This election will boomerang on Trump voters

[thereisnospoon]

We already have the disaster of a Bush presidency ranked as the worst in post twentieth century

By whom?

An overwhelming number of historians not just at home, but abroad

No links? Just your word?

I found a legitimate poll that rates Obama as the worst. He and Carter (remember interest rates?,unemployment?, foreign policy? gas lines?).

Poll: Obama 'worst president' since World War II

A main reason why they ask presidential historians rather than partisan voters

Historians don't matter. Only the court of public opinion matters.
And yeah, most of those who are politically aware that are lefties, will say Bush 43 is the worst POTUS in history.
I think Jimmy Carter is BY FAR the worst POTUS in the history of the country. Although, people they were adults during the Hoover admin thought he was the worst.

 

[Eloy]

Lol! These leftist rags in the MSM did such a bang up job predicting the Hillary landslide 2016 election that I can't even BEGIN to imagine how they might be wrong in predicting the next 4 years before the pres-elect has even been inaugurated. I'm sure their clairvoyance will continue to yield the accurate results that we've become so accustomed to over the last 16 months or so.

Oh it gets better.
The Clinton team was heard whining that Trump doesn't have a mandate. That the pollsters were fooled. And a bunch of other whiny ass excuses.
They just cannot accept the fact that the American people have had enough of the leftist nonsense we have seen over the last 8 years.

Trump will be a minority president since Hillary Clinton beat him in the popular vote by over two millions. He is a slick, brash conman and he did fool a lot of the minority who voted for him. He has no mandate to do whatever he feels like doing today. The guy is all talk and self-contradictory most of the time.

 

[Papageorgio]

Lol! These leftist rags in the MSM did such a bang up job predicting the Hillary landslide 2016 election that I can't even BEGIN to imagine how they might be wrong in predicting the next 4 years before the pres-elect has even been inaugurated. I'm sure their clairvoyance will continue to yield the accurate results that we've become so accustomed to over the last 16 months or so.

Oh it gets better.
The Clinton team was heard whining that Trump doesn't have a mandate. That the pollsters were fooled. And a bunch of other whiny ass excuses.
They just cannot accept the fact that the American people have had enough of the leftist nonsense we have seen over the last 8 years.

Trump will be a minority president since Hillary Clinton beat him in the popular vote by over two millions. He is a slick, brash conman and he did fool a lot of the minority who voted for him. He has no mandate to do whatever he feels like doing today. The guy is all talk and self-contradictory most of the time.

He will appoint a Supreme Court Judge, his party will control the House and Senate. He will try to do what he wants, he doesn't need a mandate.

 

[Eloy]

Lol! These leftist rags in the MSM did such a bang up job predicting the Hillary landslide 2016 election that I can't even BEGIN to imagine how they might be wrong in predicting the next 4 years before the pres-elect has even been inaugurated. I'm sure their clairvoyance will continue to yield the accurate results that we've become so accustomed to over the last 16 months or so.

Oh it gets better.
The Clinton team was heard whining that Trump doesn't have a mandate. That the pollsters were fooled. And a bunch of other whiny ass excuses.
They just cannot accept the fact that the American people have had enough of the leftist nonsense we have seen over the last 8 years.

Trump will be a minority president since Hillary Clinton beat him in the popular vote by over two millions. He is a slick, brash conman and he did fool a lot of the minority who voted for him. He has no mandate to do whatever he feels like doing today. The guy is all talk and self-contradictory most of the time.

He will appoint a Supreme Court Judge, his party will control the House and Senate. He will try to do what he wants, he doesn't need a mandate.

A mandate affords a moral authority to do as a candidate promised the electorate during the campaign. The minority President Trump will have no mandate since most of the electorate voted for Hillary Clinton.

 

[Not2BSubjugated]

Lol! These leftist rags in the MSM did such a bang up job predicting the Hillary landslide 2016 election that I can't even BEGIN to imagine how they might be wrong in predicting the next 4 years before the pres-elect has even been inaugurated. I'm sure their clairvoyance will continue to yield the accurate results that we've become so accustomed to over the last 16 months or so.

