Trump Isn't Perfect

He never did.


The story is no more true than any of the other lies you believed:

Here are some of the other lies your party fed you and you accepted as true:


Is the arrest of 1200 innocent American citizens and hundreds of jail sentences outside the character of a party that produces some 50+ lies and hoaxes to damage Trump?

There are sooooo very many lies on which the Left's politics and promises are built.
One can take his pick....that there is systemic racism, the election was fair, illegals don't vote, gun control is aimed at criminals, CRT isn't taught in government school, welfare stops starvation, the Democrat's flipped and the Republicans became the party of racism, Nazis were rightwing, Liberals founded this nation, Hillary is the smartest woman in the country and Bill Clinton ever had a budget surplus, women have a right to kill their unborn, women get paid less for the same job.....and "1 in 5 women being sexually assaulted while in college."



Democrats lie about everything….on what basis would any of their fabricated data be considered valid???
Here the prism through which every Democrat pronouncement should be viewed: First collusion, collusion, collusion, Russia, Russia, Russia, Obstruction, Obstruction, Obstruction. Racist, Racist, Racist, Impeach, Impeach, Impeach, Recession, Recession, Recession, Emoluments, 25th amendment, “HandsUpDon’tShoot,”Stormy Daniels, lies about Charlottesville fine Nazis, Kurds, Ukraine, Quid Pro Quo, ‘lynching,’ the Kavanaugh hoax, the GAO charges, Lev Parnas, impeachment, coronavirus ‘hoax,’ General Flynn perjury trap, no evidence of voter fraud in the stolen election.....and “More than 50 former intelligence officials signed a letter casting doubt on the provenance of a New York Post story on the former vice president's son."



Don’t forget the Democrats told you that Trump was colluding with Russia…and that wasn’t true. They also told you that so was Naval Academy grad Carter Page and so was George Papadopoulos and so was General Michael Flynn, a three star general and former director of the Defense Intelligence Agency….and all of that was a lie. How stupid must one be to keep believing what they say?
...and, and that ‘armed insurrection’ that never occurred, and AOC lying about her near-death experience in the Capitol Riots.....when she wasn't even in the Capitol. And, of course the 275 Democrat inspired riots were ‘mostly peaceful.’

And that Biden voters as agents provocateur weren't behind the Capitol Riot.....and that Pelosi knew and refused to allow extra security. They lie about everything.......yet Democrat voters are, ready to swallow the next lie.

And that the Wuhan Red Death did not come from a Chinese Communist lab that got its funding via Dr. Fauci, and its purpose was to remove Trump….

FakeStories: Three years of Russian Collusion stories; altering documents at the DoJ and FBI to railroad political opponents; the state media burying the Hunter Biden Scandal what with Joe getting 10% of the bribes; stories about Kavanaugh rape parties, and Covington Catholic School; Carter Page working for Russia when he was actually working for the CIA….where were those ‘fact checkers’? The great lie that there was an ‘insurrection’ January 6th. The lie that it was Republicans who wanted to defund the police. The lie that Critical Race Theory wasn’t being taught. The lie that 600,000 died from the Wuhan Red Death.
What should you do when they lied to you at least these 30 times already???????????

Democrats claimed it was Republicans who demanded defunding the police, AOC claimed ten people were killed Jan6th, Ilhan Omar blames the police for crime, they claimed that CRT wasn’t being taught in government school, men can become pregnant, and MAGA fans attacked Jussie Smollett, inflation due to Putin and the invasion…


  • Brett Kavanaugh — Serial Rapist
  • President Michael Avenatti
  • The Covington KKKids Hoax
  • Hands Up, Don’t Shoot
  • George Zimmerman
  • Mostly Peaceful Black Lives Matter Riots
  • The Russia Collusion Hoax
  • Antifa Stormed the Beaches on D-Day
  • Cuomo (D-NY): King of Coronavirus Competence
  • The Clearing of Lafayette Square Hoax
  • The Lab Leak Theory Has Been Debunked Hoax
  • The Russians Are Behind Hunter’s Laptop Hoax
  • The Russian Bounty Hoax
  • The Capitol Police Officer Killed with a Fire Extinguisher Hoax
  • The Very Fine People Hoax
  • Men Can Magically Transform into Women
  • And on and on and on
…what is the point of watching any corporate media outlet? All they do is lie. Even if you are an NPR wine mom, you do not want to be serially lied to.
The era of corporate media influence is ending thanks to the over the top bias, and that should be good for the future. Americans are rebelling against these exposed frauds, and 2022 should be a turning point."
Mark Simone 710




Where there any....ANY.....that you disputed when the Democrat media fed them to you?



