Trump Administration Admits Defeat on COVID-19, Surrenders as Failures

[AzogtheDefiler]

Translation:

HEY - IGNORE the Biden Corruption Scandal - LOOK OVER HERE...

Translation:
Yep, we and our supporters screwed the country on containment and control of the biggest, most infectious, deadliest pandemic in 100 years, so all we got is a last minute scandal about Biden's kid. Everybody likes scandal to divert attention, so vote for us and we will give you more. Good luck on the virus, as you will get no leadership from us. It is election year. Winning more important than people dying.

What would you have done differently? The places where strict lockdowns took place had the most spread? Can you name one pro, college or HS athlete who has died from COVID anywhere in the world? Just one. Thank you.

Lockdowns don’t work. It remains a mystery as to why the world entered one

Surjit S Bhalla writes: Lockdowns were an unnatural experiment and, around the world, they have not worked in achieving their major health objective of less infections or slower pace of infections.

www.google.com

College football player dies of COVID-19 complications

College football player dies of COVID-19 complications

Jamain Stephens — a 20-year-old defensive lineman at the California University of Pennsylvania — was the son of a former Steeler.

nypost.com

'Chad was beloved by all his teammates': Davidson County basketball player, 19, dies from COVID-19 complications

'Chad was beloved by all his teammates': Davidson County basketball player, 19, dies from COVID-19 complications

Chad Dorrill was a recent Ledford High School graduate and team member of the Piedmont Pacers.

www.wfmynews2.com

Puyallup High School graduate dies of COVID-19 complications

Eli Sevener played football and baseball and graduated in 2019.

Puyallup High School graduate dies of COVID-19 complications

Eli Sevener played football and baseball and graduated in 2019.

www.king5.com

Here are a few example of what you asked about. Why concentrate on young athletes? Middle aged and older Americans not worth your concern? Makes you sound like a trump supporter.

ALL three of the links say they died of COVID-19 COMPLICATIONS, which suggest an underlying health issue.

The CDC have showed that only 6% of all China Virus related deaths, was from the virus infection itself.

Yah, yah, yah, and most people that die because of regular flue actually die of pneumonia caused by getting the flu. People have conditions that they live with fine until something like this strikes. You cannot win this argument, unless you are going to just go ahead and exterminate every body with any type of medical conditions and then start adding up your pure count of Covid dead. Doubt you are going to change many death certificates.

You cannot win this argument at all...You are the one insisting that what clearly isn't working continue to be done.

You are, by definition, insane.

Take your meds and blow me.

Translation: "I am insane and have no argument".

Translation you made your little amateur diagnosis ( typical trumpian BS) and cannot prove it, so blow me, Clown.

Your hatred for Trump has blinded you. You are irrational like AOC.

Your love of Trump has blinded you. You are irrational as any cultist follower. Enjoy the Kool-Aide.

No “e” in Kool Aid and no my hatred of lying Democrats has me all in against them and their lies. My kids are still home because of their bullshit worry and teachers and politicians still getting paid fully for not doing their jobs. I ask Again, what would you have done differently than Trump? Democrats are liars with their fake Russia conspiracy bullshit and now blaming Trump for this instead of China.

I said it in an earlier post today. Not going to look it up. You do it.

Why not? It’s your post? Pretty rude. You going to put me on ignore too like the cowardly OP? Amazing how Democrats don’t want to debate but just want an echo chamber.

Hey Azog. It popped up in my alerts, something I post at 11:48 this morning, so I copied it. I just did not want to have to look it up and ain't on the payroll. Here ya go. :
I would have taken some of the same steps, but leveled with the American People, not just favored investment groups. I would have set the example of masking, distancing, and used the bully pulpit to attack those that tried to rally support for ignoring the science as health, we were taught in high school. Trump should have rallied his supporters to fight the virus, not health officials. I definitely would not have suggested various dumb assed treatments, such as internal cleansers, sunlight, or made assurance it would end when warm weather came. I would not have held spreader events against the recommendation of health experts. I would not have made fun of people for masking. I would not have nationalized PPE purchased and on the way to hospitals early in the epidemic, to turn over to selected wholesalers to be sold for higher profits. He was a bad leader in time of crises and that is all that counts. Anybody can play leader when the going is easy. When the chips are down is the only time that counts. Heck, he wasn't that great when times were supposed to be easy. Trump being trump is what got him impeached.

But initially the CDC and the surgeon general said masks were bad?

Initially, I think they were trying to make sure their first responders and hospital front line personnel were covered. They were masking in other countries at that time. Doctors are always masking to protect patients from infection and have worn masks to protect themselves (as possible) from the illnesses of patients. It is kind of elementary, old school, first line protection, especially with diseases that cause coughing. This isn't some new age, just discovered medical technique. Even if it is carried on breath without droplet projected by cough, it keeps it from going as far and some are indeed caught clinging to the fibers in the mask, including non-surgical masks. Any is better than none in my book.

No. They said wearing masks mean you touch your face too much and hence would spread the virus. They didn’t know if it was air-born and thought you d get it by touching your face if you recall. Fauci, Birx, WHO were all wrong but we are blaming Trump.

Hey, like I said, the masking thing is one of the elementary things learned in health and used for generations. It did not take a scientist with a Phd to tell me it was the right way to go this year. Even the little Asian woman coughing her way down the aisle of the plain I was on before I got sick was trying to cover her mouth (just not succeeding) and made me wish I had a mask at the time. Damn sure wished I had, had one 5 days later.

Again lockdowns dont work and masks for life is unrealistic.

What is it that bothers you about a mask. Are you claustrophobic? They do not bother me. Was in Lowes again yesterday in a narrow Hardware aisle for a screw-in hook. Immediate behind me was an old guy with a bad dry sounding cough and every time he breathed out it was a hard houghhhh s sound and visible shoulder slump. Suspect he is screwed, but he was masked and I was definitely glad I was masked. I swear Azog, if you ever worked, climbed, crawled, fired, loaded a tank, just did the normal things that sometime make up a day as a tanker for 8 or 10 hours, in full Military Operational Protective Posture 4, (which includes a gas mask, charcoal lined suit, hood, boots and rubber gloves to the elbows) a little cloth dbl or triple layer face mask would not seem like anything. Life ain't just a bowl of cherries, ya know, and it will get back to normal sooner or later.

Masks don’t bother me. What bothers me is hypocrisy. Leftists keep yelling to trust science and then they tell me that gender is a construct and ignore science and logical people like you still vote blue. Fucking insanity.

Jeez, the kinks came out with Lola in 1970 and this crap is still bugging the heck out of you? My daughter is 4 years older than you are. I am supposed to be the one stuck in his ways here. Just stay out of the wrong bars and if you are on the internet, don't go to that site.

Wrong. My kids plays sports and they are girls and now they are stuck playing vs trans girls. Why? Because society has gone mad. So now we only trust the science when it’s convenient? I see. All you people are so illogical.

Normal little girls playing against chicks with dicks is not fair. They really ought to have a league of their own, doubt if Tom Hanks would coach, but Madonna would probably be up to play.

Democrats are hypocrites. Want you to wear masks and social distance unless they are “peacefully protesting”. Want you to trust science unless it’s inconvenient for them. Great people..and you vote for them. Sadly.

I don't always vote for them, only when the republicans want to swing too far or do something to damage my stable position. I didn't take up peaceful protest for the year either. I will say, I saw a lot of masked people at times, at the sometimes peaceful protests. Wondered if they were more about hiding their identity, so they wouldn't lose their day job, as peaceful did not seem to last past sundown.
I understand what you are saying, but the fact is most of the democrats were not out there protesting peaceful or otherwise, just like most of the republicans were not out there in Boogaloo, Proud Boys, or random militia BDUs, ALICE gear and loaded for armageddon. If you listen to either of the echo chambers, that is just how it was presented as it suited their respective, un respectable narratives.
Science is not your enemy. At some level, you know this. It is just fashionable to dis science in the current political atmosphere. I had multiple Multiple MRIs two years ago and then my surgeon went into my leg and knee, harvesting parts to make other parts and put me back together. I have the DVD of the complete MRI series from two states on my solid state computer hard drive, that I view on my flat screen monitor. My older brother had triple bypass open heart surgery the year before that, to correct a problem that would have been a death when we were kids. I was born in 1954. This crap did not exist back then. It was science fiction. Now it is science fact.

You missed my point. Hypocrisy is the enemy. Are you even paying attention?

--- Trust science unless it comes to transgender issues
--- Wear masks unless you're protesting and burning shit but we will call it a myth
--- Don't use your majority to confirm a supreme court justice but we will to impeach the President


My issue is hypocrisy and you completely missed it with your diatribe. If we don't even listen to one another then what is the point?

Hypocrisy is one of the hall marks of politics on both sides, and at present as in the past both sides are guilty as I charge. I listen, but both sides over blow their case. Actual reality is somewhere in the middle, as it has always been.

I have never seen it this blatant and to me it screams that they believe that voters are stupid. I am smarter than they are. They will not get my vote and I will spread my message so many more vote RED.

I have heard this charge of hypocrisy on both sides since I was 12. If you think back, so have you. Don't over react and call it new or higher level. It is not.

Give me an example of such blatant hypocrisy from 2012. I'll wait.

No. You keep asking for research projects, but forget I am not on the payroll. But since you are really talking about memory or realization. How about the weapons of mass destruction, to get a war in the entire middle east, while claiming we were the good guys? We were only going to get in, find them and destroy the capability to manufacture, then we supposedly decided on regime change. Yeah.., right. I never did trust that Son-Of-A-Bush.
How about, the draconian warrantless wire taps, Special Rendition and most of the Patriot act in our free country with rights guaranteed by the constitution? Never let a crises go to waste, eh?

Bush lied. I didn't vote for him thankfully!

He was our worst president to date but that wasn't hypocrisy it was just lying.

Hypocrisy is when your party stands for conservative values in support of the constitution, yet you go for government intervention, surveillance, massive fiscal irresponsibility after pushing a balance budget on the opposing party president, keeping your new war off budget for the first 4 years (or was it 8) of your administration. Always speaking up for Geneva convention, until you want to torture prisoners off the American continent, and a host of other things, including green lighting illegal actions of our current president domestically and abroad to the extent of firing all the inspector generals that might rat out your crimes against our laws and the constitution. Nice try, though.

Give me examples. So your party is the Democratic Party. Glad you finally admitted it.

Never said that. I am independent, choosing the best candidate. Gave you examples. Try playing devils advocate and research them yourself. I may give you my opinion and listen to yours, but do not do homework for my own kids, when they were in school and I certainly didn't take you to raise. What's with you, last couple of days. You have been better spoken and more fact based. You just Fkn with me?

????? I am just laughing at how you and others just shrug at the hypocrisy of the Democrats. They treat Kavanaugh like the Devil but dismiss the laptop story as fake news. Bobulinsky to me anyway is more credible than Ford was. You disagree?

I shug at the hypocrisy of both sides, as little I can do about it. I have no problem with Kavanaugh and the decisions he has made on the court, more than anybody else on the court. Have nothing against Amy at the moment. I understand the hypocrisy of Moscow Mitch pushing it through, but basically just shrug. Truest thing trump ever said after he screwed the Covid response was "It is what it is" and it applies to a lot of things after the cards are played.

Only way to beat a virus is to garner herd immunity and watch it die out.

You're a fucking retard, ShortBus. That would result in at least roughly 6 million people dying in America. Whereas a better solution is to develop a vaccine.

6mil? LMAO where did you find that number? We ll see how the vaccine works. I hope you’re right. As far as I can see this only kills the feeble. So you have every right to be scared.

70% of the population, which is the minimum to achieve herd immunity, times 2.6%, the current mortality rate. It involves numbers, ShortBus, so I don't expect you to understand.

2.6% ha ha ha ha aha ha ahbahahahahahahhahahahahahahahahahhahaha
Even the most aggressive models had it at 2mil deaths. Stupid walking corpse.

Great, post them...

CDC shows COVID-19 has high survival rate; doctor still wants to see precautions taken

A CDC update Wednesday says individuals are more likely to survive the coronavirus after contracting it. The health agency says if you have the virus between the ages of 0 to 70, you have a 99% survival rate. And if you’re over 70, the survival rate is nearly 95%. While this CDC update is a …

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Here is another one, walking corpse. Anything else?

LOLOLOLOL

ShortBus .... Scenario 5: Current Best Estimate = 2.5%

You're your own worst enemy.

You fucked up the math and now you ll forever be known as a stupid walking corpse

ShortBus, you still need help with the math...?

231,045 deaths out of 8,962,783 cases equals 2.6%.

Can't you do math without a Liberal helping you?

Dumbass we have had way more cases as many have gone undiagnosed. OMG!!!! LOL...you’re so stupid. My wife definitely had it and recovered but never documented same with my kids. Duh. You’re so stupid. Dumb walking corpse.

We've also had many individuals who've been counted as multiple cases. Still, the fatality rate is about 2.6% according to the most recent numbers.

Nope.

Redirect Notice

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WHO assumed 750mil cases and we had 1 mil deaths at the time. Is that 2.5%? You dumb idiot walking corpse. I have Given you two math equations now that show you’re a fucking idiot. OMG!!!

 

[Godboy]

Translation:

HEY - IGNORE the Biden Corruption Scandal - LOOK OVER HERE...

Translation:
Yep, we and our supporters screwed the country on containment and control of the biggest, most infectious, deadliest pandemic in 100 years, so all we got is a last minute scandal about Biden's kid. Everybody likes scandal to divert attention, so vote for us and we will give you more. Good luck on the virus, as you will get no leadership from us. It is election year. Winning more important than people dying.

It hasnt been contained anywhere.

It has been curtailed in places, but not contained. It is official policy that we have declared defeat and are not going to control the pandemic, as stated by the white house chief of staff, while trump does super spreader events daily.

You cant contain it when its already out. Maybe if youre on an island and you isolate the few people that get it, but its only remotely possible in those extreme scenarios. There is certainly no containing it in the US and anyone who says otherwise is either lying or they're a fucking moron.

 

[White 6]

Translation:

HEY - IGNORE the Biden Corruption Scandal - LOOK OVER HERE...

Translation:
Yep, we and our supporters screwed the country on containment and control of the biggest, most infectious, deadliest pandemic in 100 years, so all we got is a last minute scandal about Biden's kid. Everybody likes scandal to divert attention, so vote for us and we will give you more. Good luck on the virus, as you will get no leadership from us. It is election year. Winning more important than people dying.

It hasnt been contained anywhere.

It has been curtailed in places, but not contained. It is official policy that we have declared defeat and are not going to control the pandemic, as stated by the white house chief of staff, while trump does super spreader events daily.

You cant contain it when its already out. Maybe if youre on an island and you isolate the few people that get it, but its only remotely possible in those extreme scenarios. There is certainly no containing it in the US and anyone who says otherwise is either lying or they're a fucking moron.

