Zone1 Too much "truth" from a Rabbi?

[Hafar1014]

Yet to date there is precisely zero evidence of any of that.

In your tiny mind Iran has been very open about their goals but ots good to see youre fine with homicidal religious fanatics having weapons of mass destruction. That takes a special kind of stupidity.

 

[EMH]

youre fine with homicidal religious fanatics

Every Zionist fully qualifies as a "homicidal religious fanatic."

 

[DennisPTate]

What I've posted here for years, you have to have an IQ under 5 to be a "pro Israel Christian."

Do you believe that Messiah Yeshua - Jesus told the truth when he stated:

Then He said to them, “O foolish ones, and slow of heart to believe in all that the prophets have spoken! 26Ought not the Christ to have suffered these things and to enter into His glory?” 27And beginning at Moses and all the Prophets, He expounded to them in all the Scriptures the things concerning Himself.

Luke 24 | NKJV Bible | YouVersion

He Is RisenNow #Matt. 28:1–8; Mark 16:1–8; John 20:1–8on the first day of the week, very early in the morning, they, and certain other women with them, came to the tomb #Luke 23:56b

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In other words do you believe Isaiah chapter fifty three but then reject Zechariah chapter fourteen?

Will Ezekiel chapter forty seven literally and actually come to pass, or is the fulfillment of this chapter merely allegorical and symbolic?

The Healing Waters and Trees
1Then he brought me back to the door of the temple; and there was water, flowing from under the threshold of the temple toward the east, for the front of the temple faced east; the water was flowing from under the right side of the temple, south of the altar. 2He brought me out by way of the north gate, and led me around on the outside to the outer gateway that faces east; and there was water, running out on the right side.
3And when the man went out to the east with the line in his hand, he measured one thousand cubits, and he brought me through the waters; the water came up to my ankles. 4Again he measured one thousand and brought me through the waters; the water came up to my knees. Again he measured one thousand and brought me through; the water came up to my waist. 5Again he measured one thousand, and it was a river that I could not cross; for the water was too deep, water in which one must swim, a river that could not be crossed. 6He said to me, “Son of man, have you seen this?” Then he brought me and returned me to the bank of the river.
7When I returned, there, along the bank of the river, were very many trees on one side and the other. 8Then he said to me: “This water flows toward the eastern region, goes down into the valley, and enters the sea. When it reaches the sea, its waters are healed. 9And it shall be that every living thing that moves, wherever the rivers go, will live. There will be a very great multitude of fish, because these waters go there; for they will be healed, and everything will live wherever the river goes. 10It shall be that fishermen will stand by it from En Gedi to En Eglaim; they will be places for spreading their nets. Their fish will be of the same kinds as the fish of the Great Sea, exceedingly many. 11But its swamps and marshes will not be healed; they will be given over to salt. 12Along the bank of the river, on this side and that, will grow all kinds of trees used for food; their leaves will not wither, and their fruit will not fail. They will bear fruit every month, because their water flows from the sanctuary. Their fruit will be for food, and their leaves for medicine.”

Ezekiel 47 | NKJV Bible | YouVersion

The Healing Waters and TreesThen he brought me back to the door of the temple; and there was #Ps. 46:4; Is. 30:25; 55:1; (Jer. 2:13); Joel 3:18; Zech. 13:1; 14:8; (Rev. 22:1, 17)water, flowing from un

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As you may be able to guess....
I am actually "Messianic Jewish" and I believe that every word in the Law and in the Prophets will come to pass, but not necessarily in the manner that professional Christian Theologians have explained.

Yes, deeply religious Jews are missing an important piece of the BigPicturePuzzle as well, [all of this could be termed a Genius Master Plan], and all of us will find out that we all have some pretty serious misunderstandings of what is being worked out here under the sun.

When Jews can visualize Messiah Yeshua - Jesus as "Moshiach ben David - Messiah the Passover Lamb" who has set up a modern "Yom Kippur Event" then the whole confusing Genius Master Plan will begin to make sense to us, [no matter whether we have a Christian background or a Jewish upbringing]?

