Time to Get Out of Afghanistan

[random3434]

Haven't you heard?

The Pentagon announced TODAY the formation of a new 500-man elite fighting unit called the United States Redneck Special Forces (USRSF)
These boys will be dropped off in Afghanistan and have been given only the following facts about terrorists :

1. The season opened today.
2. There is no limit.
3. They taste just like chicken.
4. They don't like beer, pickups, country music or Jesus.
5. They are directly responsible for the death of Dale Earnhardt.
6. They think Daisy Duke is a slut.

So, the problem in Afghanistan should be over by Friday!

LOL! You forgot to add, 7. They love President Obama!

 

[Bootneck]

Haven't you heard?

The Pentagon announced TODAY the formation of a new 500-man elite fighting unit called the United States Redneck Special Forces (USRSF)
These boys will be dropped off in Afghanistan and have been given only the following facts about terrorists :

1. The season opened today.
2. There is no limit.
3. They taste just like chicken.
4. They don't like beer, pickups, country music or Jesus.
5. They are directly responsible for the death of Dale Earnhardt.
6. They think Daisy Duke is a slut.

So, the problem in Afghanistan should be over by Friday!

LOL! You forgot to add, 7. They love President Obama!

Who the fuck is he?

 

[random3434]

Haven't you heard?

The Pentagon announced TODAY the formation of a new 500-man elite fighting unit called the United States Redneck Special Forces (USRSF)
These boys will be dropped off in Afghanistan and have been given only the following facts about terrorists :

1. The season opened today.
2. There is no limit.
3. They taste just like chicken.
4. They don't like beer, pickups, country music or Jesus.
5. They are directly responsible for the death of Dale Earnhardt.
6. They think Daisy Duke is a slut.

So, the problem in Afghanistan should be over by Friday!

LOL! You forgot to add, 7. They love President Obama!

Who the fuck is he?

Someone who makes the loonie righties cry.

 

[Bootneck]

LOL! You forgot to add, 7. They love President Obama!

Who the fuck is he?

Someone who makes the loonie righties cry.

Oh. So he's not like Gordon Brown then? That arsehole makes everyone cry!

 

[obama2ndterm]

Gareth Porter, investigative historian and journalist, speaks to Paul Jay about the war in Afghanistan and Obama's recent appointment of Lt. Gen. Stanley McChrystal to replace General McKiernan as the US commander in Afghanistan. Porter says the McChrystal appointment won’t fulfill Obama’s supposed intention of investing in a civilian surge that will “win over the population,” through “services and political programs” because during his five year service in the Joint Special Operations Command and recently as the Director of the Joint Staff, McChrystal “has only been involved in targeted killings." Porter has also interviewed Graham Fuller, the CIA Station Chief in Kabul during US support for the Afghan Jihadi movement against the Soviet Union, and says that Fuller “now believes very strongly the United States has to get out. That there is no way the United States is going to be able to win, [because the US] has no understanding of the forces it has unleashed in Afghanistan.IT is time to come home We cannot win this battle. Do we want to be here fo 100years?!

 

[JW Frogen]

Get out and the battle will come back to us, just like the last time we ignored Afghanistan.

There is no head in a hole in the sand peace to be found here, that just will not happen.

Of course the war is winnable, indeed it is necessary we do not loose, by which I mean keeping the Taliban from controlling the country or being totally safe to export terror in large parts of the country.

This can be done two ways. A massive surge, clear and hold and attempt to build the democracy from Kabul outward, slowly giving Afghans the benefits of that and hoping the inter ethnic animosity (which is centuries old) will succumb to the lure of a better life, a long war with large cost but achievable with long term will power .

Or

Stop nation building, give Kabul financial support and arms, but also arm any other group who opposes the Taliban, including drug lords who know long term a Taliban victory would eliminate them, and use Special Forces and predator drones to relentlessly hunt the Taliban and Al Qaeda. Allow more violence but reduce our cost and keep the Taliban and Al Qaeda pinned down fighting a relentless war with a growing enemies list, this war we could fight for decades.

So the choice is between idealism or ruthless realism.

Surrender is not an option.

There will always be terrorism, true, but they do not have to control entire nations and plan major attacks at their leisure, nor does the Noam Chomsky theory that we we cause it hold.

