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This is worse than Saigon

America’s humiliation in Afghanistan confirms that the woke West is utterly incapable of standing up for itself.
16 Aug 2021 ~~ By Brendan O'Neill
Everyone is saying it’s like Saigon in 1975. Helicopters evacuating an American embassy. Chaotic, distressing scenes at the local airport as American allies, or just plain fearful people, desperately try to flee the country. American officials convincing absolutely nobody with their unhinged claims that the ‘mission has been successful’ (in Anthony Blinken’s words). It’s clear for all to see, commentators insist: Kabul in 2021 is a replay of Saigon in 1975. America humiliated, its enemies ascendant.
Yet here’s the brutal truth: what is happening right now is worse than Saigon. Yes, America’s defeat in Vietnam was an epoch-shaping humiliation for the self-styled defenders of freedom in the Cold War clash with the ‘Evil Empire’ and its communist allies. But the routing of the US in Afghanistan, the alarmingly swift collapse of its allies in the Afghan government, the fall of Kabul like a house of cards, and the fact that Operation Enduring Freedom, launched in the aftermath of the 9/11 attacks, has ended with the endurance of the Taliban instead, with victory for the bad guys – all of this represents the most significant moment of geopolitical decline for the US in decades. Indeed, it raises questions not only about America’s global standing, but also about its very purpose and meaning as a nation.
The scale of the humiliation just suffered by the United States cannot be overstated. The most powerful military force on Earth and its incredibly well-funded allies in Kabul have been pushed aside by a regressive 12th-century movement that thinks adulterers should be stoned to death. The allies of the most technologically sophisticated army in the world have been sent packing by a ragtag Islamist army which set about painting over billboard posters for female beauty products the minute it arrived in Kabul. A nation founded in freedom – and which justified its international presence in the language of freedom for the entire postwar period – has been usurped by a movement so intolerant that it bans pop music, executes comedians who make fun of it, and beats women with canes if they are immodestly dressed.
The impact of America’s failure, of the slow, tragic journey from Operation Enduring Freedom to those images today of desperate Afghans clinging to the undercarriage of the last US military airplanes to leave Afghanistan, will be dire and long-lasting. Most immediately the US has shown itself to be an untrustworthy ally. Which nation or people in need of help would align with this supposedly freedom-loving superpower that abandons its allies to their fate when the enemy comes knocking? Who now will trust the US to assist in the building of new institutions given the rotten fruits of its multi-billion-dollar, 20-year ‘nation-building’ project in Afghanistan – a calamitously weak Potemkin government that capitulated instantly when the Taliban hit the streets of Kabul?
~Snip~
The Afghan humiliation is not only a military failure – it’s a political and moral one, too. Extraordinarily bad political decisions have been taken by the US, including its willingness to trust the Taliban and its belief that this brutal, misanthropic, misogynistic movement could be a player in the ‘international community’. Even now, Washington seems completely out of touch with events on the ground in Afghanistan. Its intelligence officers said the Taliban could take Kabul within 90 days. That was four days ago. They know nothing. One gets the impression of a confused, decaying empire looking with bamboozlement upon even those parts of the earth it rules.
Anyone who thinks the Taliban did not pick up on all of this, on the Potemkin nature not only of the Afghan government but also of Western civilization itself, is kidding themselves. The Taliban will have watched as the mighty American military became bogged down in discussions of critical race theory and the problem of ‘white rage’.
~Snip~
This is the truth: America and its Western allies are too consumed by wokeness to be able to pursue a moral or military struggle for their values. The past 20 years of this slow-burning Afghan humiliation have been a modern case of fiddling while Rome burns. An intolerant Islamist army gains in strength and plots its return to power while the American and British armies obsess over how to become more trans-inclusive, which gender pronouns to use (the Royal Air Force’s list includes ‘ze’, ‘per’ and ‘hir’), how to make training exercises more inclusive of ‘snowflakes’, and how to fight wars without offending the enemy. Who can forget when US navy men wrote ‘Hijack this, fags’ on a bomb destined for Afghanistan and all hell broke loose? Such ‘spontaneous acts of penmanship’ are completely unacceptable, said the then US rear admiral. The Taliban was fighting to the death for its theocratic vision – the West was squabbling over offensive words.
This is why the comparison with Saigon is an illegitimate one. Back then, the US was forced into retreat by powerful external forces – the Vietnamese, of course, and also the anti-war movement in the US, in which vast swathes of the youth and significant sections of the elite turned against the war. The Afghan humiliation, in contrast, is a product almost entirely of internal disarray – of the exhaustion of American politics, of Western geopolitical nous, and of the West’s belief in its own project and its own values. There is nothing positive whatsoever in how the Afghan War has ended. It is a disaster for the Afghan people, a devastating blow to the confidence of the United States, and another backward step for those of us who believe that the values of democracy and freedom are superior and are worth fighting for. The Afghan calamity will cast a long shadow, for a long time.


