Trump and Evangelical religion pro's and con's. Should Religion even be involved in the election?

[Luckyone]

I do vote, I vote for the candidate that agrees with me on many issues and less debt is important to me.

So that means that you will be voting for Harris?

 

[Papageorgio]

You’re a liar. I cannot kill a baby legally. No one can kill a baby legally. There is only one person who can call a fetus developing in a woman’s body a baby. That’s the woman who is gestating the fetus.. Who do you think you are Saint_Papageorgio?

Facts are facts, a fetus is an unborn human, a baby as some dictionaries claim so, you are wrong.

 

[Papageorgio]

Sorry, it was a typo, It still is a huge number. Did you run out of ability to debate and have to prove me wrong on something not important to the topic? You are grasping now.

I wasn’t trying to prove you wrong, I agree with you however I wanted clarification, sorry you are so insecure.

 

[Papageorgio]

So that means that you will be voting for Harris?

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Harris is bribing votes will billions of dollars, increasing debt and increasing taxes as we go further in debt, I am as likely to vote for her as I am Trump, which won’t happen. I have no reason to vote for Harris or Trump, just lots of reasons from Democrats and Republicans on why not to vote for either of them.

 

[whutTHEYsay]

Facts are facts, a fetus is an unborn human, a baby as some dictionaries claim so, you are wrong.

Why do you use Catholic propaganda instead medical terminology

You are definitely opposed to reproductive freedom for American women by your appeal to emotional government intrusion over rational governance involving very private sexual matters.

Fetus or baby? Why language around pregnancy matters

When it comes to pregnancy, language is important. At Clue we use accurate medical terminology to improve understanding of embryonic and fetal development.

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Why the words we use are important​

The language we use to describe pregnancy and the developing embryo or fetus is important. Unfortunately, language has become part of the fight over access to abortion. Media outlets have put out guidance for their journalists on how to use certain terms when reporting on abortion, noting that language can be manipulated for political gain and not medical accuracy (11, 12).

The language we're exposed to may impact our attitudes toward abortion. In one study, Polish college students took a survey on fetal development. About half of the group was randomly assigned questions that used the term "fetus" and the other half answered questions that used the term "child". The group that was exposed to questions that used the word “child” to describe a fetus was less likely to support abortion when polled at the end of the study (10).

Several so-called “fetal heartbeat” bills were introduced on the state level in the US in 2019 (13). While none of these laws are in effect as of May 1, 2021 (14), this legislation aimed to ban abortion once embryonic cardiac activity can be detected (which is seen earliest on an ultrasound around 6 weeks of pregnancy) (2). Many people may not know they are pregnant this early in the pregnancy and their options are limited by such legislation.

Some people believe that the term "fetal heartbeat" was used by lawmakers not only to elicit a visceral response about “heartbeats,” but also in an attempt to redefine viability by suggesting that embryonic cardiac activity is a sign of viability (15). In reality, the true definition of viability means that a fetus is able to survive outside the uterus and generally isn’t possible for another 18 weeks after detection of embryonic cardiac activity (around 24 weeks of pregnancy) (2), and only then, with intensive care.

The Clue Pregnancy Mode uses medically accurate terminology when referring to embryos, fetuses (feti), and infants, but you can choose to use the language that makes sense for you when talking about your pregnancy. Some people may choose to call their embryo or fetus a “baby” because it helps them feel more bonded, while other people may prefer the more scientific language. Feel free to let people know what terms you would like them to use in reference to your pregnancy.

 

[Papageorgio]

Why do you use Catholic propaganda instead medical terminology

You are definitely opposed to reproductive freedom for American women by your appeal to emotional government intrusion over rational governance involving very private sexual matters.

Fetus or baby? Why language around pregnancy matters

When it comes to pregnancy, language is important. At Clue we use accurate medical terminology to improve understanding of embryonic and fetal development.

helloclue.com

Why the words we use are important​

The language we use to describe pregnancy and the developing embryo or fetus is important. Unfortunately, language has become part of the fight over access to abortion. Media outlets have put out guidance for their journalists on how to use certain terms when reporting on abortion, noting that language can be manipulated for political gain and not medical accuracy (11, 12).