Oh it gets better.
The Clinton team was heard whining that Trump doesn't have a mandate. That the pollsters were fooled. And a bunch of other whiny ass excuses.
They just cannot accept the fact that the American people have had enough of the leftist nonsense we have seen over the last 8 years.

Trump will be a minority president since Hillary Clinton beat him in the popular vote by over two millions. He is a slick, brash conman and he did fool a lot of the minority who voted for him. He has no mandate to do whatever he feels like doing today. The guy is all talk and self-contradictory most of the time.

He will appoint a Supreme Court Judge, his party will control the House and Senate. He will try to do what he wants, he doesn't need a mandate.

A mandate affords a moral authority to do as a candidate promised the electorate during the campaign. The minority President Trump will have no mandate since most of the electorate voted for Hillary Clinton.

You do have something of a point here. Trump will have to take comfort in the fact that moral authority isn't a legally binding concept as he ignores his lack of a majority mandate and does his thing. You know, kinda like the Democrats took comfort in the fact that over 60 percent of the people being opposed to a bill in the congress is legally meaningless as they ignored their lack of a majority mandate to pass the ACA.

 

[tigerred59]

As herr drumpf screws them , they will defend him more

Throughout his business career, from the casino business to Trump University, Donald Trump has been a con man and grifter. But his life’s work in ripping people off pales next to the long con that he pulled on the American people this year.

Indeed, rarely have so many Americans been convinced to cast a ballot that was not only a vote against their own interests, but also one that will directly harm themselves and their families. More and more, 2016 looks like an “Own Goal Election” for the millions of angry, embittered voters who backed Trump.

This is hardly the first time voters have cast a ballot that will boomerang against them. But rarely has the effect been as pronounced. In giving Republicans full control of Washington, voters have unleashed political forces that are eagerly looking to eviscerate the social safety net and pass legislation that favors the wealthiest and best-connected Americans while ignoring the economic plight of the angry, alienated Americans who gave their trust to Donald Trump.
This election will boomerang on Trump voters - The Boston Globe

Guno, I have said this over and over and over a zillion times....the american stupid will always, always get what it deserves. Why the people don't get it, only god knows. The GOP has never ever been good for our economy, our foreign policies or our social needs and for people to think that this nightmare is gonna someone shake up things, just scares the shit out of everybody. He's already starting shit with our so called friends and he's not even in the white house yet. His supporters will soon find out, that saving a few hundred jobs for rednecks, does not a president make...until he brings his family empire back to the states, he's pretty much a joke.

 

[tigerred59]

Lol! These leftist rags in the MSM did such a bang up job predicting the Hillary landslide 2016 election that I can't even BEGIN to imagine how they might be wrong in predicting the next 4 years before the pres-elect has even been inaugurated. I'm sure their clairvoyance will continue to yield the accurate results that we've become so accustomed to over the last 16 months or so.

Oh it gets better.
The Clinton team was heard whining that Trump doesn't have a mandate. That the pollsters were fooled. And a bunch of other whiny ass excuses.
They just cannot accept the fact that the American people have had enough of the leftist nonsense we have seen over the last 8 years.

Trump will be a minority president since Hillary Clinton beat him in the popular vote by over two millions. He is a slick, brash conman and he did fool a lot of the minority who voted for him. He has no mandate to do whatever he feels like doing today. The guy is all talk and self-contradictory most of the time.

He will appoint a Supreme Court Judge, his party will control the House and Senate. He will try to do what he wants, he doesn't need a mandate.

A mandate affords a moral authority to do as a candidate promised the electorate during the campaign. The minority President Trump will have no mandate since most of the electorate voted for Hillary Clinton.

You do have something of a point here. Trump will have to take comfort in the fact that moral authority isn't a legally binding concept as he ignores his lack of a majority mandate and does his thing. You know, kinda like the Democrats took comfort in the fact that over 60 percent of the people being opposed to a bill in the congress is legally meaningless as they ignored their lack of a majority mandate to pass the ACA.