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Why would any nation ever agree to be a US ally in wartime? If an election goes south, our allies are screwed. We have seen that example in real life the passed seven months.
Yesterday Uzbekistan reported it shot down a military plane fleeing Afghanistan. Once that happens with a plane with civilians on board, the airport can’t be a good place for the hundreds of hostages who are desperate to flee. What then, Joey Xi?
Remember all those helicopters leaving, not shot down.
We are witnessing history repeat itself.
For anybody who voted Bai Dung and PMS/DSA Democrats, the clusterfuck we are witnessing now is YOUR fault!
America is being ransacked from within and nobody's pumping the brakes this out of control bus. Corruption, incompetence and treason are plainly from within is bringing us down in record time. We've met the enemy and they are us.
 

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The mass graves are just over the horizon.....

Yes,
There's no way the Taliban is going to tolerate the lifestyles the Afghans have come to enjoy.

The blood will be on the Democrats hands.....as usual
OTOH.....the Afghan people didn't seem too concerned about learning to defend themselves...or at least that how it is made to appear.
 

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This is worse than Saigon

America’s humiliation in Afghanistan confirms that the woke West is utterly incapable of standing up for itself.
16 Aug 2021 ~~ By Brendan O'Neill
Everyone is saying it’s like Saigon in 1975. Helicopters evacuating an American embassy. Chaotic, distressing scenes at the local airport as American allies, or just plain fearful people, desperately try to flee the country. American officials convincing absolutely nobody with their unhinged claims that the ‘mission has been successful’ (in Anthony Blinken’s words). It’s clear for all to see, commentators insist: Kabul in 2021 is a replay of Saigon in 1975. America humiliated, its enemies ascendant.
Yet here’s the brutal truth: what is happening right now is worse than Saigon. Yes, America’s defeat in Vietnam was an epoch-shaping humiliation for the self-styled defenders of freedom in the Cold War clash with the ‘Evil Empire’ and its communist allies. But the routing of the US in Afghanistan, the alarmingly swift collapse of its allies in the Afghan government, the fall of Kabul like a house of cards, and the fact that Operation Enduring Freedom, launched in the aftermath of the 9/11 attacks, has ended with the endurance of the Taliban instead, with victory for the bad guys – all of this represents the most significant moment of geopolitical decline for the US in decades. Indeed, it raises questions not only about America’s global standing, but also about its very purpose and meaning as a nation.
The scale of the humiliation just suffered by the United States cannot be overstated. The most powerful military force on Earth and its incredibly well-funded allies in Kabul have been pushed aside by a regressive 12th-century movement that thinks adulterers should be stoned to death. The allies of the most technologically sophisticated army in the world have been sent packing by a ragtag Islamist army which set about painting over billboard posters for female beauty products the minute it arrived in Kabul. A nation founded in freedom – and which justified its international presence in the language of freedom for the entire postwar period – has been usurped by a movement so intolerant that it bans pop music, executes comedians who make fun of it, and beats women with canes if they are immodestly dressed.
The impact of America’s failure, of the slow, tragic journey from Operation Enduring Freedom to those images today of desperate Afghans clinging to the undercarriage of the last US military airplanes to leave Afghanistan, will be dire and long-lasting. Most immediately the US has shown itself to be an untrustworthy ally. Which nation or people in need of help would align with this supposedly freedom-loving superpower that abandons its allies to their fate when the enemy comes knocking? Who now will trust the US to assist in the building of new institutions given the rotten fruits of its multi-billion-dollar, 20-year ‘nation-building’ project in Afghanistan – a calamitously weak Potemkin government that capitulated instantly when the Taliban hit the streets of Kabul?