The language we're exposed to may impact our attitudes toward abortion. In one study, Polish college students took a survey on fetal development. About half of the group was randomly assigned questions that used the term "fetus" and the other half answered questions that used the term "child". The group that was exposed to questions that used the word “child” to describe a fetus was less likely to support abortion when polled at the end of the study (10).

Several so-called “fetal heartbeat” bills were introduced on the state level in the US in 2019 (13). While none of these laws are in effect as of May 1, 2021 (14), this legislation aimed to ban abortion once embryonic cardiac activity can be detected (which is seen earliest on an ultrasound around 6 weeks of pregnancy) (2). Many people may not know they are pregnant this early in the pregnancy and their options are limited by such legislation.

Some people believe that the term "fetal heartbeat" was used by lawmakers not only to elicit a visceral response about “heartbeats,” but also in an attempt to redefine viability by suggesting that embryonic cardiac activity is a sign of viability (15). In reality, the true definition of viability means that a fetus is able to survive outside the uterus and generally isn’t possible for another 18 weeks after detection of embryonic cardiac activity (around 24 weeks of pregnancy) (2), and only then, with intensive care.

The Clue Pregnancy Mode uses medically accurate terminology when referring to embryos, fetuses (feti), and infants, but you can choose to use the language that makes sense for you when talking about your pregnancy. Some people may choose to call their embryo or fetus a “baby” because it helps them feel more bonded, while other people may prefer the more scientific language. Feel free to let people know what terms you would like them to use in reference to your pregnancy.

I have no problem with you killing babies, as your article brings out you can choose to call it what you want and am using proper definitions, you just don’t like my words, which I can accept. The definitions are there to use, that you don’t like it is not my problem. Again, I have not said you can’t kill a baby, go ahead if taking a life is what you want to do. I’m not sure what your issue is. You are free to kill babies like you are wanting for all women to do have a choice to kill their baby or not, it is all good with me.

 

[whutTHEYsay]

Facts are facts, a fetus is an unborn human, a baby as some dictionaries claim so, you are wrong.

How arrogant of you to tell me I’m wrong.

I told you the only person who can chose to refer to her fetus as a baby is the woman who is carrying it. And you argue “some” dictionaries say….

My daughter had her first baby 14 months ago and when she told us she was pregnant she did not refer to her fetus as a baby. She did not want to get attached before getting past 20 weeks and certain she would not have a miscarriage. So why is it your ******* business Saint_Papageorgio that she is wrong to refer to her fetus as a baby for twenty weeks because some dictionaries say so.

 

[whutTHEYsay]

I have no problem with you killing babies, as your article brings out you can choose to call it what you want and am using proper definitions, you just don’t like my words, which I can accept. The definitions are there to use, that you don’t like it is not my problem. Again, I have not said you can’t kill a baby, go ahead if taking a life is what you want to do. I’m not sure what your issue is. You are free to kill babies like you are wanting for all women to do have a choice to kill their baby or not, it is all good with me.

Abortion is not a woman killing a baby.

You are a rightwing goon - that is what the issue is.

 

[whutTHEYsay]

you just don’t like my words,

No. I want your explanation as to why you use Catholic and Republican Party propaganda words when you say you don’t care if women decide to terminate their pregnancies. You are weird.

 

[whutTHEYsay]

I have not said you can’t kill a baby

I do not intend to kill a baby. Your statement is a lie. I do not condone liars.

 

[American Eagle]

Beware of people who repeatedly use the word "should."

 

[whutTHEYsay]

Harris is bribing votes will billions of dollars, increasing debt and increasing taxes as we go

Increasing taxes on $400,000 and up
only. That is well above working class.

 

[TruthNotBS]

Agreed. And for the vast majority of problems we face as a society, it's not required.


Yeah, yeah. The usual stereotypes. I don't oppose state welfare for those reasons.

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Marxists love to talk about what is "inevitable". We'll find a way to make good use of AI, and no socialism will be required.

The vast majority of problems in our lives don't need the government, granted, I agree! Notice my definition of a democratic government. It's a social apparatus, organized by the people, to manage their LARGE SCALE socioeconomic and civil affairs and projects. It's that which you and I as individuals or even as owners of a privately owned business enterprise, can't or aren't willing to effectively or fairly address and resolve.

It doesn't matter how much money we have, we can't do it, as individual citizens or even as members of a social group organization, because there's no authority there to do it.