Zone1 Thread 'The Antichrist expected by many Christians Vs THE CYRUS that is expected by Jews?'

Mar 20, 2026

I have found an article that does a great job of explaining about the Christian expectations about The Antichrist and what Christians tend to believe will work out in the future? These Christian beliefs about future events, are vastly different from what Jewish thinkers predict will happen.

For example Christians expect the Antichrist guy to BUILD a Jewish Temple for the Jews BUT I believe that we Messianic Jews and Christians tend to be incorrect about this because what the Antichrist person specifically does is GO INTO THE JEWISH TEMPLE AND PROCLAIM THAT HE, A MERE HUMAN, IS MESSIAH...

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With all of this in mind....
you may better understand the alternative theory on stabilization of the climate that I have been promoting, especially since 2007.

Thread 'Turn deserts green as alternative theory on stabilization of the climate?'

Nov 8, 2025

My online friend Carl Cantrell has an alternative theory on stabilization of the climate that struck me as being exceptionally insightful and because it sounds a lot like statements in Isaiah chapter thirty five this is potentially not as divisive as the Al Gore, Carbon Tax Theory that practically put America into something of an intellectual Civil War.

We know that astonishingly good technology now exists to desalinate sea water on a massive scale. Obviously every cubic meter of sea water that is desalinated and ends up replenishing a depleted underground aquifer in a nation that has...

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[BackAgain]

What I've posted here for years, you have to have an IQ under 5 to be a "pro Israel Christian."

You have to be a scumbag to hate Jews and Israel so much.

GFY

 

[Churchill]

The US opposes Irans Nuclear program and goal to dominate the Middle East. That means we support Israel. If you oppose this you support a nuke exploding in Wash DC

Why does your ilk pretend to be upstanding American patriots when almost every post drips with an irrtaional devotion to the state of Israel?

 

[EMH]

I am actually "Messianic Jewish"

Nothing wrong with that. I am for religion when it teaches values and social skills to the young. I am against religion when it pushes America into wars we have no stake in at all.


Ever heard of Uzi Aharon?

Heretical Librarian: Bible Burning in Israel

hereticallibrarian.blogspot.com

 

[DennisPTate]

Nothing wrong with that. I am for religion when it teaches values and social skills to the young. I am against religion when it pushes America into wars we have no stake in at all.


Ever heard of Uzi Aharon?

Heretical Librarian: Bible Burning in Israel

hereticallibrarian.blogspot.com

Not only have I not heard about Uzi Aharon yet it is even challenging to search for on Google. I guess I had better take a look at the link that you gave?

Aha yes......
he is on essentially the same page as Rabbi Akiva was before and during The Bar Kochba Revolt.

In mid-May, Uzi Aharon, the deputy mayor of an Israeli town called Or Yehuda, found out that "messianic Jews" (Jews who believe in Jesus) had dropped off some New Testaments in his community. His response was to organize a group of yeshiva students who collected several hundred of the books and burned them in a public bonfire.

In an interview with the Jerusalem Post, Aharon denied wanting the bibles to be burned. However, the Post noted that his story changed quite dramatically over the course of May 20, the day that news of the book burning became public:

Aharon had a very busy Tuesday. In the morning, Ma'ariv ran a story on how he organized to retrieve and burn hundreds of New Testaments given to Ethiopian Jews in his city by local messianic Jews. By 9 a.m. he was on an Army Radio news-talk show defending his actions, which he called "purging the evil among us."

At 10:30 he was on Channel 2's morning news show saying that Ethiopian immigrants in Or Yehuda were being encouraged to go against Judaism by messianic Jews. "We need to stop being ashamed of our Jewishness and to fight those who are breaking the law by missionizing against us," he said.

But by the early afternoon he had already been interviewed by Russian, Italian and French TV, explaining to their highly offended audiences back home how he had not meant for the Bibles to be burned, and trying to undo the damage caused by the news [and photographs] of Jews burning New Testaments.