~Snip~
The Afghan humiliation is not only a military failure – it’s a political and moral one, too. Extraordinarily bad political decisions have been taken by the US, including its willingness to trust the Taliban and its belief that this brutal, misanthropic, misogynistic movement could be a player in the ‘international community’. Even now, Washington seems completely out of touch with events on the ground in Afghanistan. Its intelligence officers said the Taliban could take Kabul within 90 days. That was four days ago. They know nothing. One gets the impression of a confused, decaying empire looking with bamboozlement upon even those parts of the earth it rules.
Anyone who thinks the Taliban did not pick up on all of this, on the Potemkin nature not only of the Afghan government but also of Western civilization itself, is kidding themselves. The Taliban will have watched as the mighty American military became bogged down in discussions of critical race theory and the problem of ‘white rage’.
~Snip~
This is the truth: America and its Western allies are too consumed by wokeness to be able to pursue a moral or military struggle for their values. The past 20 years of this slow-burning Afghan humiliation have been a modern case of fiddling while Rome burns. An intolerant Islamist army gains in strength and plots its return to power while the American and British armies obsess over how to become more trans-inclusive, which gender pronouns to use (the Royal Air Force’s list includes ‘ze’, ‘per’ and ‘hir’), how to make training exercises more inclusive of ‘snowflakes’, and how to fight wars without offending the enemy. Who can forget when US navy men wrote ‘Hijack this, fags’ on a bomb destined for Afghanistan and all hell broke loose? Such ‘spontaneous acts of penmanship’ are completely unacceptable, said the then US rear admiral. The Taliban was fighting to the death for its theocratic vision – the West was squabbling over offensive words.
This is why the comparison with Saigon is an illegitimate one. Back then, the US was forced into retreat by powerful external forces – the Vietnamese, of course, and also the anti-war movement in the US, in which vast swathes of the youth and significant sections of the elite turned against the war. The Afghan humiliation, in contrast, is a product almost entirely of internal disarray – of the exhaustion of American politics, of Western geopolitical nous, and of the West’s belief in its own project and its own values. There is nothing positive whatsoever in how the Afghan War has ended. It is a disaster for the Afghan people, a devastating blow to the confidence of the United States, and another backward step for those of us who believe that the values of democracy and freedom are superior and are worth fighting for. The Afghan calamity will cast a long shadow, for a long time.


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Why would any nation ever agree to be a US ally in wartime? If an election goes south, our allies are screwed. We have seen that example in real life the passed seven months.
Yesterday Uzbekistan reported it shot down a military plane fleeing Afghanistan. Once that happens with a plane with civilians on board, the airport can’t be a good place for the hundreds of hostages who are desperate to flee. What then, Joey Xi?
Remember all those helicopters leaving, not shot down.
We are witnessing history repeat itself.
For anybody who voted Bai Dung and PMS/DSA Democrats, the clusterfuck we are witnessing now is YOUR fault!
America is being ransacked from within and nobody's pumping the brakes this out of control bus. Corruption, incompetence and treason are plainly from within is bringing us down in record time. We've met the enemy and they are


Fuck off. Now it's Biden's fault.
Should we stay another twenty years, another 3 trillion dollars and another 8000 troops dead?
Remember it was a Republican that started it was under the guise of WMD and you fell for it. As if you made any massive contributions.

