This Road is for Jews Only. Yes, There is Apartheid in Israel

[Ronin]

Get outta Dodge...

Not even Casinos? Wow. Brutal.

 

[RoccoR]

Ronin, et al,

OK, I believe you!!!!

There is no such thing "Road for Jews only".

Liar.

There are roads for Israelis only.

(QUESTION)

Where? and Where?

I simply can't find them. Help me out here.

Most Respectfully,
R

 

[Kondor3]

It doesn't matter if there ARE Jews-Only roads...

Any such restrictions would be for security purposes...

Good for them... makes perfect sense... and nothing to do with Apartheid... in either a Literal or Figurative sense.

 

[Billo_Really]

The land Israel is on is Israel's or are you about to give your own house back to the indians because you're on their land?

Of coarse not.

Because my house was taken from the Mexican's.

 

[Billo_Really]

That's correct.. It belonged to the Kingdom of Jordan before the war.. And after King Hussein had to go to war with HIS remaining Palestinians after they attacked his Capital, he decided he didn't WANT the land or the Palestinians anymore..

Ask HIM --- why he doesn't want it back..

That has nothing to do with it.

You can't move into an area and automatically have more rights than the people already living there.

 

[jillian]

That's correct.. It belonged to the Kingdom of Jordan before the war.. And after King Hussein had to go to war with HIS remaining Palestinians after they attacked his Capital, he decided he didn't WANT the land or the Palestinians anymore..

Ask HIM --- why he doesn't want it back..

That has nothing to do with it.

You can't move into an area and automatically have more rights than the people already living there.

people get attacked.

people win wars.

do you suggest giving texas and california to mexico?

or the rest of this country to native americans?

get over it…. or you could always stop making things up.

there has NEVER been a palestinian state…. never.

 

[Hossfly]

That's correct.. It belonged to the Kingdom of Jordan before the war.. And after King Hussein had to go to war with HIS remaining Palestinians after they attacked his Capital, he decided he didn't WANT the land or the Palestinians anymore..

Ask HIM --- why he doesn't want it back..

That has nothing to do with it.

You can't move into an area and automatically have more rights than the people already living there.

Depends on who's packin' the most heat.

 

[Billo_Really]

except there's no such thing there.

you're welcome.

Are you saying there are no "jew only" roads and "jew only" communities there? Is that what you're claiming?

Because if you are, I can whip up a nice plate of crow to feed you.

 

[Billo_Really]

There is no such thing "Road for Jews only".

Liar.

Then what do you call roads that prohibit Palestinian's from traveling on?

Israeli human rights organization B’Tselem reports that 170 km of roads in the West Bank are either off-limits to Palestinians or highly restricted.

 

[Billo_Really]

people get attacked.

people win wars.

do you suggest giving texas and california to mexico?

or the rest of this country to native americans?

get over it…. or you could always stop making things up.

there has NEVER been a palestinian state…. never.

Doesn't have to be a Palestinian state for the people living there to have inalienable rights. There was an indigenous majority of non-Jewish residents living in that area for generations that were denied their right to self-determination. That's not make believe, that's a fact!

In addition, "conquer by conquest" has been outlawed since the end of WWII. You cannot hold onto land seized in a war. IT IS ILLEGAL!

And finally, I wouldn't mind giving Texas back. I ******* hate Texas!

 

[Billo_Really]

I'm a bit confused. With the exception of Highway 443, which was closed to Palestinian Traffic at the outset of the Second Intifada due to fire bombing, ambushes and sniper attacks, what roads are we talking about?

The ones in the West Bank built for settlers (or what I like to call, "Israeli insurgents").

 

[flacaltenn]

Jordan never had sovereignty rights in any of the lands in Occupied Palestine.

You can't give what you don't have.

And that land, is not Israel's to give.

That's correct.. It belonged to the Kingdom of Jordan before the war.. And after King Hussein had to go to war with HIS remaining Palestinians after they attacked his Capital, he decided he didn't WANT the land or the Palestinians anymore..

Ask HIM --- why he doesn't want it back..

Of course they did.. They supplied additional representation and brought the West Bank into the Hasemite Kingdom of Jordan. After using THEIR military and resources to preserve it during the 1948 war.. Majority of infrastructure in the West Bank came from the Jordanian Treasury and the Union was recognized by both the US and the UK as well as other countries. ARAB LEAGUE was pissed about it -- but **** 'em...

Take it from the Jordanian Royal History site..