ACA had difficulty passing because Democrats failed to define and defend it. I remember my congressman coming home to a townhall and actually laughing at the bill, my democratic congressman. So what happened was the GOP was allowed, as always to define ACA, first by calling it Obamacare and then ripping it apart. Another example of the cowards on the left and their lack of conviction and fight.

 

[tigerred59]

If white america thinks they're the only one's working in this country, than it only proves again....just how out of touch, out of reach and sad, the pea nugget in their brains are working. 47% of the country's labor is done by minorities and women, 47%., take off the top 2%, and allow the remainder to consist of children, elderly and immigrants.

 

[tigerred59]

Sounds like America made the right choice. Sorry, guno, guess you're gonna have to wait 8 years to get another shot at wiping out ******.

I would bet my right arm, by the time summer hits, this board, along with most american's that voted for Trump will be as silent as a white man traveling through a Detroit neighborhood late at night.,,and guys I am so rarely wrong.

 

[Not2BSubjugated]

As herr drumpf screws them , they will defend him more

Throughout his business career, from the casino business to Trump University, Donald Trump has been a con man and grifter. But his life’s work in ripping people off pales next to the long con that he pulled on the American people this year.

Indeed, rarely have so many Americans been convinced to cast a ballot that was not only a vote against their own interests, but also one that will directly harm themselves and their families. More and more, 2016 looks like an “Own Goal Election” for the millions of angry, embittered voters who backed Trump.

This is hardly the first time voters have cast a ballot that will boomerang against them. But rarely has the effect been as pronounced. In giving Republicans full control of Washington, voters have unleashed political forces that are eagerly looking to eviscerate the social safety net and pass legislation that favors the wealthiest and best-connected Americans while ignoring the economic plight of the angry, alienated Americans who gave their trust to Donald Trump.
This election will boomerang on Trump voters - The Boston Globe

Guno, I have said this over and over and over a zillion times....the american stupid will always, always get what it deserves. Why the people don't get it, only god knows. The GOP has never ever been good for our economy, our foreign policies or our social needs and for people to think that this nightmare is gonna someone shake up things, just scares the shit out of everybody. He's already starting shit with our so called friends and he's not even in the white house yet. His supporters will soon find out, that saving a few hundred jobs for rednecks, does not a president make...until he brings his family empire back to the states, he's pretty much a joke.

If Trump turns out to be the apocalyptic disaster you folks seem to be predicting he'll be, it won't just be rednecks and republicans that are responsible. Holding an arguably equal portion of the blame will be the democrats for running the most arguably corrupt and easily the least charismatic presidential candidate produced by their party in my lifetime, after top-down dicking Berny Sanders, who people actually tend to find likeable on a personal level, and whose sincerity and integrity were rarely questioned by even his opposition, and who managed to summon up an enthusiasm to which Hillary's tired, plastic campaign couldn't hold a ******* candle.

A lot of the data shows that opposition to Hillary was a huge part of what elected Trump. It's certainly the majority of what got him my vote. If he burns this ***** to the ground, try to remember that your party was complicit.

 

[skookerasbil]

As herr drumpf screws them , they will defend him more

Throughout his business career, from the casino business to Trump University, Donald Trump has been a con man and grifter. But his life’s work in ripping people off pales next to the long con that he pulled on the American people this year.

Indeed, rarely have so many Americans been convinced to cast a ballot that was not only a vote against their own interests, but also one that will directly harm themselves and their families. More and more, 2016 looks like an “Own Goal Election” for the millions of angry, embittered voters who backed Trump.

This is hardly the first time voters have cast a ballot that will boomerang against them. But rarely has the effect been as pronounced. In giving Republicans full control of Washington, voters have unleashed political forces that are eagerly looking to eviscerate the social safety net and pass legislation that favors the wealthiest and best-connected Americans while ignoring the economic plight of the angry, alienated Americans who gave their trust to Donald Trump.
This election will boomerang on Trump voters - The Boston Globe

Guno, I have said this over and over and over a zillion times....the american stupid will always, always get what it deserves. Why the people don't get it, only god knows. The GOP has never ever been good for our economy, our foreign policies or our social needs and for people to think that this nightmare is gonna someone shake up things, just scares the shit out of everybody. He's already starting shit with our so called friends and he's not even in the white house yet. His supporters will soon find out, that saving a few hundred jobs for rednecks, does not a president make...until he brings his family empire back to the states, he's pretty much a joke.