It will come if we do nothing.

The Islamo Fascists have their own ideological motives that are not reactive, indeed the Taliban are proof of this. The US helped them (indirectly) against the Soviets (they did not exist as that group then, but the US help should not go unnoticed) and then left Afghanistan alone.

Still the Taliban harbored a terror attack on the US, because they have their own ideological motives.

Another example, one of Al Qaeda’s main grievances and the stated reason for the Bali attack (or in sympathy with it) was because Australia had reversed policy and allowed the Catholic population of East Timor decide their own future, let them leave Islamic domination.

So if you think we are the cause, you can only be correct in the one reason we are the cause, we will not submit to primitive Islamic domination.

That is a high price to pay for peace.

There is no way I am willing to pay it.

Send that defeatest bill back.

 

[The Rabbi]

Obama changed the fundamental nature of the war from an SF war to a conventional "surge" like Iraq. He also set ROEs that prohibited shelling in civilian areas. That guaranteed rebels would set up in civilian areas.
The was is being micro managed to death in a way that resembles Viet Nam. The Soviets could not control that country from across a bridge. We're not going to from across the ocean.
Set a semi permanent base somewhere in the country to keep the Taliban off kilter and get the heck out of the rest of it.

 

[Bootneck]

Obama changed the fundamental nature of the war from an SF war to a conventional "surge" like Iraq. He also set ROEs that prohibited shelling in civilian areas. That guaranteed rebels would set up in civilian areas.
The was is being micro managed to death in a way that resembles Viet Nam. The Soviets could not control that country from across a bridge. We're not going to from across the ocean.
Set a semi permanent base somewhere in the country to keep the Taliban off kilter and get the heck out of the rest of it.

Another armchair expert doesn't know what the fuck he is talking about!

The Taliban has ALWAYS established themselves in, and fought from civilian areas! ROEs has made no difference to that!

The rest of your post is equally garbage. Just what We've come to expect from the fucking know-all brigade who spout their shit from an armchair.

 

[The Rabbi]

Obama changed the fundamental nature of the war from an SF war to a conventional "surge" like Iraq. He also set ROEs that prohibited shelling in civilian areas. That guaranteed rebels would set up in civilian areas.
The was is being micro managed to death in a way that resembles Viet Nam. The Soviets could not control that country from across a bridge. We're not going to from across the ocean.
Set a semi permanent base somewhere in the country to keep the Taliban off kilter and get the heck out of the rest of it.

Another armchair expert doesn't know what the fuck he is talking about!

The Taliban has ALWAYS established themselves in, and fought from civilian areas! ROEs has made no difference to that!

The rest of your post is equally garbage. Just what We've come to expect from the fucking know-all brigade who spout their shit from an armchair.

You clearly have your ass confused with a hat. Get your head out of it and start making sense.

 

[JakeStarkey]

Obama changed the fundamental nature of the war from an SF war to a conventional "surge" like Iraq. He also set ROEs that prohibited shelling in civilian areas. That guaranteed rebels would set up in civilian areas.
The was is being micro managed to death in a way that resembles Viet Nam. The Soviets could not control that country from across a bridge. We're not going to from across the ocean.
Set a semi permanent base somewhere in the country to keep the Taliban off kilter and get the heck out of the rest of it.

Another armchair expert doesn't know what the fuck he is talking about!

The Taliban has ALWAYS established themselves in, and fought from civilian areas! ROEs has made no difference to that!

The rest of your post is equally garbage. Just what We've come to expect from the fucking know-all brigade who spout their shit from an armchair.

Bootneck clearly does not understand generally the principles of military strategy and specifically the problems of Afghanistan. J W above gives a clear and concise answer.

 

[Bootneck]

Obama changed the fundamental nature of the war from an SF war to a conventional "surge" like Iraq. He also set ROEs that prohibited shelling in civilian areas. That guaranteed rebels would set up in civilian areas.
The was is being micro managed to death in a way that resembles Viet Nam. The Soviets could not control that country from across a bridge. We're not going to from across the ocean.
Set a semi permanent base somewhere in the country to keep the Taliban off kilter and get the heck out of the rest of it.

Another armchair expert doesn't know what the fuck he is talking about!

The Taliban has ALWAYS established themselves in, and fought from civilian areas! ROEs has made no difference to that!

