That doesn't mean you aren't advocating Communism. It just means you aren't advocating the sort of Communism seen around the world in the last 100 years.
Big difference.
'a socioeconomic order structured upon the
common ownership of the
means of production and the absence of
social classes,
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state."
I will reiterate.
I believe in money, private property, and private business. I do not oppose social classes.
Communism is contrary to everything I believe, other then the abolition of the state.
You want there to be no government, for people to be in control.
For the
third time, I do not inherently oppose government.
I oppose the state.
Do you understand the difference?
No government means no government issued money
That does not imply the non-existence of capital.
Government printed money is a relatively modern concept.
Our own currency used to be valued based on the gold standard.
It also means people can't own land as there's no one to give this authority because there isn't any government.
You do not need government authority to give a man the right to property.
Property, being a natural right, only requires an actor willing to defend his land.
Laws are just pieces of paper. They mean nothing.
Within Communism there would be a free market, however the people would be honest enough to charge a decent price for it.
Not true.
Communists believe in collectively sharing resources among workers. It is not market fairness.
You say the statist system now is chaos, but how would you not have chaos? I don't understand.
Figures.
The state produces destructive wars, violent conflicts among civilian populations, crime, rioting, and discontent.
You have two choices, set up a government system where they can be controlled, or let them loose like wild dogs.
False.
The alternative choice is to not give a platform for controlling individuals to come into power, and kill those that attempt to establish a platform to exercise control.
You are going off another false premise that says governments control thugs, when in reality all government is controlled by thugs.
The strawman in this post is off the charts. Refute what I say I believe, and not what you assume I believe.
I understand. However I don't see how you can wish for the abolition of the state, and yet want all the stuff the state stands for.
Money exists because states do. Private property exists because states do. Private business exists because states do. Without the state none of these actually exist.
So there's a problem. I don't understand how you can come up with such contradictory ideas, though I'm open to more detailed explanations.
No, I don't really understand what you mean by opposing the state but no opposing government.
Yes, money is a relatively new thing. So too is international trade, even national trade. Back in the day people would barter for goods. That's fine in a limited society. But hey, I want to buy an airplane and the only thing I produce is traveling on airplanes. So I give you 10,000 free flights on my airplane that flies to where you don't want to go in order for you to give me the airplane. Doesn't really work, because the person with the flights is then going to have to barter those flights away for other stuff and the amount of work involved in this would be ridiculous.
As for land, no, you don't need the govt to tell you that the land is "yours", however ownership of land didn't exist for the Native Americans, they just used the land as they saw fit. The actual ownership, the giving of titles and deeds and so forth is done by an entity which is a government which claims to have control over that land.
i.e., if you murder someone on your land that you own, you'll be prosecuted for murder, perhaps. If you live in a society without government and you claim that land, you murder someone, you're at the mercy of mob justice perhaps, or perhaps not. There are differences here.
Laws are just pieces of paper, backed up by physical power and accepted by a certain amount of people to keep the whole system going.
Without a government they don't exist and without laws it's all about what the people with the power want.
To go to Russia in the 1990s, people had to buy protection from the Mafia. If your mafia wasn't as strong as someone else's mafia, then you might get killed, and there would be no justice for this.
What Communists believe and what Communism is might be two separate things. Communism, proper Communism, is when there is no government. So each person acts appropriately, not because someone made laws, but because they wish to act in such a way (hence why it's impossible).
So within pure Communism some person would take the land that is appropriate for themselves, and they would work on this land and they would barter their goods with others, or give it away freely if they felt that this was the right course of action.
Yes, the state produces wars, it produces bad things, but there's a semblance of order. However it depends on how you're using the word chaos. Chaos is still based on order, it's just we don't understand this order, so you might be right.
However discontent is a part of human life, violence is too. Is there more violence in today's society than in, say, the Native American society where they were constantly at war with each other? Probably not.
People are going to try and control people no matter what. You'd be hard pressed to find any society where there aren't people who control and want to control. Wanting a world where people don't control each other is utopian, and completely impossible.
You believe I'm going off on a false premise, I don't believe I am. I didn't say governments control the thugs, or anything of the sort. I said you have two choices between those who want to control being forced into a system which helps control them, or them doing what they like.
The Founding Fathers set up the Constitution in a manner that would pit the control each politician had with the power others had. So that no one had ultimate power. They called it the separation of powers and at the time was revolutionary, it still is, however it needs an overhaul as it's cracking at the seams quite badly now.
Some governments are better than others. No other system has existed whereby there isn't a government to control things. So you can wish for such a place, but it'll never happen.