Cannot 100% is true, but could be curtailed and better controlled, than adopting a wait for vaccine or herd immunity policy.

 

[Godboy]

Translation:

HEY - IGNORE the Biden Corruption Scandal - LOOK OVER HERE...

Translation:
Yep, we and our supporters screwed the country on containment and control of the biggest, most infectious, deadliest pandemic in 100 years, so all we got is a last minute scandal about Biden's kid. Everybody likes scandal to divert attention, so vote for us and we will give you more. Good luck on the virus, as you will get no leadership from us. It is election year. Winning more important than people dying.

It hasnt been contained anywhere.

It has been curtailed in places, but not contained. It is official policy that we have declared defeat and are not going to control the pandemic, as stated by the white house chief of staff, while trump does super spreader events daily.

You cant contain it when its already out. Maybe if youre on an island and you isolate the few people that get it, but its only remotely possible in those extreme scenarios. There is certainly no containing it in the US and anyone who says otherwise is either lying or they're a fucking moron.

Cannot 100% is true, but could be curtailed and better controlled, than adopting a wait for vaccine or herd immunity policy.

How would you curtail it and control it better?

 

[Faun]

Translation:

HEY - IGNORE the Biden Corruption Scandal - LOOK OVER HERE...

Translation:
Yep, we and our supporters screwed the country on containment and control of the biggest, most infectious, deadliest pandemic in 100 years, so all we got is a last minute scandal about Biden's kid. Everybody likes scandal to divert attention, so vote for us and we will give you more. Good luck on the virus, as you will get no leadership from us. It is election year. Winning more important than people dying.

What would you have done differently? The places where strict lockdowns took place had the most spread? Can you name one pro, college or HS athlete who has died from COVID anywhere in the world? Just one. Thank you.

Lockdowns don’t work. It remains a mystery as to why the world entered one

Surjit S Bhalla writes: Lockdowns were an unnatural experiment and, around the world, they have not worked in achieving their major health objective of less infections or slower pace of infections.

www.google.com

College football player dies of COVID-19 complications

College football player dies of COVID-19 complications

Jamain Stephens — a 20-year-old defensive lineman at the California University of Pennsylvania — was the son of a former Steeler.

nypost.com

'Chad was beloved by all his teammates': Davidson County basketball player, 19, dies from COVID-19 complications

'Chad was beloved by all his teammates': Davidson County basketball player, 19, dies from COVID-19 complications

Chad Dorrill was a recent Ledford High School graduate and team member of the Piedmont Pacers.

www.wfmynews2.com

Puyallup High School graduate dies of COVID-19 complications

Eli Sevener played football and baseball and graduated in 2019.

Puyallup High School graduate dies of COVID-19 complications

Eli Sevener played football and baseball and graduated in 2019.

www.king5.com

Here are a few example of what you asked about. Why concentrate on young athletes? Middle aged and older Americans not worth your concern? Makes you sound like a trump supporter.

ALL three of the links say they died of COVID-19 COMPLICATIONS, which suggest an underlying health issue.

The CDC have showed that only 6% of all China Virus related deaths, was from the virus infection itself.

Yah, yah, yah, and most people that die because of regular flue actually die of pneumonia caused by getting the flu. People have conditions that they live with fine until something like this strikes. You cannot win this argument, unless you are going to just go ahead and exterminate every body with any type of medical conditions and then start adding up your pure count of Covid dead. Doubt you are going to change many death certificates.

You cannot win this argument at all...You are the one insisting that what clearly isn't working continue to be done.

You are, by definition, insane.

Take your meds and blow me.

Translation: "I am insane and have no argument".

Translation you made your little amateur diagnosis ( typical trumpian BS) and cannot prove it, so blow me, Clown.

Your hatred for Trump has blinded you. You are irrational like AOC.

Your love of Trump has blinded you. You are irrational as any cultist follower. Enjoy the Kool-Aide.

No “e” in Kool Aid and no my hatred of lying Democrats has me all in against them and their lies. My kids are still home because of their bullshit worry and teachers and politicians still getting paid fully for not doing their jobs. I ask Again, what would you have done differently than Trump? Democrats are liars with their fake Russia conspiracy bullshit and now blaming Trump for this instead of China.

I said it in an earlier post today. Not going to look it up. You do it.

Why not? It’s your post? Pretty rude. You going to put me on ignore too like the cowardly OP? Amazing how Democrats don’t want to debate but just want an echo chamber.

Hey Azog. It popped up in my alerts, something I post at 11:48 this morning, so I copied it. I just did not want to have to look it up and ain't on the payroll. Here ya go. :
I would have taken some of the same steps, but leveled with the American People, not just favored investment groups. I would have set the example of masking, distancing, and used the bully pulpit to attack those that tried to rally support for ignoring the science as health, we were taught in high school. Trump should have rallied his supporters to fight the virus, not health officials. I definitely would not have suggested various dumb assed treatments, such as internal cleansers, sunlight, or made assurance it would end when warm weather came. I would not have held spreader events against the recommendation of health experts. I would not have made fun of people for masking. I would not have nationalized PPE purchased and on the way to hospitals early in the epidemic, to turn over to selected wholesalers to be sold for higher profits. He was a bad leader in time of crises and that is all that counts. Anybody can play leader when the going is easy. When the chips are down is the only time that counts. Heck, he wasn't that great when times were supposed to be easy. Trump being trump is what got him impeached.

But initially the CDC and the surgeon general said masks were bad?

Initially, I think they were trying to make sure their first responders and hospital front line personnel were covered. They were masking in other countries at that time. Doctors are always masking to protect patients from infection and have worn masks to protect themselves (as possible) from the illnesses of patients. It is kind of elementary, old school, first line protection, especially with diseases that cause coughing. This isn't some new age, just discovered medical technique. Even if it is carried on breath without droplet projected by cough, it keeps it from going as far and some are indeed caught clinging to the fibers in the mask, including non-surgical masks. Any is better than none in my book.

No. They said wearing masks mean you touch your face too much and hence would spread the virus. They didn’t know if it was air-born and thought you d get it by touching your face if you recall. Fauci, Birx, WHO were all wrong but we are blaming Trump.

Hey, like I said, the masking thing is one of the elementary things learned in health and used for generations. It did not take a scientist with a Phd to tell me it was the right way to go this year. Even the little Asian woman coughing her way down the aisle of the plain I was on before I got sick was trying to cover her mouth (just not succeeding) and made me wish I had a mask at the time. Damn sure wished I had, had one 5 days later.

Again lockdowns dont work and masks for life is unrealistic.

What is it that bothers you about a mask. Are you claustrophobic? They do not bother me. Was in Lowes again yesterday in a narrow Hardware aisle for a screw-in hook. Immediate behind me was an old guy with a bad dry sounding cough and every time he breathed out it was a hard houghhhh s sound and visible shoulder slump. Suspect he is screwed, but he was masked and I was definitely glad I was masked. I swear Azog, if you ever worked, climbed, crawled, fired, loaded a tank, just did the normal things that sometime make up a day as a tanker for 8 or 10 hours, in full Military Operational Protective Posture 4, (which includes a gas mask, charcoal lined suit, hood, boots and rubber gloves to the elbows) a little cloth dbl or triple layer face mask would not seem like anything. Life ain't just a bowl of cherries, ya know, and it will get back to normal sooner or later.

Masks don’t bother me. What bothers me is hypocrisy. Leftists keep yelling to trust science and then they tell me that gender is a construct and ignore science and logical people like you still vote blue. Fucking insanity.

Jeez, the kinks came out with Lola in 1970 and this crap is still bugging the heck out of you? My daughter is 4 years older than you are. I am supposed to be the one stuck in his ways here. Just stay out of the wrong bars and if you are on the internet, don't go to that site.

Wrong. My kids plays sports and they are girls and now they are stuck playing vs trans girls. Why? Because society has gone mad. So now we only trust the science when it’s convenient? I see. All you people are so illogical.

Normal little girls playing against chicks with dicks is not fair. They really ought to have a league of their own, doubt if Tom Hanks would coach, but Madonna would probably be up to play.

Democrats are hypocrites. Want you to wear masks and social distance unless they are “peacefully protesting”. Want you to trust science unless it’s inconvenient for them. Great people..and you vote for them. Sadly.

I don't always vote for them, only when the republicans want to swing too far or do something to damage my stable position. I didn't take up peaceful protest for the year either. I will say, I saw a lot of masked people at times, at the sometimes peaceful protests. Wondered if they were more about hiding their identity, so they wouldn't lose their day job, as peaceful did not seem to last past sundown.
I understand what you are saying, but the fact is most of the democrats were not out there protesting peaceful or otherwise, just like most of the republicans were not out there in Boogaloo, Proud Boys, or random militia BDUs, ALICE gear and loaded for armageddon. If you listen to either of the echo chambers, that is just how it was presented as it suited their respective, un respectable narratives.
Science is not your enemy. At some level, you know this. It is just fashionable to dis science in the current political atmosphere. I had multiple Multiple MRIs two years ago and then my surgeon went into my leg and knee, harvesting parts to make other parts and put me back together. I have the DVD of the complete MRI series from two states on my solid state computer hard drive, that I view on my flat screen monitor. My older brother had triple bypass open heart surgery the year before that, to correct a problem that would have been a death when we were kids. I was born in 1954. This crap did not exist back then. It was science fiction. Now it is science fact.

You missed my point. Hypocrisy is the enemy. Are you even paying attention?

--- Trust science unless it comes to transgender issues
--- Wear masks unless you're protesting and burning shit but we will call it a myth
--- Don't use your majority to confirm a supreme court justice but we will to impeach the President


My issue is hypocrisy and you completely missed it with your diatribe. If we don't even listen to one another then what is the point?

Hypocrisy is one of the hall marks of politics on both sides, and at present as in the past both sides are guilty as I charge. I listen, but both sides over blow their case. Actual reality is somewhere in the middle, as it has always been.

I have never seen it this blatant and to me it screams that they believe that voters are stupid. I am smarter than they are. They will not get my vote and I will spread my message so many more vote RED.

I have heard this charge of hypocrisy on both sides since I was 12. If you think back, so have you. Don't over react and call it new or higher level. It is not.

Give me an example of such blatant hypocrisy from 2012. I'll wait.

No. You keep asking for research projects, but forget I am not on the payroll. But since you are really talking about memory or realization. How about the weapons of mass destruction, to get a war in the entire middle east, while claiming we were the good guys? We were only going to get in, find them and destroy the capability to manufacture, then we supposedly decided on regime change. Yeah.., right. I never did trust that Son-Of-A-Bush.
How about, the draconian warrantless wire taps, Special Rendition and most of the Patriot act in our free country with rights guaranteed by the constitution? Never let a crises go to waste, eh?

Bush lied. I didn't vote for him thankfully!

He was our worst president to date but that wasn't hypocrisy it was just lying.

Hypocrisy is when your party stands for conservative values in support of the constitution, yet you go for government intervention, surveillance, massive fiscal irresponsibility after pushing a balance budget on the opposing party president, keeping your new war off budget for the first 4 years (or was it 8) of your administration. Always speaking up for Geneva convention, until you want to torture prisoners off the American continent, and a host of other things, including green lighting illegal actions of our current president domestically and abroad to the extent of firing all the inspector generals that might rat out your crimes against our laws and the constitution. Nice try, though.

Give me examples. So your party is the Democratic Party. Glad you finally admitted it.

Never said that. I am independent, choosing the best candidate. Gave you examples. Try playing devils advocate and research them yourself. I may give you my opinion and listen to yours, but do not do homework for my own kids, when they were in school and I certainly didn't take you to raise. What's with you, last couple of days. You have been better spoken and more fact based. You just Fkn with me?

????? I am just laughing at how you and others just shrug at the hypocrisy of the Democrats. They treat Kavanaugh like the Devil but dismiss the laptop story as fake news. Bobulinsky to me anyway is more credible than Ford was. You disagree?

I shug at the hypocrisy of both sides, as little I can do about it. I have no problem with Kavanaugh and the decisions he has made on the court, more than anybody else on the court. Have nothing against Amy at the moment. I understand the hypocrisy of Moscow Mitch pushing it through, but basically just shrug. Truest thing trump ever said after he screwed the Covid response was "It is what it is" and it applies to a lot of things after the cards are played.

Only way to beat a virus is to garner herd immunity and watch it die out.

You're a fucking retard, ShortBus. That would result in at least roughly 6 million people dying in America. Whereas a better solution is to develop a vaccine.

6mil? LMAO where did you find that number? We ll see how the vaccine works. I hope you’re right. As far as I can see this only kills the feeble. So you have every right to be scared.

70% of the population, which is the minimum to achieve herd immunity, times 2.6%, the current mortality rate. It involves numbers, ShortBus, so I don't expect you to understand.

2.6% ha ha ha ha aha ha ahbahahahahahahhahahahahahahahahahhahaha
Even the most aggressive models had it at 2mil deaths. Stupid walking corpse.

Great, post them...

CDC shows COVID-19 has high survival rate; doctor still wants to see precautions taken

A CDC update Wednesday says individuals are more likely to survive the coronavirus after contracting it. The health agency says if you have the virus between the ages of 0 to 70, you have a 99% survival rate. And if you’re over 70, the survival rate is nearly 95%. While this CDC update is a …

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Here is another one, walking corpse. Anything else?

LOLOLOLOL

ShortBus .... Scenario 5: Current Best Estimate = 2.5%

You're your own worst enemy.

You fucked up the math and now you ll forever be known as a stupid walking corpse

ShortBus, you still need help with the math...?

231,045 deaths out of 8,962,783 cases equals 2.6%.

Can't you do math without a Liberal helping you?

Dumbass we have had way more cases as many have gone undiagnosed. OMG!!!! LOL...you’re so stupid. My wife definitely had it and recovered but never documented same with my kids. Duh. You’re so stupid. Dumb walking corpse.

We've also had many individuals who've been counted as multiple cases. Still, the fatality rate is about 2.6% according to the most recent numbers.

Nope.

Redirect Notice

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WHO assumed 750mil cases and we had 1 mil deaths at the time. Is that 2.5%? You dumb idiot walking corpse. I have Given you two math equations now that show you’re a fucking idiot. OMG!!!

Imbecile, that's an estimate for the entire planet, not just the U.S..

Per every million people, there are far more cases in the U.S. (27,031) than the entire planet (5,630) and far more related deaths in the U.S. (697) than the entire planet (149.6).

Furthermore, your own source, the WHO, frowns upon comparing CFR among countries...