Your house is burning and you didn't pay for fire insurance, so, the private firefighting company decides to take its sweet time to your burning house, sometimes even waiting for the mayor or city council to call you up "Please take care of that fire and we'll pay you".

Here is another one...You live in the boondocks with a few hundred people, out in the country, and the private for-profit mail service doesn't deliver mail there, hence you don't get mail. The government will set up a post-office in the boondocks, because it's a civil service and "profitability" is irrelevant. It's a government service.

Here is the last one..You own a small business, a great restaurant that people love, but you now (unlike in the past), have homeless people setting up tents outside your business, urinating and defecating on the sidewalk, harassing and even threatening your customers. The local, city government run by liberals, doesn't have the cojones, to impose ordinances that will prevent these homeless miscreants, and junkies, from destroying their once-beautiful city (you probably already know which city this analogy is alluding to)......

So the "evil" socialist federal government intervenes and forces (using the police and national guard) all of these homeless people, into a special emergency housing "camp", on the outskirts of the city, where social workers assess what type of government services these people need. Is this person homeless just for financial reasons, is this individual addicted to narcotics, are they mentally ill...etc? They're "triaged" at the camp.

The people who are homeless strictly due to financial reasons are placed in government housing, the people with substance abuse problems, go to rehab, and the mentally ill go to the psych-ward. There's a government program to get these people off the streets, and you know who agrees with my socialist party, on this issue? Trump:

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The liberals complain, that this is being "hardline", but it's just common sense. The government has to get involved because this serious social crisis (This BIG PROJECT) can't be resolved by the private, for-profit sector, or a Christian homeless mission or ministry, it takes a government to do this. With all of its legitimate authority and vast resources.

Now sir, Mr Dblack, do you realize how advanced robotics has become in the last twenty years? Are you aware of the present capabilities of intelligent robots and artificial intelligence? It's not the automation of the 1970s, 80s, or 90s, we're currently in 2024, in the realm of Sci-Fi. We're now living in a "science fiction" world, as ridiculous as this might sound, it's true.

If I'm a capitalist, I don't need human labor to do the job anymore, I can invest in smart robots and AI, and produce the goods and services that consumers need. Those human laborers are a pain in the ass. They get tired, they talk back to me, they're always asking, even demanding, higher wages, and when they get injured they sue me. Mr. Dblack, I don't need these obnoxious, expensive meat-sacks working for me anymore, I have robots and AI.

All of my competitors are fully automating their businesses, I need to do the same or I'm toast. However, I also realize as a capitalist, that without human wage labor, there aren't any paying customers. The consumer under capitalism, needs money to consume, and most consumers rely on their jobs to generate an income, or earn money. So if we capitalists, replace these stinky sacks of protoplasm, with robots and AI, who the hell is going to buy our products?

So now I turn from Mr Dblack to my cronies in the US government and I demand..."I need you, to bail me out of this major crisis, by printing at least 4 trillion dollars yearly, which you will give to the American public, as a monthly income of $1000. I need paying customers, and those customers need money, in order to buy my products and services".

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Do you understand now, how this works? I don't need to hire whiney humans, I have robots and AI that work 24/7 for me, at about 50¢ hourly, in electricity and maintenance costs.

That entails, letting go of tens of millions of people out of the job market, and eventually, hundreds of millions of workers won't have jobs or a source of income. I don't really care, I don't need them anymore.

So I'm going to demand my cronies in government, give me some socialism, by paying consumers, a monthly income, that way I can preserve my wealth and plutocratic power.

I'm afraid that the working-class will take my assets away from me, and my influence over the government. I want to maintain my social status, wealth, and political power. So I'm going to have the government bail me out monthly (socialism for the rich), by giving the former working-class (now unemployed), $1000 a month.

This will keep capitalism on life-support for at least another 50 years, maybe even a century or two. Provided the goods and services we capitalist techno-lords produce, are affordable. Since I now have a workforce that words 24/7 for me, without being paid wages or whining about everything they don't like, threatening me with their labor union..Since I don't have to deal with that shit anymore, and I'm 100 times more efficient than I was as an employer (exploiter) of meat sacks, I can charge five times less for my goods and services.

A $1000 income will be the equivalent of what $5.000 a month is today. Of course, this all depends upon the government providing the public with that free money (socialism for the rich), and keeping me and my family, in our current position of dominance over society, the economy, and the political sphere, as a feudal techlord.

