Zone1 Trivial Question for Mass-going Catholics

[DGS49]

When I was growing up Catholic, there was a "formula" for ending the Mass. The Priest said, "The Mass is ended; go in peace*." The congregation responded, "Thanks be to God!" Or as my sainted father used to put it, The Mass is ended...thank God!"

I think they are still supposed to end the Mass this way, but there seems to be a feeling amongst the clergy that this is a little bit too formulaic or too...something. I don't know what. They NEVER end the Mass this way any more. This morning the priest, after fifteen minutes of "announcements," just said, "It's over, you can go home now."

That was an extreme example, but you wouldn't believe the stupid shit they say when ending the Mass these days. "Go out and be a blessing to the world," and similar nonsense. It's like they are in a contest to see what ridiculous formulation they can come up with, to substitute for the "old fashioned" way they used to end the Mass

It's a petty thing, but it bugs me. It's not as bad as changing random words in hymns that "we" all grew up singing at Mass, based on somebody's belief that these new words are somehow better than the ones that THE CONGREGATION ALL KNOWS(!). That absolutely drives me crazy. I spent ten years in church choirs and I know most of the words by heart, but I can't just sing them because of the silly little changes that the genius-saints have made. [Actually, I sing the correct words, in spite of them].

I've been saying for years that I'm going to convert to a church that doesn't have kneelers, but at 75, I probably won't.
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* In fact, in my early years it was said in Latin, "Ite Missa est...Deo Gracias!"

 

[rightwinger]

Go out and be a blessing to the world," and similar nonsense.

Seems like a pleasant thought
Better than “Go in Peace”

 

[Meriweather]

When I was growing up Catholic, there was a "formula" for ending the Mass. The Priest said, "The Mass is ended; go in peace*." The congregation responded, "Thanks be to God!" Or as my sainted father used to put it, The Mass is ended...thank God!"

I think they are still supposed to end the Mass this way, but there seems to be a feeling amongst the clergy that this is a little bit too formulaic or too...something. I don't know what. They NEVER end the Mass this way any more. This morning the priest, after fifteen minutes of "announcements," just said, "It's over, you can go home now."

That was an extreme example, but you wouldn't believe the stupid shit they say when ending the Mass these days. "Go out and be a blessing to the world," and similar nonsense. It's like they are in a contest to see what ridiculous formulation they can come up with, to substitute for the "old fashioned" way they used to end the Mass

It's a petty thing, but it bugs me. It's not as bad as changing random words in hymns that "we" all grew up singing at Mass, based on somebody's belief that these new words are somehow better than the ones that THE CONGREGATION ALL KNOWS(!). That absolutely drives me crazy. I spent ten years in church choirs and I know most of the words by heart, but I can't just sing them because of the silly little changes that the genius-saints have made. [Actually, I sing the correct words, in spite of them].

I've been saying for years that I'm going to convert to a church that doesn't have kneelers, but at 75, I probably won't.

I haven't ever heard some of the conclusions you have heard. The most common addition I've heard (usually from deacons) is, "Go in peace to love and serve the Lord by how you live your lives."

As a young Catholic school kid, the nuns explained our response at the end of Mass "Thanks be to God" was not a prayer of relief that Mass was (finally) over. We were leaving Mass with Christ's peace that we were now to take out into the world. We were thanking God for bestowing the peace of Christ upon us."

Here is another change that, to me, is not so much annoying, but has me sighing. As a Catholic school student, we went over every word, every movement, every color, every symbol of the Mass. Early on, the priest would walk onto the altar, and a little behind him, perhaps beside him, were altar servers with lighted candles. We were taught that the priest, representing Christ, was leading all of us, the congregation, into the presence of God. Now, here come the altar servers, then the readers, then those who assist with distributing communion...a whole parade walks to the altar and--at the very end--is the priest. Back then, the priest gave us the final blessing and led us back out into the world. Now...the priest is at the end of the "parade".

 

[rightwinger]

Catholics should play this

 

[Hellokitty]

When I was growing up Catholic, there was a "formula" for ending the Mass. The Priest said, "The Mass is ended; go in peace*." The congregation responded, "Thanks be to God!" Or as my sainted father used to put it, The Mass is ended...thank God!"

I think they are still supposed to end the Mass this way, but there seems to be a feeling amongst the clergy that this is a little bit too formulaic or too...something. I don't know what. They NEVER end the Mass this way any more. This morning the priest, after fifteen minutes of "announcements," just said, "It's over, you can go home now."

That was an extreme example, but you wouldn't believe the stupid shit they say when ending the Mass these days. "Go out and be a blessing to the world," and similar nonsense. It's like they are in a contest to see what ridiculous formulation they can come up with, to substitute for the "old fashioned" way they used to end the Mass

It's a petty thing, but it bugs me. It's not as bad as changing random words in hymns that "we" all grew up singing at Mass, based on somebody's belief that these new words are somehow better than the ones that THE CONGREGATION ALL KNOWS(!). That absolutely drives me crazy. I spent ten years in church choirs and I know most of the words by heart, but I can't just sing them because of the silly little changes that the genius-saints have made. [Actually, I sing the correct words, in spite of them].

I've been saying for years that I'm going to convert to a church that doesn't have kneelers, but at 75, I probably won't.
______________________
* In fact, in my early years it was said in Latin, "Ite Missa est...Deo Gracias!"

It all started with the hand holding during the Our Father...

 

[forkintheroad7]

When I was growing up Catholic, there was a "formula" for ending the Mass. The Priest said, "The Mass is ended; go in peace*." The congregation responded, "Thanks be to God!" Or as my sainted father used to put it, The Mass is ended...thank God!"