Whatever you say s0n!!!


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Dang.......some of these progressives are dealing with even more than one bumpy cucumber up there. Shit is classic............

The DUMS have been getting their clocks cleaned for years now except for Soetero. State Houses........governorships.......Congress.......and most recently it was a rout! All you have to do is assess the ePiC tone of misery coming from the progressive OCD's in here!! Fun times in here.................but not for them.

 

[tigerred59]

It is astounding that the Americans have elected such an obvious conman who would not recognize a fact if he heard one.

Not really...Hillary was a damaged candidate and deserved to lose. What is astounding is that his mindless supporters backed a guy that said nothing of substance on the campaign trail but give them a comedy act, who wouldn't know his arm pit from his ass ho and who is about as successful as a businessman as a monopoly player with fake money and properties.

This was a white man's vote, a white man's campaign and a white man's win....plain and simple. And sadly, its those fools who will no doubt get the brunt of a Trump white house...because they never learn.

 

[tigerred59]

As herr drumpf screws them , they will defend him more

Throughout his business career, from the casino business to Trump University, Donald Trump has been a con man and grifter. But his life’s work in ripping people off pales next to the long con that he pulled on the American people this year.

Indeed, rarely have so many Americans been convinced to cast a ballot that was not only a vote against their own interests, but also one that will directly harm themselves and their families. More and more, 2016 looks like an “Own Goal Election” for the millions of angry, embittered voters who backed Trump.

This is hardly the first time voters have cast a ballot that will boomerang against them. But rarely has the effect been as pronounced. In giving Republicans full control of Washington, voters have unleashed political forces that are eagerly looking to eviscerate the social safety net and pass legislation that favors the wealthiest and best-connected Americans while ignoring the economic plight of the angry, alienated Americans who gave their trust to Donald Trump.
This election will boomerang on Trump voters - The Boston Globe

Guno, I have said this over and over and over a zillion times....the american stupid will always, always get what it deserves. Why the people don't get it, only god knows. The GOP has never ever been good for our economy, our foreign policies or our social needs and for people to think that this nightmare is gonna someone shake up things, just scares the shit out of everybody. He's already starting shit with our so called friends and he's not even in the white house yet. His supporters will soon find out, that saving a few hundred jobs for rednecks, does not a president make...until he brings his family empire back to the states, he's pretty much a joke.

If Trump turns out to be the apocalyptic disaster you folks seem to be predicting he'll be, it won't just be rednecks and republicans that are responsible. Holding an arguably equal portion of the blame will be the democrats for running the most arguably corrupt and easily the least charismatic presidential candidate produced by their party in my lifetime, after top-down dicking Berny Sanders, who people actually tend to find likeable on a personal level, and whose sincerity and integrity were rarely questioned by even his opposition, and who managed to summon up an enthusiasm to which Hillary's tired, plastic campaign couldn't hold a ******* candle.

A lot of the data shows that opposition to Hillary was a huge part of what elected Trump. It's certainly the majority of what got him my vote. If he burns this ***** to the ground, try to remember that your party was complicit.

Oh, I agree 1000% with you, and then some. The GOP has spent decades piling up shit on the Clinton's, with hearings after hearings on bullshit and for the DNC to push for this nightmare candidate to be our choice, was just plain idiocy. She couldn't even win against a black man with no serious creds, ie Obama, that in itself should have been the definitive signal that Hillary is not a viable candidate to back. So I agree, we all take part in this. ESPECIALLY THE DNC!!

 

[Not2BSubjugated]

Oh it gets better.
The Clinton team was heard whining that Trump doesn't have a mandate. That the pollsters were fooled. And a bunch of other whiny ass excuses.
They just cannot accept the fact that the American people have had enough of the leftist nonsense we have seen over the last 8 years.

