CDZ True or false, government dictating to private organizations is fascist.

[Pellinore]

Reminder, this is the "Clean Debate Zone".

True. Fascism permits private ownership, but not necessarily private management.

I think the OP statement is too broad. "Dictating to" can be seen as including business laws and regulation, which is not only not fascist, but required to keep run-wild capitalism in check. "Controlling," maybe, but not "dictating to."

 

[Mac1958]

Reminder, this is the "Clean Debate Zone".
True. Fascism permits private ownership, but not necessarily private management.

False. This is one of the long-lasting after-effects of Reagan's "government is the problem" speech line. Many on the Right have been fooled into believing that regulation is a cancer on capitalism, when in fact, careful regulation is a critical component of capitalism.

As with most things, it's a matter of equilibrium - making regulation as efficient and effective as possible to protect markets & participants, while not placing so many draconian and redundant controls on business that the dynamics of capitalism are snuffed out.

We saw in 2008 what happens when we under-regulate financial markets. Alan Greenspan refused to regulate derivatives, and later admitted that he screwed up. His whole "markets are self-correcting" fantasy was shoved right down his throat by reality.

This weird, neo-psuedo libertarianism consuming the Right is interesting, but it's not reality.
.

 

[K9Buck]

Reminder, this is the "Clean Debate Zone".

True. Fascism permits private ownership, but not necessarily private management.

I think the OP statement is too broad. "Dictating to" can be seen as including business laws and regulation, which is not only not fascist, but required to keep run-wild capitalism in check. "Controlling," maybe, but not "dictating to."

I agree that companies must be precluded from dumping waste into our rivers. I disagree that government should be able to tell them how to run their business, how much to charge, etc.

 

[K9Buck]

Reminder, this is the "Clean Debate Zone".
True. Fascism permits private ownership, but not necessarily private management.

False. This is one of the long-lasting after-effects of Reagan's "government is the problem" speech line. Many on the Right have been fooled into believing that regulation is a cancer on capitalism, when in fact, careful regulation is a critical component of capitalism.

As with most things, it's a matter of equilibrium - making regulation as efficient and effective as possible to protect markets & participants, while not placing so many draconian and redundant controls on business that the dynamics of capitalism are snuffed out.

We saw in 2008 what happens when we under-regulate financial markets. Alan Greenspan refused to regulate derivatives, and later admitted that he screwed up. His whole "markets are self-correcting" fantasy was shoved right down his throat by reality.

This weird, neo-psuedo libertarianism consuming the Right is interesting, but it's not reality.
.

The 2008 crash was a result of government getting into the home-finance business just like government being in the student-loan business has caused tuition to rise.

You don't think it's "fascist" for the government to tell someone how much they're allowed to charge?

 

[Mac1958]

Reminder, this is the "Clean Debate Zone".
True. Fascism permits private ownership, but not necessarily private management.

False. This is one of the long-lasting after-effects of Reagan's "government is the problem" speech line. Many on the Right have been fooled into believing that regulation is a cancer on capitalism, when in fact, careful regulation is a critical component of capitalism.

As with most things, it's a matter of equilibrium - making regulation as efficient and effective as possible to protect markets & participants, while not placing so many draconian and redundant controls on business that the dynamics of capitalism are snuffed out.

We saw in 2008 what happens when we under-regulate financial markets. Alan Greenspan refused to regulate derivatives, and later admitted that he screwed up. His whole "markets are self-correcting" fantasy was shoved right down his throat by reality.

This weird, neo-psuedo libertarianism consuming the Right is interesting, but it's not reality.
.

The 2008 crash was a result of government getting into the home-finance business just like government being in the student-loan business has caused tuition to rise.

You don't think it's "fascist" for the government to tell someone how much they're allowed to charge?

No, that was not the cause of the crash. It was far more complicated than that. Since it's my profession, I've been studying it carefully for years.

