This is how Japan keeps gun murder low...they actually put gun criminals in jail for a long time.

[JoeB131]

Actually, criminals loose and committting crime is far more expensive than the 30,000 dollars to keep them locked up every year. They cause more damage and cost us a lot more when they are free range....

Only because they have - wait for it - easy access to guns!

again, everyone else has figured this out. Crooks can't get guns, they tend to be much better behaved.

 

[2aguy]

Moron......they put those sentences in place because the Yakuza were getting and using guns........the only thing that made them stop using guns was long prison sentences....I know you aren't bright....but could you pretend to be a little smarter when you post?

Guy, here's the thing.

Japan has 11 gun murders a year, we have 11,000.

They don't let citizens own guns. They don't need them.

No.....again...you don't know what you are talking about. The crime rate in Japan is due to their culture...they have very little crime of any kind...because their culture actually deals with criminals and keeps their people in line........here is the truth....

Japan: Gun Control and People Control



Do the gun banners have the argument won when they point to these statistics? No, they don't. A realistic examination of Japanese culture leads to the conclusion that gun control has little, if anything, to do with Japan's low crime rates. Japan's lack of crime is more the result of the very extensive powers of the Japanese police, and the distinctive relation of the Japanese citizenry to authority. Further, none of the reasons which have made gun control succeed in Japan (in terms of disarming citizens) exist in the U.S.

The Japanese criminal justice system bears more heavily on a suspect than any other system in an industrial democratic nation. One American found this out when he was arrested in Okinawa for possessing marijuana: he was interrogated for days without an attorney, and signed a confession written in Japanese that he could not read. He met his lawyer for the first time at his trial, which took 30 minutes.

Unlike in the United States, where the Miranda rule limits coercive police interrogation techniques, Japanese police and prosecutors may detain a suspect indefinitely until he confesses. (Technically, detentions are only allowed for three days, followed by ten day extensions approved by a judge, but defense attorneys rarely oppose the extension request, for fear of offending the prosecutor.) Bail is denied if it would interfere with interrogation.

Even after interrogation is completed, pretrial detention may continue on a variety of pretexts, such as preventing the defendant from destroying evidence. Criminal defense lawyers are the only people allowed to visit a detained suspect, and those meetings are strictly limited.

Partly as a result of these coercive practices, and partly as a result of the Japanese sense of shame, the confession rate is 95%.

For those few defendants who dare to go to trial, there is no jury. Since judges almost always defer to the prosecutors' judgment, the trial conviction rate for violent crime is 99.5%.
Of those convicted, 98% receive jail time.

In short, once a Japanese suspect is apprehended, the power of the prosecutor makes it very likely the suspect will go to jail. And the power of the policeman makes it quite likely that a criminal will be apprehended.

The police routinely ask "suspicious" characters to show what is in their purse or sack. In effect, the police can search almost anyone, almost anytime, because courts only rarely exclude evidence seized by the police -- even if the police acted illegally.

The most important element of police power, though, is not authority to search, but authority in the community. Like school teachers, Japanese policemen rate high in public esteem, especially in the countryside. Community leaders and role models, the police are trained in calligraphy and Haiku composition. In police per capita, Japan far outranks all other major democracies.

15,000 koban "police boxes" are located throughout the cities. Citizens go to the 24-hour-a-day boxes not only for street directions, but to complain about day-to-day problems, such as noisy neighbors, or to ask advice on how to raise children. Some of the policemen and their families live in the boxes. Police box officers clear 74.6% of all criminal cases cleared. Police box officers also spend time teaching neighborhood youth judo or calligraphy. The officers even hand- write their own newspapers, with information about crime and accidents, "stories about good deeds by children, and opinions of
residents."

 

[2aguy]

Actually, criminals loose and committting crime is far more expensive than the 30,000 dollars to keep them locked up every year. They cause more damage and cost us a lot more when they are free range....

Only because they have - wait for it - easy access to guns!

again, everyone else has figured this out. Crooks can't get guns, they tend to be much better behaved.

No....Britain, Australia....they are now experiencing increasing gun crime because they are following what you want...more violent immigrants from 3rd world countries....more social welfare programs that allow single, teenage girls to raise young males without fathers....that is what creates the crime problem...not normal, law abiding gun owners.

Again...the Yakuza were using guns...in Japan....even though they were illegal......the only thing that stopped them was long prison sentences for possessing or using guns.......please......think before you post.

 

[Jarlaxle]

Or maybe it’s cause Japan doesn’t have millions and millions of guns on their streets?

Yeah.....I didn't expect you to actually understand how they keep the criminals, who get the guns despite the law, from using guns....they do what we keep telling you we need to do...you know...lock up the violent gun criminals.