I think they are still supposed to end the Mass this way, but there seems to be a feeling amongst the clergy that this is a little bit too formulaic or too...something. I don't know what. They NEVER end the Mass this way any more. This morning the priest, after fifteen minutes of "announcements," just said, "It's over, you can go home now."

That was an extreme example, but you wouldn't believe the stupid shit they say when ending the Mass these days. "Go out and be a blessing to the world," and similar nonsense. It's like they are in a contest to see what ridiculous formulation they can come up with, to substitute for the "old fashioned" way they used to end the Mass

It's a petty thing, but it bugs me. It's not as bad as changing random words in hymns that "we" all grew up singing at Mass, based on somebody's belief that these new words are somehow better than the ones that THE CONGREGATION ALL KNOWS(!). That absolutely drives me crazy. I spent ten years in church choirs and I know most of the words by heart, but I can't just sing them because of the silly little changes that the genius-saints have made. [Actually, I sing the correct words, in spite of them].

I've been saying for years that I'm going to convert to a church that doesn't have kneelers, but at 75, I probably won't.
______________________
* In fact, in my early years it was said in Latin, "Ite Missa est...Deo Gracias!"

I have no idea what that last sentence means.. (??) seems a little contradictory to what went b4 it

But in any case, there have been all kinds of ridiculous changes due to V2, when the old ways were better. Archbishop Marcel Lefebvre broke with the Vatican "church" in the late 60s because of all the weird stuff going on-- things that were not only weird but anti-Catholic aka anti-Christian. I recommend reading a book about him that really impressed yours truly The Horn of the Unicorn
All Catholics should read this book. However, the Sedevacantists (not the SSPX which that great, aforementioned archbishop founded) are the ones who have the whole story on what has happened to our Church.. and the entire Catholic Faith.

 

[forkintheroad7]

I haven't ever heard some of the conclusions you have heard. The most common addition I've heard (usually from deacons) is, "Go in peace to love and serve the Lord by how you live your lives."

As a young Catholic school kid, the nuns explained our response at the end of Mass "Thanks be to God" was not a prayer of relief that Mass was (finally) over. We were leaving Mass with Christ's peace that we were now to take out into the world. We were thanking God for bestowing the peace of Christ upon us."

Here is another change that, to me, is not so much annoying, but has me sighing. As a Catholic school student, we went over every word, every movement, every color, every symbol of the Mass. Early on, the priest would walk onto the altar, and a little behind him, perhaps beside him, were altar servers with lighted candles. We were taught that the priest, representing Christ, was leading all of us, the congregation, into the presence of God. Now, here come the altar servers, then the readers, then those who assist with distributing communion...a whole parade walks to the altar and--at the very end--is the priest. Back then, the priest gave us the final blessing and led us back out into the world. Now...the priest is at the end of the "parade".

well, I don't think that's a huge thing except that the new clergy (different from the old days clergy) seem to think it is a good thing to downgrade the priesthood so it's seen by others as being equal to everyone else's station in life. That is not true, except that priests are sinners the same as we are.. The priesthood is.. well, the priesthood. Anyone who has read the Bible (I've read the entire thing, plus heard it over and over and over at Mass for years and years) knows that the priesthood was set apart as holy by God. Only the Levites (priests) could carry the holy ark of the Covenant, etc.. When someone other than a Levite (Uzzah?) once touched the Ark of the Covenant, he was struck dead.

 

[DGS49]

It all started with the hand holding during the Our Father...

That's a whole 'nother subject. The "hand-holding" was not actually started as hand-holding. People in the pews noticed that the PRIEST lifted his hands up to God when reciting the Lord's Prayer, so they thought they would do the same. Since "we" are often seated right next to one another, it seemed neighborly to lock our hands together as you describe.

But the Faithful ARE NOT SUPPOSED TO LIFT THEIR HANDS IN PRAYER - only the Priest is to do this. Look on the altar at the Deacons (if any) and servers. NONE OF THEM are lifting their hands because they are instructed not to do that. It's only the Priest.

And some Priests get irritated with this, but don't want to burst anyone's bubble, so they let it slide. It is stupid.

 

[forkintheroad7]

That's a whole 'nother subject. The "hand-holding" was not actually started as hand-holding. People in the pews noticed that the PRIEST lifted his hands up to God when reciting the Lord's Prayer, so they thought they would do the same. Since "we" are often seated right next to one another, it seemed neighborly to lock our hands together as you describe.

But the Faithful ARE NOT SUPPOSED TO LIFT THEIR HANDS IN PRAYER - only the Priest is to do this. Look on the altar at the Deacons (if any) and servers. NONE OF THEM are lifting their hands because they are instructed not to do that. It's only the Priest.

And some Priests get irritated with this, but don't want to burst anyone's bubble, so they let it slide. It is stupid.

I don't like ANY of the changes post V2.. The priest used to face the altar (meaning he faced GOD, not the people). We have to look @ human beings all week long.. Can't we have the focus on GOD alone one day of the week.. Then again, Catholics have Mass daily.. so yeh.. Well, anyhow.. I'm wondering if you have read the book The Horn of the Unicorn? It is about Archbishop Marcel Lefebvre who broke from the Vatican sect when it went loony tunes on us.. (my words). It's an excellent book. I hope I find it so I can read it again. I've gone through a lot of changes since I read it some 3 years ago.. would likely get way more out of it now.

 

[Blackrook]

Go to an Episcopalian Mass one time and you'll know the trivial changes the Catholic Church has made are nothing to complain about.