Third Intifada Simmering in Jerusalem: Who's to Blame?

[Shusha]

Perhaps not collecting Gaza taxes would be a start. It's not just the capacity to send troops, it is the fact that the Israelis do enter Gaza and wreak havoc on a regular basis.

Only when required to do so by its obligation to defend its citizens. That isn't occupation. That is just self-defense.

And again, end the attacks and there is no more conflict. Easy peasy.

 

[Humanity]

Perhaps not collecting Gaza taxes would be a start. It's not just the capacity to send troops, it is the fact that the Israelis do enter Gaza and wreak havoc on a regular basis.

Only when required to do so by its obligation to defend its citizens. That isn't occupation. That is just self-defense.

And again, end the attacks and there is no more conflict. Easy peasy.

The self defense argument simply doesn't stand up does it...

If it did then there wouldn't be any rocket fire would there!

 

[montelatici]

Perhaps not collecting Gaza taxes would be a start. It's not just the capacity to send troops, it is the fact that the Israelis do enter Gaza and wreak havoc on a regular basis.

Only when required to do so by its obligation to defend its citizens. That isn't occupation. That is just self-defense.

And again, end the attacks and there is no more conflict. Easy peasy.

End the occupation, including the sea/air blockade and allow Egypt to have normal border controls with Gaza, and there won't be any need for resistance.

 

[Kondor3]

Perhaps not collecting Gaza taxes would be a start. It's not just the capacity to send troops, it is the fact that the Israelis do enter Gaza and wreak havoc on a regular basis.

Only when required to do so by its obligation to defend its citizens. That isn't occupation. That is just self-defense.

And again, end the attacks and there is no more conflict. Easy peasy.

End the occupation, including the sea/air blockade and allow Egypt to have normal border controls with Gaza, and there won't be any need for resistance.

Stop trying to erase Israel and kill the Jews and the sea/air blockade would not have become necessary.

Then, again, enough of this which-came-first-chicken-or-egg bullshit.

Israel holds all the cards, and all the military muscle, and has long-since won this contest.

Foster a Third Intifada, and it will be the Last Intifada, and you will lose, forever more.

You don't have enough land remaining to you to make a winter quilt, let alone a sustainable nation-state.

You don't have a pot to piss in, the world is tired of your shit, and nobody really cares anymore what happens to you.

There is no Arab Cavalry coming over the hill to your rescue.

It's over.

There is, however, a better solution.

Live.

Leave.

You've been warned.

 

[montelatici]

The colonization of Palestine by Europeans started the conflict.

 

[Lipush]

The Israeli government. For not declaring "owner got crazy" and doing much more to stop this. Why should they feel safe if Jews in their own homeland don't feel safe.

 

[Hollie]

The colonization of Palestine by Europeans started the conflict.

Actually, the colonization of the Palestinian Territories by the Ottoman Crusaders started the conflict.

 

[montelatici]

It's not a European homeland. It's the homeland of the people whose ancestors had been living in Palestine for thousands of years.

 

[Kondor3]

It's not a European homeland. It's the homeland of the people whose ancestors had been living in Palestine for thousands of years.

No longer...

The Jews hold the 'pink slip' (title deed) now...

You've had your chance...

Several of them...

Over a span of 67 years...

Enough, already...

Time's up...

You can try launching a Third Intifada, if you think it will do you any good...

It will be the Last Intifada, but you won't believe that until you're (your side is) lying face-down in the gutter, cold as a mackerel...

You want it, you can have it....

Or you can choose life...

Leave...

 

[montelatici]

Palestinians (Christians and Muslims) aren't going anywhere and they now roughly equal the number Jews in the area under Israeli control. Demographics indicate they will be an increasing majority in the future. How long can Israel maintain control of an overwhelming majority in a generation or two? Again, they aren't going anywhere.

 

[Hollie]

It's not a European homeland. It's the homeland of the people whose ancestors had been living in Palestine for thousands of years.