Trump will be a minority president since Hillary Clinton beat him in the popular vote by over two millions. He is a slick, brash conman and he did fool a lot of the minority who voted for him. He has no mandate to do whatever he feels like doing today. The guy is all talk and self-contradictory most of the time.

He will appoint a Supreme Court Judge, his party will control the House and Senate. He will try to do what he wants, he doesn't need a mandate.

A mandate affords a moral authority to do as a candidate promised the electorate during the campaign. The minority President Trump will have no mandate since most of the electorate voted for Hillary Clinton.

You do have something of a point here. Trump will have to take comfort in the fact that moral authority isn't a legally binding concept as he ignores his lack of a majority mandate and does his thing. You know, kinda like the Democrats took comfort in the fact that over 60 percent of the people being opposed to a bill in the congress is legally meaningless as they ignored their lack of a majority mandate to pass the ACA.

ACA had difficulty passing because Democrats failed to define and defend it. I remember my congressman coming home to a townhall and actually laughing at the bill, my democratic congressman. So what happened was the GOP was allowed, as always to define ACA, first by calling it Obamacare and then ripping it apart. Another example of the cowards on the left and their lack of conviction and fight.

Sorry, but this response in this context is utterly meaningless. The reasons for the public's opinion are irrelevant, only the opinion defines the majority.

I could just as easily argue that Trump didn't win the majority because the MSM mischaracterized the vast majority of the shit they claim he said and assumed the absolute worst motives, even when those motives weren't the only or even the most obvious potential explanations.

You'd probably respond by telling me that I'm incorrect in my assessment, and that those motives -were- obvious, and that the MSM was totally accurate in their accounting of Trump's statements.

And I'd probably respond by reminding you that the vast majority of the MSM is left leaning (if I'm being charitable enough to characterize their political biases with such a soft term) and that, therefore, the democrats had the far greater platform from which to define the ACA, and that you're incorrect in your assessment that it was the republicans who dictated everyone's opinions.

Ultimately, I can't prove Trump's motivations and you can't prove who's responsible for the negative opinions of the ACA, and so these two arguments can't be relied upon to accurately frame the crux of our discussion.

More importantly, they are, as I've said, literally irrelevant to anything either of us has said up to this point. The only two points of relevance are, one, that neither the ACA nor Trump had/has the moral mandate granted by majority support, and, two, that such a moral mandate is legally meaningless, and the extent of its authority is ONLY the extent to which the House and Senate choose to give a shit.

 

[tigerred59]

Stop with the blaming democrats for the hillary loss....the ***** lost because she was a lousy candidate. Our message is clear, we just didn't get a chance to voice it, because CNN proclaimed Trump God and never let us forget it.....and I love the fact, God has turned on them for it!!

 

[tigerred59]

Trump will be a minority president since Hillary Clinton beat him in the popular vote by over two millions. He is a slick, brash conman and he did fool a lot of the minority who voted for him. He has no mandate to do whatever he feels like doing today. The guy is all talk and self-contradictory most of the time.

He will appoint a Supreme Court Judge, his party will control the House and Senate. He will try to do what he wants, he doesn't need a mandate.

A mandate affords a moral authority to do as a candidate promised the electorate during the campaign. The minority President Trump will have no mandate since most of the electorate voted for Hillary Clinton.

You do have something of a point here. Trump will have to take comfort in the fact that moral authority isn't a legally binding concept as he ignores his lack of a majority mandate and does his thing. You know, kinda like the Democrats took comfort in the fact that over 60 percent of the people being opposed to a bill in the congress is legally meaningless as they ignored their lack of a majority mandate to pass the ACA.

ACA had difficulty passing because Democrats failed to define and defend it. I remember my congressman coming home to a townhall and actually laughing at the bill, my democratic congressman. So what happened was the GOP was allowed, as always to define ACA, first by calling it Obamacare and then ripping it apart. Another example of the cowards on the left and their lack of conviction and fight.

Sorry, but this response in this context is utterly meaningless. The reasons for the public's opinion are irrelevant, only the opinion defines the majority.

I could just as easily argue that Trump didn't win the majority because the MSM mischaracterized the vast majority of the shit they claim he said and assumed the absolute worst motives, even when those motives weren't the only or even the most obvious potential explanations.