Jordan - History - Disengagement from the West Bank


Consequently, in December 1948, a group of Palestinian leaders and notables from the West Bank convened a historic conference in Jericho, where they called for King Abdullah to take immediate steps to unite the two banks of the Jordan into a single state under his leadership.

On April 11, 1950, elections were held for a new Jordanian parliament in which the Palestinian Arabs of the West Bank were equally represented. Thirteen days later, Parliament unanimously approved a motion to unite the two banks of the Jordan River, constitutionally expanding the Hashemite Kingdom of Jordan in order to safeguard what was left of the Arab territory of Palestine from further Zionist expansion.

The Hashemite Kingdom of Jordan now included nearly one and a half million people, more than half a million of whom were refugees evicted from Jewish-occupied Palestine. All automatically became citizens of Jordan, a right that had first been offered in December 1949 to all Palestinians who wished to claim it. Although the Arab League opposed this plan, and no other Arab government followed Jordan’s lead, the Hashemite Kingdom offered the possibility of normal life for many people who would have otherwise remained stateless refugees.

<< SNIP to after the 1967 War.. >>

When the final UN cease-fire was imposed on June 11, Israel stood in possession of a wide swath of Arab land, including the Egyptian Sinai, Syria’s Golan Heights, and, most significantly, what remained of Arab Palestine—the West Bank, including Arab East Jerusalem, and the Gaza Strip.

Of the states participating in the conflict, Jordan paid by far the heaviest price. As a result of the war, more than 300,000 Palestinian Arabs became refugees and fled to Jordan. For many of them, this was the second uprooting in less than two decades, having been driven from their original homes in 1948. Jordan’s economy was also devastated. About 70% of Jordan’s agricultural land was located in the West Bank, which produced 60 to 65% of its fruits and vegetables. Half of the Kingdom’s industrial establishments were located in the West Bank, while the loss of Jerusalem and other religious sites devastated the tourism industry. Altogether, areas now occupied by Israel had accounted for approximately 38% of Jordan’s gross national product.

<< SNIP TO THE DISSOLUTION of WEST BANK ANNEXATION >>

On July 28, 1988, King Hussein announced the cessation of a $1.3 billion development program for the West Bank, explaining that the measure was designed to allow the PLO more responsibility for the area. Two days later, he formally dissolved Parliament, ending West Bank representation in the legislature. Finally, on July 31 King Hussein announced the severance of all administrative and legal ties with the occupied West Bank. Accordingly, electoral districts were redrawn to represent East Bank constituencies only. This disengagement decision marks the turning point that launched the current democratic process, and began a new stage in Jordan’s relationship with West Bank Palestinians.

From the US State Dept notes for 1950...

And what set King Hussein off to cut ties with the West Bank and the Palestinians???
(Op Cit)

The partnership with the Palestinians desired by King Hussein fell apart in September, 1970. The pervasive and chaotic presence of armed Palestinian fedayeen groups who expected immunity from Jordan’s laws was leading to a state of virtual anarchy throughout the Kingdom. Moderate Palestinian leaders were unable to reign in extremist elements, who ambushed the king’s motorcade twice and perpetrated a series of spectacular hijackings. Forced to respond decisively in order to preserve his country from anarchy, King Hussein ordered the army into action.
The situation prompted different reactions throughout the Arab world. While most leaders privately expressed sympathy with the position of King Hussein, many took a public stance in favor of the fedayeen in order to embellish their credentials as “Arab nationalists.” The conflict reached a crisis point in September when some 200 Syrian tanks, camouflaged rather unconvincingly as Palestinian Liberation Army tanks, crossed into Jordan. The Syrians were bereft of air cover, however, and Jordanian aircraft forced a Syrian retreat within three days. In a brief yet intense campaign ending in July 1971, the Jordanian army put an end to the chaotic actions of these Palestinians guerrillas in Amman.

What King Hussein learned about working with Palestinians in good faith is worth remembering. Especially when you read the ROYAL version of events from kinghussein.gov.jo

 

[flacaltenn]

That's correct.. It belonged to the Kingdom of Jordan before the war.. And after King Hussein had to go to war with HIS remaining Palestinians after they attacked his Capital, he decided he didn't WANT the land or the Palestinians anymore..

Ask HIM --- why he doesn't want it back..

That has nothing to do with it.

You can't move into an area and automatically have more rights than the people already living there.

The people living there were CITIZENS OF JORDAN..
The only government representation in the West Bank for 30 yrs was thru the Jordanian Parliament.

The govt of Jordan lost that land to Israel. I'm asking you if you know why JORDAN doesn't want it back anymore..