Estimating mortality from COVID-19

Scientific Brief

www.who.int

Conclusion

In the COVID-19 pandemic, we have seen broad variations in naïve estimations of CFR that may be misleading. Countries are difficult to compare for a number of reasons. They may be more or less likely to detect and report all COVID-19 deaths. Furthermore, they may be using different case definitions and testing strategies or counting cases differently (for example, with mild cases not being tested or counted). Variations in CFR also may be explained in part by the way time lags are handled. Differing quality of care or interventions being introduced at different stages of the illness also may play a role. Finally, the profile of patients (for example their age, sex, ethnicity and underlying comorbidities) may vary between countries.​

 

[Hutch Starskey]

We can’t control it.
We aren’t even going to try.
You’ll have to live with it.
Have some hydroxychloroquine.

Containment through a reduction of new infections would be mitigation. Treatment after infection is not mitigation. The average American won't have access a vaccine for at least a year if not 18 months.
They just threw America under the bus.

 

[Hutch Starskey]

Translation:

HEY - IGNORE the Biden Corruption Scandal - LOOK OVER HERE...

Translation:
Yep, we and our supporters screwed the country on containment and control of the biggest, most infectious, deadliest pandemic in 100 years, so all we got is a last minute scandal about Biden's kid. Everybody likes scandal to divert attention, so vote for us and we will give you more. Good luck on the virus, as you will get no leadership from us. It is election year. Winning more important than people dying.

It hasnt been contained anywhere.

It has been curtailed in places, but not contained. It is official policy that we have declared defeat and are not going to control the pandemic, as stated by the white house chief of staff, while trump does super spreader events daily.

You cant contain it when its already out. Maybe if youre on an island and you isolate the few people that get it, but its only remotely possible in those extreme scenarios. There is certainly no containing it in the US and anyone who says otherwise is either lying or they're a fucking moron.

Cannot 100% is true, but could be curtailed and better controlled, than adopting a wait for vaccine or herd immunity policy.

How would you curtail it and control it better?

How would you curtail it and control it better?

Jesus. Look around, dope. The answer is right in front of you. We are the worst in the world. Literally anything would be more effective.

 

[Uncensored2008]

It has been curtailed in places, but not contained. It is official policy that we have declared defeat and are not going to control the pandemic, as stated by the white house chief of staff, while trump does super spreader events daily.

Why do you tell stupid lies?

Be better.

 

[Faun]

Translation:

HEY - IGNORE the Biden Corruption Scandal - LOOK OVER HERE...

Translation:
Yep, we and our supporters screwed the country on containment and control of the biggest, most infectious, deadliest pandemic in 100 years, so all we got is a last minute scandal about Biden's kid. Everybody likes scandal to divert attention, so vote for us and we will give you more. Good luck on the virus, as you will get no leadership from us. It is election year. Winning more important than people dying.

It hasnt been contained anywhere.

It has been curtailed in places, but not contained. It is official policy that we have declared defeat and are not going to control the pandemic, as stated by the white house chief of staff, while trump does super spreader events daily.

You cant contain it when its already out. Maybe if youre on an island and you isolate the few people that get it, but its only remotely possible in those extreme scenarios. There is certainly no containing it in the US and anyone who says otherwise is either lying or they're a fucking moron.

Cannot 100% is true, but could be curtailed and better controlled, than adopting a wait for vaccine or herd immunity policy.

How would you curtail it and control it better?

How would you curtail it and control it better?

Jesus. Look around, dope. The answer is rigjt in front of you. We are the worst in the world. Literally anytging would be more effective.

You just don't understand contard logic... when the economy was growing, that had nothing to do with Democrat governors or even the growing economy Obama handed Impeached Trump, that was all due to Impeached Trump. Then when the economy crashed, Impeached Trump was not responsible at all. Then the blame fell entirely on Democrat governors. Then when people laid off started going back to work, that had nothing whatsoever to do with those same Democrat governors, then it became the greatest job growth in history thanks to Impeached Trump. This is repubonomics 101 that they've employed since the economy grew under Bill Clinton's presidency.

 

[Uncensored2008]

Translation:

HEY - IGNORE the Biden Corruption Scandal - LOOK OVER HERE...

Translation:
Yep, we and our supporters screwed the country on containment and control of the biggest, most infectious, deadliest pandemic in 100 years, so all we got is a last minute scandal about Biden's kid. Everybody likes scandal to divert attention, so vote for us and we will give you more. Good luck on the virus, as you will get no leadership from us. It is election year. Winning more important than people dying.

What would you have done differently? The places where strict lockdowns took place had the most spread? Can you name one pro, college or HS athlete who has died from COVID anywhere in the world? Just one. Thank you.

Lockdowns don’t work. It remains a mystery as to why the world entered one

Surjit S Bhalla writes: Lockdowns were an unnatural experiment and, around the world, they have not worked in achieving their major health objective of less infections or slower pace of infections.

www.google.com

College football player dies of COVID-19 complications

College football player dies of COVID-19 complications

Jamain Stephens — a 20-year-old defensive lineman at the California University of Pennsylvania — was the son of a former Steeler.

nypost.com

'Chad was beloved by all his teammates': Davidson County basketball player, 19, dies from COVID-19 complications

'Chad was beloved by all his teammates': Davidson County basketball player, 19, dies from COVID-19 complications

Chad Dorrill was a recent Ledford High School graduate and team member of the Piedmont Pacers.

www.wfmynews2.com

Puyallup High School graduate dies of COVID-19 complications

Eli Sevener played football and baseball and graduated in 2019.

Puyallup High School graduate dies of COVID-19 complications

Eli Sevener played football and baseball and graduated in 2019.

www.king5.com

Here are a few example of what you asked about. Why concentrate on young athletes? Middle aged and older Americans not worth your concern? Makes you sound like a trump supporter.

ALL three of the links say they died of COVID-19 COMPLICATIONS, which suggest an underlying health issue.

The CDC have showed that only 6% of all China Virus related deaths, was from the virus infection itself.

Yah, yah, yah, and most people that die because of regular flue actually die of pneumonia caused by getting the flu. People have conditions that they live with fine until something like this strikes. You cannot win this argument, unless you are going to just go ahead and exterminate every body with any type of medical conditions and then start adding up your pure count of Covid dead. Doubt you are going to change many death certificates.

You cannot win this argument at all...You are the one insisting that what clearly isn't working continue to be done.

You are, by definition, insane.

Take your meds and blow me.

Translation: "I am insane and have no argument".

Translation you made your little amateur diagnosis ( typical trumpian BS) and cannot prove it, so blow me, Clown.

Your hatred for Trump has blinded you. You are irrational like AOC.

Your love of Trump has blinded you. You are irrational as any cultist follower. Enjoy the Kool-Aide.

No “e” in Kool Aid and no my hatred of lying Democrats has me all in against them and their lies. My kids are still home because of their bullshit worry and teachers and politicians still getting paid fully for not doing their jobs. I ask Again, what would you have done differently than Trump? Democrats are liars with their fake Russia conspiracy bullshit and now blaming Trump for this instead of China.

I said it in an earlier post today. Not going to look it up. You do it.

Why not? It’s your post? Pretty rude. You going to put me on ignore too like the cowardly OP? Amazing how Democrats don’t want to debate but just want an echo chamber.

Hey Azog. It popped up in my alerts, something I post at 11:48 this morning, so I copied it. I just did not want to have to look it up and ain't on the payroll. Here ya go. :
I would have taken some of the same steps, but leveled with the American People, not just favored investment groups. I would have set the example of masking, distancing, and used the bully pulpit to attack those that tried to rally support for ignoring the science as health, we were taught in high school. Trump should have rallied his supporters to fight the virus, not health officials. I definitely would not have suggested various dumb assed treatments, such as internal cleansers, sunlight, or made assurance it would end when warm weather came. I would not have held spreader events against the recommendation of health experts. I would not have made fun of people for masking. I would not have nationalized PPE purchased and on the way to hospitals early in the epidemic, to turn over to selected wholesalers to be sold for higher profits. He was a bad leader in time of crises and that is all that counts. Anybody can play leader when the going is easy. When the chips are down is the only time that counts. Heck, he wasn't that great when times were supposed to be easy. Trump being trump is what got him impeached.

But initially the CDC and the surgeon general said masks were bad?

Initially, I think they were trying to make sure their first responders and hospital front line personnel were covered. They were masking in other countries at that time. Doctors are always masking to protect patients from infection and have worn masks to protect themselves (as possible) from the illnesses of patients. It is kind of elementary, old school, first line protection, especially with diseases that cause coughing. This isn't some new age, just discovered medical technique. Even if it is carried on breath without droplet projected by cough, it keeps it from going as far and some are indeed caught clinging to the fibers in the mask, including non-surgical masks. Any is better than none in my book.

No. They said wearing masks mean you touch your face too much and hence would spread the virus. They didn’t know if it was air-born and thought you d get it by touching your face if you recall. Fauci, Birx, WHO were all wrong but we are blaming Trump.

Hey, like I said, the masking thing is one of the elementary things learned in health and used for generations. It did not take a scientist with a Phd to tell me it was the right way to go this year. Even the little Asian woman coughing her way down the aisle of the plain I was on before I got sick was trying to cover her mouth (just not succeeding) and made me wish I had a mask at the time. Damn sure wished I had, had one 5 days later.

Again lockdowns dont work and masks for life is unrealistic.

What is it that bothers you about a mask. Are you claustrophobic? They do not bother me. Was in Lowes again yesterday in a narrow Hardware aisle for a screw-in hook. Immediate behind me was an old guy with a bad dry sounding cough and every time he breathed out it was a hard houghhhh s sound and visible shoulder slump. Suspect he is screwed, but he was masked and I was definitely glad I was masked. I swear Azog, if you ever worked, climbed, crawled, fired, loaded a tank, just did the normal things that sometime make up a day as a tanker for 8 or 10 hours, in full Military Operational Protective Posture 4, (which includes a gas mask, charcoal lined suit, hood, boots and rubber gloves to the elbows) a little cloth dbl or triple layer face mask would not seem like anything. Life ain't just a bowl of cherries, ya know, and it will get back to normal sooner or later.

Masks don’t bother me. What bothers me is hypocrisy. Leftists keep yelling to trust science and then they tell me that gender is a construct and ignore science and logical people like you still vote blue. Fucking insanity.

Jeez, the kinks came out with Lola in 1970 and this crap is still bugging the heck out of you? My daughter is 4 years older than you are. I am supposed to be the one stuck in his ways here. Just stay out of the wrong bars and if you are on the internet, don't go to that site.

Wrong. My kids plays sports and they are girls and now they are stuck playing vs trans girls. Why? Because society has gone mad. So now we only trust the science when it’s convenient? I see. All you people are so illogical.

Normal little girls playing against chicks with dicks is not fair. They really ought to have a league of their own, doubt if Tom Hanks would coach, but Madonna would probably be up to play.

Democrats are hypocrites. Want you to wear masks and social distance unless they are “peacefully protesting”. Want you to trust science unless it’s inconvenient for them. Great people..and you vote for them. Sadly.

I don't always vote for them, only when the republicans want to swing too far or do something to damage my stable position. I didn't take up peaceful protest for the year either. I will say, I saw a lot of masked people at times, at the sometimes peaceful protests. Wondered if they were more about hiding their identity, so they wouldn't lose their day job, as peaceful did not seem to last past sundown.
I understand what you are saying, but the fact is most of the democrats were not out there protesting peaceful or otherwise, just like most of the republicans were not out there in Boogaloo, Proud Boys, or random militia BDUs, ALICE gear and loaded for armageddon. If you listen to either of the echo chambers, that is just how it was presented as it suited their respective, un respectable narratives.
Science is not your enemy. At some level, you know this. It is just fashionable to dis science in the current political atmosphere. I had multiple Multiple MRIs two years ago and then my surgeon went into my leg and knee, harvesting parts to make other parts and put me back together. I have the DVD of the complete MRI series from two states on my solid state computer hard drive, that I view on my flat screen monitor. My older brother had triple bypass open heart surgery the year before that, to correct a problem that would have been a death when we were kids. I was born in 1954. This crap did not exist back then. It was science fiction. Now it is science fact.

You missed my point. Hypocrisy is the enemy. Are you even paying attention?

--- Trust science unless it comes to transgender issues
--- Wear masks unless you're protesting and burning shit but we will call it a myth
--- Don't use your majority to confirm a supreme court justice but we will to impeach the President


My issue is hypocrisy and you completely missed it with your diatribe. If we don't even listen to one another then what is the point?

Hypocrisy is one of the hall marks of politics on both sides, and at present as in the past both sides are guilty as I charge. I listen, but both sides over blow their case. Actual reality is somewhere in the middle, as it has always been.

I have never seen it this blatant and to me it screams that they believe that voters are stupid. I am smarter than they are. They will not get my vote and I will spread my message so many more vote RED.

I have heard this charge of hypocrisy on both sides since I was 12. If you think back, so have you. Don't over react and call it new or higher level. It is not.

Give me an example of such blatant hypocrisy from 2012. I'll wait.

No. You keep asking for research projects, but forget I am not on the payroll. But since you are really talking about memory or realization. How about the weapons of mass destruction, to get a war in the entire middle east, while claiming we were the good guys? We were only going to get in, find them and destroy the capability to manufacture, then we supposedly decided on regime change. Yeah.., right. I never did trust that Son-Of-A-Bush.
How about, the draconian warrantless wire taps, Special Rendition and most of the Patriot act in our free country with rights guaranteed by the constitution? Never let a crises go to waste, eh?

Bush lied. I didn't vote for him thankfully!

He was our worst president to date but that wasn't hypocrisy it was just lying.

Hypocrisy is when your party stands for conservative values in support of the constitution, yet you go for government intervention, surveillance, massive fiscal irresponsibility after pushing a balance budget on the opposing party president, keeping your new war off budget for the first 4 years (or was it 8) of your administration. Always speaking up for Geneva convention, until you want to torture prisoners off the American continent, and a host of other things, including green lighting illegal actions of our current president domestically and abroad to the extent of firing all the inspector generals that might rat out your crimes against our laws and the constitution. Nice try, though.

Give me examples. So your party is the Democratic Party. Glad you finally admitted it.

Never said that. I am independent, choosing the best candidate. Gave you examples. Try playing devils advocate and research them yourself. I may give you my opinion and listen to yours, but do not do homework for my own kids, when they were in school and I certainly didn't take you to raise. What's with you, last couple of days. You have been better spoken and more fact based. You just Fkn with me?

????? I am just laughing at how you and others just shrug at the hypocrisy of the Democrats. They treat Kavanaugh like the Devil but dismiss the laptop story as fake news. Bobulinsky to me anyway is more credible than Ford was. You disagree?

I shug at the hypocrisy of both sides, as little I can do about it. I have no problem with Kavanaugh and the decisions he has made on the court, more than anybody else on the court. Have nothing against Amy at the moment. I understand the hypocrisy of Moscow Mitch pushing it through, but basically just shrug. Truest thing trump ever said after he screwed the Covid response was "It is what it is" and it applies to a lot of things after the cards are played.