Welcome to techno-feudalism, where the working class is reduced to unproductive, consumer-serfs, whose only purpose is to maintain the current capitalist class in power. The current capitalist class refuses to relinquish ownership of the mines, factories, and all of the other assets of production (autonomous, self-driving machinery, smart robots, AI, supercomputers), or their control over our government.

The people will no longer need any government services, like Medicare, Medicaid, Social Security, and most other government services because they're now receiving a welfare check or UBI. The capitalist continues to say:

Sure, they're going to have to pay us capitalists for all of those services, and they're going to have less disposable income, but that's the nature of the beast, life is a *****.

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Too bad, we're obviously the fittest, because we own everything, including the government.

"Survival Of The Fittest"​

I and my family, my fellow capitalists, the members of my socioeconomic class, who own everything, will live in beautiful gated communities, surrounded by smart, sexy robots, and they will produce everything. We don't really need markets anymore hehehehe, we just have those markets for the former working class, until we figure out a way to "cull the herd", you know what I mean? These "working class" folks love markets, we really did a good job of brainwashing them during the Cold War.

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We need to be careful because if the general populace, 94% of the population (the former working class, who are now worthless, unproductive consumer serfs), figure out that, they can own the means of production (all of the sexy robots), they won't need us anymore hehehe, yeah. Scary.

If they experienced one day of our lives living in this beautiful, gated community, essentially a high-tech paradise, they would want what we have. We have to keep them, more or less ignorant and satisfied with their monthly government welfare check of $1000. They're relying on us to provide them with the goods and services that they need.

We capitalists don't need markets anymore, and we rely on the government to keep the barbarians outside of the gates until we figure out a way to get rid of them (drugs, crime, incarceration, wars abroad, pandemics..etc). Essentially, we're now the socialists, hehehehe, who own the means of production and produce everything to meet our needs and wants, without needing profits or even money.

We control the government and we're essentially the "commie-techlords", while the masses are spending their government welfare checks ("UBI") on the products and services that we provide them with. They hardly have any income left after we juice them dry, but that's life...for them anyway.

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[Luckyone]

You said "We are not given another choice, meaning we have to pick the least worse." That's not true.

Any more questions?

What other choice are given that can actually win?

 

[Papageorgio]

How arrogant of you to tell me I’m wrong.

I told you the only person who can chose to refer to her fetus as a baby is the woman who is carrying it. And you argue “some” dictionaries say….

My daughter had her first baby 14 months ago and when she told us she was pregnant she did not refer to her fetus as a baby. She did not want to get attached before getting past 20 weeks and certain she would not have a miscarriage. So why is it your ******* business Saint_Papageorgio that she is wrong to refer to her fetus as a baby for twenty weeks because some dictionaries say so.

You don’t like being wrong, not my issue. The fetus is a baby, whether you like it or not is not material to the real definition.

 

[Papageorgio]

Abortion is not a woman killing a baby.

You are a rightwing goon - that is what the issue is.

By definition it is, it is called science, the fact you don’t like it is irrelevant to the fact. That you cannot accept facts is on you.

 

[Papageorgio]

No. I want your explanation as to why you use Catholic and Republican Party propaganda words when you say you don’t care if women decide to terminate their pregnancies. You are weird.

It’s called science, take that up with scientists.

 

[Papageorgio]

I do not intend to kill a baby. Your statement is a lie. I do not condone liars.

I never said you intend to kill a baby, you are now just being St Stupid.

 

[TruthNotBS]

Typo correction:

"Your house is burning and you didn't pay for fire insurance, so, the private firefighting company decides to take its sweet time to your burning house, sometimes even waiting for the mayor or city council to call you up "Please take care of that fire and we'll pay you".

Correction:

"Your house is burning and you didn't pay for fire insurance, so, the private firefighting company decides to take its sweet time to your burning house, sometimes even waiting for the mayor or city council to call them up "Please take care of that fire and we'll pay you".

 

[Papageorgio]

Increasing taxes on $400,000 and up
only. That is well above working class.

Why increase taxes if we aren’t going to cut debt? We need to cut spending and increase taxes on everyone, making campaign bribes is plain stupid and tells me these to so called leaders have no reason to vote for either one.