But then he also told The Associated Press that he didn't condemn the Bible burning, calling it a "commandment."

Heretical Librarian: Bible Burning in Israel

hereticallibrarian.blogspot.com

Rabbi Akiva led his students and disciples into a very difficult next two millennia......
Perpetuating a massive Wrap Up Smear campaign can terribly backfire.

Thread 'Were the four hundred thousand Messianic Jews of the Bar Kochba Revolt grandparents to Palestinians?'

Nov 8, 2025

Messianic Jewish author Sid Roth gives the statistic of 400,000 for the number of Messianic Jews, [followers of Rabbi Yeshua - Jesus], living in the Roman Province of Judaea at the time of the Bar Kochba Revolt.

If Sid Roth's statistic is correct could the Palestinians of this last century be largely descended from the first century followers of Rabbi Yeshua - Jesus who DID NOT join in the Bar Kochba Revolt and thus were allowed to stay in Roman Judaea and grow olive oil and grain and wine and pay taxes to Rome?

[Sid Roth] :
The first Church was Jewish. If a Gentile wanted to...

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[EMH]

Not only have I not heard about Uzi Aharon yet it is even challenging to search for on Google. I guess I had better take a look at the link that you gave?

Certain things get censored. Google is the worst at it.

Duckduckgo

search for

Israel Bible Burning Uzi



If you don't like the religious handout, give it back, don't publicly burn it.... There are people in the South who push Christianity, and sometimes people like me are better off saying "yes I'm Christian" just to end the encounter. Some are loud, even threatening. I don't think that is "Christian behavior."

 

[DennisPTate]

Certain things get censored. Google is the worst at it.

Duckduckgo

search for

Israel Bible Burning Uzi



If you don't like the religious handout, give it back, don't publicly burn it.... There are people in the South who push Christianity, and sometimes people like me are better off saying "yes I'm Christian" just to end the encounter. Some are loud, even threatening. I don't think that is "Christian behavior."

By the time that I was eight or nine years of age I was an Atheist due to a Billy Graham hellfire and brimstone sermon, [combined with the fact that if Dr. Billy was entirely correct my family was in big trouble]?

 

[EMH]

By the time that I was eight or nine years of age I was an Atheist due to a Billy Graham hellfire and brimstone sermon, [combined with the fact that if Dr. Billy was entirely correct my family was in big trouble]?

Not a big fan of Billy, but he's dead so I'll end it there.

 

[DennisPTate]

Not a big fan of Billy, but he's dead so I'll end it there.

As of a decade or two ago I can now go into detail on questions where I think that Dr. Billy Graham was closer to the truth on many big questions, than I had been, [until after I studied NDE accounts for a decade or two].

As Dr. Billy Graham got older he did indeed get wiser and less dogmatic in his thinking. Having good questions that we cannot fully answer is a sign of growth, [in my opinion anyway].

Billy Graham often preached that the love of God is wider, deeper, and bigger than human comprehension, defining it as an infinite, unconditional, and sacrificial force that transcends human sin and failings. He emphasized that this love is not based on human merit but on God's nature, often describing it as "everlasting" and "unchanging"

Key Aspects of God’s Love in Graham's Teaching:

• Wider and More Inclusive: Graham taught that God's love extends to everyone, regardless of their past actions, racial background, language, or sins.
• Bigger Than Sin: He insisted that no one is beyond the reach of God's love, framing it as stronger than the world's troubles and capable of transforming even the most rebellious hearts.
• The Cross as Ultimate Proof: The central illustration of this "wider" love, according to Graham, is the sacrifice of Jesus Christ on the cross, representing the ultimate reconciliation between God and humanity.

 

[EMH]

As of a decade or two ago I can now go into detail on questions where I think that Dr. Billy Graham was closer to the truth on many big questions, than I had been, [until after I studied NDE accounts for a decade or two].