Only way to beat a virus is to garner herd immunity and watch it die out.

You're a fucking retard, ShortBus. That would result in at least roughly 6 million people dying in America. Whereas a better solution is to develop a vaccine.

6mil? LMAO where did you find that number? We ll see how the vaccine works. I hope you’re right. As far as I can see this only kills the feeble. So you have every right to be scared.

70% of the population, which is the minimum to achieve herd immunity, times 2.6%, the current mortality rate. It involves numbers, ShortBus, so I don't expect you to understand.

2.6% ha ha ha ha aha ha ahbahahahahahahhahahahahahahahahahhahaha
Even the most aggressive models had it at 2mil deaths. Stupid walking corpse.

Great, post them...

CDC shows COVID-19 has high survival rate; doctor still wants to see precautions taken

A CDC update Wednesday says individuals are more likely to survive the coronavirus after contracting it. The health agency says if you have the virus between the ages of 0 to 70, you have a 99% survival rate. And if you’re over 70, the survival rate is nearly 95%. While this CDC update is a …

www.winknews.com

Here is another one, walking corpse. Anything else?

LOLOLOLOL

ShortBus .... Scenario 5: Current Best Estimate = 2.5%

You're your own worst enemy.

You fucked up the math and now you ll forever be known as a stupid walking corpse

ShortBus, you still need help with the math...?

231,045 deaths out of 8,962,783 cases equals 2.6%.

Can't you do math without a Liberal helping you?

Dumbass we have had way more cases as many have gone undiagnosed. OMG!!!! LOL...you’re so stupid. My wife definitely had it and recovered but never documented same with my kids. Duh. You’re so stupid. Dumb walking corpse.

We've also had many individuals who've been counted as multiple cases. Still, the fatality rate is about 2.6% according to the most recent numbers.

Nope.

Redirect Notice

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WHO assumed 750mil cases and we had 1 mil deaths at the time. Is that 2.5%? You dumb idiot walking corpse. I have Given you two math equations now that show you’re a fucking idiot. OMG!!!

Imbecile, that's an estimate for the entire planet, not just the U.S..

Per every million people, there are far more cases in the U.S. (27,031) than the entire planet (5,630) and far more related deaths in the U.S. (697) than the entire planet (149.6).

Furthermore, your own source, the WHO, frowns upon comparing CFR among countries...

Estimating mortality from COVID-19

Scientific Brief

www.who.int

​

Conclusion​

​

In the COVID-19 pandemic, we have seen broad variations in naïve estimations of CFR that may be misleading. Countries are difficult to compare for a number of reasons. They may be more or less likely to detect and report all COVID-19 deaths. Furthermore, they may be using different case definitions and testing strategies or counting cases differently (for example, with mild cases not being tested or counted). Variations in CFR also may be explained in part by the way time lags are handled. Differing quality of care or interventions being introduced at different stages of the illness also may play a role. Finally, the profile of patients (for example their age, sex, ethnicity and underlying comorbidities) may vary between countries.​

You're such a fucking liar, Farouk.

COVID-19 deaths per capita by country | Statista

COVID deaths worldwide were highest in Peru, topping a list that compares deaths per million in 210 countries worldwide.

www.statista.com

Belgium, capital of the EU is #2 in the world - the USA way down at 9th place.

 

[White 6]

Translation:

HEY - IGNORE the Biden Corruption Scandal - LOOK OVER HERE...

Translation:
Yep, we and our supporters screwed the country on containment and control of the biggest, most infectious, deadliest pandemic in 100 years, so all we got is a last minute scandal about Biden's kid. Everybody likes scandal to divert attention, so vote for us and we will give you more. Good luck on the virus, as you will get no leadership from us. It is election year. Winning more important than people dying.

It hasnt been contained anywhere.

It has been curtailed in places, but not contained. It is official policy that we have declared defeat and are not going to control the pandemic, as stated by the white house chief of staff, while trump does super spreader events daily.

You cant contain it when its already out. Maybe if youre on an island and you isolate the few people that get it, but its only remotely possible in those extreme scenarios. There is certainly no containing it in the US and anyone who says otherwise is either lying or they're a fucking moron.

Cannot 100% is true, but could be curtailed and better controlled, than adopting a wait for vaccine or herd immunity policy.

How would you curtail it and control it better?

Masking, distancing, contact tracing in conjunction with requiring close contacts to quarantine instead of continuing to spread while testing to finding out if they are turning positive, closing down as necessary in specific hot spots, to avoid over filling hospital beds and facilities, to slow local infection rate and make sure facilities are available for other emergency services is a must. Employers especially in in large organizations, must put community health above immediate production needs to keep their workforce as safe as possible, sending people home, instead of allowing them to spread to co-workers. These are all tough calls, but necessary and require at local level. Nobody wants to shut down the country. It is counter productive. At the same time, local health departments and local governments must make the tough calls and there does not need to be decision trial by social media. It is also very important that government does not announce defeat and throw in the towel as continuing the fight will curtail the spread and ultimately save lives of both covid patients and other emergency medical patients that might live if services and facilities are not overwhelmed at local level.
That is my plan. It is far better than throwing up our hands, declaring defeat and waiting for possibly hundreds of thousands of deaths, that might have been prevented, had we continued the fight until vaccine availability or the giant unicorn of herd immunity.

 

[Godboy]

Translation:

HEY - IGNORE the Biden Corruption Scandal - LOOK OVER HERE...

Translation:
Yep, we and our supporters screwed the country on containment and control of the biggest, most infectious, deadliest pandemic in 100 years, so all we got is a last minute scandal about Biden's kid. Everybody likes scandal to divert attention, so vote for us and we will give you more. Good luck on the virus, as you will get no leadership from us. It is election year. Winning more important than people dying.

It hasnt been contained anywhere.

It has been curtailed in places, but not contained. It is official policy that we have declared defeat and are not going to control the pandemic, as stated by the white house chief of staff, while trump does super spreader events daily.

You cant contain it when its already out. Maybe if youre on an island and you isolate the few people that get it, but its only remotely possible in those extreme scenarios. There is certainly no containing it in the US and anyone who says otherwise is either lying or they're a fucking moron.

Cannot 100% is true, but could be curtailed and better controlled, than adopting a wait for vaccine or herd immunity policy.

How would you curtail it and control it better?

How would you curtail it and control it better?

Jesus. Look around, dope. The answer is right in front of you. We are the worst in the world. Literally anything would be more effective.

One, we arent the worst in the world, and two you cant answer the question because, you dont have the answers, retard.

 

[Nosmo King]

Trump is responsible for the American effort to eliminate thenpandemic, zipperhead! That is right up until he quit.

There was no credit to take. He is loathesome.

Zipperhead? I'm not Japanese, but you clearly are racist.

Regardless, the Trump administration has done an extraordinary job and combating the Wuhan virus. That you are without honor and attempt to leverage the pandemic for political gain through lies notwithstanding.

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WHOLE-OF-GOVERNMENT RESPONSE

• President Trump declared a national emergency, inviting States, territories, and tribes to access over $42 billion in existing funding.
• Trump signed legislation securing $8.3 billion for coronavirus response.
• Trump signed the Families First Coronavirus Response Act, ensuring that American families and businesses impacted by the virus receive the strong support they need.
• To leverage the resources of the entire government, the president created a White House Coronavirus Task Force to coordinate response.
• Vice President Pence named Dr. Deborah Birx to serve as the White House Coronavirus Response Coordinator.
• The president has held multiple teleconferences with our nation’s governors to coordinate response efforts and offer his full support.
• The president has approved major disaster declarations for impacted states like New York, Washington, and California.

TRAVEL RESTRICTIONS

• In January, Trump reacted quickly to implement travel restrictions on travel from China, buying us valuable time to respond to the virus.
• The president has announced further travel restrictions on global hotspots, including Europe, the United Kingdom and Ireland, and Iran.
• American citizens returning from travel-restricted countries are being routed to specific airports, where they can be screened and isolated as needed.
• The United States reached mutual agreements with Mexico and Canada to restrict non-essential travel across our northern and southern borders.
• The administration announced it will expeditiously return aliens who cross between ports of entry or are otherwise not allowed to enter the country, as the facilities in which these aliens would be held cannot support quarantine for the time needed to assess potential cases.
• The administration raised travel warnings to their highest level for other hot spot locations, like Japan and South Korea.
• The president has expanded airport screenings to identify travelers showing symptoms and instituted mandatory quarantines.
• The State Department issued a global level 4 travel advisory, urging Americans to avoid all international travel due to the coronavirus outbreak worldwide.

EXPANDING TESTING ACCESSIBILITY

• The FDA issued emergency approval for new commercial coronavirus tests to significantly expand testing across the country.
• The president secured legislation that will ensure Americans are able to be tested for free.
• The administration is working with state and local partners and the private sector to open up drive-through testing sites.
• The administration is working with the private sector to develop a website that Americans can utilize to determine whether they need a test and, if so, where to get it.
• HHS is providing funding to help accelerate the development of rapid diagnostic tests for the coronavirus.
• The FDA cut red tape to expand testing availability.
• Admiral Brett Giroir – the Assistant Secretary for Health and head of the Public Health Service – has been appointed to coordinate coronavirus testing efforts.
• The FDA is empowering states to authorize tests developed and used by laboratories in their states.
• The Department of Defense has set up 15 coronavirus testing sites worldwide.
• The president signed legislation requiring more reporting from state and private labs to ensure our public health officials have the data they need to respond to this outbreak.
• DoD and HHS worked to airlift hundreds of thousands of swabs and sample test kits from Italy to the United States.

SUPPORTING IMPACTED BUSINESSES

• The Small Business Administration has announced disaster loans which provide impacted businesses with up to $2 million.
• SBA relaxed criteria for disaster assistance loans – expanding small businesses’ access to economic assistance.
• The president directed the Energy Department to purchase large quantities of crude oil for the strategic reserve.
• Trump has held calls and meetings with business leaders from the pharmaceutical industry, airlines, health insurers, grocery stores, retail stores, banks, and more.
• The Treasury Department approved the establishment of the Money Market Mutual Fund Liquidity Facility to provide liquidity to the financial system.

HELPING FAMILIES AND WORKING AMERICANS

• The administration negotiated legislation which will provide tax credits for eligible businesses that give paid leave to Americans affected by the virus.
• The administration took action to provide more flexibility in unemployment insurance programs for workers impacted by the coronavirus.
• The Treasury Department moved tax day from April 15 to July 15.
• Trump signed legislation providing funding and flexibility for emergency nutritional aid for senior citizens, women, children, and low-income families.
• USDA announced new flexibilities to allow meal service during school closures.
• USDA announced a new collaboration with the private sector to deliver nearly 1,000,000 meals a week to students in rural schools closed due to the coronavirus.
• The administration is halting foreclosures and evictions for families with FHA-insured mortgages.
• The Department of Labor announced up to $100 million in dislocated worker grants in response to the coronavirus national health emergency.
• The White House worked with the private sector to launch a central website where families, students, and educators can access online education technologies.
• Trump signed legislation to provide continuity in educational benefits for veterans and their families who attend schools that have had to switch from in-person to online learning due to the coronavirus.
• The Department of Education has given broad approval to colleges and universities to allow them to more easily move their classes online.
• The Department of Education set interest rates on all federally-held student loans to 0% for at least 60 days.
• The Department of Education announced borrowers will have the option to suspend their payments on federally-held student loans for at least two months.
• The Department of Education is providing waivers for federal testing requirements to states that have had to close schools.

INFORMING THE PUBLIC

• The administration launched a website – coronavirus.gov – to keep the public informed about the outbreak.
• The president launched a partnership with the Ad Council, media networks, and digital platforms to communicate public services announcements about the coronavirus.
• The president announced guidelines for Americans to follow and do their part to stem the spread of the virus.
• The Task Force is holding nearly daily press conferences to provide the American people with the latest information.
• The Task Force has recommended mitigation strategies to heavily impacted communities, like those in New York, Washington, and California.
• CMS announced guidance to protect vulnerable elderly Americans and limit medically unnecessary visits to nursing homes.

SUPPORTING PATIENTS AND HEALTHCARE PROVIDERS

• In January, the administration declared the coronavirus to be a public health emergency.
• The president donated his fourth-quarter 2019 salary to the Department of Health and Human Services for coronavirus response efforts.
• The president took action to give HHS authority to waive rules and regulations so that healthcare providers have maximum flexibility to respond to this outbreak.
• CMS is giving flexibility to Medicare Advantage and Part D plans to waive cost-sharing for coronavirus tests and treatment.
• CMS created new billing codes for coronavirus tests to promote better tracking of the public health response.
• The White House Office of Science and Technology Policy coordinated with the NIH, the tech industry, and nonprofits to release a machine readable collection of 29,000 coronavirus-related research articles, which will help scientists discover insights to virus’ genetics, incubation, treatment, symptoms, and prevention.
• The administration announced that health plans with health savings accounts will be able to cover coronavirus testing and treatment without co-payments.
• CMS dramatically expanded telehealth for Medicare beneficiaries, ensuring more patients can access their doctors remotely while avoiding exposure.
• HHS lifted HIPAA penalties to enable healthcare providers to expand telehealth access for patients.
• The VA established 19 emergency operations centers across the country and put in place visitation restrictions to limit patients’ exposure.
• CMS and the VA are working to limit nonessential, elective medical procedures to free up healthcare resources.
• The Navy will be deploying two medical ships to help support impacted areas.
• The president announced Carnival Cruise Lines will be making ships available for hospitals to use for non-coronavirus patients.

STRENGTHENING ESSENTIAL MEDICAL SUPPLIES

• The president announced he is invoking the Defense Production Act.
• The president signed a memorandum directing his Administration to make general-use face masks available to healthcare workers.
• HHS announced it will be purchasing 500 million N95 respirators for the Strategic National Stockpile.
• The Department of Defense announced it will be providing 5 million respirator masks and 2,000 specialized ventilators to assist.
• The president signed legislation removing restrictions that prevented manufacturers from selling industrial masks – which can readily protect healthcare workers – directly to hospitals.

DEVELOPING VACCINES AND THERAPEUTICS

• The administration is working to help accelerate the development of therapeutics and a vaccine to combat the coronavirus.
• The FDA is evaluating existing drugs that could serve as potential therapeutics for coronavirus patients.
• The administration is actively working with drug manufacturers to monitor any potential drug supply chain issues.
• The administration is expanding research and consulting with experts to better understand the transmission of coronavirus.
• The National Institutes of Health has announced the beginning of a clinical trial for a coronavirus vaccine candidate.

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List: 74 actions taken by Trump to fight virus and bolster economy - Washington Examiner

In less than a week, the Trump administration has greatly expanded the actions it's taken to fight the coronavirus and boost the economy, according to its latest tally of “response efforts.”Last week, when Secrets first ran the list, it totaled 43. By Monday, it was at 74, with many more planned...