The Meltdown, explained

I think the term "fascist" is counter-productive hyperbole. And I pointed out that the key is equilibrium, so yes, it's possible to go too far.
.

 

[K9Buck]

Reminder, this is the "Clean Debate Zone".
True. Fascism permits private ownership, but not necessarily private management.

False. This is one of the long-lasting after-effects of Reagan's "government is the problem" speech line. Many on the Right have been fooled into believing that regulation is a cancer on capitalism, when in fact, careful regulation is a critical component of capitalism.

As with most things, it's a matter of equilibrium - making regulation as efficient and effective as possible to protect markets & participants, while not placing so many draconian and redundant controls on business that the dynamics of capitalism are snuffed out.

We saw in 2008 what happens when we under-regulate financial markets. Alan Greenspan refused to regulate derivatives, and later admitted that he screwed up. His whole "markets are self-correcting" fantasy was shoved right down his throat by reality.

This weird, neo-psuedo libertarianism consuming the Right is interesting, but it's not reality.
.

The 2008 crash was a result of government getting into the home-finance business just like government being in the student-loan business has caused tuition to rise.

You don't think it's "fascist" for the government to tell someone how much they're allowed to charge?

No, that was not the cause of the crash. It was far more complicated than that. Since it's my profession, I've been studying it carefully for years.

The Meltdown, explained

I think the term "fascist" is counter-productive hyperbole. And I pointed out that the key is equilibrium, so yes, it's possible to go too far.
.

Hyperbole? One who practices fascism is a fascist, right?

Fascism, like communism and socialism, reject free-market capitalism, correct?

 

[Mac1958]

Reminder, this is the "Clean Debate Zone".
True. Fascism permits private ownership, but not necessarily private management.

False. This is one of the long-lasting after-effects of Reagan's "government is the problem" speech line. Many on the Right have been fooled into believing that regulation is a cancer on capitalism, when in fact, careful regulation is a critical component of capitalism.

As with most things, it's a matter of equilibrium - making regulation as efficient and effective as possible to protect markets & participants, while not placing so many draconian and redundant controls on business that the dynamics of capitalism are snuffed out.

We saw in 2008 what happens when we under-regulate financial markets. Alan Greenspan refused to regulate derivatives, and later admitted that he screwed up. His whole "markets are self-correcting" fantasy was shoved right down his throat by reality.

This weird, neo-psuedo libertarianism consuming the Right is interesting, but it's not reality.
.

The 2008 crash was a result of government getting into the home-finance business just like government being in the student-loan business has caused tuition to rise.

You don't think it's "fascist" for the government to tell someone how much they're allowed to charge?

No, that was not the cause of the crash. It was far more complicated than that. Since it's my profession, I've been studying it carefully for years.

The Meltdown, explained

I think the term "fascist" is counter-productive hyperbole. And I pointed out that the key is equilibrium, so yes, it's possible to go too far.
.

Hyperbole? One who practices fascism is a fascist, right?

Fascism, like communism and socialism, reject free-market capitalism, correct?

Correct for you, since you want to be in charge of definitions.

Any system will include elements of other systems. That doesn't make them that system.

Hitler drank water. You drink water. You are not Hitler.
.

 

[K9Buck]

Reminder, this is the "Clean Debate Zone".
True. Fascism permits private ownership, but not necessarily private management.

False. This is one of the long-lasting after-effects of Reagan's "government is the problem" speech line. Many on the Right have been fooled into believing that regulation is a cancer on capitalism, when in fact, careful regulation is a critical component of capitalism.

As with most things, it's a matter of equilibrium - making regulation as efficient and effective as possible to protect markets & participants, while not placing so many draconian and redundant controls on business that the dynamics of capitalism are snuffed out.

We saw in 2008 what happens when we under-regulate financial markets. Alan Greenspan refused to regulate derivatives, and later admitted that he screwed up. His whole "markets are self-correcting" fantasy was shoved right down his throat by reality.

