Time To Stop Using Kid Gloves With The Obstinate "No To The Vaccine" Crowd!

[JoeBlow]

It is heartbreaking to hear about all those people in America intentionally choosing not to take the pandemic vaccine! They are really letting down America besides the loss of life the other really terrible thing about the pandemic is how it is hurting the economy and the functioning of our society the longer this disease has a stranglehold over America the longer the nation will continue to incur major losses with businesses not being able to function properly even in some cases being permanently shuttered and individual Americans having the ability to make a living for themselves and their family being dramatically harmed! The stakes here for the country are enormous and the nation is now in a state where the significant numbers of Americans refusing to get vaccinated so the country can reach strong herd immunity and be done with the onerous restrictions like mask wearing associated with the pandemic provides the nation's authorities with the moral justification to take very aggressive steps to bring about people doing their civic duty and getting vaccinated unless they have a valid medical reason not to! The government should mandate that health insurance companies calculate the enormous medical costs on them brought about by enrollees and their family being admitted into the hospital with the Covid 19 disease and who were not vaccinated and mandate that the insurance companies pass this cost onto unvaccinated enrollees in the form of higher health insurance premiums; what is fair is fair if you're being recalcitrant in not getting the vaccine you can pay for the cost that this wrongful action of yours is causing society - hospital administrators are telling us that like ninety plus percent of the admissions with Covid 19 are from people that were not vaccinated. States should mandate that for children to be able to attend school they need to receive the Covid 19 vaccine unless they have a Doctor's note saying that they have a good medical basis for being excused from getting the vaccine (for the age group eligible for the vaccine), state's mandate the measles's vaccine and the polio vaccine state's do it because they don't want these diseases spreading in schools well they shouldn't want the Covid 19 spreading in schools either so they should take this reasonable step to stop the spread!

What really gets me sick to my stomach is all these right wing talk radio hosts and right wing cable news hosts condemning state and federal authorities for initiating and running programs where they send staff to people's individual homes advocating for the residents of the home to get their pandemic vaccine. These hosts paint these efforts as something out of the George Orwell novel "1984" about a dark futuristic world where the government does constant surveillance of their citizens when they label these efforts as "Big Brother is watching you" efforts; or these hosts try to tarnish these efforts as HIPAA violations, the law which mandates personal health information be kept private! These hosts and the producers of these programs and the authorities that control these media outlets are behaving like sleazy, selfish Americans who chase ratings at the expense of the well-being of the entire country, shame on you and if you keep it up I hope the stain on your reputation lasts a long time!

It's not a vaccine, it's an experimental gene therapy.

 

[RodISHI]

"Bodily autonomy"? So you're pro choice then?

Pro-choice for what? If you are talking about abortion you are failing to recognize that the female who got pregnant already gave up her own body autonomy when she allowed a male to enter into to her (unless of course she was forced to do so); and you fail to allow for the rights to life for that baby human being's body growing inside of her.

 

[Crepitus]

The only facts I see are projections based on pure propaganda and the wishful musings of a blatant fascist talking about 'it's breakin muh heart' that we don't have corporations and governments getting together to override the electorate's right to choose whether or not to undergo intrusive medical procedures.

"Intrusive medical procedures"? Who's asking you to do that? We're just talking about a vaccine.

 

[Crepitus]

Pro-choice for what? If you are talking about abortion you are failing to recognize that the female who got pregnant already gave up her own body autonomy when she allowed a male to enter into to her (unless of course she was forced to do so); and you fail to allow for the rights of that baby human beings body growing inside of her.

Oh, so "qualified bodily autonomy"?

Is that even a thing?

I think you're just another RWNJ hypocrite.

 

[Natural Citizen]

A lot of people incorrectly believed that Obamacare was a socialist endeavor, I'd add.

It wasn't, however.

It was patently fascist.

What we're seeing take place is effectively a second effort by these minions to normalize the notion of a fascist healthcare system.

 

[Natural Citizen]

"Intrusive medical procedures"? Who's asking you to do that?

What do you think a vaccine is?

It's an intrusive medical procedure.

We're just talking about a vaccine.

And therein lies the shortcoming so many of you have when it comes to discussing the issue in scope.

 

[Bob Blaylock]

they're willing to jeopardize and damage public health just to protect their sacred anti-government, anti-science narrative.

Is Bruce Jenner a man or a woman?