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He lied. He mocks wearing masks. He should have died, if there is karma.

 

[AzogtheDefiler]

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HEY - IGNORE the Biden Corruption Scandal - LOOK OVER HERE...

Translation:
Yep, we and our supporters screwed the country on containment and control of the biggest, most infectious, deadliest pandemic in 100 years, so all we got is a last minute scandal about Biden's kid. Everybody likes scandal to divert attention, so vote for us and we will give you more. Good luck on the virus, as you will get no leadership from us. It is election year. Winning more important than people dying.

What would you have done differently? The places where strict lockdowns took place had the most spread? Can you name one pro, college or HS athlete who has died from COVID anywhere in the world? Just one. Thank you.

Lockdowns don’t work. It remains a mystery as to why the world entered one

Surjit S Bhalla writes: Lockdowns were an unnatural experiment and, around the world, they have not worked in achieving their major health objective of less infections or slower pace of infections.

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College football player dies of COVID-19 complications

College football player dies of COVID-19 complications

Jamain Stephens — a 20-year-old defensive lineman at the California University of Pennsylvania — was the son of a former Steeler.

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'Chad was beloved by all his teammates': Davidson County basketball player, 19, dies from COVID-19 complications

'Chad was beloved by all his teammates': Davidson County basketball player, 19, dies from COVID-19 complications

Chad Dorrill was a recent Ledford High School graduate and team member of the Piedmont Pacers.

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Puyallup High School graduate dies of COVID-19 complications

Eli Sevener played football and baseball and graduated in 2019.

Puyallup High School graduate dies of COVID-19 complications

Eli Sevener played football and baseball and graduated in 2019.

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Here are a few example of what you asked about. Why concentrate on young athletes? Middle aged and older Americans not worth your concern? Makes you sound like a trump supporter.

ALL three of the links say they died of COVID-19 COMPLICATIONS, which suggest an underlying health issue.

The CDC have showed that only 6% of all China Virus related deaths, was from the virus infection itself.

Yah, yah, yah, and most people that die because of regular flue actually die of pneumonia caused by getting the flu. People have conditions that they live with fine until something like this strikes. You cannot win this argument, unless you are going to just go ahead and exterminate every body with any type of medical conditions and then start adding up your pure count of Covid dead. Doubt you are going to change many death certificates.

You cannot win this argument at all...You are the one insisting that what clearly isn't working continue to be done.

You are, by definition, insane.

Take your meds and blow me.

Translation: "I am insane and have no argument".

Translation you made your little amateur diagnosis ( typical trumpian BS) and cannot prove it, so blow me, Clown.

Your hatred for Trump has blinded you. You are irrational like AOC.

Your love of Trump has blinded you. You are irrational as any cultist follower. Enjoy the Kool-Aide.

No “e” in Kool Aid and no my hatred of lying Democrats has me all in against them and their lies. My kids are still home because of their bullshit worry and teachers and politicians still getting paid fully for not doing their jobs. I ask Again, what would you have done differently than Trump? Democrats are liars with their fake Russia conspiracy bullshit and now blaming Trump for this instead of China.

I said it in an earlier post today. Not going to look it up. You do it.

Why not? It’s your post? Pretty rude. You going to put me on ignore too like the cowardly OP? Amazing how Democrats don’t want to debate but just want an echo chamber.

Hey Azog. It popped up in my alerts, something I post at 11:48 this morning, so I copied it. I just did not want to have to look it up and ain't on the payroll. Here ya go. :
I would have taken some of the same steps, but leveled with the American People, not just favored investment groups. I would have set the example of masking, distancing, and used the bully pulpit to attack those that tried to rally support for ignoring the science as health, we were taught in high school. Trump should have rallied his supporters to fight the virus, not health officials. I definitely would not have suggested various dumb assed treatments, such as internal cleansers, sunlight, or made assurance it would end when warm weather came. I would not have held spreader events against the recommendation of health experts. I would not have made fun of people for masking. I would not have nationalized PPE purchased and on the way to hospitals early in the epidemic, to turn over to selected wholesalers to be sold for higher profits. He was a bad leader in time of crises and that is all that counts. Anybody can play leader when the going is easy. When the chips are down is the only time that counts. Heck, he wasn't that great when times were supposed to be easy. Trump being trump is what got him impeached.

But initially the CDC and the surgeon general said masks were bad?

Initially, I think they were trying to make sure their first responders and hospital front line personnel were covered. They were masking in other countries at that time. Doctors are always masking to protect patients from infection and have worn masks to protect themselves (as possible) from the illnesses of patients. It is kind of elementary, old school, first line protection, especially with diseases that cause coughing. This isn't some new age, just discovered medical technique. Even if it is carried on breath without droplet projected by cough, it keeps it from going as far and some are indeed caught clinging to the fibers in the mask, including non-surgical masks. Any is better than none in my book.

No. They said wearing masks mean you touch your face too much and hence would spread the virus. They didn’t know if it was air-born and thought you d get it by touching your face if you recall. Fauci, Birx, WHO were all wrong but we are blaming Trump.

Hey, like I said, the masking thing is one of the elementary things learned in health and used for generations. It did not take a scientist with a Phd to tell me it was the right way to go this year. Even the little Asian woman coughing her way down the aisle of the plain I was on before I got sick was trying to cover her mouth (just not succeeding) and made me wish I had a mask at the time. Damn sure wished I had, had one 5 days later.

Again lockdowns dont work and masks for life is unrealistic.

What is it that bothers you about a mask. Are you claustrophobic? They do not bother me. Was in Lowes again yesterday in a narrow Hardware aisle for a screw-in hook. Immediate behind me was an old guy with a bad dry sounding cough and every time he breathed out it was a hard houghhhh s sound and visible shoulder slump. Suspect he is screwed, but he was masked and I was definitely glad I was masked. I swear Azog, if you ever worked, climbed, crawled, fired, loaded a tank, just did the normal things that sometime make up a day as a tanker for 8 or 10 hours, in full Military Operational Protective Posture 4, (which includes a gas mask, charcoal lined suit, hood, boots and rubber gloves to the elbows) a little cloth dbl or triple layer face mask would not seem like anything. Life ain't just a bowl of cherries, ya know, and it will get back to normal sooner or later.

Masks don’t bother me. What bothers me is hypocrisy. Leftists keep yelling to trust science and then they tell me that gender is a construct and ignore science and logical people like you still vote blue. Fucking insanity.

Jeez, the kinks came out with Lola in 1970 and this crap is still bugging the heck out of you? My daughter is 4 years older than you are. I am supposed to be the one stuck in his ways here. Just stay out of the wrong bars and if you are on the internet, don't go to that site.

Wrong. My kids plays sports and they are girls and now they are stuck playing vs trans girls. Why? Because society has gone mad. So now we only trust the science when it’s convenient? I see. All you people are so illogical.

Normal little girls playing against chicks with dicks is not fair. They really ought to have a league of their own, doubt if Tom Hanks would coach, but Madonna would probably be up to play.

Democrats are hypocrites. Want you to wear masks and social distance unless they are “peacefully protesting”. Want you to trust science unless it’s inconvenient for them. Great people..and you vote for them. Sadly.

I don't always vote for them, only when the republicans want to swing too far or do something to damage my stable position. I didn't take up peaceful protest for the year either. I will say, I saw a lot of masked people at times, at the sometimes peaceful protests. Wondered if they were more about hiding their identity, so they wouldn't lose their day job, as peaceful did not seem to last past sundown.
I understand what you are saying, but the fact is most of the democrats were not out there protesting peaceful or otherwise, just like most of the republicans were not out there in Boogaloo, Proud Boys, or random militia BDUs, ALICE gear and loaded for armageddon. If you listen to either of the echo chambers, that is just how it was presented as it suited their respective, un respectable narratives.
Science is not your enemy. At some level, you know this. It is just fashionable to dis science in the current political atmosphere. I had multiple Multiple MRIs two years ago and then my surgeon went into my leg and knee, harvesting parts to make other parts and put me back together. I have the DVD of the complete MRI series from two states on my solid state computer hard drive, that I view on my flat screen monitor. My older brother had triple bypass open heart surgery the year before that, to correct a problem that would have been a death when we were kids. I was born in 1954. This crap did not exist back then. It was science fiction. Now it is science fact.

You missed my point. Hypocrisy is the enemy. Are you even paying attention?

--- Trust science unless it comes to transgender issues
--- Wear masks unless you're protesting and burning shit but we will call it a myth
--- Don't use your majority to confirm a supreme court justice but we will to impeach the President


My issue is hypocrisy and you completely missed it with your diatribe. If we don't even listen to one another then what is the point?

Hypocrisy is one of the hall marks of politics on both sides, and at present as in the past both sides are guilty as I charge. I listen, but both sides over blow their case. Actual reality is somewhere in the middle, as it has always been.

I have never seen it this blatant and to me it screams that they believe that voters are stupid. I am smarter than they are. They will not get my vote and I will spread my message so many more vote RED.

I have heard this charge of hypocrisy on both sides since I was 12. If you think back, so have you. Don't over react and call it new or higher level. It is not.

Give me an example of such blatant hypocrisy from 2012. I'll wait.

No. You keep asking for research projects, but forget I am not on the payroll. But since you are really talking about memory or realization. How about the weapons of mass destruction, to get a war in the entire middle east, while claiming we were the good guys? We were only going to get in, find them and destroy the capability to manufacture, then we supposedly decided on regime change. Yeah.., right. I never did trust that Son-Of-A-Bush.
How about, the draconian warrantless wire taps, Special Rendition and most of the Patriot act in our free country with rights guaranteed by the constitution? Never let a crises go to waste, eh?

Bush lied. I didn't vote for him thankfully!

He was our worst president to date but that wasn't hypocrisy it was just lying.

Hypocrisy is when your party stands for conservative values in support of the constitution, yet you go for government intervention, surveillance, massive fiscal irresponsibility after pushing a balance budget on the opposing party president, keeping your new war off budget for the first 4 years (or was it 8) of your administration. Always speaking up for Geneva convention, until you want to torture prisoners off the American continent, and a host of other things, including green lighting illegal actions of our current president domestically and abroad to the extent of firing all the inspector generals that might rat out your crimes against our laws and the constitution. Nice try, though.

Give me examples. So your party is the Democratic Party. Glad you finally admitted it.

Never said that. I am independent, choosing the best candidate. Gave you examples. Try playing devils advocate and research them yourself. I may give you my opinion and listen to yours, but do not do homework for my own kids, when they were in school and I certainly didn't take you to raise. What's with you, last couple of days. You have been better spoken and more fact based. You just Fkn with me?

????? I am just laughing at how you and others just shrug at the hypocrisy of the Democrats. They treat Kavanaugh like the Devil but dismiss the laptop story as fake news. Bobulinsky to me anyway is more credible than Ford was. You disagree?

I shug at the hypocrisy of both sides, as little I can do about it. I have no problem with Kavanaugh and the decisions he has made on the court, more than anybody else on the court. Have nothing against Amy at the moment. I understand the hypocrisy of Moscow Mitch pushing it through, but basically just shrug. Truest thing trump ever said after he screwed the Covid response was "It is what it is" and it applies to a lot of things after the cards are played.

Only way to beat a virus is to garner herd immunity and watch it die out.

You're a fucking retard, ShortBus. That would result in at least roughly 6 million people dying in America. Whereas a better solution is to develop a vaccine.

6mil? LMAO where did you find that number? We ll see how the vaccine works. I hope you’re right. As far as I can see this only kills the feeble. So you have every right to be scared.

70% of the population, which is the minimum to achieve herd immunity, times 2.6%, the current mortality rate. It involves numbers, ShortBus, so I don't expect you to understand.

2.6% ha ha ha ha aha ha ahbahahahahahahhahahahahahahahahahhahaha
Even the most aggressive models had it at 2mil deaths. Stupid walking corpse.

Great, post them...

CDC shows COVID-19 has high survival rate; doctor still wants to see precautions taken

A CDC update Wednesday says individuals are more likely to survive the coronavirus after contracting it. The health agency says if you have the virus between the ages of 0 to 70, you have a 99% survival rate. And if you’re over 70, the survival rate is nearly 95%. While this CDC update is a …

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Here is another one, walking corpse. Anything else?

LOLOLOLOL

ShortBus .... Scenario 5: Current Best Estimate = 2.5%

You're your own worst enemy.

You fucked up the math and now you ll forever be known as a stupid walking corpse

ShortBus, you still need help with the math...?

231,045 deaths out of 8,962,783 cases equals 2.6%.

Can't you do math without a Liberal helping you?

Dumbass we have had way more cases as many have gone undiagnosed. OMG!!!! LOL...you’re so stupid. My wife definitely had it and recovered but never documented same with my kids. Duh. You’re so stupid. Dumb walking corpse.

We've also had many individuals who've been counted as multiple cases. Still, the fatality rate is about 2.6% according to the most recent numbers.

Nope.

Redirect Notice

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WHO assumed 750mil cases and we had 1 mil deaths at the time. Is that 2.5%? You dumb idiot walking corpse. I have Given you two math equations now that show you’re a fucking idiot. OMG!!!

Imbecile, that's an estimate for the entire planet, not just the U.S..

Per every million people, there are far more cases in the U.S. (27,031) than the entire planet (5,630) and far more related deaths in the U.S. (697) than the entire planet (149.6).

Furthermore, your own source, the WHO, frowns upon comparing CFR among countries...

Estimating mortality from COVID-19

Scientific Brief

www.who.int

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Conclusion​

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In the COVID-19 pandemic, we have seen broad variations in naïve estimations of CFR that may be misleading. Countries are difficult to compare for a number of reasons. They may be more or less likely to detect and report all COVID-19 deaths. Furthermore, they may be using different case definitions and testing strategies or counting cases differently (for example, with mild cases not being tested or counted). Variations in CFR also may be explained in part by the way time lags are handled. Differing quality of care or interventions being introduced at different stages of the illness also may play a role. Finally, the profile of patients (for example their age, sex, ethnicity and underlying comorbidities) may vary between countries.​

You stupid fuckhead. We are a sample of the planet 750mil assumed. So project that to the US. We have had a lot more cases than what the CDC shows but deaths remain constant. Less than 1% die. We would have about 2mil here of which 95% would be old and feeble people like you. Would help our social security and healthcare costs. Survival of the fittest.

 

[Godboy]

Translation:

HEY - IGNORE the Biden Corruption Scandal - LOOK OVER HERE...

Translation:
Yep, we and our supporters screwed the country on containment and control of the biggest, most infectious, deadliest pandemic in 100 years, so all we got is a last minute scandal about Biden's kid. Everybody likes scandal to divert attention, so vote for us and we will give you more. Good luck on the virus, as you will get no leadership from us. It is election year. Winning more important than people dying.