As Dr. Billy Graham got older he did indeed get wiser and less dogmatic in his thinking. Having good questions that we cannot fully answer is a sign of growth, [in my opinion anyway].

All of the "TV Christian preachers" are really Jews. Billy Graham was no exception. Billy Graham loved W. His son is no different. He was on TV to "convert" as many Christians into "Pro Israel Christians" as he could. He was funded by Jews. Jews made the decision to televise him (and O'Steen and Hagee and all the rest). Billy Graham got TV for being Pro Israel, and Charlie Kirk got offed for "leaving the Pro Israel cause."

Billy Graham was a big F-ing liar about 911

Billy Graham's 9/11 Message From Washington National Cathedral

His remarks on September 14, 2001, brought hope and healing to a shocked nation. They still hold power today.

billygraham.org

His son is a big F-ing liar about 107

Standing on God’s Promises to Israel

God has never forsaken His promises to the people of Israel and He never will.

billygraham.org

 

[DennisPTate]

All of the "TV Christian preachers" are really Jews. Billy Graham was no exception. Billy Graham loved W. His son is no different. He was on TV to "convert" as many Christians into "Pro Israel Christians" as he could. He was funded by Jews. Jews made the decision to televise him (and O'Steen and Hagee and all the rest). Billy Graham got TV for being Pro Israel, and Charlie Kirk got offed for "leaving the Pro Israel cause."

Billy Graham was a big F-ing liar about 911

Billy Graham's 9/11 Message From Washington National Cathedral

His remarks on September 14, 2001, brought hope and healing to a shocked nation. They still hold power today.

billygraham.org

His son is a big F-ing liar about 107

Standing on God’s Promises to Israel

God has never forsaken His promises to the people of Israel and He never will.

billygraham.org

But will every word in Ezekiel chapters forty to forty eight come to pass, or not?

I believe that they will and the allegorical or higher level meaning behind the literal events of Ezekiel will be astonishing, that is for sure.

http://godspeaceplan.org/books-download-page/

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God's Peace Plan

for the Holy Land

A Peace Plan for Israel/Palestine

conforming to guidelines from the Bible and Qur’an
presented by


Robert Leon Mendelson

Copyright December 2010.

......
Preface



“God’s Peace for the Holy Land*”? Isn’t that a presumptuous title? Please allow

me to explain. First, since the sacred books of Judaism, Christianity and Islam

provide the guidelines supporting this solution, and since I wasn’t the one who

wrote them, calling them “God’s” seems fair. That’s why the words “presented by”

precede my name on the title page. Second, this book in no way proselytizes or

puts one religion above another. Nor does it openly or subtly encourage anyone to

convert to anything. What it does is take into account something without which

attaining peace in the Holy Land (Israel/Palestine) will forever be unattainable.

That “something” is the sacred messages delivered to each of the peoples involved

in the dispute. In this case, referencing the sacred books is more than some dry,

scholarly exercise or even a gesture of courtesy. Without taking the sacred books

into account, peace in the Holy Land will be near, if not completely, impossible.


What it boils down to is this: there are two groups of people, Palestinians and

Ashkenazi Jews (a.k.a. “Khazars”/“Eastern European Jews”) living in the Holy Land

and who appear to be genetically unrelated. In general, the belief systems

(religions) of both groups seem to direct them to subjugate and/or expel the other

group based on their being alien interlopers. Since millions of participants believe

this, and because their beliefs lead to acts of violence, finding a solution that

permits peace requires referencing their sacred literature.



Some may say the conflict has nothing to do with religion, but if this were so,

Jews wouldn’t claim “God gave us this land”. There’d be no point in doing so if it

had no importance to people. And Iran, a Persian nation, would have little interest

in a conflict concerning Semitic peoples several hundred miles away. It’s the

religious connection that brings Muslims of diverse backgrounds together in

support of Palestinians. Nor would millions of American Christians support Israel

without that support based on how they’re taught to read their Bibles." (Robert Mendelson)

Robert Mendelson had a near death experience, [or something very much like an NDE back in 1992]. He was shown a way to bring Shalom to the Middle East? I believe that those literal waters coming from an Ezekiel Temple Complex are linked to an outpouring of living water, the Holy Spirit or Ruach ha Kodesh, on everybody living in the Middle East. After this then Shalom spreads to all the world.

