Trump doubles down on claim that US 'wages are too high

[mudwhistle]

If anyone has been paying attention, the only thing that has gone up since Obama took office is the minimum-wage and the cost of living. Wages overall have either stagnated or regressed since he took office, but the costs of food and energy has sky-rocketed. This was done on purpose. He raised 9 excise-taxes in the first month he took office, even though he said he wouldn't raise taxes on anyone making less than $200,000.

 

[Campbell]

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Trump is right. Minimum wage increases kill jobs. Everybody with a brain knows that, it's simple logic.

That's a load of Republican bullshit propaganda. Sure the top dogs want you to believe that so they can have it all:

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you and your charts. are these from 1950 or at least 2012 or something?

who the hell has been the President for the LAST seven miserable years? so you lefties are the one who are full of it. just go vote for Hillary no one cares

Methinks you are a full fledged Republican idiot. Obama assumed an economy bleeding over 700,000 jobs a month. Bush had just handed the most powerful financial institutions in the world $800 billion in order to avoid a full blown depression. Unemployment was 7.5%. The stock market had hit the cellar with a DOW below 9000. We had two hot wars costing over a trillion dollars of borrowed money.

Now...under Obama we've had 67 months of continuous job growth. Unemployment has dropped to 5.0%. Both wars are stopped and the stock market has doubled. Ol' Bud.....you need to start getting your news from somewhere except Fox.

 

[Stephanie]

Please...allow me...

“We are a country that is being beaten on every front — economically, militarily,” Trump said. “Taxes too high, wages too high, we’re not going to be able to compete against the world. … People have to go out, they have to work really hard, and they have to get into that upper stratum.”

Donald Trump said wages are 'too high' in his opening debate statement | Business Insider

Obviously he was talking about minimum-wage and costs.

Obviously YOU are changing Trump's words as if he is a LOSER to STUPID to know what words he wants to use.

obviously, if you believe what he said will change people minds and make them go vote for Hillary. then you all are just as desperate as you were when he spoke on illegal immigrants. you see how much that hurt him? NONE, zero, nadda, zip

so really find something good to run on for a change. good luck thought because people can't stand Hillary and not just Republicans. and that is your parties fault for only GIVING you two choices and both bad ones

 

[mudwhistle]

Please...allow me...

“We are a country that is being beaten on every front — economically, militarily,” Trump said. “Taxes too high, wages too high, we’re not going to be able to compete against the world. … People have to go out, they have to work really hard, and they have to get into that upper stratum.”

Donald Trump said wages are 'too high' in his opening debate statement | Business Insider

Obviously he was talking about minimum-wage and costs.

Obviously YOU are changing Trump's words as if he is a LOSER to STUPID to know what words he wants to use.

He's correct. Once again, a simple fact in America becomes a major issue because of Democrat policies that are damaging the economy.

When it comes to immigration, if it weren't for the need for low-wage workers and the Democrats taking advantage of this by bringing in millions of illegals, we wouldn't have an immigration problem.

The fact is, government is doing their part of contributing to this problem by massive spending and raising taxes. Without that, much of the costs of doing business wouldn't exist.

 

[bedowin62]

meanwhile back in the real world unions that got a $15/hour minimum wage passed are demanding a exemption from it

libs are pathetic idiots who lie to themselves

idiots and hypocrites

 

[Stephanie]

and then we have this. I'm sure that will make all the people in country run right out and vote for him. oh wait, this a Trump said something thread, wasn't it....lol

snip:
how does anyone vote for these people/hypocrites in that party of liars and of nothing but class warfare.

SNIP:
November 11, 2015

Bernie Sanders is running around the country demanding a $15 minimum wage. Surely he pays his employees as much as he’s demanding other employers should, right?

Wrong. See the tweets below, via Twitchy:


ALL of this jokers tweets at the site
OF COURSE: Bernie Sanders Wants $15 Minimum Wage But Guess How Much He Pays His Interns - Progressives Today

 

[Campbell]

and then we have this. I'm sure that will make all the people in country run right out and vote for him. oh wait, this a Trump said something thread, wasn't it....lol

snip:
how does anyone vote for these people/hypocrites in that party of liars and of nothing but class warfare.

SNIP:
November 11, 2015

Bernie Sanders is running around the country demanding a $15 minimum wage. Surely he pays his employees as much as he’s demanding other employers should, right?

