Trump is right on Ukraine

[Independent thinker]

Here is a recent history lesson on both Ukraine and Russia. I learned a few things from it. Article worth checking out.

Opinion - Sadly, Trump is right on Ukraine​

Opinion - Sadly, Trump is right on Ukraine

Ukraine's President Volodymyr Zelensky provoked wider war by violating peace deals with Russia and seeking NATO military aid and membership, while Joe Biden also contributed crucially to the escalatio...

www.yahoo.com

 

[SassyIrishLass]

Another thing the Potato regime fckd up

 

[kyzr]

Actually the Budapest Memorandum said that if Ukraine gave up its nukes that their security was guaranteed.
Signed by NATO and Russia

Budapest Memorandum - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[IM2]

Again, Putin started this war and Putin is wrong. Trump doesn't know anything about this.

 

[Independent thinker]

Again, Putin started this war and Putin is wrong. Trump doesn't know anything about this.

Depends on how you define "started the war". Ukraine made several crucial mistakes that could have avoided the war.

 

[Cassandro]

Actually the Budapest Memorandum said that if Ukraine gave up its nukes that their security was guaranteed.
Signed by NATO and Russia

Ipso facto, Ukraine would not join NATO.

 

[IDIOCRACY]

Again, Putin started this war and Putin is wrong. Trump doesn't know anything about this.

You don't believe that. Why say shit you don't even believe............Rhetorical.

 

[Tumblin Tumbleweed]

You don't believe that. Why say shit you don't even believe............Rhetorical.

Uh, Putin invaded Ukraine. That's just a fact.

 

[kyzr]

Ipso facto, Ukraine would not join NATO.

Here's a good summary of how Ukraine got here, and why its not in NATO already.

Ukraine Wanted to Join NATO's Alliance for Years. What Stopped It?

In the years before war, Ukraine’s leaders made enthusiastic pleas about their desire to bring the country into NATO, and the prospect rose in popularity in public polls.

www.nbcchicago.com

 

[berg80]

Here is a recent history lesson on both Ukraine and Russia. I learned a few things from it. Article worth checking out.

Opinion - Sadly, Trump is right on Ukraine​

Opinion - Sadly, Trump is right on Ukraine

Ukraine's President Volodymyr Zelensky provoked wider war by violating peace deals with Russia and seeking NATO military aid and membership, while Joe Biden also contributed crucially to the escalatio...

www.yahoo.com

Just then, however, right-wing militants overlooking the square started shooting Ukrainian police and remaining protesters. Police returned fire at the militants, who then claimed bogusly that the police had killed the unarmed protesters. Outraged by this ostensible government massacre, Ukrainians descended on the capital and ousted the president, who fled to Russia for protection.

Horseshit. Yanukovych's refusal to respect the public's desire to move the country towards greater association with EU countries, and away from Russia, demanded by a majority of Ukrainians lead to the Revolution of Dignity and eventually to his ouster.

A 5-Minute Guide to Understanding Ukraine’s Euromaidan Protests

Amid ongoing conflict, Ukraine’s civil society is working hard to enable reforms; support independent, accurate reporting; and help thousands of displaced people.

www.opensocietyfoundations.org

 

[CowboyTed]

Here is a recent history lesson on both Ukraine and Russia. I learned a few things from it. Article worth checking out.

Opinion - Sadly, Trump is right on Ukraine​

Opinion - Sadly, Trump is right on Ukraine

Ukraine's President Volodymyr Zelensky provoked wider war by violating peace deals with Russia and seeking NATO military aid and membership, while Joe Biden also contributed crucially to the escalatio...

www.yahoo.com

So lets look at this opinion piece...

He has based on three points..

Maidan massacre was a false Flag​

First, it was internal to Ukraine. It had nothing to do with Russia except it got rid of a highly corrupt leader who was propped up by Russia. Russia didn't like that but it again is none of their business..

Zelensky violated peace deals especially on NATO
False... Russia broke the Budapest Memorandum first, then then Minsk 1 & 2... Russia invaded Crimea with a army with no insignias on them. It was an illegal army, why do we think they did that.
These agreements never mention NATO... Never... That is a Russian Propaganda...

Minsk agreements - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Biden and Zelensky provoked Russia
Same old BS statement from Russia Propaganda..

Read his article and it is littered with debunked Russian Propaganda...

Simplest way to know... Show us an agreement, the text, of Ukraine saying they will not join NATO....
Show us that, in the original text...

Ukraine as soon as they felty threatened were always going to join NATO. Putin's actions had Ukraine rushing to join NATO for the same reason Finland and Sweden did recently too...
Russia think they should be allowed to take over these sovereign nations, well they are not.

 

[CowboyTed]

Depends on how you define "started the war". Ukraine made several crucial mistakes that could have avoided the war.

Like existing...