 

[Bob Blaylock]

Take your Fantasy bullshit elsewhere. This thread is about facts and reality.

 

[Natural Citizen]

It's like this.

By ceding the principle that Individuals have the right to make their own health care decisions, supporters of mandatory vaccines are opening the door for future infringements on the whole of health freedom. They're opening the door to infringments on all of our healthcare decisions.

The government lacks the authority to mandate personal healthcare decisions.

But it's a power that government has consistently strived to aquire, historically.

Government is force. Period. We want as little of it as possible. The Founders agreed. Heck, they set the standard as the primary basis for ''our Republic'' (ahem). "Strictly limited". Remember? Limited for liberty. Remember? Or have we yet to even learn the very history and purpose of the founding principles of our own naton as a collective?

By giving pharmaceutical companies, insurance companies, or any other company a captive market, at the barrel of a government gun, those mandates encourage those companies to use their political influence to further expand the amount of mandates to include all intrusive medical procedures, should they deem them profitable or beneficial to their bottom line, whatever that may be since business endeavors vary by industry. Big tech rings a bell here, particularly given the most recent revelations of government and fedbook taking contro lover and mediating modern forms of technological communication in synergy with regard to any dialogue germane the very topic at hand.

For the government's part in it, does anyone really believe that once government aquires that power to mandate one specific medical procedure that it will leave it at that? That it will limit itself to only mandating one certain medical procedure?

Pft. Get real.

They're gonna be dry banging you in both ends at the same time, giggling their rear ends off. High fiving each other and whatnot while the brown-shirts sit around slobbering all over themselves and jerkin off to it without even the slightest concern nor the fondest idea of the fact that they're turn is coming next. What the actual heck are people thinking?

And people know government lacks that authority. It's why they're promoting the fascist model.

Be careful what you wish for. Because you'll get it. Nice and hard, too. There's no doubt about it.

Historically speaking, people who participate in coercion tend to lack a fundamental understanding of their actual role in it. And possess absolutely no grasp whatsoever of the consequence.

Ask yourselves this one very important question. And think about it. Be honest with yourselves.

When in history has a 'limited' infringment by government stayed limited? Hm? When?

Thus far we've seen the right to assemble infringed, people arrested. We've seen government telling people what they can and can't to do in their own homes, arresting them, fining them. And that's just what I feel like typing at the moment. I could keep going. Try me...

 

[Oddball]

It is heartbreaking to hear about all those people in America intentionally choosing not to take the pandemic vaccine! They are really letting down America besides the loss of life the other really terrible thing about the pandemic is how it is hurting the economy and the functioning of our society the longer this disease has a stranglehold over America the longer the nation will continue to incur major losses with businesses not being able to function properly even in some cases being permanently shuttered and individual Americans having the ability to make a living for themselves and their family being dramatically harmed! The stakes here for the country are enormous and the nation is now in a state where the significant numbers of Americans refusing to get vaccinated so the country can reach strong herd immunity and be done with the onerous restrictions like mask wearing associated with the pandemic provides the nation's authorities with the moral justification to take very aggressive steps to bring about people doing their civic duty and getting vaccinated unless they have a valid medical reason not to! The government should mandate that health insurance companies calculate the enormous medical costs on them brought about by enrollees and their family being admitted into the hospital with the Covid 19 disease and who were not vaccinated and mandate that the insurance companies pass this cost onto unvaccinated enrollees in the form of higher health insurance premiums; what is fair is fair if you're being recalcitrant in not getting the vaccine you can pay for the cost that this wrongful action of yours is causing society - hospital administrators are telling us that like ninety plus percent of the admissions with Covid 19 are from people that were not vaccinated. States should mandate that for children to be able to attend school they need to receive the Covid 19 vaccine unless they have a Doctor's note saying that they have a good medical basis for being excused from getting the vaccine (for the age group eligible for the vaccine), state's mandate the measles's vaccine and the polio vaccine state's do it because they don't want these diseases spreading in schools well they shouldn't want the Covid 19 spreading in schools either so they should take this reasonable step to stop the spread!