ANY??????
It's not accepted knowledge he tried to get the now banished Pence to reject the state's votes?
Trumpov doesn't deny it.
You'll Note PuTrump has a New running mate.

That he called up the Georgia Attorney General and tried to get him to Fudge 11,800 votes?
(other calls less known)

That he had alternative Elector slates for 7 States?

You lying Space-wasting TW0T who can't debate at all, just bury with irrelevant volume and quintupple spacing.

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Are free speech and closed borders Left wing values?


Wake the heck up.

Free speech? Well, let's take a look at Trumps record on that.
How about his EO to combat anti Semitism?

Trump Signs Order Against Anti-Semitism At Colleges, Worrying Free Speech Advocates
President Trump signed an executive order on Wednesday that will make Title VI of the 1964 Civil Rights Act apply to anti-Semitic acts. The order is generating concern that it will stifle free speech by those who oppose Israel's policy toward the Palestinians.


As far as Trumps immigration issues, he still didn't secure the border.

I am awake. I woke up a long time ago when I realize that the right is as bad as the left.
Especially when you consider the fact that since 1980, the Republicans have spent more than the left. And increased the debt ceiling more times.
And now Trump is calling for the elimination of the debt ceiling all together. And you people buy it like it's coming from God or something.
On issue after issue, Trump either agrees with, appeases to or caves to the left. Spending, immigration, debt ceiling, wars, warrantless spying on Americans, the 2A and on and on and on.

But you keep believing the north eastern liberal.

BTW, you didn't research anything on the list I gave you, did you? Of course you didn't. Loyalist don't want to hear the truth about who they're loyal to.
 
I like your style.....a well thought out response.

I disagree with nearly all of it, but yours is the sort of reponse adults make.

My short response is this: his accomplishments were clearly far more acceptable, and benefitted more Americans, than the other side did.

So say 77,297,721 Americans.....


BTW.....the FBI is currently a Democrat police force.

You know that, don't you?

Thanks. You are more articulate than the rest yourself.

No, I did not and do not believe that the FBI is a political police.
No one from the Federal kicks in people’s doors in the middle of the night.

The largely false narrative that Devin Nunes and Kash Patel manufactured so the Trump faithful could pretend that their god is a victim of injustice is not something I adhere to.

In fact, I believe that the FBI should have been far more aggressive in investigating the Trump Organization and the Campaign with regard to the Russians.

And it should have been made very public before the election..

I didn’t see any accomplishments in your list. Maybe you have another one.

Trump won by a tiny majority.

indeed, Biden got far more votes in 2020 than Trump did this time. It was no landslide, nor mandate.

The GOP majorities are razor thin, and Johnson does not have a good record when it comes to controlling his votes.

I think a lot of this crazy stuff and cofeve Trump bellowed in his campaign amount to nothing.
He has already lost twice in Congress.

Maybe something will come of it.



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" A leader needs to be able to persuade. Trump does the opposite."


Clearly false.

77,297,721 Americans were persuaded.
Why are you afraid to address what I actually said? Here's the uncropped sentence: "First is the ability to inspire others to follow - others who might otherwise disagree with him.

Trump has zero ability to persuade. He can tell people what they want to hear - that's the first thing a con man learns - but he can't make a persuasive argument. He can't make a coherent argument. He's can barely speak in complete sentences. All he can do is troll. His minions might get off on that, bigly, but it's pure trash populism. It's certainly not leadership.
You should think before you write. Try it.
Yeah, yeah. Listen, if you're trying to insult me, you need to come up with a stupid nickname. That's how Donny would do it.

Also, I've been meaning to ask, what's the deal with numbering the paragraphs in your posts? Do you think your words are so profound that they need to be annotated?
 
It's not accepted knowledge he tried to get the now banished Pence to reject the state's votes?
Trumpov doesn't deny it.
You'll Note PuTrump has a New running mate.

That he called up the Georgia Attorney General and tried to get him to Fudge 11,800 votes?
(other calls less known)

That he had alternative Elector slates for 7 States?

You lying Space-wasting TW0T who can't debate at all, just bury with irrelevant volume and quintupple spacing.

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She's a Trump loyalist. Even when they disagree with Trump on something, it only comes as a whisper. Then they'll quickly go into all the things they agree with him on.

They are bad as left when it comes to loyalty.
 
Of course.

No one is denying that, other than those who simply want cheaper labor.

The folks who are trying to get cheaper versions than Americans make nebulous claims about it, but I say it's simply a desire for profits.

Hence the title of the thread.
I’m against illegals or legal affecting wages! Period
 
I’m against illegals or legal affecting wages! Period

You will bow before your orange leader and kiss his ring. As you and chic have always done.
And you'll like it.
 