This weird, neo-psuedo libertarianism consuming the Right is interesting, but it's not reality.
.

The 2008 crash was a result of government getting into the home-finance business just like government being in the student-loan business has caused tuition to rise.

You don't think it's "fascist" for the government to tell someone how much they're allowed to charge?

No, that was not the cause of the crash. It was far more complicated than that. Since it's my profession, I've been studying it carefully for years.

The Meltdown, explained

I think the term "fascist" is counter-productive hyperbole. And I pointed out that the key is equilibrium, so yes, it's possible to go too far.
.

Hyperbole? One who practices fascism is a fascist, right?

Fascism, like communism and socialism, reject free-market capitalism, correct?

Correct for you, since you want to be in charge of definitions.

Any system will include elements of other systems. That doesn't make them that system.

Hitler drank water. You drink water. You are not Hitler.
.

Why are you getting emotional?

Fascism is a system of governance and economics that became quite in vogue nearly a century ago. I think it's important to understand these failed systems so that we can avoid replicating their policies.

 

[Mac1958]

False. This is one of the long-lasting after-effects of Reagan's "government is the problem" speech line. Many on the Right have been fooled into believing that regulation is a cancer on capitalism, when in fact, careful regulation is a critical component of capitalism.

As with most things, it's a matter of equilibrium - making regulation as efficient and effective as possible to protect markets & participants, while not placing so many draconian and redundant controls on business that the dynamics of capitalism are snuffed out.

We saw in 2008 what happens when we under-regulate financial markets. Alan Greenspan refused to regulate derivatives, and later admitted that he screwed up. His whole "markets are self-correcting" fantasy was shoved right down his throat by reality.

This weird, neo-psuedo libertarianism consuming the Right is interesting, but it's not reality.
.

The 2008 crash was a result of government getting into the home-finance business just like government being in the student-loan business has caused tuition to rise.

You don't think it's "fascist" for the government to tell someone how much they're allowed to charge?

No, that was not the cause of the crash. It was far more complicated than that. Since it's my profession, I've been studying it carefully for years.

The Meltdown, explained

I think the term "fascist" is counter-productive hyperbole. And I pointed out that the key is equilibrium, so yes, it's possible to go too far.
.

Hyperbole? One who practices fascism is a fascist, right?

Fascism, like communism and socialism, reject free-market capitalism, correct?

Correct for you, since you want to be in charge of definitions.

Any system will include elements of other systems. That doesn't make them that system.

Hitler drank water. You drink water. You are not Hitler.
.

Why are you getting emotional?

Fascism is a system of governance and economics that became quite in vogue nearly a century ago. I think it's important to understand these failed systems so that we can avoid replicating their policies.

Okay, well, you stand watch.
.

 

[K9Buck]

The 2008 crash was a result of government getting into the home-finance business just like government being in the student-loan business has caused tuition to rise.

You don't think it's "fascist" for the government to tell someone how much they're allowed to charge?

No, that was not the cause of the crash. It was far more complicated than that. Since it's my profession, I've been studying it carefully for years.

The Meltdown, explained

I think the term "fascist" is counter-productive hyperbole. And I pointed out that the key is equilibrium, so yes, it's possible to go too far.
.

Hyperbole? One who practices fascism is a fascist, right?

Fascism, like communism and socialism, reject free-market capitalism, correct?

Correct for you, since you want to be in charge of definitions.

Any system will include elements of other systems. That doesn't make them that system.

Hitler drank water. You drink water. You are not Hitler.
.

Why are you getting emotional?

Fascism is a system of governance and economics that became quite in vogue nearly a century ago. I think it's important to understand these failed systems so that we can avoid replicating their policies.

Okay, well, you stand watch.
.

You sound hurt.

 

[sparky]

Many on the Right have been fooled into believing that regulation is a cancer on capitalism, when in fact, careful regulation is a critical component of capitalism.

I couldn't agree more Mac

Gub'Mit's role is to create a level playing field for prosperity.....

