Trump is not happy with Ukraine's success against Russian millitary.

[Delldude]

Do you mean returning the nukes that Ukraine had before we signed an agree to protect them, in return for them giving up their nuclear weapons?

There is no agreement to protect them.

 

[meaner gene]

There is no agreement to protect them.

You have to be ether the most dishonest or most ignorant mf posting here.

In 1994, Ukraine, with the help of the United States, Russia, and the United Kingdom, agreed to denuclearize, transferring its inherited nuclear weapons to Russia for dismantling. This decision was part of a broader agreement, including the Budapest Memorandum, which provided security guarantees to Ukraine in exchange for its disarmament.

 

[meaner gene]

The Budapest Memorandum on Security Assurances for Ukraine, signed on December 5, 1994, was a trilateral agreement between the United States, the United Kingdom, and Russia, and Ukraine, pledging to respect Ukraine's independence, sovereignty, and existing borders, and to refrain from the use or threat of force against it. This agreement was part of Ukraine's effort to give up its nuclear arsenal in exchange for security guarantees from major powers. The memorandum was seen as a crucial step towards Ukraine's accession to the Non-Proliferation Treaty.

 

[meaner gene]

Budapest Memorandum - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[schmidlap]

Do you agree Z should have had equal offensive responses in his toolbox?

Putin Thought Russian Forces Could Take Kyiv in 2 days​

Given Putin's woefully unrealistic scheme to conquer Ukraine and Zelinskyy's support from NATO, I'd have to acknowledge that he has done surprisingly well.

 

[Delldude]

The Budapest Memorandum on Security Assurances for Ukraine, signed on December 5, 1994, was a trilateral agreement between the United States, the United Kingdom, and Russia, and Ukraine, pledging to respect Ukraine's independence, sovereignty, and existing borders, and to refrain from the use or threat of force against it. This agreement was part of Ukraine's effort to give up its nuclear arsenal in exchange for security guarantees from major powers. The memorandum was seen as a crucial step towards Ukraine's accession to the Non-Proliferation Treaty.

And there's nothing in it binding any of the signatories to legally protect Ukraine.

 

[Delldude]

Putin Thought Russian Forces Could Take Kyiv in 2 days​

Given Putin's woefully unrealistic scheme to conquer Ukraine and Zelinskyy's support from NATO, I'd have to acknowledge that he has done surprisingly well.

Yet he was drastically restricted in his response capability as I pointed out. Should he have been able to respond in kind from the start of the war?

 

[meaner gene]

And there's nothing in it binding any of the signatories to legally protect Ukraine.

That's because you didn't read it.

Just like you didn't even know it existed.

 

[Delldude]

That's because you didn't read it.

Just like you didn't even know it existed.

Yes I read it some time ago arguing with a dickhead much like you.

Well you post the legally binding wording that show the signatories entered into a mutual defense agreement regarding Ukraine.

 

[meaner gene]

Yes I read it some time ago arguing with a dickhead much like you.

Well you post the legally binding wording that show the signatories entered into a mutual defense agreement regarding Ukraine.

Then why did you claim there was no such agreement.

There is no agreement to protect them.

Budapest Memorandum at 25: Between Past and Future

On December 5, 1994, leaders of the United States, the United Kingdom, and the Russian Federation met in Budapest, Hungary, to pledge security assurances to Ukraine in connection with its accession to the Treaty on the Nonproliferation of Nuclear Weapons (NPT) as a non-nuclear-weapons state. The...

www.hks.harvard.edu

 

[meaner gene]

Yes I read it some time ago arguing with a dickhead much like you.

Well you post the legally binding wording that show the signatories entered into a mutual defense agreement regarding Ukraine.

Dude, it wasn't a MUTUAL defense agreement.
Ukraine never agreed to come to our aid if we were attacked.
But the BUdapest agreement required the signatories to provide security assurances, to the objects of the agreement. (former Soviet territories)

 

[meaner gene]

Dell Dude is playing word games.
The Budapest agreement provided security assurances.
So Dell Dude said it didn't provide MUTUAL security assurances.

Just like the US Constitution provides for federal protection of the states, but doesn't have MUTUAL protections.

 

[Delldude]

Dude, it wasn't a MUTUAL defense agreement.

You are insinuating the Budapest Memorandum was a guarantee to 'protect' Ukraine by the signatories mutually agreeing to protect Ukraine.

It is not in any way, shape or form. The security guarantees were from Russia to Ukraine.

So list where the signatories mutually agreed to protect Ukraine.

 

[Delldude]

The Budapest agreement provided security assurances.

So list where the signatories mutually agreed to protect Ukraine.

 

[meaner gene]

You are insinuating the Budapest Memorandum was a guarantee to 'protect' Ukraine by the signatories mutually agreeing to protect Ukraine.

It is not in any way, shape or form. The security guarantees were from Russia to Ukraine.

So list where the signatories mutually agreed to protect Ukraine.

Under the agreement the Russian Federation provided security assurances to Ukraine

Budapest Memorandum - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[Delldude]

Under the agreement the Russian Federation provided security assurances to Ukraine

Yes but you said this:

Do you mean returning the nukes that Ukraine had before we signed an agreement to protect them, in return for them giving up their nuclear weapons?

So show where this agreement says that.

 

[krichton]

$7 billion?

Anyone who knows the costs of military equipment knows that's hogwash.

One MRAP is worth $600,000.00.
How many MRAPs did Biden leave behind?
How many weapons systems did they leave behind?
How many aircraft did they leave behind?
How much ammo did they leave behind.

I remember Iran holding massive parades with all of the equipment they bought from the Taliban after Biden left it behind in Afghanistan. They did the same exact thing in Iraq when we left. Obama completely armed the Republican Guard, which became ISIS.

7 billion was the factual reported number, not some made up bullshit that you're trying to push. Why even stop at 87 billion, why not 870 billion? There was 70 mraps left behind. How much is that if each is 600k? That's only 42 million.

All these weapon systems you're complaining about the US leaving behind, is the direct result of Trump signing some bullshit art of the deal agreement to pull out within 4-5 months, which cannot be done by any military occupying a country. Why aren't you more angry at that? Hmmm? Trump literally gave the Taliban everything, including forcing the leader of Afghanistan at the time, to release all the Taliban they had imprisoned. Trump apparently loves to empty prisons, whether in other countries or ours.

Obama did that because those weapons were intentionally left for Iraqi security forces.

 

[Delldude]

Obama did that because those weapons were intentionally left for Iraqi security forces.

Well that's what was supposed to happen in Afghanistan.......

 

[schmidlap]

Yet he was drastically restricted in his response capability as I pointed out. Should he have been able to respond in kind from the start of the war?

Zelinskyy, with meagre resources, defended his nation against the savage invaders with whatever he could muster.

Ukrainian children abducted by Russia ​

What more could he have done?

 

[Ringo]