You're pathetic. If there was a goat herders strike in Iceland you would blame Biden. Yoire paranoid on blaming everything the on dems. Grow up you childish dickhead.
 

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It’s bad !! Not as bad as Saigon .
USA actually had a peace deal with the North . Then as soon as the USA moved out - the slants broke it
 

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This is worse than Saigon

America’s humiliation in Afghanistan confirms that the woke West is utterly incapable of standing up for itself.
16 Aug 2021 ~~ By Brendan O'Neill
Everyone is saying it’s like Saigon in 1975. Helicopters evacuating an American embassy. Chaotic, distressing scenes at the local airport as American allies, or just plain fearful people, desperately try to flee the country. American officials convincing absolutely nobody with their unhinged claims that the ‘mission has been successful’ (in Anthony Blinken’s words). It’s clear for all to see, commentators insist: Kabul in 2021 is a replay of Saigon in 1975. America humiliated, its enemies ascendant.
Yet here’s the brutal truth: what is happening right now is worse than Saigon. Yes, America’s defeat in Vietnam was an epoch-shaping humiliation for the self-styled defenders of freedom in the Cold War clash with the ‘Evil Empire’ and its communist allies. But the routing of the US in Afghanistan, the alarmingly swift collapse of its allies in the Afghan government, the fall of Kabul like a house of cards, and the fact that Operation Enduring Freedom, launched in the aftermath of the 9/11 attacks, has ended with the endurance of the Taliban instead, with victory for the bad guys – all of this represents the most significant moment of geopolitical decline for the US in decades. Indeed, it raises questions not only about America’s global standing, but also about its very purpose and meaning as a nation.
The scale of the humiliation just suffered by the United States cannot be overstated. The most powerful military force on Earth and its incredibly well-funded allies in Kabul have been pushed aside by a regressive 12th-century movement that thinks adulterers should be stoned to death. The allies of the most technologically sophisticated army in the world have been sent packing by a ragtag Islamist army which set about painting over billboard posters for female beauty products the minute it arrived in Kabul. A nation founded in freedom – and which justified its international presence in the language of freedom for the entire postwar period – has been usurped by a movement so intolerant that it bans pop music, executes comedians who make fun of it, and beats women with canes if they are immodestly dressed.
The impact of America’s failure, of the slow, tragic journey from Operation Enduring Freedom to those images today of desperate Afghans clinging to the undercarriage of the last US military airplanes to leave Afghanistan, will be dire and long-lasting. Most immediately the US has shown itself to be an untrustworthy ally. Which nation or people in need of help would align with this supposedly freedom-loving superpower that abandons its allies to their fate when the enemy comes knocking? Who now will trust the US to assist in the building of new institutions given the rotten fruits of its multi-billion-dollar, 20-year ‘nation-building’ project in Afghanistan – a calamitously weak Potemkin government that capitulated instantly when the Taliban hit the streets of Kabul?
~Snip~
The Afghan humiliation is not only a military failure – it’s a political and moral one, too. Extraordinarily bad political decisions have been taken by the US, including its willingness to trust the Taliban and its belief that this brutal, misanthropic, misogynistic movement could be a player in the ‘international community’. Even now, Washington seems completely out of touch with events on the ground in Afghanistan. Its intelligence officers said the Taliban could take Kabul within 90 days. That was four days ago. They know nothing. One gets the impression of a confused, decaying empire looking with bamboozlement upon even those parts of the earth it rules.
Anyone who thinks the Taliban did not pick up on all of this, on the Potemkin nature not only of the Afghan government but also of Western civilization itself, is kidding themselves. The Taliban will have watched as the mighty American military became bogged down in discussions of critical race theory and the problem of ‘white rage’.
~Snip~
This is the truth: America and its Western allies are too consumed by wokeness to be able to pursue a moral or military struggle for their values. The past 20 years of this slow-burning Afghan humiliation have been a modern case of fiddling while Rome burns. An intolerant Islamist army gains in strength and plots its return to power while the American and British armies obsess over how to become more trans-inclusive, which gender pronouns to use (the Royal Air Force’s list includes ‘ze’, ‘per’ and ‘hir’), how to make training exercises more inclusive of ‘snowflakes’, and how to fight wars without offending the enemy. Who can forget when US navy men wrote ‘Hijack this, fags’ on a bomb destined for Afghanistan and all hell broke loose? Such ‘spontaneous acts of penmanship’ are completely unacceptable, said the then US rear admiral. The Taliban was fighting to the death for its theocratic vision – the West was squabbling over offensive words.
This is why the comparison with Saigon is an illegitimate one. Back then, the US was forced into retreat by powerful external forces – the Vietnamese, of course, and also the anti-war movement in the US, in which vast swathes of the youth and significant sections of the elite turned against the war. The Afghan humiliation, in contrast, is a product almost entirely of internal disarray – of the exhaustion of American politics, of Western geopolitical nous, and of the West’s belief in its own project and its own values. There is nothing positive whatsoever in how the Afghan War has ended. It is a disaster for the Afghan people, a devastating blow to the confidence of the United States, and another backward step for those of us who believe that the values of democracy and freedom are superior and are worth fighting for. The Afghan calamity will cast a long shadow, for a long time.