Do you mean the Ottoman colonists who invaded and stole the land?

 

[aris2chat]

144. The Court notes that under international law (in particular Article 42 of the 1907 Hague Regulations) a territory is considered occupied when it is actually placed under the authority of a hostile army, “actual authority” being widely considered as translating to effective control and requiring such elements as presence of foreign troops, which are in a position to exercise effective control without the consent of the sovereign (see paragraph 94 above). On the basis of all the material before it and having regard to the above establishment of facts, the Court finds that <snip> is not occupied by or under the effective control of foreign forces as this would require a presence of foreign troops in <snip>.

This discusses the application of law to a different national entity. Why is international law different when discussing Israel?

Hamas supporters consider Israel occupied palestinian land. As long as Israel exists it will always be occupied palestinian land. Hence the problem

 

[aris2chat]

For those who feel that there is no "occupation" I urge you to watch this video...

Clear, concise and factual....

Reality Check: Gaza is still occupied

Jews can't just go visiting in gaza. No reason for "free" access to Israel. Hamas brought that problem on themselves when they went to war with Fatah and the WB. As for supplies, they have to pay for many of them, even paying the PA for their fuel, which they refuse to do quite often.
Supplies go in and out of gaza, just certain items are banned. Fishing area has doubled in size.
Hamas has the power to end this at any time, but they won't even speak to Israel or recognized it. Many countries have tight control of border control and requiring special visas to come and go. When not lobbing rockets at Israel, gazans can enter for many reason, but Israel will not allow them to flood into and wage war on Israel. When Israel is attacked they have a right to respond. The blockade is legal.

Egypt does not give gazans free access to the sinai. They only open the Rafah crossing a few days a year. Hamas brought that on themselves as well.

Israel pulled all Israelis out of gaza. It does not occupy that part of the land.

As long a hamas is calling for attacks and war on Israel, restrictions will remain. Blame hamas

Let me ask you a question....

When was it that the occupied and oppressed had "the power to end" the occupation and oppression?

Seems that is the wrong way round....

Israel should end its occupation and oppression of Gaza pure and simple...

Only the one IN power has the power to make that decision....

Then let's see if the potential Intifada starts!

Palestinians have turned down a number of peace agreements including part of jerusalem and land exchange.

Even a disarming, ending all attacks on Israelis and a unity government could have opened the blockade

Palestinians have always had the power to end the conflict.

 

[montelatici]

The Palestinians have never been offered a sovereign state. Stop lying. Had they been the conflict would have ended long ago.

 

[Indeependent]

The Palestinians have never been offered a sovereign state. Stop lying. Had they been the conflict would have ended long ago.

They can't run a town and you want them to have a nation?

 

[montelatici]

The Palestinians have never been offered a sovereign state. Stop lying. Had they been the conflict would have ended long ago.

They can't run a town and you want them to have a nation?

There you go. Any excuse is acceptable for not making a deal. But thanks for confirming that Aristo doesn't know what she is talking about.

 

[Hollie]

The Palestinians have never been offered a sovereign state. Stop lying. Had they been the conflict would have ended long ago.

That's so silly. The Pal'istanians never miss an opportunity to miss an opportunity.

 

[Indeependent]

The Palestinians have never been offered a sovereign state. Stop lying. Had they been the conflict would have ended long ago.

They can't run a town and you want them to have a nation?

There you go. Any excuse is acceptable for not making a deal. But thanks for confirming that Aristo doesn't know what she is talking about.

You deny the Roman Conquest of Israel and you deny any Modern day offers given the West Bank Jordanians for sovereignty.
What's there to discuss with you when you revise history to your agenda?

 

[montelatici]

Since there was no Israel for Rome to conquer, how can anyone deny it? Since there are no West Bank "Jordanians" , what's to deny?

 

[Indeependent]

Since there was no Israel for Rome to conquer, how can anyone deny it? Since there are no West Bank "Jordanians" , what's to deny?