What really gets me sick to my stomach is all these right wing talk radio hosts and right wing cable news hosts condemning state and federal authorities for initiating and running programs where they send staff to people's individual homes advocating for the residents of the home to get their pandemic vaccine. These hosts paint these efforts as something out of the George Orwell novel "1984" about a dark futuristic world where the government does constant surveillance of their citizens when they label these efforts as "Big Brother is watching you" efforts; or these hosts try to tarnish these efforts as HIPAA violations, the law which mandates personal health information be kept private! These hosts and the producers of these programs and the authorities that control these media outlets are behaving like sleazy, selfish Americans who chase ratings at the expense of the well-being of the entire country, shame on you and if you keep it up I hope the stain on your reputation lasts a long time!

**** you, fascist pig.

 

[RodISHI]

Oh, so "qualified bodily autonomy"?

Is that even a thing?

I think you're just another RWNJ hypocrite.

Why would I give a shit what you think when you don't give any consideration to a babe in the womb? Talk about a science denier you are the epitome of one.

 

[Darkwind]

Take your Fantasy bullshit elsewhere. This thread is about facts and reality.

yes, which is why it is no place for you conspiracy morons.

 

[Darkwind]

It's like this.

By ceding the principle that Individuals have the right to make their own health care decisions, supporters of mandatory vaccines are opening the door for future infringements on the whole of health freedom. They're opening the door to infringments on all of our healthcare decisions.

The government lacks the authority to mandate personal healthcare decisions.

But it's a power that government has consistently strived to aquire, historically.

Government is force. Period.

By giving pharmaceutical companies, insurance companies, or any other company a captive market at the barrel of a government gun, those mandates encourage those companies to use their political influence to further expand the amount of mandates to include all intrusive medical procedures, shoud they deem them profitable.

For the government's part in it, does anyone really believe that once government aquires that power to mandate one specific medical procedure that it will leave it at that? That it will limit itself to only mandating one certain medical procedure?

Pft.

Get real.

And people know government lacks that authority. It's why they're promoting the fascist model.

Be careful what you wish for. Because you'll get it. Nice and hard, too. There's no doubt about it.

Historically speaking, people who participate in coercion tend to lack a fundamental understanding of their actual role in it. And possess absolutely no grasp whatsoever of the consequence. Those who do understand have historically been outed and dealth with.

Ask yourselves this one very important question. And think about it. Be honest with yourselves.

When in history has a 'limited' infringment by government stayed limited? Hm? When?

Thus far we've seen the right to assemble infringed, people arrested. We've seen government telling people what they can and can't to do in their own homes ,arresting them, fining them. And that's just what I feel like typing at the moment. I could keep going. Try me...

They are opening the door to fear as a weapon, used by the government based upon the whiny cries of those who think their life should be free of any risk.

 

[WTF19]

It is heartbreaking to hear about all those people in America intentionally choosing not to take the pandemic vaccine! They are really letting down America besides the loss of life the other really terrible thing about the pandemic is how it is hurting the economy and the functioning of our society the longer this disease has a stranglehold over America the longer the nation will continue to incur major losses with businesses not being able to function properly even in some cases being permanently shuttered and individual Americans having the ability to make a living for themselves and their family being dramatically harmed! The stakes here for the country are enormous and the nation is now in a state where the significant numbers of Americans refusing to get vaccinated so the country can reach strong herd immunity and be done with the onerous restrictions like mask wearing associated with the pandemic provides the nation's authorities with the moral justification to take very aggressive steps to bring about people doing their civic duty and getting vaccinated unless they have a valid medical reason not to! The government should mandate that health insurance companies calculate the enormous medical costs on them brought about by enrollees and their family being admitted into the hospital with the Covid 19 disease and who were not vaccinated and mandate that the insurance companies pass this cost onto unvaccinated enrollees in the form of higher health insurance premiums; what is fair is fair if you're being recalcitrant in not getting the vaccine you can pay for the cost that this wrongful action of yours is causing society - hospital administrators are telling us that like ninety plus percent of the admissions with Covid 19 are from people that were not vaccinated. States should mandate that for children to be able to attend school they need to receive the Covid 19 vaccine unless they have a Doctor's note saying that they have a good medical basis for being excused from getting the vaccine (for the age group eligible for the vaccine), state's mandate the measles's vaccine and the polio vaccine state's do it because they don't want these diseases spreading in schools well they shouldn't want the Covid 19 spreading in schools either so they should take this reasonable step to stop the spread!