Next, we come to Islam and most Palestinians.

Sura 29:46;

Dispute not…with people of the Book;

And say ye, "We believe in what hath been sent down to us [Qur’an]

and what hath been sent down to you. [Old & New Testaments]

Our God and your God is one,..."

Sura 2:136;

Say ye: "We believe in God,

and that which hath been sent down to us [Qur’an],

and that which hath been sent down to Abraham

and Ishmael and Isaac and Jacob and the tribes [Joshua],

and in that was given to Moses, and to Jesus,

and that which was given to the prophets, from their Lord.

No difference do we make between any of them."

There are many other instances in which Muhammad told his people that

the books of the Bible were confirmed. Again, one can argue theology, but

Muslims have a choice as to whether they wish to read the Qur’an for life or

for death. Making use of the Old Testament for a solution meant for the

members of both tribes currently in the Holy Land in no way places Muslims

in other lands under any constraints in their own land. The following passage

is quite specific regarding the value of the Old Testament—properly applied;


Sura 46:12;

But before the Koran was the Book of Moses, a rule and a mercy;

and this Book confirmeth it (the Pentateuch)—in the Arabic tongue—

that those who are guilty of that wrong may be warned,

and as glad tidings to the doers of good."

“glad tidings” to “doers of good”. Muslims are supposed to be “doers of good”.

Using Old Testament Law for the descendents of those it was originally given to

in the same land in which it was originally received doesn’t violate shariah in the

least. Muhammad recited a verse including a reference to David (from the Bible)


Sura 6:85;

And we gave him Isaac and Jacob, and guided both aright;

and We had guided…among the descendants of Abraham, David …”

David said something pertinent to the situation:

Psalm 19:9-11, David;

9…The ordinances of the LORD are sure and altogether righteous.

10 They are more precious than gold, than much pure gold;

they are sweeter than honey, than honey from the comb.

11 By them is your servant warned;

in keeping them there is great reward.”

And last, an Old Testament prophecy of particular interest for Muslims

throughout the Middle East from Isaiah…

Isaiah 19:25;

The LORD Almighty will bless them, saying,

"Blessed be Egypt my people, Assyria [Iraq] my handiwork,

and Israel my inheritance."

There is value for all people to make use of this wonderful tool for peace.

Without it, well, the next two passages sum up what Muslims will do.

The first passage explains how the situation in the Holy Land is seen by

Muslims worldwide and how it effects their relations with America.


Sura 60:7-9;

7 God will, perhaps, establish good will between yourselves

and those of them whom ye take to be your enemies:

God is powerful: and God is gracious, merciful.

8 God doth not forbid you to deal with kindness and fairness

towards those who have not made war upon you on account of your religion,

or driven you forth from your homes:

for God loveth those who act with fairness.



9 Only doth God forbid you to make friends of those who,

on account of your religion,

have warred against you,

and have driven you forth from your homes,

and have aided [America & the West] those [Israel] whom drove you forth:

and whoever maketh friends of them are wrongdoers."

Palestinians weren’t allowed to return to their homes after the war in 1948.

Then, after the 1967 war, more Palestinians were displaced. The majority of

Palestinians are Muslims, and whether rightly or wrongly, injustices committed

by Israel against Palestinians are perceived as injustices against Muslims as a

religion. According to this belief, verse 9 forbids all Muslims from making peace

with either Israel or anyone who supports Israel until this issue is resolved.

To understand what this next one is saying, understand that when Jews follow

the Torah and Old Testament, they’re included as “faithful”, too.