Free speech? Well, let's take a look at Trumps record on that.
How about his EO to combat anti Semitism?

Trump Signs Order Against Anti-Semitism At Colleges, Worrying Free Speech Advocates
President Trump signed an executive order on Wednesday that will make Title VI of the 1964 Civil Rights Act apply to anti-Semitic acts. The order is generating concern that it will stifle free speech by those who oppose Israel's policy toward the Palestinians.


As far as Trumps immigration issues, he still didn't secure the border.

I am awake. I woke up a long time ago when I realize that the right is as bad as the left.
Especially when you consider the fact that since 1980, the Republicans have spent more than the left. And increased the debt ceiling more times.
And now Trump is calling for the elimination of the debt ceiling all together. And you people buy it like it's coming from God or something.
On issue after issue, Trump either agrees with, appeases to or caves to the left. Spending, immigration, debt ceiling, wars, warrantless spying on Americans, the 2A and on and on and on.

But you keep believing the north eastern liberal.

BTW, you didn't research anything on the list I gave you, did you? Of course you didn't. Loyalist don't want to hear the truth about who they're loyal to.
Anyone who can't honestly state which side favors free speech, and which favors censorship, is beyond redemption.



Democrat Supreme Court Justice Kagan on free speech...
"In her 1993 article "Regulation of Hate Speech and Pornography After R.A.V," for the University of Chicago Law Review, Kagan writes:
"I take it as a given that we live in a society marred by racial and gender inequality, that certain forms of speech perpetuate and promote this inequality, and that the uncoerced disappearance of such speech would be cause for great elation."

In a 1996 paper, "Private Speech, Public Purpose: The Role of Governmental Motive in First Amendment Doctrine," Kagan argued it may be proper to suppress speech because it is offensive to society or to the government.
That paper asserted First Amendment doctrine is comprised of "motives and ... actions infested with them" and she goes so far as to claim that "First Amendment law is best understood and most readily explained as a kind of motive-hunting."

Kagan's name was also on a brief, United States V. Stevens, dug up by the Washington Examiner, stating: "Whether a given category of speech enjoys First Amendment protection depends upon a categorical balancing of the value of the speech against its societal costs."
If the government doesn't like what you say, Elena Kagan believes it is the duty of courts to tell you to shut up. If some pantywaist is offended by what you say, Elena Kagan believes your words can be "disappeared".
WyBlog -- Elena Kagan's America: some speech can be "disappeared"
 
Why are you afraid to address what I actually said? Here's the uncropped sentence: "First is the ability to inspire others to follow - others who might otherwise disagree with him.
Elon?
RFK jr?
 
Thanks. You are more articulate than the rest yourself.

No, I did not and do not believe that the FBI is a political police.
No one from the Federal kicks in people’s doors in the middle of the night.

The largely false narrative that Devin Nunes and Kash Patel manufactured so the Trump faithful could pretend that their god is a victim of injustice is not something I adhere to.

In fact, I believe that the FBI should have been far more aggressive in investigating the Trump Organization and the Campaign with regard to the Russians.

And it should have been made very public before the election..

I didn’t see any accomplishments in your list. Maybe you have another one.

Trump won by a tiny majority.

indeed, Biden got far more votes in 2020 than Trump did this time. It was no landslide, nor mandate.

The GOP majorities are razor thin, and Johnson does not have a good record when it comes to controlling his votes.

I think a lot of this crazy stuff and cofeve Trump bellowed in his campaign amount to nothing.
He has already lost twice in Congress.

Maybe something will come of it.



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"No, I did not and do not believe that the FBI is a political police."



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  3. You obvious error on this issue is but the tip of the iceberg in evaluating your mistaken beliefs.






 
Anyone who can't honestly state which side favors free speech, and which favors censorship, is beyond redemption.


How about something important. Since we can all still say anything we want to say. (this forum is proof). How about FISA 702. Warrantless spying on Americans? Trump and Biden both support that.
Assaulting our 2A. Trump not only banned bumpstocks. But he got the DoJ to write the laws on it. When it got overturned, Biden tried to have it reinstated. Another important thing that the two liberals agreed on.
The covid mandates. Trump was the first to start issuing them. And Biden followed suit.
Spending & debt ceiling increases. They both supported that.
Both gave hundreds of millions to colleges. Both paid for college tuitions, in one form or another.
Both exercised their EO and put Jews above free speech & Americans.






Democrat Supreme Court Justice Kagan on free speech...
"In her 1993 article "Regulation of Hate Speech and Pornography After R.A.V," for the University of Chicago Law Review, Kagan writes:
"I take it as a given that we live in a society marred by racial and gender inequality, that certain forms of speech perpetuate and promote this inequality, and that the uncoerced disappearance of such speech would be cause for great elation."

