestic energy sector.

“For companies that have made major capital deployment decisions, we need to respect that or people are going to start thinking that the United States has massive changes in policy every two years in this space, and that will be devastating to the U.S.’s current position as the innovation leader,” he said. “We’ve got to maintain that position.”

The subsidies have sparked billions of dollars’ worth of projects nationwide, but a Washington Post analysis last year found that most of the investments are flowing to red states.

In Tillis’s home state of North Carolina, the law has helped attract $23 billion in investment, according to data compiled by Atlas Public Policy and Utah State University. Forty-seven new facilities in the state — including a massive Toyota battery plant — could create about 20,000 new jobs, the data shows.

Now, analysts and advocates say, such projects could collapse or relocate abroad. The cuts also threaten the stability of the power grid, which is heavily reliant on solar and wind power.

“If this bill becomes law, America will effectively surrender the AI race to China and communities nationwide will face blackouts,” said Abigail Ross Hopper, president and CEO of the Solar Energy Industries Association, one of many groups lobbying the Senate to change course.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/2025/05/23/senate-clean-energy-tax-credits/

Pure garbage...."Green energy jobs" are subsidized to the hilt....There's no natural marked demand for them.

You're really so stupid to believe that scooping water out of the deep end of a pool and pouring it in the shallow end will make the shallow end deeper.

 

[Dr. Phosphorous]

How much did you spend?
How much did the government give you?

About $36K. I got a $12K tax credit for getting the solar panels.

I'll probably make my money back in 7 - 8 years. I also get about a $500 per year payment from my utility company for saving energy.

 

[Oddball]

About $36K. I got a $12K tax credit for getting the solar panels.

I'll probably make my money back in 7 - 8 years. I also get about a $500 per year payment from my utility company for saving energy.

At whose expense?

 

[Dr. Phosphorous]

Pure garbage...."Green energy jobs" are subsidized to the hilt....There's no natural marked demand for them.

Just insanity. Just look at all the homes with solar panels, mentally ill MAGA guy.

 

[Oddball]

Just insanity. Just look at all the homes with solar panels, mentally ill MAGA guy.

Don't GAF, economic nitwit.

 

[Dr. Phosphorous]

At whose expense?

Nobody's. I'm not polluting the air...unlike you.