Wrong. See the tweets below, via Twitchy:


ALL of this jokers tweets at the site
OF COURSE: Bernie Sanders Wants $15 Minimum Wage But Guess How Much He Pays His Interns - Progressives Today

If you had a family of four and were working for less than $15 you'd be buying rice and beans 50 lb. at a time:

I have news for you....everybody can't afford an ivy league education. Maybe if we were trying to keep up with the other industrialized countries instead of sucking wind with a "Do Nothing" Republican congress things might be better. Why don't you admit that the main gripe you have with Obama is his tan....it's even better than Boehner's.

 

[Boss]

Trump is right. Minimum wage increases kill jobs. Everybody with a brain knows that, it's simple logic.

That's a load of Republican bullshit propaganda. Sure the top dogs want you to believe that so they can have it all:

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[Stephanie]

.

Trump is right. Minimum wage increases kill jobs. Everybody with a brain knows that, it's simple logic.

That's a load of Republican bullshit propaganda. Sure the top dogs want you to believe that so they can have it all:

View attachment 54539

you and your charts. are these from 1950 or at least 2012 or something?

who the hell has been the President for the LAST seven miserable years? so you lefties are the one who are full of it. just go vote for Hillary no one cares

Methinks you are a full fledged Republican idiot. Obama assumed an economy bleeding over 700,000 jobs a month. Bush had just handed the most powerful financial institutions in the world $800 billion in order to avoid a full blown depression. Unemployment was 7.5%. The stock market had hit the cellar with a DOW below 9000. We had two hot wars costing over a trillion dollars of borrowed money.

Now...under Obama we've had 67 months of continuous job growth. Unemployment has dropped to 5.0%. Both wars are stopped and the stock market has doubled. Ol' Bud.....you need to start getting your news from somewhere except Fox.

you are the last person I would take anything as the truth from.

You come screaming on here saying because of something Trump said that is going to make people in ALL Fifty states to go vote for Hillary. so I said this to your bud:

obviously, if you believe what he said will change people minds and make them go vote for Hillary. then you all are just as desperate as you were when he spoke on illegal immigrants. you see how much that hurt him? NONE, zero, nadda, zip

so really find something good to run on for a change.

good luck thought because people can't stand Hillary and not just Republicans. and that is your parties fault for only GIVING you two choices and both bad ones

 

[Boss]

So, the way to compete with China getting all of our manufacturing is to bring USA wages DOWN to China's wages?


What a STUPID comment and thoughtless idea.

Yeah that's right pinhead, we want to pay you $17 a day and a bowl of rice.

Now go run vote for your Socialist.

 

[Campbell]

.

Trump is right. Minimum wage increases kill jobs. Everybody with a brain knows that, it's simple logic.

That's a load of Republican bullshit propaganda. Sure the top dogs want you to believe that so they can have it all:

View attachment 54539

you and your charts. are these from 1950 or at least 2012 or something?

who the hell has been the President for the LAST seven miserable years? so you lefties are the one who are full of it. just go vote for Hillary no one cares

Methinks you are a full fledged Republican idiot. Obama assumed an economy bleeding over 700,000 jobs a month. Bush had just handed the most powerful financial institutions in the world $800 billion in order to avoid a full blown depression. Unemployment was 7.5%. The stock market had hit the cellar with a DOW below 9000. We had two hot wars costing over a trillion dollars of borrowed money.

Now...under Obama we've had 67 months of continuous job growth. Unemployment has dropped to 5.0%. Both wars are stopped and the stock market has doubled. Ol' Bud.....you need to start getting your news from somewhere except Fox.

you are the last person I would take anything as the truth from.

You come screaming on here saying because of something Trump said that is going to make people in ALL Fifty states to go vote for Hillary. so I said this to your bud:

obviously, if you believe what he said will change people minds and make them go vote for Hillary. then you all are just as desperate as you were when he spoke on illegal immigrants. you see how much that hurt him? NONE, zero, nadda, zip

so really find something good to run on for a change.

good luck thought because people can't stand Hillary and not just Republicans. and that is your parties fault for only GIVING you two choices and both bad ones

I suggest you practice saying, "Madame President!"

I'll bet that Barbara Bush votes for Hillary! She said we'd already had enough Bushes:

 

[IlarMeilyr]

Please...allow me...

“We are a country that is being beaten on every front — economically, militarily,” Trump said. “Taxes too high, wages too high, we’re not going to be able to compete against the world. … People have to go out, they have to work really hard, and they have to get into that upper stratum.”