How about you read the article....and actually think about it before you post....notice...

They have a 99.5% conviction rate for violent crime.

If you are caught in possession of an illegal gun...10 years...in America, a felon with multiple gun convictions...less than 3 years. If you are caught with more than one gun in Japan...15 years....and you get more time if you have bullets for the gun...in America....less than 3 years.

If you use the gun to commit a crime...life in prison...in America....you get out of prison to shoot more people.....

Big difference....

They have a 95+% conviction rate for all crimes. They also have no due process, no juries, judges who are prosecutors in all but name, and regularly coerce confessions. (Sleep deprivation is common.) Japan is a police state.

 

[2aguy]

Or maybe it’s cause Japan doesn’t have millions and millions of guns on their streets?

Yeah.....I didn't expect you to actually understand how they keep the criminals, who get the guns despite the law, from using guns....they do what we keep telling you we need to do...you know...lock up the violent gun criminals.

How about you read the article....and actually think about it before you post....notice...

They have a 99.5% conviction rate for violent crime.

If you are caught in possession of an illegal gun...10 years...in America, a felon with multiple gun convictions...less than 3 years. If you are caught with more than one gun in Japan...15 years....and you get more time if you have bullets for the gun...in America....less than 3 years.

If you use the gun to commit a crime...life in prison...in America....you get out of prison to shoot more people.....

Big difference....

They have a 95+% conviction rate for all crimes. They also have no due process, no juries, judges who are prosecutors in all but name, and regularly coerce confessions. (Sleep deprivation is common.)

Yes....and notice how often the left wing, anti gunners cite Japan for their go to gun control country....it is more about the things you mention than even their hatred of gun owners....

 

[2aguy]

For Joe...this is how Japan keeps their gun crime low......

“In a hit, whoever fires the gun, or is made to take responsibility for firing the gun, has to pretty much be willing to go to jail for the rest of their life. That’s a big decision. The repercussions are big, too. No one wants to claim responsibility for such acts – the gang office might actually get shut-down.”

The gang typically also has to support the family of the hit-man while he is in prison, which is also a financial burden for the organization.

Japan’s Firearms and Swords Control Laws make it a crime to illegally possess a gun, with a punishment of jail time of up to 10 years.

Illegal possession more than one gun, the penalty goes up to 15 years in prison. If you own a gun and matching ammunition, that’s another charge and a heavier penalty. The most severe penalty is for the act of discharging a gun in a train, on a bus, or most public spaces, which can result in a life sentence.

 

[Windparadox]

Actually, criminals loose and committting crime is far more expensive than the 30,000 dollars to keep them locked up every year. They cause more damage and cost us a lot more when they are free range....

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I'm not against imprisonment for those convicted in a court of law, what I am against is the fashion in which they are kept. It gets back to the old argument of whether the state should provide a means of "rehabilitation" or just be a holding bin for those legally convicted.

 

[cnm]

If you use the gun to commit a crime...life in prison...in America....you get out of prison to shoot more people.....

Big difference....

I think Carolina has taken steps to change that.

 

[Unkotare]

Another factor is the Japanese history of firearms. Japan had (and in many ways still has) a feudal cast system until the late 19th Century and firearms were always considered a low-caste weapon. Peasants were forbidden firearms (or any weapons) for centuries .....

You contradict yourself.

 

[theHawk]

Their immigration policy is what keeps them safe.

We could learn a thing or two from them.

 

[Unkotare]

... firearms were always considered a low-caste weapon. ....

Not correct.

 

[fncceo]

... firearms were always considered a low-caste weapon. ....

Not correct.

Even until the late Meiji era Japan, firearms were considered an infantry weapon. Only the lowest ranks in the Imperial Army carried them. It wasn't until after the Satsuma Rebellion, that modern orders of battle were adopted by Japanese forces.

 

[Unkotare]

... firearms were always considered a low-caste weapon. ....

Not correct.

Even until the late Meiji era Japan, firearms were considered an infantry weapon. Only the lowest ranks in the Imperial Army carried them. It wasn't until after the Satsuma Rebellion, that modern orders of battle were adopted by Japanese forces.

Firearms were adapted by Japanese military as soon as they became aware of them, and at every opportunity updated. This included cannon as well. Rifles were primarily an infantry weapon as a matter of course. Specially trained squads would be incorporated into battle according to their use was understood at the time, not because of 'class.' Expensive weapons of very limited quantity would not be wasted on ashigaru until economies of scale could make such application practical.

The whole "Samurai wouldn't lower themselves to touch a gun and only used their sword" thing is a myth romanticized by early western otaku.