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Why would any nation ever agree to be a US ally in wartime? If an election goes south, our allies are screwed. We have seen that example in real life the passed seven months.
Yesterday Uzbekistan reported it shot down a military plane fleeing Afghanistan. Once that happens with a plane with civilians on board, the airport can’t be a good place for the hundreds of hostages who are desperate to flee. What then, Joey Xi?
Remember all those helicopters leaving, not shot down.
We are witnessing history repeat itself.
For anybody who voted Bai Dung and PMS/DSA Democrats, the clusterfuck we are witnessing now is YOUR fault!
America is being ransacked from within and nobody's pumping the brakes this out of control bus. Corruption, incompetence and treason are plainly from within is bringing us down in record time. We've met the enemy and they are us.

The problem is the right seems to think it has a right to tell other countries what to do.

The other problem is that if you set up puppet governments, people won't fight for their country unless they're fighting against the people who give the puppet the power.

So, it's not surprising the Taliban is winning easily, because the Afghan security forces had no reason to fight back, because the US simply doesn't know how to do things properly.
 
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Colin Norris wrote:
Fuck off. Now it's Biden's fault.
Should we stay another twenty years, another 3 trillion dollars and another 8000 troops dead?
Remember it was a Republican that started it was under the guise of WMD and you fell for it. As if you made any massive contributions.

You're pathetic. If there was a goat herders strike in Iceland you would blame Biden. Yoire paranoid on blaming everything the on dems. Grow up you childish dickhead.


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First your histrionics are typical and your supposed facts are completely lies.
We went into Afghanistan to destroy Al Qaeda and bin Laden because the Taliban were hiding, training and giving the haven. We never went to Afghanistan to destroy WMD.
**********​
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In Bai Dung's distain for everything Trump accomplished, Joey Xi nullified and rescinded every Executive Order and foreign policy agreement created during the Trump administration, including the agreement with the Taliban. So of course the Taliban took advantage. That is why there has been the complete rout.
Baghram Airbase was not to be closed until the last and air cover was supposed to be given to the Afghan army. Bai Dung decided not to do so that's why they Army fell apart.
Joey Xi also reneged on getting the Afghans that worked for us out before the deadline.
So if you think I'm paranoid first check your facts be truthful in your responses and I'll keep responding to you. Continue with your rhetoric, personal attacks and lies, you go on ignore.
 
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This is a rerun of Obama leaving Iraq too soon. Obama blamed that failure on Bush’s deadline once he realized the disaster that had become. Lying sack of shit, Obama.
Obama must have been in Biden’s earpiece telling him to blame trump.
Media complies.
 

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America’s humiliation in Afghanistan confirms that the woke West is utterly incapable of standing up for itself.
As usual, it's 'the West' or 'the Western World' when the US creates another complete clusterfuck.