The rest of your post is equally garbage. Just what We've come to expect from the fucking know-all brigade who spout their shit from an armchair.

You clearly have your ass confused with a hat. Get your head out of it and start making sense.

And how many fucking combat tours have you done in Afghanistan? Oh, none! I fuckingwell thought so. You stay in your armchair mate and kepp on spouting your fucking crap!

 

[Bootneck]

Obama changed the fundamental nature of the war from an SF war to a conventional "surge" like Iraq. He also set ROEs that prohibited shelling in civilian areas. That guaranteed rebels would set up in civilian areas.
The was is being micro managed to death in a way that resembles Viet Nam. The Soviets could not control that country from across a bridge. We're not going to from across the ocean.
Set a semi permanent base somewhere in the country to keep the Taliban off kilter and get the heck out of the rest of it.

Another armchair expert doesn't know what the fuck he is talking about!

The Taliban has ALWAYS established themselves in, and fought from civilian areas! ROEs has made no difference to that!

The rest of your post is equally garbage. Just what We've come to expect from the fucking know-all brigade who spout their shit from an armchair.

Bootneck clearly does not understand generally the principles of military strategy and specifically the problems of Afghanistan. J W above gives a clear and concise answer.

I understand it a lot better than you dipstick. Yet another fucking armchair expert joins the fray!

 

[random3434]

Obama changed the fundamental nature of the war from an SF war to a conventional "surge" like Iraq. He also set ROEs that prohibited shelling in civilian areas. That guaranteed rebels would set up in civilian areas.
The was is being micro managed to death in a way that resembles Viet Nam. The Soviets could not control that country from across a bridge. We're not going to from across the ocean.
Set a semi permanent base somewhere in the country to keep the Taliban off kilter and get the heck out of the rest of it.

Another armchair expert doesn't know what the fuck he is talking about!

The Taliban has ALWAYS established themselves in, and fought from civilian areas! ROEs has made no difference to that!

The rest of your post is equally garbage. Just what We've come to expect from the fucking know-all brigade who spout their shit from an armchair.

Bootneck clearly does not understand generally the principles of military strategy and specifically the problems of Afghanistan. J W above gives a clear and concise answer.

Hey Jake S:

That is about the most stupid, ignorant thing anyone on here has ever said, and that's saying a LOT. IF you only knew you fool...............................

 

[logical4u]

We have too many forces in Afganistan to be so indecisive. Either we want victory (we tell the military to do what they do best: tear it down and build it back the way you want it) or we want defeat (the poiticians get our guys and other countries' guys killed by telling them to ask permission before defending themselves or their positions). Those are the only two choices. We may have been wrong, we may have been right to go, but now we are there and there is, only two choices.
The job done in and after WWII pretty much demonstrates that victory would be a good thing (rebuilt the Philipines and Japan and Europe). The defeat (handed to us by politicians running a war) in Vietnam demonstrates that defeat is a bad thing (the domino effect on neighboring nations that still have not recovered from the loss of life and damage to that area of the world.
The elephant in the room: islam. If we pull out of Afganistan without victory, there will be no peace in this country; the muslim extremist will terrorize this nation until one of the above decisions is made (victory or defeat). If we do battle until extremists in Afganistan are defeated, and build the nation back, the non-extremists will see what is possible and may choose to stop living like animals (might makes right) and move to keep civilization.
This is the ugly decision that libs and politicians do not want to make. Hint: not choosing victory IS choosing DEFEAT.

 

[The Rabbi]

Another armchair expert doesn't know what the fuck he is talking about!

The Taliban has ALWAYS established themselves in, and fought from civilian areas! ROEs has made no difference to that!

The rest of your post is equally garbage. Just what We've come to expect from the fucking know-all brigade who spout their shit from an armchair.

You clearly have your ass confused with a hat. Get your head out of it and start making sense.

And how many fucking combat tours have you done in Afghanistan? Oh, none! I fuckingwell thought so. You stay in your armchair mate and kepp on spouting your fucking crap!

Hey dipshit. I don't care how many shitters you burned. It doesn't make you an expert. You have an argument, give it. Otherwise stfu.

 

[Bootneck]

You clearly have your ass confused with a hat. Get your head out of it and start making sense.