It hasnt been contained anywhere.

It has been curtailed in places, but not contained. It is official policy that we have declared defeat and are not going to control the pandemic, as stated by the white house chief of staff, while trump does super spreader events daily.

You cant contain it when its already out. Maybe if youre on an island and you isolate the few people that get it, but its only remotely possible in those extreme scenarios. There is certainly no containing it in the US and anyone who says otherwise is either lying or they're a fucking moron.

Cannot 100% is true, but could be curtailed and better controlled, than adopting a wait for vaccine or herd immunity policy.

How would you curtail it and control it better?

Masking, distancing, contact tracing in conjunction with requiring close contacts to quarantine instead of continuing to spread while testing to finding out if they are turning positive, closing down as necessary in specific hot spots, to avoid over filling hospital beds and facilities, to slow local infection rate and make sure facilities are available for other emergency services is a must. Employers especially in in large organizations, must put community health above immediate production needs to keep their workforce as safe as possible, sending people home, instead of allowing them to spread to co-workers. These are all tough calls, but necessary and require at local level. Nobody wants to shut down the country. It is counter productive. At the same time, local health departments and local governments must make the tough calls and there does not need to be decision trial by social media. It is also very important that government does not announce defeat and throw in the towel as continuing the fight will curtail the spread and ultimately save lives of both covid patients and other emergency medical patients that might live if services and facilities are not overwhelmed at local level.
That is my plan. It is far better than throwing up our hands, declaring defeat and waiting for possibly hundreds of thousands of deaths, that might have been prevented, had we continued the fight until vaccine availability or the giant unicorn of herd immunity.

We did all that. Social distancing, masks, etc. It didnt work. How can it work when people refuse to do those things? We have been watching democrat mobs swarming the streets for months. Maybe if we had declared martial law, but you wouldnt have wanted that and you would have fought tooth and nail against it.

 

[Uncensored2008]

Translation:

HEY - IGNORE the Biden Corruption Scandal - LOOK OVER HERE...

Translation:
Yep, we and our supporters screwed the country on containment and control of the biggest, most infectious, deadliest pandemic in 100 years, so all we got is a last minute scandal about Biden's kid. Everybody likes scandal to divert attention, so vote for us and we will give you more. Good luck on the virus, as you will get no leadership from us. It is election year. Winning more important than people dying.

It hasnt been contained anywhere.

It has been curtailed in places, but not contained. It is official policy that we have declared defeat and are not going to control the pandemic, as stated by the white house chief of staff, while trump does super spreader events daily.

You cant contain it when its already out. Maybe if youre on an island and you isolate the few people that get it, but its only remotely possible in those extreme scenarios. There is certainly no containing it in the US and anyone who says otherwise is either lying or they're a fucking moron.

Cannot 100% is true, but could be curtailed and better controlled, than adopting a wait for vaccine or herd immunity policy.

How would you curtail it and control it better?

How would you curtail it and control it better?

Jesus. Look around, dope. The answer is rigjt in front of you. We are the worst in the world. Literally anytging would be more effective.

You just don't understand contard logic... when the economy was growing, that had nothing to do with Democrat governors or even the growing economy Obama handed Impeached Trump, that was all due to Impeached Trump. Then when the economy crashed, Impeached Trump was not responsible at all. Then the blame fell entirely on Democrat governors. Then when people laid off started going back to work, that had nothing whatsoever to do with those same Democrat governors, then it became the greatest job growth in history thanks to Impeached Trump. This is repubonomics 101 that they've employed since the economy grew under Bill Clinton's presidency.

What a fucking retard.

You Islamicist-Terrorist logic isn't much, Farouk.

Lies are not logic, scumbag. The only economy the POTUS can shut down is that on Federal land. State Shudows are 100% the governors of those states - who more often than not assaulted their own economies to attack Trump. Andrew Cuomo murdered 40,000 people because he wanted a high death count from Wuhan - so he seeded nursing homes with the infected.

The myth of handing smallpox infected blankets to Indians 200 years before the germ theory of disease may be a fucking lie, but the seeding of Wuhan infected into nursing homes is flat out fact. Cuomo did it, Newsom did it, Frau Fuhrer Whitmer did it.

Serious Farouk, I don't know why your mullahs pay you.

 

[Godboy]

Translation:

HEY - IGNORE the Biden Corruption Scandal - LOOK OVER HERE...

Translation:
Yep, we and our supporters screwed the country on containment and control of the biggest, most infectious, deadliest pandemic in 100 years, so all we got is a last minute scandal about Biden's kid. Everybody likes scandal to divert attention, so vote for us and we will give you more. Good luck on the virus, as you will get no leadership from us. It is election year. Winning more important than people dying.

It hasnt been contained anywhere.

It has been curtailed in places, but not contained. It is official policy that we have declared defeat and are not going to control the pandemic, as stated by the white house chief of staff, while trump does super spreader events daily.

You cant contain it when its already out. Maybe if youre on an island and you isolate the few people that get it, but its only remotely possible in those extreme scenarios. There is certainly no containing it in the US and anyone who says otherwise is either lying or they're a fucking moron.

Cannot 100% is true, but could be curtailed and better controlled, than adopting a wait for vaccine or herd immunity policy.

How would you curtail it and control it better?

How would you curtail it and control it better?

Jesus. Look around, dope. The answer is rigjt in front of you. We are the worst in the world. Literally anytging would be more effective.

You just don't understand contard logic... when the economy was growing, that had nothing to do with Democrat governors or even the growing economy Obama handed Impeached Trump, that was all due to Impeached Trump. Then when the economy crashed, Impeached Trump was not responsible at all. Then the blame fell entirely on Democrat governors. Then when people laid off started going back to work, that had nothing whatsoever to do with those same Democrat governors, then it became the greatest job growth in history thanks to Impeached Trump. This is repubonomics 101 that they've employed since the economy grew under Bill Clinton's presidency.

What a fucking retard.

You Islamicist-Terrorist logic isn't much, Farouk.

Lies are not logic, scumbag. The only economy the POTUS can shut down is that on Federal land. State Shudows are 100% the governors of those states - who more often than not assaulted their own economies to attack Trump. Andrew Cuomo murdered 40,000 people because he wanted a high death count from Wuhan - so he seeded nursing homes with the infected.

The myth of handing smallpox infected blankets to Indians 200 years before the germ theory of disease may be a fucking lie, but the seeding of Wuhan infected into nursing homes is flat out fact. Cuomo did it, Newsom did it, Frau Fuhrer Whitmer did it.

Serious Farouk, I don't know why your mullahs pay you.

Anyone who thinks smallpox blankets were intentionally handed out is a fucking moron. Like you said, no one had any idea how diseases were spread in those days.

 

[Uncensored2008]

Trump is responsible for the American effort to eliminate thenpandemic, zipperhead! That is right up until he quit.

There was no credit to take. He is loathesome.

Zipperhead? I'm not Japanese, but you clearly are racist.

Regardless, the Trump administration has done an extraordinary job and combating the Wuhan virus. That you are without honor and attempt to leverage the pandemic for political gain through lies notwithstanding.

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WHOLE-OF-GOVERNMENT RESPONSE

• President Trump declared a national emergency, inviting States, territories, and tribes to access over $42 billion in existing funding.
• Trump signed legislation securing $8.3 billion for coronavirus response.
• Trump signed the Families First Coronavirus Response Act, ensuring that American families and businesses impacted by the virus receive the strong support they need.
• To leverage the resources of the entire government, the president created a White House Coronavirus Task Force to coordinate response.
• Vice President Pence named Dr. Deborah Birx to serve as the White House Coronavirus Response Coordinator.
• The president has held multiple teleconferences with our nation’s governors to coordinate response efforts and offer his full support.
• The president has approved major disaster declarations for impacted states like New York, Washington, and California.

TRAVEL RESTRICTIONS

• In January, Trump reacted quickly to implement travel restrictions on travel from China, buying us valuable time to respond to the virus.
• The president has announced further travel restrictions on global hotspots, including Europe, the United Kingdom and Ireland, and Iran.
• American citizens returning from travel-restricted countries are being routed to specific airports, where they can be screened and isolated as needed.
• The United States reached mutual agreements with Mexico and Canada to restrict non-essential travel across our northern and southern borders.
• The administration announced it will expeditiously return aliens who cross between ports of entry or are otherwise not allowed to enter the country, as the facilities in which these aliens would be held cannot support quarantine for the time needed to assess potential cases.
• The administration raised travel warnings to their highest level for other hot spot locations, like Japan and South Korea.
• The president has expanded airport screenings to identify travelers showing symptoms and instituted mandatory quarantines.
• The State Department issued a global level 4 travel advisory, urging Americans to avoid all international travel due to the coronavirus outbreak worldwide.

EXPANDING TESTING ACCESSIBILITY

• The FDA issued emergency approval for new commercial coronavirus tests to significantly expand testing across the country.
• The president secured legislation that will ensure Americans are able to be tested for free.
• The administration is working with state and local partners and the private sector to open up drive-through testing sites.
• The administration is working with the private sector to develop a website that Americans can utilize to determine whether they need a test and, if so, where to get it.
• HHS is providing funding to help accelerate the development of rapid diagnostic tests for the coronavirus.
• The FDA cut red tape to expand testing availability.
• Admiral Brett Giroir – the Assistant Secretary for Health and head of the Public Health Service – has been appointed to coordinate coronavirus testing efforts.
• The FDA is empowering states to authorize tests developed and used by laboratories in their states.
• The Department of Defense has set up 15 coronavirus testing sites worldwide.
• The president signed legislation requiring more reporting from state and private labs to ensure our public health officials have the data they need to respond to this outbreak.
• DoD and HHS worked to airlift hundreds of thousands of swabs and sample test kits from Italy to the United States.

SUPPORTING IMPACTED BUSINESSES

• The Small Business Administration has announced disaster loans which provide impacted businesses with up to $2 million.
• SBA relaxed criteria for disaster assistance loans – expanding small businesses’ access to economic assistance.
• The president directed the Energy Department to purchase large quantities of crude oil for the strategic reserve.
• Trump has held calls and meetings with business leaders from the pharmaceutical industry, airlines, health insurers, grocery stores, retail stores, banks, and more.
• The Treasury Department approved the establishment of the Money Market Mutual Fund Liquidity Facility to provide liquidity to the financial system.

HELPING FAMILIES AND WORKING AMERICANS

• The administration negotiated legislation which will provide tax credits for eligible businesses that give paid leave to Americans affected by the virus.
• The administration took action to provide more flexibility in unemployment insurance programs for workers impacted by the coronavirus.
• The Treasury Department moved tax day from April 15 to July 15.
• Trump signed legislation providing funding and flexibility for emergency nutritional aid for senior citizens, women, children, and low-income families.
• USDA announced new flexibilities to allow meal service during school closures.
• USDA announced a new collaboration with the private sector to deliver nearly 1,000,000 meals a week to students in rural schools closed due to the coronavirus.
• The administration is halting foreclosures and evictions for families with FHA-insured mortgages.
• The Department of Labor announced up to $100 million in dislocated worker grants in response to the coronavirus national health emergency.
• The White House worked with the private sector to launch a central website where families, students, and educators can access online education technologies.
• Trump signed legislation to provide continuity in educational benefits for veterans and their families who attend schools that have had to switch from in-person to online learning due to the coronavirus.
• The Department of Education has given broad approval to colleges and universities to allow them to more easily move their classes online.
• The Department of Education set interest rates on all federally-held student loans to 0% for at least 60 days.
• The Department of Education announced borrowers will have the option to suspend their payments on federally-held student loans for at least two months.
• The Department of Education is providing waivers for federal testing requirements to states that have had to close schools.

INFORMING THE PUBLIC

• The administration launched a website – coronavirus.gov – to keep the public informed about the outbreak.
• The president launched a partnership with the Ad Council, media networks, and digital platforms to communicate public services announcements about the coronavirus.
• The president announced guidelines for Americans to follow and do their part to stem the spread of the virus.
• The Task Force is holding nearly daily press conferences to provide the American people with the latest information.
• The Task Force has recommended mitigation strategies to heavily impacted communities, like those in New York, Washington, and California.
• CMS announced guidance to protect vulnerable elderly Americans and limit medically unnecessary visits to nursing homes.

SUPPORTING PATIENTS AND HEALTHCARE PROVIDERS

• In January, the administration declared the coronavirus to be a public health emergency.
• The president donated his fourth-quarter 2019 salary to the Department of Health and Human Services for coronavirus response efforts.
• The president took action to give HHS authority to waive rules and regulations so that healthcare providers have maximum flexibility to respond to this outbreak.
• CMS is giving flexibility to Medicare Advantage and Part D plans to waive cost-sharing for coronavirus tests and treatment.
• CMS created new billing codes for coronavirus tests to promote better tracking of the public health response.
• The White House Office of Science and Technology Policy coordinated with the NIH, the tech industry, and nonprofits to release a machine readable collection of 29,000 coronavirus-related research articles, which will help scientists discover insights to virus’ genetics, incubation, treatment, symptoms, and prevention.
• The administration announced that health plans with health savings accounts will be able to cover coronavirus testing and treatment without co-payments.
• CMS dramatically expanded telehealth for Medicare beneficiaries, ensuring more patients can access their doctors remotely while avoiding exposure.
• HHS lifted HIPAA penalties to enable healthcare providers to expand telehealth access for patients.
• The VA established 19 emergency operations centers across the country and put in place visitation restrictions to limit patients’ exposure.
• CMS and the VA are working to limit nonessential, elective medical procedures to free up healthcare resources.
• The Navy will be deploying two medical ships to help support impacted areas.
• The president announced Carnival Cruise Lines will be making ships available for hospitals to use for non-coronavirus patients.

STRENGTHENING ESSENTIAL MEDICAL SUPPLIES

• The president announced he is invoking the Defense Production Act.
• The president signed a memorandum directing his Administration to make general-use face masks available to healthcare workers.
• HHS announced it will be purchasing 500 million N95 respirators for the Strategic National Stockpile.
• The Department of Defense announced it will be providing 5 million respirator masks and 2,000 specialized ventilators to assist.
• The president signed legislation removing restrictions that prevented manufacturers from selling industrial masks – which can readily protect healthcare workers – directly to hospitals.

DEVELOPING VACCINES AND THERAPEUTICS

• The administration is working to help accelerate the development of therapeutics and a vaccine to combat the coronavirus.
• The FDA is evaluating existing drugs that could serve as potential therapeutics for coronavirus patients.
• The administration is actively working with drug manufacturers to monitor any potential drug supply chain issues.
• The administration is expanding research and consulting with experts to better understand the transmission of coronavirus.
• The National Institutes of Health has announced the beginning of a clinical trial for a coronavirus vaccine candidate.