Of course it has the excuse of being accurate, one has only to look at which nations occupy the Western Hemisphere...
 

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Why would any nation ever agree to be a US ally in wartime?
From now on, if we see that any country invites US military instructors, it means that this country is headed by enemies of this people, corrupt thieves, as, for example, in Ukraine.
The post-war experience teaches, that inviting americans to train your army is a sure path to disaster.
Thank you for your attention.
 

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I was wrong !
I thought about it.
It’s worse than Saigon
You’re right
 

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This is worse than Saigon

America’s humiliation in Afghanistan confirms that the woke West is utterly incapable of standing up for itself.
16 Aug 2021 ~~ By Brendan O'Neill
Everyone is saying it’s like Saigon in 1975. Helicopters evacuating an American embassy. Chaotic, distressing scenes at the local airport as American allies, or just plain fearful people, desperately try to flee the country. American officials convincing absolutely nobody with their unhinged claims that the ‘mission has been successful’ (in Anthony Blinken’s words). It’s clear for all to see, commentators insist: Kabul in 2021 is a replay of Saigon in 1975. America humiliated, its enemies ascendant.
Yet here’s the brutal truth: what is happening right now is worse than Saigon. Yes, America’s defeat in Vietnam was an epoch-shaping humiliation for the self-styled defenders of freedom in the Cold War clash with the ‘Evil Empire’ and its communist allies. But the routing of the US in Afghanistan, the alarmingly swift collapse of its allies in the Afghan government, the fall of Kabul like a house of cards, and the fact that Operation Enduring Freedom, launched in the aftermath of the 9/11 attacks, has ended with the endurance of the Taliban instead, with victory for the bad guys – all of this represents the most significant moment of geopolitical decline for the US in decades. Indeed, it raises questions not only about America’s global standing, but also about its very purpose and meaning as a nation.
The scale of the humiliation just suffered by the United States cannot be overstated. The most powerful military force on Earth and its incredibly well-funded allies in Kabul have been pushed aside by a regressive 12th-century movement that thinks adulterers should be stoned to death. The allies of the most technologically sophisticated army in the world have been sent packing by a ragtag Islamist army which set about painting over billboard posters for female beauty products the minute it arrived in Kabul. A nation founded in freedom – and which justified its international presence in the language of freedom for the entire postwar period – has been usurped by a movement so intolerant that it bans pop music, executes comedians who make fun of it, and beats women with canes if they are immodestly dressed.
The impact of America’s failure, of the slow, tragic journey from Operation Enduring Freedom to those images today of desperate Afghans clinging to the undercarriage of the last US military airplanes to leave Afghanistan, will be dire and long-lasting. Most immediately the US has shown itself to be an untrustworthy ally. Which nation or people in need of help would align with this supposedly freedom-loving superpower that abandons its allies to their fate when the enemy comes knocking? Who now will trust the US to assist in the building of new institutions given the rotten fruits of its multi-billion-dollar, 20-year ‘nation-building’ project in Afghanistan – a calamitously weak Potemkin government that capitulated instantly when the Taliban hit the streets of Kabul?
~Snip~
The Afghan humiliation is not only a military failure – it’s a political and moral one, too. Extraordinarily bad political decisions have been taken by the US, including its willingness to trust the Taliban and its belief that this brutal, misanthropic, misogynistic movement could be a player in the ‘international community’. Even now, Washington seems completely out of touch with events on the ground in Afghanistan. Its intelligence officers said the Taliban could take Kabul within 90 days. That was four days ago. They know nothing. One gets the impression of a confused, decaying empire looking with bamboozlement upon even those parts of the earth it rules.
Anyone who thinks the Taliban did not pick up on all of this, on the Potemkin nature not only of the Afghan government but also of Western civilization itself, is kidding themselves. The Taliban will have watched as the mighty American military became bogged down in discussions of critical race theory and the problem of ‘white rage’.
~Snip~
This is the truth: America and its Western allies are too consumed by wokeness to be able to pursue a moral or military struggle for their values. The past 20 years of this slow-burning Afghan humiliation have been a modern case of fiddling while Rome burns. An intolerant Islamist army gains in strength and plots its return to power while the American and British armies obsess over how to become more trans-inclusive, which gender pronouns to use (the Royal Air Force’s list includes ‘ze’, ‘per’ and ‘hir’), how to make training exercises more inclusive of ‘snowflakes’, and how to fight wars without offending the enemy. Who can forget when US navy men wrote ‘Hijack this, fags’ on a bomb destined for Afghanistan and all hell broke loose? Such ‘spontaneous acts of penmanship’ are completely unacceptable, said the then US rear admiral. The Taliban was fighting to the death for its theocratic vision – the West was squabbling over offensive words.
This is why the comparison with Saigon is an illegitimate one. Back then, the US was forced into retreat by powerful external forces – the Vietnamese, of course, and also the anti-war movement in the US, in which vast swathes of the youth and significant sections of the elite turned against the war. The Afghan humiliation, in contrast, is a product almost entirely of internal disarray – of the exhaustion of American politics, of Western geopolitical nous, and of the West’s belief in its own project and its own values. There is nothing positive whatsoever in how the Afghan War has ended. It is a disaster for the Afghan people, a devastating blow to the confidence of the United States, and another backward step for those of us who believe that the values of democracy and freedom are superior and are worth fighting for. The Afghan calamity will cast a long shadow, for a long time.