Ukraine is a sovereign nation that wanted security and opportunity... NATO and EU were offering both...
Putin didn't want country joining EU beside him, like in Poland, they would get wealthy from reduced corruptions and better citizen rights. How does Putin explain that home?

Putin invades countries to stop them progressing..

So the crucial mistake was that they wanted to be happy..

 

[CowboyTed]

Ipso facto, Ukraine would not join NATO.

Not written in agreement...

There is a reason it is not written in the agreement...

Because Ukraine were allowed to join NATO even if Russia didn't want them too...

IT is Russian Propaganda that is rewriting history for you..

 

[CowboyTed]

Just then, however, right-wing militants overlooking the square started shooting Ukrainian police and remaining protesters. Police returned fire at the militants, who then claimed bogusly that the police had killed the unarmed protesters. Outraged by this ostensible government massacre, Ukrainians descended on the capital and ousted the president, who fled to Russia for protection.

Horseshit. Yanukovych's refusal to respect the public's desire to move the country towards greater association with EU countries, and away from Russia, demanded by a majority of Ukrainians lead to the Revolution of Dignity and eventually to his ouster.

A 5-Minute Guide to Understanding Ukraine’s Euromaidan Protests

Amid ongoing conflict, Ukraine’s civil society is working hard to enable reforms; support independent, accurate reporting; and help thousands of displaced people.

www.opensocietyfoundations.org

Even if all true...

What does that got to do with Russia except...

Russia spent all that time and money getting a corrupt leader in who was loyal to the Kremlin and then the Ukraine People kicked him out... How dare they..

 

[Independent thinker]

Just then, however, right-wing militants overlooking the square started shooting Ukrainian police and remaining protesters. Police returned fire at the militants, who then claimed bogusly that the police had killed the unarmed protesters. Outraged by this ostensible government massacre, Ukrainians descended on the capital and ousted the president, who fled to Russia for protection.

Horseshit. Yanukovych's refusal to respect the public's desire to move the country towards greater association with EU countries, and away from Russia, demanded by a majority of Ukrainians lead to the Revolution of Dignity and eventually to his ouster.

A 5-Minute Guide to Understanding Ukraine’s Euromaidan Protests

Amid ongoing conflict, Ukraine’s civil society is working hard to enable reforms; support independent, accurate reporting; and help thousands of displaced people.

www.opensocietyfoundations.org

And where has that gotten to?

 

[Independent thinker]

So lets look at this opinion piece...

He has based on three points..

Maidan massacre was a false Flag​

First, it was internal to Ukraine. It had nothing to do with Russia except it got rid of a highly corrupt leader who was propped up by Russia. Russia didn't like that but it again is none of their business..

Zelensky violated peace deals especially on NATO
False... Russia broke the Budapest Memorandum first, then then Minsk 1 & 2... Russia invaded Crimea with a army with no insignias on them. It was an illegal army, why do we think they did that.
These agreements never mention NATO... Never... That is a Russian Propaganda...

Minsk agreements - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Biden and Zelensky provoked Russia
Same old BS statement from Russia Propaganda..

Read his article and it is littered with debunked Russian Propaganda...

Simplest way to know... Show us an agreement, the text, of Ukraine saying they will not join NATO....
Show us that, in the original text...

Ukraine as soon as they felty threatened were always going to join NATO. Putin's actions had Ukraine rushing to join NATO for the same reason Finland and Sweden did recently too...
Russia think they should be allowed to take over these sovereign nations, well they are not.

And how has Biden's support and Europe's support for Ukraine been working out?

 

[jc456]

Here is a recent history lesson on both Ukraine and Russia. I learned a few things from it. Article worth checking out.

Opinion - Sadly, Trump is right on Ukraine​

Opinion - Sadly, Trump is right on Ukraine

Ukraine's President Volodymyr Zelensky provoked wider war by violating peace deals with Russia and seeking NATO military aid and membership, while Joe Biden also contributed crucially to the escalatio...

www.yahoo.com

well again, the so called ahem, journalist, don't know how to do journalism and report it. It's so sad the biased media representing DNC are so fking evil fkers.

 

[jc456]

And how has Biden's support and Europe's support for Ukraine been working out?

CowboyTed, well?

 

[Independent thinker]

Like existing...

Ukraine is a sovereign nation that wanted security and opportunity... NATO and EU were offering both...
Putin didn't want country joining EU beside him, like in Poland, they would get wealthy from reduced corruptions and better citizen rights. How does Putin explain that home?

Putin invades countries to stop them progressing..

So the crucial mistake was that they wanted to be happy..

And how has that all worked out?

 

[ElmerMudd]

You don't believe that. Why say shit you don't even believe............Rhetorical.

"You don't believe that. Why say shit you don't even believe..."
Above is a statement of an ass kissing Trump supporter who does not live in the real world. Trump defines his world. Sad