Sura 49:9-10;

9 If two bodies of the faithful are at war,

then make ye peace between them;

and if one of them wrong the other,

fight against that party which doth the wrong,

until they come back to the precepts of God;

if they come back, make peace between them with fairness,

and act impartially; God loveth those who act with impartiality.

10 Only the faithful [those who obey God's statutes] are brethren;

wherefore make peace between your brethren;

and fear God, that ye may obtain mercy."

The command to Muslims is for un-ending war until all parties abide by the

“precepts of God”. For Israelites, the precepts for sharing the land were placed

in the Old Testament. There was no need for covenants regarding land sharing

in the Holy Land to be duplicated in the Qur’an. Nor does referencing them in

any way make a Muslim disobedient to God. On the contrary—it enables them

to receive God’s mercy." (Robert Mendelson)

Thread 'God's Peace Plan for the Holy Land by near death experiencer Robert Mendelson.'

Dec 23, 2025

God's Peace Plan for the Holy Land by near death experiencer Robert Mendelson has already been translated into both Arabic as well as Hebrew from the original English.

I have spoken to Robert by phone and he speaks and writes like somebody who has multiple doctoral degrees. For example he could debate History, Economics, Spirituality, Philosophy and the subject of bringing Shalom to the Middle East with doctoral level professionals in all of those fields.

http://godspeaceplan.org/books-download-page/

Book DownloadsGod's Peace Plan for the Holy Land and Others...

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[EMH]

But will every word in Ezekiel chapters forty to forty eight come to pass, or not?

I am an empirical person of science, not religious. I don't put a lot of credibility on Biblical predictions because I believe the word "soon" doesn't mean more than 2000 years from now. I grew up next to a wonderful Catholic family and they were the best neighbors. They focused on values. They never preached hate or bigotry. They were warm and welcoming towards everyone, religious or not, white or not. That is what I consider "true Christian values." Those spewing hate at Muslims and advocating war to help Israel re-conquer the Promised Land are 180 degrees the other way.

 

[The Irish Ram]

The Jews in Israel, hate Christians a little less than they do Muslims. What they hate is on them.
This is what we are required to do:

Genesis 12:3; 28:14 I will bless those who bless you, and whoever curses you I will curse; and all peoples on earth will be blessed through you.​

^
All the peoples, blessed by Jesus, a Jewish Rabbi.
Let Israel tend to Israel's heart, and let God see ours...

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[ding]

In your tiny mind Iran has been very open about their goals but ots good to see youre fine with homicidal religious fanatics having weapons of mass destruction. That takes a special kind of stupidity.

The US shouldn't be fighting Israel's war for them.

 

[rosends]

No words needed, it is a short video....

I see nothing wrong with that video. Many evangelical Christians (at least in the past) helped the Jewish-Zionist cause because they thought that it would bring the return of Jesus. If you think that that is wrong, then that's great. Meanwhile, what did he say that bothers you? That Christians are helping Jews in order to further the Christian theological understanding of Jesus' return?

 

[ding]

I see nothing wrong with that video. Many evangelical Christians (at least in the past) helped the Jewish-Zionist cause because they thought that it would bring the return of Jesus. If you think that that is wrong, then that's great. Meanwhile, what did he say that bothers you? That Christians are helping Jews in order to further the Christian theological understanding of Jesus' return?

I think it is an honest assessment. He's admitting Israel is manipulating Americans to fight their wars for them which makes him a credible witness.

 

[rosends]

I think it is an honest assessment. He's admitting Israel is manipulating Americans to fight their wars for them which makes him a credible witness.

where does he say that Israel is manipulating Americans? I watched it and he said that, if anything, Christian Zionists are manipulating Jews.

 

[ding]

where does he say that Israel is manipulating Americans? I watched it and he said that, if anything, Christian Zionists are manipulating Jews.

You don't think Israel is using that? I do. Americans are fighting YOUR war because of it. Be happy about it. Laugh at us. We deserve it. I'm laughing at us. It's comical.