What really gets me sick to my stomach is all these right wing talk radio hosts and right wing cable news hosts condemning state and federal authorities for initiating and running programs where they send staff to people's individual homes advocating for the residents of the home to get their pandemic vaccine. These hosts paint these efforts as something out of the George Orwell novel "1984" about a dark futuristic world where the government does constant surveillance of their citizens when they label these efforts as "Big Brother is watching you" efforts; or these hosts try to tarnish these efforts as HIPAA violations, the law which mandates personal health information be kept private! These hosts and the producers of these programs and the authorities that control these media outlets are behaving like sleazy, selfish Americans who chase ratings at the expense of the well-being of the entire country, shame on you and if you keep it up I hope the stain on your reputation lasts a long time!

WAAAAA--WAAAAA--WAAAAAA
what gets true AMERICANS sick, is **** tards like you, not minding your own business....no-you have to be the center of attention--minding everybody's business, but your own...PATHETIC
are you so retarded that you think- FAKE-I's mask protocol works no longer, 6' spaces don't work anymore...YES you are
the point of the CHINESE FLU getting released was to inject the DEATH JAB into YOU....ask yourself why?

 

[petro]

The language of the OP and the rush of threads this week on forced vaccinations makes me even more wary.

 

[Crepitus]

What do you think a vaccine is?

It's an intrusive medical procedure.




And therein lies the shortcoming so many of you have when it comes to discussing the issue in scope.

A vaccine is a shot. A colonoscopy is an "intrusive medical procedure".

Derp

 

[JustAGuy1]

The language of the OP and the rush of threads this week on forced vaccinations makes me even more wary.

They will be calling for our heads soon.

 

[AzogtheDefiler]

It is heartbreaking to hear about all those people in America intentionally choosing not to take the pandemic vaccine! They are really letting down America besides the loss of life the other really terrible thing about the pandemic is how it is hurting the economy and the functioning of our society the longer this disease has a stranglehold over America the longer the nation will continue to incur major losses with businesses not being able to function properly even in some cases being permanently shuttered and individual Americans having the ability to make a living for themselves and their family being dramatically harmed! The stakes here for the country are enormous and the nation is now in a state where the significant numbers of Americans refusing to get vaccinated so the country can reach strong herd immunity and be done with the onerous restrictions like mask wearing associated with the pandemic provides the nation's authorities with the moral justification to take very aggressive steps to bring about people doing their civic duty and getting vaccinated unless they have a valid medical reason not to! The government should mandate that health insurance companies calculate the enormous medical costs on them brought about by enrollees and their family being admitted into the hospital with the Covid 19 disease and who were not vaccinated and mandate that the insurance companies pass this cost onto unvaccinated enrollees in the form of higher health insurance premiums; what is fair is fair if you're being recalcitrant in not getting the vaccine you can pay for the cost that this wrongful action of yours is causing society - hospital administrators are telling us that like ninety plus percent of the admissions with Covid 19 are from people that were not vaccinated. States should mandate that for children to be able to attend school they need to receive the Covid 19 vaccine unless they have a Doctor's note saying that they have a good medical basis for being excused from getting the vaccine (for the age group eligible for the vaccine), state's mandate the measles's vaccine and the polio vaccine state's do it because they don't want these diseases spreading in schools well they shouldn't want the Covid 19 spreading in schools either so they should take this reasonable step to stop the spread!

What really gets me sick to my stomach is all these right wing talk radio hosts and right wing cable news hosts condemning state and federal authorities for initiating and running programs where they send staff to people's individual homes advocating for the residents of the home to get their pandemic vaccine. These hosts paint these efforts as something out of the George Orwell novel "1984" about a dark futuristic world where the government does constant surveillance of their citizens when they label these efforts as "Big Brother is watching you" efforts; or these hosts try to tarnish these efforts as HIPAA violations, the law which mandates personal health information be kept private! These hosts and the producers of these programs and the authorities that control these media outlets are behaving like sleazy, selfish Americans who chase ratings at the expense of the well-being of the entire country, shame on you and if you keep it up I hope the stain on your reputation lasts a long time!

My issue is that people who had the virus and have natural immunity are lumped in with everyone else. It causes distrust.

 

[JustAGuy1]

A vaccine is a shot. A colonoscopy is an "intrusive medical procedure".

Derp

Stuff it liar.

in·tru·sive

causing disruption or annoyance through being unwelcome or uninvited.

 

[Crepitus]

Why would I give a shit what you think when you don't give any consideration to a babe in the womb? Talk about a science denier you are the epitome of one.

You going to help feed the kid when he/she is born? Education? Healthcare? Childcare? Anything?