 

[MHunterB]

except there's no such thing there.

you're welcome.

Are you saying there are no "jew only" roads and "jew only" communities there? Is that what you're claiming?

Because if you are, I can whip up a nice plate of crow to feed you.

Vehicle registration plates of Israel - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

I suggest you read the article, which explains that there are 'Israeli' plates and plates for residents of the Palestinian territories. These are geographic and political criteria -NOT religious.

So an Israeli resident who is a Muslim Arab (= Palestinian, except so few wish to be called that!) has an Israeli plate - but a Jewish resident (and there are a couple) of a town in the PA-administered area has a 'Palestinian' plate.

It is pretty ridiculous to keep referring to 'Jews only' while 20% + of Israeli citizens are non-Jews.

 

[SherriMunnerlyn]

Jordan never had sovereignty rights in the land, they were occupiers too.

Occupations do not give nations sovereignty rights in land.

The sovereignty rights to the land belong to the indigenous Palestinian people who have a right of self determination in the Occupied Palestinian Territories.

That's correct.. It belonged to the Kingdom of Jordan before the war.. And after King Hussein had to go to war with HIS remaining Palestinians after they attacked his Capital, he decided he didn't WANT the land or the Palestinians anymore..

Ask HIM --- why he doesn't want it back..

That has nothing to do with it.

You can't move into an area and automatically have more rights than the people already living there.

The people living there were CITIZENS OF JORDAN..
The only government representation in the West Bank for 30 yrs was thru the Jordanian Parliament.

The govt of Jordan lost that land to Israel. I'm asking you if you know why JORDAN doesn't want it back anymore..

 

[Billo_Really]

Vehicle registration plates of Israel - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Why you posted this link is beyond me?

I suggest you read the article, which explains that there are 'Israeli' plates and plates for residents of the Palestinian territories.

I read it.

It has nothing to do with what we're talking about.

These are geographic and political criteria -NOT religious.

Maybe for the "plates", but not for this discussion.

So an Israeli resident who is a Muslim Arab (= Palestinian, except so few wish to be called that!) has an Israeli plate - but a Jewish resident (and there are a couple) of a town in the PA-administered area has a 'Palestinian' plate.

Blah blah blah..............get back on topic!

It is pretty ridiculous to keep referring to 'Jews only' while 20% + of Israeli citizens are non-Jews.

Why are you taking what I said out of context?

Are you too ***** to deal with the point I was making?

 

[Billo_Really]

The people living there were CITIZENS OF JORDAN..

They also are an indigenous population who had been living in that area for generations.

The only government representation in the West Bank for 30 yrs was thru the Jordanian Parliament.

That's irrelevant.

The govt of Jordan lost that land to Israel.

How many times do I have to tell you, you cannot hold onto land seized in a war?

That has been illegal since the end of WWII.

I'm asking you if you know why JORDAN doesn't want it back anymore..

Don't ask me questions when you won't answer mine.

 

[MHunterB]

Jordan never had sovereignty rights in the land, they were occupiers too.
Occupations do not give nations sovereignty rights in land.

The sovereignty rights to the land belong to the indigenous Palestinian people who have a right of self determination in the Occupied Palestinian Territories.

Thanks for exposing the hypocrisy of the entire BDS enterprise. Why was there no BDS commotion over the Jordanian occupation? After all, Jordan was an 'Occupier'- and we can see the photos in LIFE magazine of Jordanian troops perpetrating ethnic cleansing in East Jerusalem, so we know the Jordanians committed war crimes and crimes against humanity......

 

[SherriMunnerlyn]

We live in the year 2014, I cannot answer for what other people did in another place and another time.

The issue today and in this thread is Apartheid in Israel and Palestine today.

AND people of conscience respond to Apartheid with BDS.

 

[SherriMunnerlyn]

New book explores Israel’s military legal system

The Israeli military legal system is one of the most under reported yet*crucial components*of Israel’s system of control over Palestinians in the*occupied West Bank. Since 1967, Israel has controlled the entire area of the West Bank using two forms of legal enforcement based on two different legal codes – one for Israeli settlers and one for Palestinians. Palestinians are subjected to military law administered by the Israeli army. Far from providing justice for Palestinians, the military legal system functions as a foundational control mechanism over Palestinian life in all realms. In a*new book from Pluto Press, Israeli professor Anat Matar and Palestinian lawyer Abeer Baker edit a collection of informative essays regarding the military justice system and Palestinian prisoners in Israel.

New book explores Israel?s military legal system | Mondoweiss