Trump and Evangelical religion pro's and con's. Should Religion even be involved in the election?

Pack a lunch.


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Already eating it while enjoying laughing at your posts.

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So, is our debt backed up by what they print or what they collect from working Americans?

If it's backed up by what they print why not print enough for all to stay home and relax?
Because you need production. If the US Federal Government were to deposit five million dollars in every American's checking account, no one would go to work the next day and prices would go through the roof. In other words, the economy would collapse. There would be no production. Let me explain to you how it works.

GDP, or Gross Domestic Product, is the total monetary value of all goods and services produced within a country's borders over a specific period, typically a year or a quarter. It serves as a broad measure of a nation's overall economic activity and production capacity. The US Federal Government's yearly budget shouldn't exceed our nation's GDP. The budget constraints of the US Federal Government is the nation's GDP - Production Capacity.

2024 GDP: 27 Trillion Dollars.

So if the US Federal Government has a budget of several trillion dollars yearly, it can cover the expense of those social programs that you are concerned about because you believe they rely on taxation. No they don't. When the US Federal Government allocates money for social services or infrastructural development, that contributes to the nation's production capacity or GDP. If more people are put to work, and are educated, housed, have access to healthcare, public transit..etc. it contributes to the nation's production capacity, expanding the US economy. Social services actually save money in the long-term, because without those services, a segment of society becomes seriously unstable, incurring a higher cost to the nation.
 
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Because you need production. If the US Federal Government were to deposit five million dollars in every American's checking account, no one would go to work the next day and prices would go through the roof. In other words, the economy would collapse. There would be no production. Let me explain to you how it works.

GDP, or Gross Domestic Product, is the total monetary value of all goods and services produced within a country's borders over a specific period, typically a year or a quarter. It serves as a broad measure of a nation's overall economic activity and production capacity. The US Federal Government's yearly budget shouldn't exceed our nation's GDP. The budget constraints of the US Federal Government is the nation's GDP - Production Capacity.

2024 GDP: 27 Trillion Dollars.

So if the US Federal Government has a budget of several trillion dollars yearly, it can cover the expense of those social programs that you are concerned about because you believe they rely on taxation. No they don't. When the US Federal Government allocates money for social services or infrastructural development, that contributes to the nation's production capacity or GDP. If more people are put to work, and are educated, housed, have access to healthcare, public transit..etc. it contributes to the nation's production capacity, expanding the US economy. Social services actually save money in the lomg-term, because without those services, a segment of society becomes seriously unstable, incurring a higher cost to the nation.
It does seem that your intelligent and clear explanation of how it all works is falling on deaf ears and blind-by-choice eyes, or worse being the possibility of it falling on a mind that does not have the ability of understanding of how things work (meaning that person lives in a fantasy world).

I applaud you for continuing to try, but I think you are probably wasting your time explaining it to him.
 
Democrats have the desire to force someone else to help the poor.
Yes, they want the rich to pay their "fair" share. No one likes to be taken advantage of. Do you?

As Americans, we all need to contribute OUR fair share to the welfare of the nation. You think the rich should not have to?

If you feel otherwise, perhaps it is time for you to move out of the U.S. and go live here

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Not a single Justice's decision was based on religion. They were all based on law.
No. That is absolutely not true.

The religious right consisting of militant Abrahamic Catholics and white evangelical Christian Abrahamic nationalists put Republican senators and presidents in power to appoint and seat supreme court justices. They have managed to get six militant Abrahamic Catholic justices on the Supreme Court to find such religion related decisions as the Dobbs decision that overturned Roe versus Wade.

There is no secular group in existence pushing the Supreme Court to interpret the constitution favorable to Catholic doctrine. That doctrine is that the sanctity of life begins at conception. The Supreme Court did not insist upon that determination, but they do allow states to deprive women of their rights to decide whether or not they recognize a life inside their body as made in the image of God at the moment of conception or not.

Without religion in politics through the Republican party, there would never have been an abortion ban in this country.
 
Native Americans didn’t create the country. English settlers did

That is a lie. English Settlers did not create a country. The English settled and cultivated the land in the New World in order to acquire rights to possession of property by doing something with the land. They were expanding the British Empire. They were not creating a country.

The native people could not contest European property laws mostly because they didn’t have musket balls and gunpowder. They only could move westward if they did not want to be civilized by the Europeans in the name of their God.
 
That is a lie. English Settlers did not create a country. The English settled and cultivated the land in the New World in order to acquire rights to possession of property by doing something with the land. They were expanding the British Empire. They were not creating a country.

The native people could not contest European property laws mostly because they didn’t have musket balls and gunpowder. They only could move westward if they did not want to be civilized by the Europeans in the name of their God.
Nope, they were 13 colonies, they fought a revolutionary war against the British crown, gained their independence and created the United States

Check out a history book some time
 
Nope, they were 13 colonies, they fought a revolutionary war against the British crown, gained their independence and created the United States
The revolutionary war was not fought by English settlers. The Settlers did not create the United States of America. English Settlers pushed the native inhabitants off the land in the name of the King of England and Jesus Christ Almighty. Then they died before the American revolution.
 