Donald Trump said wages are 'too high' in his opening debate statement | Business Insider

And, of course, taken in context, whether we agree or have reservations about it, he obviously was making specific reference to arbitrarily and artificially raising the minimum wage for the so-called "unskilled" labor force.

Only a liberal drone would even attempt to deny that companies which are striving to survive in a competitive market will seek to pay LOWER wages not higher. ONE way to help keep costs as low as possible is not to get forced by purely artificial laws to pa more for their unskilled labor force than the market can rationally justify.

It will lead to either a reduction in the work force (thanks for the higher unemployment, government) OR to a higher cost per unit of the companies' goods/services which (very predictably) will LOWER demand resulting (predictably) in labor force reductions (thanks either way, government, for the increased unemployment).

If our workers are paid (again, artificially, due to mindless government legislation) such a markedly higher wage than the workers in other places, then it could very well lead to companies HAVING to move their production elsewhere.

No matter how you slice it, the temporary feel good artificial increase in minimum wage ultimately has to get PAID for. Freakin' idiot liberals tend to gloss over such things and thus have little or no ability to contemplate the undesired consequences of their childish notions and policies.

 

[Stephanie]

So, the way to compete with China getting all of our manufacturing is to bring USA wages DOWN to China's wages?


What a STUPID comment and thoughtless idea.

Yeah that's right pinhead, we want to pay you $17 a day and a bowl of rice.

Now go run vote for your Socialist.

they just can't seem to grasp how they can just as easily go take out a loan, start their own business, pay themselves whatever they feel is FAIR and problem solved. but noooooooooooooooooooo they expect everyone bow to some outrageous numbers that pulled from their ass or beat them down with stupid made up bs

 

[Stephanie]

.

Trump is right. Minimum wage increases kill jobs. Everybody with a brain knows that, it's simple logic.

That's a load of Republican bullshit propaganda. Sure the top dogs want you to believe that so they can have it all:

View attachment 54539

you and your charts. are these from 1950 or at least 2012 or something?

who the hell has been the President for the LAST seven miserable years? so you lefties are the one who are full of it. just go vote for Hillary no one cares

Methinks you are a full fledged Republican idiot. Obama assumed an economy bleeding over 700,000 jobs a month. Bush had just handed the most powerful financial institutions in the world $800 billion in order to avoid a full blown depression. Unemployment was 7.5%. The stock market had hit the cellar with a DOW below 9000. We had two hot wars costing over a trillion dollars of borrowed money.

Now...under Obama we've had 67 months of continuous job growth. Unemployment has dropped to 5.0%. Both wars are stopped and the stock market has doubled. Ol' Bud.....you need to start getting your news from somewhere except Fox.

you are the last person I would take anything as the truth from.

You come screaming on here saying because of something Trump said that is going to make people in ALL Fifty states to go vote for Hillary. so I said this to your bud:

obviously, if you believe what he said will change people minds and make them go vote for Hillary. then you all are just as desperate as you were when he spoke on illegal immigrants. you see how much that hurt him? NONE, zero, nadda, zip

so really find something good to run on for a change.

good luck thought because people can't stand Hillary and not just Republicans. and that is your parties fault for only GIVING you two choices and both bad ones

I suggest you practice saying, "Madame President!"

I'll bet that Barbara Bush votes for Hillary! She said we'd already had enough Bushes:

and let me suggest something for you. Go take your life savings and bet it all on the corrupted OLD lady that you all kicked to the curb the last time she ran and instead voted FOR A MAN over her. so now go bow to the shine you have set up to her and repeat three times: heil hillary

 

[mudwhistle]

and then we have this. I'm sure that will make all the people in country run right out and vote for him. oh wait, this a Trump said something thread, wasn't it....lol

snip:
how does anyone vote for these people/hypocrites in that party of liars and of nothing but class warfare.

SNIP:
November 11, 2015

Bernie Sanders is running around the country demanding a $15 minimum wage. Surely he pays his employees as much as he’s demanding other employers should, right?

Wrong. See the tweets below, via Twitchy:


ALL of this jokers tweets at the site
OF COURSE: Bernie Sanders Wants $15 Minimum Wage But Guess How Much He Pays His Interns - Progressives Today

If you had a family of four and were working for less than $15 you'd be buying rice and beans 50 lb. at a time:

I have news for you....everybody can't afford an ivy league education. Maybe if we were trying to keep up with the other industrialized countries instead of sucking wind with a "Do Nothing" Republican congress things might be better. Why don't you admit that the main gripe you have with Obama is his tan....it's even better than Boehner's.