The extremes of regulation stifle biz, where the other extreme of a free market assumes a 'race to the bottom'

~S~

 

[Mac1958]

Many on the Right have been fooled into believing that regulation is a cancer on capitalism, when in fact, careful regulation is a critical component of capitalism.

I couldn't agree more Mac

Gub'Mit's role is to create a level playing field for prosperity.....

The extremes of regulation stifle biz, where the other extreme of a free market assumes a 'race to the bottom'

~S~

We should have learned this from the Meltdown, but there are those who are ideologically prohibited from understanding what happened.
.

 

[sparky]

Many on the Right have been fooled into believing that regulation is a cancer on capitalism, when in fact, careful regulation is a critical component of capitalism.

I couldn't agree more Mac

Gub'Mit's role is to create a level playing field for prosperity.....

The extremes of regulation stifle biz, where the other extreme of a free market assumes a 'race to the bottom'

~S~

We should have learned this from the Meltdown, but there are those who are ideologically prohibited from understanding what happened.
.

Some come by it honestly Mac

Watching the perps man the post-meltdown banking commission whitewashing of the entire fiscal debauchery led them to blame their fellow Americans

~S~

 

[Bleipriester]

But rent control is not a standard.

I'm sorry. I don't follow.

It means you have very few places where rent control is actually active.

 

[K9Buck]

But rent control is not a standard.

I'm sorry. I don't follow.

It means you have very few places where rent control is actually active.

Yes. Thanks.

 

[Coyote]

Depends on what is being dictated. There are certain rules that are the responsibility of the government to dictate to all . Just because it is a private organization doesn't mean their building doesn't have to meet fire code. What specifically are you referring to?

How about telling a business how much they're allowed to charge?

Isn’t that what anti trust laws do?

I don't know. Example?

United States antitrust law - Wikipedia
Some practices are deemed by the courts to be so obviously detrimental that they are categorized as being automatically unlawful, or illegal per se. The simplest and central case of this is price fixing. This involves an agreement by businesses to set the price or consideration of a good or service which they buy or sell from others at a specific level. If the agreement is durable, the general term for these businesses is a cartel. It is irrelevant whether or not the businesses succeed in increasing their profits, or whether together they reach the level of having market power as might a monopoly.

 

[alang1216]

Reminder, this is the "Clean Debate Zone".

True. Fascism permits private ownership, but not necessarily private management.

False.

Life is compromise and this issue is no different. Gov't dictates to everyone, private citizens or private organizations. Those dictates should ensure that citizens and organizations operate in the public interest. The KKK is a private organization that does not operate in the public interest and should be closely regulated. Churches are private organization that do operate in the public interest and should be loosely regulated. Same goes for private citizens.

 

[K9Buck]

Those dictates should ensure that citizens and organizations operate in the public interest.

This is textbook fascism.

Why do you believe that organizations and citizens are obligated to "operate in the public interest"?

 

[progressive hunter]

how would you know if they are happy???
Because I am a human. Don´t fool yourself.

I saw a documentation about this in India and it is the hell.

I have seldom been happy at work..

At least you can buy stuff, get to a warm bed and won´t get raped after a 7 or 8 hours workday. Extravagances that Sumangali girls can´t afford.

thanks for your opinion,,,

I would love to have a 7-8 hr work day

So what´s your workingday? 12 hours?

at best,,,

Poor man. You should look for a better job, I guess.

why are you changing the subject???
OH I know ,because it shows that your concerns are nothing but rantings of a socialist,,,

 

[progressive hunter]

Depends on what is being dictated. There are certain rules that are the responsibility of the government to dictate to all . Just because it is a private organization doesn't mean their building doesn't have to meet fire code. What specifically are you referring to?

How about telling a business how much they're allowed to charge?

Depends. Neither dumping nor usury should be allowed.

those are crimes and covered by the courts,,,

And the courts are part of the government.

so are you and me,,
whats your point??