And how many fucking combat tours have you done in Afghanistan? Oh, none! I fuckingwell thought so. You stay in your armchair mate and kepp on spouting your fucking crap!

Hey dipshit. I don't care how many shitters you burned. It doesn't make you an expert. You have an argument, give it. Otherwise stfu.

One key phrase in your post demonstrates just how much you DON'T know what you're talking about:

He also set ROEs that prohibited shelling in civilian areas. That guaranteed rebels would set up in civilian areas.

As already pointed out, they have ALWAYS set up in civilian areas!!!!

As for your comment about "setting up a semi permanent base somewhere in the country to keep the Taliban off kilter", That's just another illustation of a naive and ill-informed knowledge of the situation out there. Still it's the best fucking joke I've heard all week. Thanks for the laugh.

 

[Bootneck]

Another armchair expert doesn't know what the fuck he is talking about!

The Taliban has ALWAYS established themselves in, and fought from civilian areas! ROEs has made no difference to that!

The rest of your post is equally garbage. Just what We've come to expect from the fucking know-all brigade who spout their shit from an armchair.

Bootneck clearly does not understand generally the principles of military strategy and specifically the problems of Afghanistan. J W above gives a clear and concise answer.

Hey Jake S:

That is about the most stupid, ignorant thing anyone on here has ever said, and that's saying a LOT. IF you only knew you fool...............................

Don't waste your breath on them EZ. Leave 'em to the comfort of their armchairs.

 

[The Rabbi]

And how many fucking combat tours have you done in Afghanistan? Oh, none! I fuckingwell thought so. You stay in your armchair mate and kepp on spouting your fucking crap!

Hey dipshit. I don't care how many shitters you burned. It doesn't make you an expert. You have an argument, give it. Otherwise stfu.

One key phrase in your post demonstrates just how much you DON'T know what you're talking about:

He also set ROEs that prohibited shelling in civilian areas. That guaranteed rebels would set up in civilian areas.

As already pointed out, they have ALWAYS set up in civilian areas!!!!

As for your comment about "setting up a semi permanent base somewhere in the country to keep the Taliban off kilter", That's just another illustation of a naive and ill-informed knowledge of the situation out there. Still it's the best fucking joke I've heard all week. Thanks for the laugh.

OK, Ike. So tell all us pikers here what it is we are supposed to be doing in Afghanistan. Make sure to include all relevant experience as a SF sniper and how you had bin Laden in your cross hairs but couldn't get clearance from the six.

 

[Bootneck]

Hey dipshit. I don't care how many shitters you burned. It doesn't make you an expert. You have an argument, give it. Otherwise stfu.

One key phrase in your post demonstrates just how much you DON'T know what you're talking about:

He also set ROEs that prohibited shelling in civilian areas. That guaranteed rebels would set up in civilian areas.

As already pointed out, they have ALWAYS set up in civilian areas!!!!

As for your comment about "setting up a semi permanent base somewhere in the country to keep the Taliban off kilter", That's just another illustation of a naive and ill-informed knowledge of the situation out there. Still it's the best fucking joke I've heard all week. Thanks for the laugh.

OK, Ike. So tell all us pikers here what it is we are supposed to be doing in Afghanistan. Make sure to include all relevant experience as a SF sniper and how you had bin Laden in your cross hairs but couldn't get clearance from the six.

Not very good at deflection either, are you!

 

[The Rabbi]

One key phrase in your post demonstrates just how much you DON'T know what you're talking about:

He also set ROEs that prohibited shelling in civilian areas. That guaranteed rebels would set up in civilian areas.

As already pointed out, they have ALWAYS set up in civilian areas!!!!

As for your comment about "setting up a semi permanent base somewhere in the country to keep the Taliban off kilter", That's just another illustation of a naive and ill-informed knowledge of the situation out there. Still it's the best fucking joke I've heard all week. Thanks for the laugh.

OK, Ike. So tell all us pikers here what it is we are supposed to be doing in Afghanistan. Make sure to include all relevant experience as a SF sniper and how you had bin Laden in your cross hairs but couldn't get clearance from the six.

Not very good at deflection either, are you!

I wouldn't consider responding to the original post to be deflecting.
But obviously you have no idea on this subject. I'd say something beats nothing. And you've got nothing.