You'd probably respond by telling me that I'm incorrect in my assessment, and that those motives -were- obvious, and that the MSM was totally accurate in their accounting of Trump's statements.

And I'd probably respond by reminding you that the vast majority of the MSM is left leaning (if I'm being charitable enough to characterize their political biases with such a soft term) and that, therefore, the democrats had the far greater platform from which to define the ACA, and that you're incorrect in your assessment that it was the republicans who dictated everyone's opinions.

Ultimately, I can't prove Trump's motivations and you can't prove who's responsible for the negative opinions of the ACA, and so these two arguments can't be relied upon to accurately frame the crux of our discussion.

More importantly, they are, as I've said, literally irrelevant to anything either of us has said up to this point. The only two points of relevance are, one, that neither the ACA nor Trump had/has the moral mandate granted by majority support, and, two, that such a moral mandate is legally meaningless, and the extent of its authority is ONLY the extent to which the House and Senate choose to give a shit.

In a nut shell, Trump will do as Trump pleases and the rest of the world, this country will have to deal with it,....end of subject

 

[Not2BSubjugated]

He will appoint a Supreme Court Judge, his party will control the House and Senate. He will try to do what he wants, he doesn't need a mandate.

A mandate affords a moral authority to do as a candidate promised the electorate during the campaign. The minority President Trump will have no mandate since most of the electorate voted for Hillary Clinton.

You do have something of a point here. Trump will have to take comfort in the fact that moral authority isn't a legally binding concept as he ignores his lack of a majority mandate and does his thing. You know, kinda like the Democrats took comfort in the fact that over 60 percent of the people being opposed to a bill in the congress is legally meaningless as they ignored their lack of a majority mandate to pass the ACA.

ACA had difficulty passing because Democrats failed to define and defend it. I remember my congressman coming home to a townhall and actually laughing at the bill, my democratic congressman. So what happened was the GOP was allowed, as always to define ACA, first by calling it Obamacare and then ripping it apart. Another example of the cowards on the left and their lack of conviction and fight.

Sorry, but this response in this context is utterly meaningless. The reasons for the public's opinion are irrelevant, only the opinion defines the majority.

I could just as easily argue that Trump didn't win the majority because the MSM mischaracterized the vast majority of the shit they claim he said and assumed the absolute worst motives, even when those motives weren't the only or even the most obvious potential explanations.

You'd probably respond by telling me that I'm incorrect in my assessment, and that those motives -were- obvious, and that the MSM was totally accurate in their accounting of Trump's statements.

And I'd probably respond by reminding you that the vast majority of the MSM is left leaning (if I'm being charitable enough to characterize their political biases with such a soft term) and that, therefore, the democrats had the far greater platform from which to define the ACA, and that you're incorrect in your assessment that it was the republicans who dictated everyone's opinions.

Ultimately, I can't prove Trump's motivations and you can't prove who's responsible for the negative opinions of the ACA, and so these two arguments can't be relied upon to accurately frame the crux of our discussion.

More importantly, they are, as I've said, literally irrelevant to anything either of us has said up to this point. The only two points of relevance are, one, that neither the ACA nor Trump had/has the moral mandate granted by majority support, and, two, that such a moral mandate is legally meaningless, and the extent of its authority is ONLY the extent to which the House and Senate choose to give a shit.

In a nut shell, Trump will do as Trump pleases and the rest of the world, this country will have to deal with it,....end of subject

Yeah, pretty much. Same thing everyone does in that office, these days. I'm not necessarily a fan of it, either, but if we manage to get through the next 4-8 years without going to war with Russia, I will be fairly confident that the electoral process turned out the lesser of those two evils.

 

[tigerred59]

We already have the disaster of a Bush presidency ranked as the worst in post twentieth century

By whom?

An overwhelming number of historians not just at home, but abroad

No links? Just your word?

I found a legitimate poll that rates Obama as the worst. He and Carter (remember interest rates?,unemployment?, foreign policy? gas lines?).