A head of the household with a family of four isn't what minimum-wage is supposed to be for. Democrats created the MW as a tool to attack Republicans. It shouldn't be up to the government to pay a living wage to everyone in this country. That's what the market is for. The Democrats are telling their voters a bunch of lies they know aren't true simply to marginalize Republicans. They know most of their ideas don't work in real life......and that's why it's so easy to be a Democrat politician.....because they don't have to follow the rules that exist for everyone else. They can be liars and hypocrites and never suffer any repercussions for it.....especially since they have a corrupt media willing to carry their water.

 

[IlarMeilyr]

The problem with debating minimum wage with conservatives and especially republican conservatives is the issue is not about fairness or morality, it is rather about ideology and opposition involving perceived assumptions about who would get the raise. Underlying the opposition is economic agitprop from corporations whose only concern is next quarter earnings, and the Pavlovian response to anything that helps all Americans. It is part of a mindset created by business for over sixty years. The conservatives are well trained and facts have no place when the idea is an embedded belief. Tell them Clinton raised the rate and all went well and you have sufficiently countered them, but they still follow, as again it is not about rationality but rather about opposition based on ideology. Belief systems run deep for some. See book at bottom.

'Nearly 3 years, and counting: Minimum wage increase helps working families and the economy'
Nearly 3 years, and counting: Minimum wage increase helps working families and the economy

Raising the Minimum Wage to $12 by 2020 Would Lift Wages for 35 Million American Workers

"It turns out that the Wall Street bonus pool in 2014 was roughly twice the total annual earnings of all Americans working full time at the federal minimum wage." http://www.nytimes.com/2015/05/03/opinion/sunday/nicholas-kristof-inequality-is-a-choice.html

"And yet over the course of the decade the old skepticism toward business that had been born in the Great Depression and reawakened for a new generation in the Vietnam era finally began to disappear. The economic transformations of the decade would be interpreted through the framework of the free market vision. The 1970s campaigns to revive the image of capitalism among college students bore fruit in the 1980s. Universities created new centers for the study of business themes such as entrepreneurship. Students in Free Enterprise, a group started in 1975 to bring students together to "discuss what they might do to counteract the stultifying criticism of American business," thrived on small college campuses, funded by companies like Coors, Dow Chemical, and Walmart (as well as the Business Roundtable). The group organized battles of the bands, at which prizes would be doled out to the best pro-business rock anthems, helped silkscreen T-shirts with pro-capitalist messages, and created skits based on Milton Friedman's writings, which college students would perform in local elementary schools. In the workplace, the decline of the old manufacturing cities of [he North and Midwest and the rise of the sprawling suburbs of the Sunbelt metropolises marked the rise of a new economic culture, dominated by companies such as Walmart and Home Depot and Barnes & Noble." Kim Phillips-Fein ('Invisible Hands')

The problem with "debating" topics like "minimum wage" with modern day "liberals" is illustrated by the rigid orthodoxy in the shallow thinking of their dim wit thought leaders, such as midcanard, here.

They put their orthodoxy blinders on and say if " 'minimum wage' has helped any low income level worker, then it is entirely a good thing."

But they are incapable of appreciating that as wages rise, costs do too, if not in lock step, then over time. And as costs rise, so will prices. And as the prices rise, the actual benefit of the higher minimum wages will be erased. Longer term, it could become a cycle but that only translates into the fact that the money used to pay the labor force and to purchase the goods and services will be reduced in value. Whether they like it or even grasp it is not going to change the fact that there IS a rough form of rationality in a market system.

If you want higher actual income and more dependable long term access to goods and services, then you will need to do better in school, get ongoing re-education an/or re-training, get "better" more naturally high paying jobs, work harder, work smarter and/or be MORE productive to give the employers more bang for their bucks.

 

[Care4all]

So, the way to compete with China getting all of our manufacturing is to bring USA wages DOWN to China's wages?


What a STUPID comment and thoughtless idea.

Yeah that's right pinhead, we want to pay you $17 a day and a bowl of rice.

Now go run vote for your Socialist.

It's what Trump said....we need LOWER wages to compete with the Chinas of the global economy.

It's clear as day light, what Trump said and meant, no other explanation for it.