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List: 74 actions taken by Trump to fight virus and bolster economy - Washington Examiner

In less than a week, the Trump administration has greatly expanded the actions it's taken to fight the coronavirus and boost the economy, according to its latest tally of “response efforts.”Last week, when Secrets first ran the list, it totaled 43. By Monday, it was at 74, with many more planned...

www.washingtonexaminer.com

He lied. He mocks wearing masks. He should have died, if there is karma.

DERP

Pathetic.

You have no honor, no integrity, no soul.

You don't know what Karma is you ignorant baboon. If there is karma, you will reincarnate as a dung beetle.

 

[Faun]

Translation:

HEY - IGNORE the Biden Corruption Scandal - LOOK OVER HERE...

Translation:
Yep, we and our supporters screwed the country on containment and control of the biggest, most infectious, deadliest pandemic in 100 years, so all we got is a last minute scandal about Biden's kid. Everybody likes scandal to divert attention, so vote for us and we will give you more. Good luck on the virus, as you will get no leadership from us. It is election year. Winning more important than people dying.

What would you have done differently? The places where strict lockdowns took place had the most spread? Can you name one pro, college or HS athlete who has died from COVID anywhere in the world? Just one. Thank you.

Lockdowns don’t work. It remains a mystery as to why the world entered one

Surjit S Bhalla writes: Lockdowns were an unnatural experiment and, around the world, they have not worked in achieving their major health objective of less infections or slower pace of infections.

www.google.com

College football player dies of COVID-19 complications

College football player dies of COVID-19 complications

Jamain Stephens — a 20-year-old defensive lineman at the California University of Pennsylvania — was the son of a former Steeler.

nypost.com

'Chad was beloved by all his teammates': Davidson County basketball player, 19, dies from COVID-19 complications

'Chad was beloved by all his teammates': Davidson County basketball player, 19, dies from COVID-19 complications

Chad Dorrill was a recent Ledford High School graduate and team member of the Piedmont Pacers.

www.wfmynews2.com

Puyallup High School graduate dies of COVID-19 complications

Eli Sevener played football and baseball and graduated in 2019.

Puyallup High School graduate dies of COVID-19 complications

Eli Sevener played football and baseball and graduated in 2019.

www.king5.com

Here are a few example of what you asked about. Why concentrate on young athletes? Middle aged and older Americans not worth your concern? Makes you sound like a trump supporter.

ALL three of the links say they died of COVID-19 COMPLICATIONS, which suggest an underlying health issue.

The CDC have showed that only 6% of all China Virus related deaths, was from the virus infection itself.

Yah, yah, yah, and most people that die because of regular flue actually die of pneumonia caused by getting the flu. People have conditions that they live with fine until something like this strikes. You cannot win this argument, unless you are going to just go ahead and exterminate every body with any type of medical conditions and then start adding up your pure count of Covid dead. Doubt you are going to change many death certificates.

You cannot win this argument at all...You are the one insisting that what clearly isn't working continue to be done.

You are, by definition, insane.

Take your meds and blow me.

Translation: "I am insane and have no argument".

Translation you made your little amateur diagnosis ( typical trumpian BS) and cannot prove it, so blow me, Clown.

Your hatred for Trump has blinded you. You are irrational like AOC.

Your love of Trump has blinded you. You are irrational as any cultist follower. Enjoy the Kool-Aide.

No “e” in Kool Aid and no my hatred of lying Democrats has me all in against them and their lies. My kids are still home because of their bullshit worry and teachers and politicians still getting paid fully for not doing their jobs. I ask Again, what would you have done differently than Trump? Democrats are liars with their fake Russia conspiracy bullshit and now blaming Trump for this instead of China.

I said it in an earlier post today. Not going to look it up. You do it.

Why not? It’s your post? Pretty rude. You going to put me on ignore too like the cowardly OP? Amazing how Democrats don’t want to debate but just want an echo chamber.

Hey Azog. It popped up in my alerts, something I post at 11:48 this morning, so I copied it. I just did not want to have to look it up and ain't on the payroll. Here ya go. :
I would have taken some of the same steps, but leveled with the American People, not just favored investment groups. I would have set the example of masking, distancing, and used the bully pulpit to attack those that tried to rally support for ignoring the science as health, we were taught in high school. Trump should have rallied his supporters to fight the virus, not health officials. I definitely would not have suggested various dumb assed treatments, such as internal cleansers, sunlight, or made assurance it would end when warm weather came. I would not have held spreader events against the recommendation of health experts. I would not have made fun of people for masking. I would not have nationalized PPE purchased and on the way to hospitals early in the epidemic, to turn over to selected wholesalers to be sold for higher profits. He was a bad leader in time of crises and that is all that counts. Anybody can play leader when the going is easy. When the chips are down is the only time that counts. Heck, he wasn't that great when times were supposed to be easy. Trump being trump is what got him impeached.

But initially the CDC and the surgeon general said masks were bad?

Initially, I think they were trying to make sure their first responders and hospital front line personnel were covered. They were masking in other countries at that time. Doctors are always masking to protect patients from infection and have worn masks to protect themselves (as possible) from the illnesses of patients. It is kind of elementary, old school, first line protection, especially with diseases that cause coughing. This isn't some new age, just discovered medical technique. Even if it is carried on breath without droplet projected by cough, it keeps it from going as far and some are indeed caught clinging to the fibers in the mask, including non-surgical masks. Any is better than none in my book.

No. They said wearing masks mean you touch your face too much and hence would spread the virus. They didn’t know if it was air-born and thought you d get it by touching your face if you recall. Fauci, Birx, WHO were all wrong but we are blaming Trump.

Hey, like I said, the masking thing is one of the elementary things learned in health and used for generations. It did not take a scientist with a Phd to tell me it was the right way to go this year. Even the little Asian woman coughing her way down the aisle of the plain I was on before I got sick was trying to cover her mouth (just not succeeding) and made me wish I had a mask at the time. Damn sure wished I had, had one 5 days later.

Again lockdowns dont work and masks for life is unrealistic.

What is it that bothers you about a mask. Are you claustrophobic? They do not bother me. Was in Lowes again yesterday in a narrow Hardware aisle for a screw-in hook. Immediate behind me was an old guy with a bad dry sounding cough and every time he breathed out it was a hard houghhhh s sound and visible shoulder slump. Suspect he is screwed, but he was masked and I was definitely glad I was masked. I swear Azog, if you ever worked, climbed, crawled, fired, loaded a tank, just did the normal things that sometime make up a day as a tanker for 8 or 10 hours, in full Military Operational Protective Posture 4, (which includes a gas mask, charcoal lined suit, hood, boots and rubber gloves to the elbows) a little cloth dbl or triple layer face mask would not seem like anything. Life ain't just a bowl of cherries, ya know, and it will get back to normal sooner or later.

Masks don’t bother me. What bothers me is hypocrisy. Leftists keep yelling to trust science and then they tell me that gender is a construct and ignore science and logical people like you still vote blue. Fucking insanity.

Jeez, the kinks came out with Lola in 1970 and this crap is still bugging the heck out of you? My daughter is 4 years older than you are. I am supposed to be the one stuck in his ways here. Just stay out of the wrong bars and if you are on the internet, don't go to that site.

Wrong. My kids plays sports and they are girls and now they are stuck playing vs trans girls. Why? Because society has gone mad. So now we only trust the science when it’s convenient? I see. All you people are so illogical.

Normal little girls playing against chicks with dicks is not fair. They really ought to have a league of their own, doubt if Tom Hanks would coach, but Madonna would probably be up to play.

Democrats are hypocrites. Want you to wear masks and social distance unless they are “peacefully protesting”. Want you to trust science unless it’s inconvenient for them. Great people..and you vote for them. Sadly.

I don't always vote for them, only when the republicans want to swing too far or do something to damage my stable position. I didn't take up peaceful protest for the year either. I will say, I saw a lot of masked people at times, at the sometimes peaceful protests. Wondered if they were more about hiding their identity, so they wouldn't lose their day job, as peaceful did not seem to last past sundown.
I understand what you are saying, but the fact is most of the democrats were not out there protesting peaceful or otherwise, just like most of the republicans were not out there in Boogaloo, Proud Boys, or random militia BDUs, ALICE gear and loaded for armageddon. If you listen to either of the echo chambers, that is just how it was presented as it suited their respective, un respectable narratives.
Science is not your enemy. At some level, you know this. It is just fashionable to dis science in the current political atmosphere. I had multiple Multiple MRIs two years ago and then my surgeon went into my leg and knee, harvesting parts to make other parts and put me back together. I have the DVD of the complete MRI series from two states on my solid state computer hard drive, that I view on my flat screen monitor. My older brother had triple bypass open heart surgery the year before that, to correct a problem that would have been a death when we were kids. I was born in 1954. This crap did not exist back then. It was science fiction. Now it is science fact.

You missed my point. Hypocrisy is the enemy. Are you even paying attention?

--- Trust science unless it comes to transgender issues
--- Wear masks unless you're protesting and burning shit but we will call it a myth
--- Don't use your majority to confirm a supreme court justice but we will to impeach the President


My issue is hypocrisy and you completely missed it with your diatribe. If we don't even listen to one another then what is the point?

Hypocrisy is one of the hall marks of politics on both sides, and at present as in the past both sides are guilty as I charge. I listen, but both sides over blow their case. Actual reality is somewhere in the middle, as it has always been.

I have never seen it this blatant and to me it screams that they believe that voters are stupid. I am smarter than they are. They will not get my vote and I will spread my message so many more vote RED.

I have heard this charge of hypocrisy on both sides since I was 12. If you think back, so have you. Don't over react and call it new or higher level. It is not.

Give me an example of such blatant hypocrisy from 2012. I'll wait.

No. You keep asking for research projects, but forget I am not on the payroll. But since you are really talking about memory or realization. How about the weapons of mass destruction, to get a war in the entire middle east, while claiming we were the good guys? We were only going to get in, find them and destroy the capability to manufacture, then we supposedly decided on regime change. Yeah.., right. I never did trust that Son-Of-A-Bush.
How about, the draconian warrantless wire taps, Special Rendition and most of the Patriot act in our free country with rights guaranteed by the constitution? Never let a crises go to waste, eh?

Bush lied. I didn't vote for him thankfully!

He was our worst president to date but that wasn't hypocrisy it was just lying.

Hypocrisy is when your party stands for conservative values in support of the constitution, yet you go for government intervention, surveillance, massive fiscal irresponsibility after pushing a balance budget on the opposing party president, keeping your new war off budget for the first 4 years (or was it 8) of your administration. Always speaking up for Geneva convention, until you want to torture prisoners off the American continent, and a host of other things, including green lighting illegal actions of our current president domestically and abroad to the extent of firing all the inspector generals that might rat out your crimes against our laws and the constitution. Nice try, though.

Give me examples. So your party is the Democratic Party. Glad you finally admitted it.

Never said that. I am independent, choosing the best candidate. Gave you examples. Try playing devils advocate and research them yourself. I may give you my opinion and listen to yours, but do not do homework for my own kids, when they were in school and I certainly didn't take you to raise. What's with you, last couple of days. You have been better spoken and more fact based. You just Fkn with me?

????? I am just laughing at how you and others just shrug at the hypocrisy of the Democrats. They treat Kavanaugh like the Devil but dismiss the laptop story as fake news. Bobulinsky to me anyway is more credible than Ford was. You disagree?

I shug at the hypocrisy of both sides, as little I can do about it. I have no problem with Kavanaugh and the decisions he has made on the court, more than anybody else on the court. Have nothing against Amy at the moment. I understand the hypocrisy of Moscow Mitch pushing it through, but basically just shrug. Truest thing trump ever said after he screwed the Covid response was "It is what it is" and it applies to a lot of things after the cards are played.

Only way to beat a virus is to garner herd immunity and watch it die out.

You're a fucking retard, ShortBus. That would result in at least roughly 6 million people dying in America. Whereas a better solution is to develop a vaccine.

6mil? LMAO where did you find that number? We ll see how the vaccine works. I hope you’re right. As far as I can see this only kills the feeble. So you have every right to be scared.

70% of the population, which is the minimum to achieve herd immunity, times 2.6%, the current mortality rate. It involves numbers, ShortBus, so I don't expect you to understand.

2.6% ha ha ha ha aha ha ahbahahahahahahhahahahahahahahahahhahaha
Even the most aggressive models had it at 2mil deaths. Stupid walking corpse.

Great, post them...

CDC shows COVID-19 has high survival rate; doctor still wants to see precautions taken

A CDC update Wednesday says individuals are more likely to survive the coronavirus after contracting it. The health agency says if you have the virus between the ages of 0 to 70, you have a 99% survival rate. And if you’re over 70, the survival rate is nearly 95%. While this CDC update is a …

www.winknews.com

Here is another one, walking corpse. Anything else?

LOLOLOLOL

ShortBus .... Scenario 5: Current Best Estimate = 2.5%

You're your own worst enemy.

You fucked up the math and now you ll forever be known as a stupid walking corpse

ShortBus, you still need help with the math...?

231,045 deaths out of 8,962,783 cases equals 2.6%.

Can't you do math without a Liberal helping you?

Dumbass we have had way more cases as many have gone undiagnosed. OMG!!!! LOL...you’re so stupid. My wife definitely had it and recovered but never documented same with my kids. Duh. You’re so stupid. Dumb walking corpse.

We've also had many individuals who've been counted as multiple cases. Still, the fatality rate is about 2.6% according to the most recent numbers.

Nope.

Redirect Notice

www.google.com

WHO assumed 750mil cases and we had 1 mil deaths at the time. Is that 2.5%? You dumb idiot walking corpse. I have Given you two math equations now that show you’re a fucking idiot. OMG!!!

Imbecile, that's an estimate for the entire planet, not just the U.S..

Per every million people, there are far more cases in the U.S. (27,031) than the entire planet (5,630) and far more related deaths in the U.S. (697) than the entire planet (149.6).

Furthermore, your own source, the WHO, frowns upon comparing CFR among countries...

Estimating mortality from COVID-19

Scientific Brief

www.who.int

​

Conclusion​

​

In the COVID-19 pandemic, we have seen broad variations in naïve estimations of CFR that may be misleading. Countries are difficult to compare for a number of reasons. They may be more or less likely to detect and report all COVID-19 deaths. Furthermore, they may be using different case definitions and testing strategies or counting cases differently (for example, with mild cases not being tested or counted). Variations in CFR also may be explained in part by the way time lags are handled. Differing quality of care or interventions being introduced at different stages of the illness also may play a role. Finally, the profile of patients (for example their age, sex, ethnicity and underlying comorbidities) may vary between countries.​

You're such a fucking liar, Farouk.

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COVID-19 deaths per capita by country | Statista

COVID deaths worldwide were highest in Peru, topping a list that compares deaths per million in 210 countries worldwide.

www.statista.com

Belgium, capital of the EU is #2 in the world - the USA way down at 9th place.