In a 1996 paper, "Private Speech, Public Purpose: The Role of Governmental Motive in First Amendment Doctrine," Kagan argued it may be proper to suppress speech because it is offensive to society or to the government.
That paper asserted First Amendment doctrine is comprised of "motives and ... actions infested with them" and she goes so far as to claim that "First Amendment law is best understood and most readily explained as a kind of motive-hunting."

Kagan's name was also on a brief, United States V. Stevens, dug up by the Washington Examiner, stating: "Whether a given category of speech enjoys First Amendment protection depends upon a categorical balancing of the value of the speech against its societal costs."
If the government doesn't like what you say, Elena Kagan believes it is the duty of courts to tell you to shut up. If some pantywaist is offended by what you say, Elena Kagan believes your words can be "disappeared".
WyBlog -- Elena Kagan's America: some speech can be "disappeared"

You're trying to tell me the left doesn't like free speech? Well no shit, sherlock. I don't support the left. Or anyone that even leans left. IE Trump.
You do. And you can't say Trump doesn't lean left, because his record (that you keep ignoring) sounds exactly like something a democrat president would do. As I've outlined in the above list of things that both Biden and Trump agree on.

I used to think that Trump supporters would finally realize just how far left of center Trump is. But then the omnibus and CR's came, and you said nothing.
He assaulted our 2A, and you said nothing
The war in Afghanistan didn't end, and you said nothing.
He tried to implement a national healthcare bill, and you said nothing.
He introduced his Platinum Plan, and you said nothing.
When he tried to get us into WW3, bombing countries in the middle east that weren't a threat to us. (Yemen and Syria). And still nothing.

One left leaning policy, EO or law after another came, and you loyalist didn't say a hardly word. Most of what y'all said was just excuses. Like his bumpstock ban. "Ah they're just bumpstocks." "Ah it's just $500 billion. And blacks need our help."
He didn't pardon Snowden or Assange. He didn't offer any help at all to the 1/6 protestors. With all his money and attorneys, not once did he do anything get them out of jail. He practically fed them all to the democrats.

Over and over and over. Issue after issue, you people will cling to that north eastern liberal, like is god.
And what's worse, you all claim to lean right, just like he does.

You're all bunch of RINO/CINO's, who don't even know what it means to be right of center. Because he's taken you all so far left, you've forgotten .
 
It's not accepted knowledge he tried to get the now banished Pence to reject the state's votes?
This was normal as done many times by Democrats.

We wondered if Zeldin’s claim about Democrats’ past objections to certifying election results is correct.

Federal law calls for the U.S. Congress to meet at 1 p.m. on Jan. 6 following the meeting of electors to certify the election results. The electoral votes of each state are read in alphabetical order. During that meeting, the president of the Senate “shall call for objections, if any.” Each objection must be made in writing, with the signature of at least one member of the House and one senator.

Attempts to object to election results have been made in some fashion by House Democrats in 2001, 2005, and 2017, following the successful campaigns of George W. Bush and Trump, both Republicans. One senator supported the objection in 2005, though the Senate and the House ultimately did not uphold that objection.

Unlike Republican objections in 2021, Democratic objections in the 2000s happened after the losing candidate had conceded. In 2021, Trump did not concede until the evening of Jan. 7, and he had been plotting to remain in the White House. A group of House Republicans had met with Trump in the Oval Office in December 2020 to plan for Jan. 6, 2021, and to discuss how Trump could stay in office. …
 
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Where was Trump when he could've honored his oath and protected free speech for this man? Or Snowdens? And gave them both a pardon.
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"...Asians make 20% than typical Americans."
What are you trying to say?





Full disclosure.....I'm an immigrant.

I don't disagree about immigrants working harder.
We came here without speaking English, and my sister and I are both Ivy League grads.
Sadly, she votes Demorat.

But if the argument is that those immigrants are smarter than Americans, I don't believe so.
If anything, the government school system is to blame.


But we have well trained Americans who can do the job, and we shouldn't undercut them for cheaper labor.
Fantastic reply to a person trying to downgrade pay for legal immigrants.
 
"...Asians make 20% than typical Americans."
What are you trying to say?





Full disclosure.....I'm an immigrant.

I don't disagree about immigrants working harder.
We came here without speaking English, and my sister and I are both Ivy League grads.
Sadly, she votes Demorat.

But if the argument is that those immigrants are smarter than Americans, I don't believe so.
If anything, the government school system is to blame.


But we have well trained Americans who can do the job, and we shouldn't undercut them for cheaper labor.
H1b visas have been around for years and years, we accept immigration legally always at the cost of American jobs. The issue of MAGA is illegal aliens
 
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