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Why would any nation ever agree to be a US ally in wartime? If an election goes south, our allies are screwed. We have seen that example in real life the passed seven months.
Yesterday Uzbekistan reported it shot down a military plane fleeing Afghanistan. Once that happens with a plane with civilians on board, the airport can’t be a good place for the hundreds of hostages who are desperate to flee. What then, Joey Xi?
Remember all those helicopters leaving, not shot down.
We are witnessing history repeat itself.
For anybody who voted Bai Dung and PMS/DSA Democrats, the clusterfuck we are witnessing now is YOUR fault!
America is being ransacked from within and nobody's pumping the brakes this out of control bus. Corruption, incompetence and treason are plainly from within is bringing us down in record time. We've met the enemy and they are us.

When Trump negotiated our retreat from Afghanistan, what did you think was going to happen? When he negotiated the release of 5000 Taliban prisoners, where did you think they were going to go?

What did you think they were going to do?


Remember, Biden is following the pull out Trump negotiated, on the time line Trump negotiated. Trump himself said he would have done it earlier, in May, if he were still President.

What did you think was going to happen? The moment that Trump capitulated and signed his useless 'peace deal' with the Taliban, this outcome was inevitable. Its not like the Afghani military was somehow 'ready' to hold against the Taliban in May, and then suddenly weren't 90 days later.

They were never going to hold against the Taliban. This is the outcome of the US withdraw.....the withdraw that conservatives were championing and negotiating for. Well, you got what you wanted.

How do you like the outcome?
 

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The amount of stupid it takes to seriously claim this is worse than Saigon.....
 

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The amount of stupid it takes to seriously claim this is worse than Saigon.....

C'mon, Biff. Put the stupid in perspective. After their 'Big Lie', their birther nonsense, they're panty shitting hysterics about 'American Carnage', and all their COVID conspiracies........'this is worse than Saigon' is kinda slow pitch.
 

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C'mon, Biff. Put the stupid in perspective. After their 'Big Lie', their birther nonsense, they're panty shitting hysterics about 'American Carnage', and all their COVID conspiracies........'this is worse than Saigon' is kinda slow pitch.
Yea, but in order for me to think about Saigon...I have to think about how a presidential nominee named Jimmy Carter didn't go around trolling Gerald Ford about how bad Saigon was.....

And we all know how much conservatives hate hearing about how Jimmy Carter was a better man than them......
 

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$295.00
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$350.00

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