Poll: Obama 'worst president' since World War II

If you truly want to post shit, than make sure you post it correctly....33% voted him the worst. leaving 67% out. 300 plus million people in this country, with a poll consisting of 1000 people??? His current approval ratings are at 55%. So your poll is about as legitimate as you are.
I can assure you buy the middle of next year, people like you will be moaning and groaning over missing OBama and that is fact!! There's something truly comforting about a president that knows what the **** he's doing, rather than wingin it for hillbillies and hooch drinking rednecks!!

 

[tigerred59]

A mandate affords a moral authority to do as a candidate promised the electorate during the campaign. The minority President Trump will have no mandate since most of the electorate voted for Hillary Clinton.

You do have something of a point here. Trump will have to take comfort in the fact that moral authority isn't a legally binding concept as he ignores his lack of a majority mandate and does his thing. You know, kinda like the Democrats took comfort in the fact that over 60 percent of the people being opposed to a bill in the congress is legally meaningless as they ignored their lack of a majority mandate to pass the ACA.

ACA had difficulty passing because Democrats failed to define and defend it. I remember my congressman coming home to a townhall and actually laughing at the bill, my democratic congressman. So what happened was the GOP was allowed, as always to define ACA, first by calling it Obamacare and then ripping it apart. Another example of the cowards on the left and their lack of conviction and fight.

Sorry, but this response in this context is utterly meaningless. The reasons for the public's opinion are irrelevant, only the opinion defines the majority.

I could just as easily argue that Trump didn't win the majority because the MSM mischaracterized the vast majority of the shit they claim he said and assumed the absolute worst motives, even when those motives weren't the only or even the most obvious potential explanations.

You'd probably respond by telling me that I'm incorrect in my assessment, and that those motives -were- obvious, and that the MSM was totally accurate in their accounting of Trump's statements.

And I'd probably respond by reminding you that the vast majority of the MSM is left leaning (if I'm being charitable enough to characterize their political biases with such a soft term) and that, therefore, the democrats had the far greater platform from which to define the ACA, and that you're incorrect in your assessment that it was the republicans who dictated everyone's opinions.

Ultimately, I can't prove Trump's motivations and you can't prove who's responsible for the negative opinions of the ACA, and so these two arguments can't be relied upon to accurately frame the crux of our discussion.

More importantly, they are, as I've said, literally irrelevant to anything either of us has said up to this point. The only two points of relevance are, one, that neither the ACA nor Trump had/has the moral mandate granted by majority support, and, two, that such a moral mandate is legally meaningless, and the extent of its authority is ONLY the extent to which the House and Senate choose to give a shit.

In a nut shell, Trump will do as Trump pleases and the rest of the world, this country will have to deal with it,....end of subject

Yeah, pretty much. Same thing everyone does in that office, these days. I'm not necessarily a fan of it, either, but if we manage to get through the next 4-8 years without going to war with Russia, I will be fairly confident that the electoral process turned out the lesser of those two evils.

LOLO...if you think for a second, Trump is gonna make it to 4 years without impeachment let alone 8, your buggin my friend. Already this guy has violated so many constitutional morays, the scent of impeachment is already in the air.

 

[tigerred59]

We already have the disaster of a Bush presidency ranked as the worst in post twentieth century

By whom?

An overwhelming number of historians not just at home, but abroad

No links? Just your word?

I found a legitimate poll that rates Obama as the worst. He and Carter (remember interest rates?,unemployment?, foreign policy? gas lines?).

Poll: Obama 'worst president' since World War II

A main reason why they ask presidential historians rather than partisan voters

Historians don't matter. Only the court of public opinion matters.
And yeah, most of those who are politically aware that are lefties, will say Bush 43 is the worst POTUS in history.
I think Jimmy Carter is BY FAR the worst POTUS in the history of the country. Although, people they were adults during the Hoover admin thought he was the worst.

Carter's only fault, as with most democrats is coming behind a fucked up GOP president, ie Ford and Nixon. He like most democrats inherit messes from conservatives and are expected to fix shit yesterday. Its a pattern the GOP has always had and its fact...they **** it up and democrats are expected to clean it up.