Poor, Fruitcake, maybe you wouldn't appear to be the raving lunatic you are if only you understood English...

 

[AzogtheDefiler]

Translation:

HEY - IGNORE the Biden Corruption Scandal - LOOK OVER HERE...

Translation:
Yep, we and our supporters screwed the country on containment and control of the biggest, most infectious, deadliest pandemic in 100 years, so all we got is a last minute scandal about Biden's kid. Everybody likes scandal to divert attention, so vote for us and we will give you more. Good luck on the virus, as you will get no leadership from us. It is election year. Winning more important than people dying.

What would you have done differently? The places where strict lockdowns took place had the most spread? Can you name one pro, college or HS athlete who has died from COVID anywhere in the world? Just one. Thank you.

Lockdowns don’t work. It remains a mystery as to why the world entered one

Surjit S Bhalla writes: Lockdowns were an unnatural experiment and, around the world, they have not worked in achieving their major health objective of less infections or slower pace of infections.

www.google.com

College football player dies of COVID-19 complications

College football player dies of COVID-19 complications

Jamain Stephens — a 20-year-old defensive lineman at the California University of Pennsylvania — was the son of a former Steeler.

nypost.com

'Chad was beloved by all his teammates': Davidson County basketball player, 19, dies from COVID-19 complications

'Chad was beloved by all his teammates': Davidson County basketball player, 19, dies from COVID-19 complications

Chad Dorrill was a recent Ledford High School graduate and team member of the Piedmont Pacers.

www.wfmynews2.com

Puyallup High School graduate dies of COVID-19 complications

Eli Sevener played football and baseball and graduated in 2019.

Puyallup High School graduate dies of COVID-19 complications

Eli Sevener played football and baseball and graduated in 2019.

www.king5.com

Here are a few example of what you asked about. Why concentrate on young athletes? Middle aged and older Americans not worth your concern? Makes you sound like a trump supporter.

ALL three of the links say they died of COVID-19 COMPLICATIONS, which suggest an underlying health issue.

The CDC have showed that only 6% of all China Virus related deaths, was from the virus infection itself.

Yah, yah, yah, and most people that die because of regular flue actually die of pneumonia caused by getting the flu. People have conditions that they live with fine until something like this strikes. You cannot win this argument, unless you are going to just go ahead and exterminate every body with any type of medical conditions and then start adding up your pure count of Covid dead. Doubt you are going to change many death certificates.

You cannot win this argument at all...You are the one insisting that what clearly isn't working continue to be done.

You are, by definition, insane.

Take your meds and blow me.

Translation: "I am insane and have no argument".

Translation you made your little amateur diagnosis ( typical trumpian BS) and cannot prove it, so blow me, Clown.

Your hatred for Trump has blinded you. You are irrational like AOC.

Your love of Trump has blinded you. You are irrational as any cultist follower. Enjoy the Kool-Aide.

No “e” in Kool Aid and no my hatred of lying Democrats has me all in against them and their lies. My kids are still home because of their bullshit worry and teachers and politicians still getting paid fully for not doing their jobs. I ask Again, what would you have done differently than Trump? Democrats are liars with their fake Russia conspiracy bullshit and now blaming Trump for this instead of China.

I said it in an earlier post today. Not going to look it up. You do it.

Why not? It’s your post? Pretty rude. You going to put me on ignore too like the cowardly OP? Amazing how Democrats don’t want to debate but just want an echo chamber.

Hey Azog. It popped up in my alerts, something I post at 11:48 this morning, so I copied it. I just did not want to have to look it up and ain't on the payroll. Here ya go. :
I would have taken some of the same steps, but leveled with the American People, not just favored investment groups. I would have set the example of masking, distancing, and used the bully pulpit to attack those that tried to rally support for ignoring the science as health, we were taught in high school. Trump should have rallied his supporters to fight the virus, not health officials. I definitely would not have suggested various dumb assed treatments, such as internal cleansers, sunlight, or made assurance it would end when warm weather came. I would not have held spreader events against the recommendation of health experts. I would not have made fun of people for masking. I would not have nationalized PPE purchased and on the way to hospitals early in the epidemic, to turn over to selected wholesalers to be sold for higher profits. He was a bad leader in time of crises and that is all that counts. Anybody can play leader when the going is easy. When the chips are down is the only time that counts. Heck, he wasn't that great when times were supposed to be easy. Trump being trump is what got him impeached.

But initially the CDC and the surgeon general said masks were bad?

Initially, I think they were trying to make sure their first responders and hospital front line personnel were covered. They were masking in other countries at that time. Doctors are always masking to protect patients from infection and have worn masks to protect themselves (as possible) from the illnesses of patients. It is kind of elementary, old school, first line protection, especially with diseases that cause coughing. This isn't some new age, just discovered medical technique. Even if it is carried on breath without droplet projected by cough, it keeps it from going as far and some are indeed caught clinging to the fibers in the mask, including non-surgical masks. Any is better than none in my book.

No. They said wearing masks mean you touch your face too much and hence would spread the virus. They didn’t know if it was air-born and thought you d get it by touching your face if you recall. Fauci, Birx, WHO were all wrong but we are blaming Trump.

Hey, like I said, the masking thing is one of the elementary things learned in health and used for generations. It did not take a scientist with a Phd to tell me it was the right way to go this year. Even the little Asian woman coughing her way down the aisle of the plain I was on before I got sick was trying to cover her mouth (just not succeeding) and made me wish I had a mask at the time. Damn sure wished I had, had one 5 days later.

Again lockdowns dont work and masks for life is unrealistic.

What is it that bothers you about a mask. Are you claustrophobic? They do not bother me. Was in Lowes again yesterday in a narrow Hardware aisle for a screw-in hook. Immediate behind me was an old guy with a bad dry sounding cough and every time he breathed out it was a hard houghhhh s sound and visible shoulder slump. Suspect he is screwed, but he was masked and I was definitely glad I was masked. I swear Azog, if you ever worked, climbed, crawled, fired, loaded a tank, just did the normal things that sometime make up a day as a tanker for 8 or 10 hours, in full Military Operational Protective Posture 4, (which includes a gas mask, charcoal lined suit, hood, boots and rubber gloves to the elbows) a little cloth dbl or triple layer face mask would not seem like anything. Life ain't just a bowl of cherries, ya know, and it will get back to normal sooner or later.

Masks don’t bother me. What bothers me is hypocrisy. Leftists keep yelling to trust science and then they tell me that gender is a construct and ignore science and logical people like you still vote blue. Fucking insanity.

Jeez, the kinks came out with Lola in 1970 and this crap is still bugging the heck out of you? My daughter is 4 years older than you are. I am supposed to be the one stuck in his ways here. Just stay out of the wrong bars and if you are on the internet, don't go to that site.

Wrong. My kids plays sports and they are girls and now they are stuck playing vs trans girls. Why? Because society has gone mad. So now we only trust the science when it’s convenient? I see. All you people are so illogical.

Normal little girls playing against chicks with dicks is not fair. They really ought to have a league of their own, doubt if Tom Hanks would coach, but Madonna would probably be up to play.

Democrats are hypocrites. Want you to wear masks and social distance unless they are “peacefully protesting”. Want you to trust science unless it’s inconvenient for them. Great people..and you vote for them. Sadly.

I don't always vote for them, only when the republicans want to swing too far or do something to damage my stable position. I didn't take up peaceful protest for the year either. I will say, I saw a lot of masked people at times, at the sometimes peaceful protests. Wondered if they were more about hiding their identity, so they wouldn't lose their day job, as peaceful did not seem to last past sundown.
I understand what you are saying, but the fact is most of the democrats were not out there protesting peaceful or otherwise, just like most of the republicans were not out there in Boogaloo, Proud Boys, or random militia BDUs, ALICE gear and loaded for armageddon. If you listen to either of the echo chambers, that is just how it was presented as it suited their respective, un respectable narratives.
Science is not your enemy. At some level, you know this. It is just fashionable to dis science in the current political atmosphere. I had multiple Multiple MRIs two years ago and then my surgeon went into my leg and knee, harvesting parts to make other parts and put me back together. I have the DVD of the complete MRI series from two states on my solid state computer hard drive, that I view on my flat screen monitor. My older brother had triple bypass open heart surgery the year before that, to correct a problem that would have been a death when we were kids. I was born in 1954. This crap did not exist back then. It was science fiction. Now it is science fact.

You missed my point. Hypocrisy is the enemy. Are you even paying attention?

--- Trust science unless it comes to transgender issues
--- Wear masks unless you're protesting and burning shit but we will call it a myth
--- Don't use your majority to confirm a supreme court justice but we will to impeach the President


My issue is hypocrisy and you completely missed it with your diatribe. If we don't even listen to one another then what is the point?

Hypocrisy is one of the hall marks of politics on both sides, and at present as in the past both sides are guilty as I charge. I listen, but both sides over blow their case. Actual reality is somewhere in the middle, as it has always been.

I have never seen it this blatant and to me it screams that they believe that voters are stupid. I am smarter than they are. They will not get my vote and I will spread my message so many more vote RED.

I have heard this charge of hypocrisy on both sides since I was 12. If you think back, so have you. Don't over react and call it new or higher level. It is not.

Give me an example of such blatant hypocrisy from 2012. I'll wait.

No. You keep asking for research projects, but forget I am not on the payroll. But since you are really talking about memory or realization. How about the weapons of mass destruction, to get a war in the entire middle east, while claiming we were the good guys? We were only going to get in, find them and destroy the capability to manufacture, then we supposedly decided on regime change. Yeah.., right. I never did trust that Son-Of-A-Bush.
How about, the draconian warrantless wire taps, Special Rendition and most of the Patriot act in our free country with rights guaranteed by the constitution? Never let a crises go to waste, eh?

Bush lied. I didn't vote for him thankfully!

He was our worst president to date but that wasn't hypocrisy it was just lying.

Hypocrisy is when your party stands for conservative values in support of the constitution, yet you go for government intervention, surveillance, massive fiscal irresponsibility after pushing a balance budget on the opposing party president, keeping your new war off budget for the first 4 years (or was it 8) of your administration. Always speaking up for Geneva convention, until you want to torture prisoners off the American continent, and a host of other things, including green lighting illegal actions of our current president domestically and abroad to the extent of firing all the inspector generals that might rat out your crimes against our laws and the constitution. Nice try, though.

Give me examples. So your party is the Democratic Party. Glad you finally admitted it.

Never said that. I am independent, choosing the best candidate. Gave you examples. Try playing devils advocate and research them yourself. I may give you my opinion and listen to yours, but do not do homework for my own kids, when they were in school and I certainly didn't take you to raise. What's with you, last couple of days. You have been better spoken and more fact based. You just Fkn with me?

????? I am just laughing at how you and others just shrug at the hypocrisy of the Democrats. They treat Kavanaugh like the Devil but dismiss the laptop story as fake news. Bobulinsky to me anyway is more credible than Ford was. You disagree?

I shug at the hypocrisy of both sides, as little I can do about it. I have no problem with Kavanaugh and the decisions he has made on the court, more than anybody else on the court. Have nothing against Amy at the moment. I understand the hypocrisy of Moscow Mitch pushing it through, but basically just shrug. Truest thing trump ever said after he screwed the Covid response was "It is what it is" and it applies to a lot of things after the cards are played.

Only way to beat a virus is to garner herd immunity and watch it die out.

You're a fucking retard, ShortBus. That would result in at least roughly 6 million people dying in America. Whereas a better solution is to develop a vaccine.

6mil? LMAO where did you find that number? We ll see how the vaccine works. I hope you’re right. As far as I can see this only kills the feeble. So you have every right to be scared.

70% of the population, which is the minimum to achieve herd immunity, times 2.6%, the current mortality rate. It involves numbers, ShortBus, so I don't expect you to understand.

2.6% ha ha ha ha aha ha ahbahahahahahahhahahahahahahahahahhahaha
Even the most aggressive models had it at 2mil deaths. Stupid walking corpse.

Great, post them...

CDC shows COVID-19 has high survival rate; doctor still wants to see precautions taken

A CDC update Wednesday says individuals are more likely to survive the coronavirus after contracting it. The health agency says if you have the virus between the ages of 0 to 70, you have a 99% survival rate. And if you’re over 70, the survival rate is nearly 95%. While this CDC update is a …

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Here is another one, walking corpse. Anything else?

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ShortBus .... Scenario 5: Current Best Estimate = 2.5%

You're your own worst enemy.

You fucked up the math and now you ll forever be known as a stupid walking corpse

ShortBus, you still need help with the math...?

231,045 deaths out of 8,962,783 cases equals 2.6%.

Can't you do math without a Liberal helping you?

Dumbass we have had way more cases as many have gone undiagnosed. OMG!!!! LOL...you’re so stupid. My wife definitely had it and recovered but never documented same with my kids. Duh. You’re so stupid. Dumb walking corpse.

We've also had many individuals who've been counted as multiple cases. Still, the fatality rate is about 2.6% according to the most recent numbers.

Nope.

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WHO assumed 750mil cases and we had 1 mil deaths at the time. Is that 2.5%? You dumb idiot walking corpse. I have Given you two math equations now that show you’re a fucking idiot. OMG!!!

Imbecile, that's an estimate for the entire planet, not just the U.S..

Per every million people, there are far more cases in the U.S. (27,031) than the entire planet (5,630) and far more related deaths in the U.S. (697) than the entire planet (149.6).

Furthermore, your own source, the WHO, frowns upon comparing CFR among countries...

Estimating mortality from COVID-19

Scientific Brief

www.who.int

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In the COVID-19 pandemic, we have seen broad variations in naïve estimations of CFR that may be misleading. Countries are difficult to compare for a number of reasons. They may be more or less likely to detect and report all COVID-19 deaths. Furthermore, they may be using different case definitions and testing strategies or counting cases differently (for example, with mild cases not being tested or counted). Variations in CFR also may be explained in part by the way time lags are handled. Differing quality of care or interventions being introduced at different stages of the illness also may play a role. Finally, the profile of patients (for example their age, sex, ethnicity and underlying comorbidities) may vary between countries.​

You're such a fucking liar, Farouk.

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COVID-19 deaths per capita by country | Statista

COVID deaths worldwide were highest in Peru, topping a list that compares deaths per million in 210 countries worldwide.

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Belgium, capital of the EU is #2 in the world - the USA way down at 9th place.

Poor, Fruitcake, maybe you wouldn't appear to be the raving lunatic you are if only you understood English...

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You walking corpse, those cases aren't capturing every case just every reported case. Many have had it like my family and didn't have severe enough symptoms to get tested. You are such an imbecile it hurts. The real death rate per the WHO is way less than 1%.

I am not sure how much more clearly I can explain that to you? What a dumb waste of life you are.