Bring American wages DOWN, so we can compete...

 

[Campbell]

and then we have this. I'm sure that will make all the people in country run right out and vote for him. oh wait, this a Trump said something thread, wasn't it....lol

snip:
how does anyone vote for these people/hypocrites in that party of liars and of nothing but class warfare.

SNIP:
November 11, 2015

Bernie Sanders is running around the country demanding a $15 minimum wage. Surely he pays his employees as much as he’s demanding other employers should, right?

Wrong. See the tweets below, via Twitchy:


ALL of this jokers tweets at the site
OF COURSE: Bernie Sanders Wants $15 Minimum Wage But Guess How Much He Pays His Interns - Progressives Today

If you had a family of four and were working for less than $15 you'd be buying rice and beans 50 lb. at a time:

I have news for you....everybody can't afford an ivy league education. Maybe if we were trying to keep up with the other industrialized countries instead of sucking wind with a "Do Nothing" Republican congress things might be better. Why don't you admit that the main gripe you have with Obama is his tan....it's even better than Boehner's.

A head of the household with a family of four isn't what minimum-wage is supposed to be for. Democrats created the MW as a tool to attack Republicans. It shouldn't be up to the government to pay a living wage to everyone in this country. That's what the market is for. The Democrats are telling their voters a bunch of lies they know aren't true simply to marginalize Republicans. They know most of their ideas don't work in real life......and that's why it's so easy to be a Democrat politician.....because they don't have to follow the rules that exist for everyone else. They can be liars and hypocrites and never suffer any repercussions for it.....especially since they have a corrupt media willing to carry their water.

I'll tell you what the market is for.......to make billionaires out of millionaires. I've gottcher corrupt media a schwangin. I suppose you think Fox is OK....I mean they lie 24/7. Ol Roger really has an outlet there!

 

[Stephanie]

So, the way to compete with China getting all of our manufacturing is to bring USA wages DOWN to China's wages?


What a STUPID comment and thoughtless idea.

Yeah that's right pinhead, we want to pay you $17 a day and a bowl of rice.

Now go run vote for your Socialist.

It's what Trump said....we need LOWER wages to compete with the Chinas of the global economy.

It's clear as day light, what Trump said and meant, no other explanation for it.

Bring American wages DOWN, so we can compete...

if you say so. but for some reason today I'm not one to believe you or care what he said. you all go vote for the TWO lousy choices YOUR PARTY gave to you. that is no ones fault but all you in their base for not speaking up about it. If you need to run on this type dirty politics then something is wrong and it's with you all

 

[IlarMeilyr]

So, the way to compete with China getting all of our manufacturing is to bring USA wages DOWN to China's wages?


What a STUPID comment and thoughtless idea.

Yeah that's right pinhead, we want to pay you $17 a day and a bowl of rice.

Now go run vote for your Socialist.

It's what Trump said....we need LOWER wages to compete with the Chinas of the global economy.

It's clear as day light, what Trump said and meant, no other explanation for it.

It is clear what he MEANT. YOUR spin is the spin that makes no sense.

He wasn't talking about something as foolish as the fake liberal sin on it.

He wasn't saying "America, to be competitive, you should all take wage cuts!" THAT kind of liberal "interpretation" on what he said is obviously bullshit spin.

OBVIOUSLY, what he WAS addressing is the foolishness of tolerating the governmental intrusion into the capitalist system with such arbitrary and baseless artificial "minimums" being imposed on what folks "should" make and now what they are ordered to get, at a minimum.

The wisdom of such a GOVERNMENT ordered minimum wage which is completely devoid of underlying logic is more than dubious.

In fact, it IS a good idea to slow down and take a deep breath to permit folks with some actual economic understanding of such things to weigh in. For EXAMPLE, if WE arbitrarily and with complete artificiality raise the minimum hourly wage of all workers, then we cannot hope to have a competitive edge against many other labor forces in the world who get significantly lower wages. What happens when we cannot compete effectively in the arena of (for example) cost per unit? Well, it turns out that the "buyers" tend to gravitate toward the less expensive versions all other things being more or less equal.

Result? The jobs evaporate here because the companies that make the products cannot sell them at a high enough price to generate a profit. And without a profit, companies kinda end up being forced out of the market.

The wishful thinking that under-girds the machinations of modern American liberalism is simply disconnected from reality. But damned if their stupid notions don't have dire consequences.