The revolutionary war was not fought by English settlers. The Settlers did not create the United States of America. English Settlers pushed thenative inhabitants off the land in the name of the King of England and Jesus Christ Almighty. Then they died before the American revolution.
Haha of course it was, Washington for example was a British subject, until we gained our independence

Who do you think we gained our independence from???

Holy cow
 
Washington for example was a British subject,
George Washington was not a settler. He was a Freemason and a Colonist. He was born in Virginia; a very “settled” colony. When you are born in a British colony, you are not considered a settler.

What is your point? Of course, Washington was a British subject until General Charles O’Hara carried Cornwallis’ sword to the American and French commanders in Yorktown.

George Washington was born at his family's plantation on Popes Creek in Westmoreland County, Virginia, on February 22, 1732, to Augustine and Mary Ball Washington. George's father was a leading planter in the area and served as a justice of the county court.​
Augustine Washington's first wife, Jane Butler, died in 1729, leaving him with two sons, Lawrence and Augustine, Jr., and a daughter, Jane. George was the eldest of Augustine and Mary's six children: George, Elizabeth, Samuel, John Augustine, Charles, and Mildred.​
Ferry Farm Around 1734, the family moved up the Potomac River to another Washington property, Little Hunting Creek Plantation (later renamed Mount Vernon). In 1738, they moved again to Ferry Farm, a plantation on the Rappahannock River near Fredericksburg, Virginia, where George spent much of his youth.​
Little is known of George Washington's childhood, and it remains the most poorly understood part of his life. When he was eleven years old, his father Augustine died, leaving most of his property to George's adult half brothers. The income from what remained was just sufficient to maintain Mary Washington and her children. As the oldest of Mary's children, George undoubtedly helped his mother manage the Rappahannock River plantation where they lived. There he learned the importance of hard work and efficiency.​
 
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George Washington was not a settler. He was a Freemason and a Colonist. He was born in Virginia; a very “settled” colony. When you are born in a British colony, you are not considered a settler.

What is your point? Of course, Washington was a British subject until General Charles O’Hara carried Cornwallis’ sword to the American and French commanders in Yorktown.

George Washington was born at his family's plantation on Popes Creek in Westmoreland County, Virginia, on February 22, 1732, to Augustine and Mary Ball Washington. George's father was a leading planter in the area and served as a justice of the county court.​
Augustine Washington's first wife, Jane Butler, died in 1729, leaving him with two sons, Lawrence and Augustine, Jr., and a daughter, Jane. George was the eldest of Augustine and Mary's six children: George, Elizabeth, Samuel, John Augustine, Charles, and Mildred.​
Ferry Farm Around 1734, the family moved up the Potomac River to another Washington property, Little Hunting Creek Plantation (later renamed Mount Vernon). In 1738, they moved again to Ferry Farm, a plantation on the Rappahannock River near Fredericksburg, Virginia, where George spent much of his youth.​
Little is known of George Washington's childhood, and it remains the most poorly understood part of his life. When he was eleven years old, his father Augustine died, leaving most of his property to George's adult half brothers. The income from what remained was just sufficient to maintain Mary Washington and her children. As the oldest of Mary's children, George undoubtedly helped his mother manage the Rappahannock River plantation where they lived. There he learned the importance of hard work and efficiency.​
Sure colonist were settlers, they settled in the British Colonies, and fought for their independence and created a country

As far as being a Free Mason, ok…don’t really care what social clubs he joined
 
Sure colonist were settlers,
New arrivals to an established colony are not settlers. They are immigrants..

Men like George Washington, who was born in established colony, was not a settler. And had Washington decided to pack up his family and moved to the Louisiana territory then he would have been a settler. Get it.
 
New arrivals to an established colony are not settlers. They are immigrants..

Men like George Washington, who was born in established colony, was not a settler. And had Washington decided to pack up his family and moved to the Louisiana territory then he would have been a settler. Get it.
Haha it was a British coloney, they were British. They weren’t immigrants.

Immigrants come from one country to another.

There was no country here when the British came here and settled, not until they fought for their independence and formed their own country, the United States.
 
Trump has been "using" the Evangelicals and quoting God as a way to get elected. and recently with the attempted assassination attempt he experienced, according to Trump, God is watching out for him and that is the reason why he was not killed. In addition, Megan Kelly tried to confirm that by making the case that Trump was shot at 6:11pm and that is meaningful on a biblical basis............In reading Ephesian 6:11 where it says "Put on the full armor of God, so that you can take your stand against the devil’s schemes." Megan Kelly says that it means that Trump has the "full armor of God" on his side and the Democratic "devils" were the ones trying to kill him.

Nonetheless, this video makes the very good case that the opposite meaning is most likely to be the case, quoting other 6:11's verses in the Bible. See this and have a good laugh



I have 2 questions for you:

1) "Should Trump be using God and Religion to win the presidency"?
2) "Knowing who Trump is and hearing the above video, should the Evangelicals be supporting Trump"?


They do one whole hell of a lot cherry picking of the bible. The parts they do not like, they ignore.
 
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