Think College Costs Are Too High and Government Should Help Students?

[Weatherman2020]

Total waste of money for most of the students. Get them to become skilled tradespersons. Electricians, Welders, Carpenters, Truck Drivers, Plumbers etc.

Just what we need....millions of Electricians, Welders, Carpenters, Truck Drivers, Plumbers flooding the employment market

Mike Rowe just did a segment on a guy who started his own septic pumping company. Guy is a multi-millionaire now.

Or you can go get a Masters in something and slave away making someone else rich while you take home $34,000 a year.

Or if you go to college get a degree in something practical.

I started at $40k in 1999 with a ChemE degree and work in Environmental Engineering and now make $126k.

I probably could be making more if I jumped around from company to company, but I didn't

Those days are gone. I see kids hired in white collar jobs not making a lot more than minimum wage. And they make them salary and force them to work 80 hour weeks.

 

[Weatherman2020]

I think government should provide free or regulate how much state colleges can charge.

Free everything!!!

 

[gipper]

What should be done is make college education available to all online CHEAPLY. One professor could teach thousands of students, rather than a bunch of asshole profs making huge salaries and teaching as it it were 1950. This would eliminate the need for huge campuses full of the buildings that cost outrageous sums of money to build and maintain. No need for traveling to campus or paying for room and board on campus.

It is far past the time to eliminate the old ways of obtaining a college degree.

There is a reason why these online university degrees get no respect in the academic world. No one learns or retains a damn thing from computer based instruction. My daughter went the online route to stay home and take care of my granddaughter. She got a degree in criminal justice. When she applied to jobs requiring that degree, she never got a response. The general consensus was that no one in the right mind would hire someone with an online degree because they had no practical experience. On other words, they laugh at those degrees!

Another example is teachers who get their master's in educational leadership online in order to become administrators. If you find yourself working for an asshole or dumb ass, it is always easy to trace to the fact they have a degree they received online. I worked for one vice principal and with another assistant principal who qualified on both counts. They were complete wastes of good oxygen and sterling examples of the Peter Principle.

Time for this to change.

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

What should be done is make college education available to all online CHEAPLY. One professor could teach thousands of students, rather than a bunch of asshole profs making huge salaries and teaching as it it were 1950. This would eliminate the need for huge campuses full of the buildings that cost outrageous sums of money to build and maintain. No need for traveling to campus or paying for room and board on campus.

It is far past the time to eliminate the old ways of obtaining a college degree.

There is a reason why these online university degrees get no respect in the academic world. No one learns or retains a damn thing from computer based instruction. My daughter went the online route to stay home and take care of my granddaughter. She got a degree in criminal justice. When she applied to jobs requiring that degree, she never got a response. The general consensus was that no one in the right mind would hire someone with an online degree because they had no practical experience. On other words, they laugh at those degrees!

Another example is teachers who get their master's in educational leadership online in order to become administrators. If you find yourself working for an asshole or dumb ass, it is always easy to trace to the fact they have a degree they received online. I worked for one vice principal and with another assistant principal who qualified on both counts. They were complete wastes of good oxygen and sterling examples of the Peter Principle.

Time for this to change.

Good luck with that! Despite all of the support from people like you, it simply is a fact that people learn better from people instead of computers.

 

[gipper]

What should be done is make college education available to all online CHEAPLY. One professor could teach thousands of students, rather than a bunch of asshole profs making huge salaries and teaching as it it were 1950. This would eliminate the need for huge campuses full of the buildings that cost outrageous sums of money to build and maintain. No need for traveling to campus or paying for room and board on campus.

It is far past the time to eliminate the old ways of obtaining a college degree.

There is a reason why these online university degrees get no respect in the academic world. No one learns or retains a damn thing from computer based instruction. My daughter went the online route to stay home and take care of my granddaughter. She got a degree in criminal justice. When she applied to jobs requiring that degree, she never got a response. The general consensus was that no one in the right mind would hire someone with an online degree because they had no practical experience. On other words, they laugh at those degrees!

Another example is teachers who get their master's in educational leadership online in order to become administrators. If you find yourself working for an asshole or dumb ass, it is always easy to trace to the fact they have a degree they received online. I worked for one vice principal and with another assistant principal who qualified on both counts. They were complete wastes of good oxygen and sterling examples of the Peter Principle.

Time for this to change.

Good luck with that! Despite all of the support from people like you, it simply is a fact that people learn better from people instead of computers.

You are still learning from people when online. Online lectures from a qualified professor is done and readily possible for all college courses. Many college courses have dozens to hundreds of students listening to a lecture. These students often NEVER speak face to face with the prof. At any rate with Skype and Facetime, face to face instruction can be had over the internet in real time.

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

What should be done is make college education available to all online CHEAPLY. One professor could teach thousands of students, rather than a bunch of asshole profs making huge salaries and teaching as it it were 1950. This would eliminate the need for huge campuses full of the buildings that cost outrageous sums of money to build and maintain. No need for traveling to campus or paying for room and board on campus.

It is far past the time to eliminate the old ways of obtaining a college degree.

There is a reason why these online university degrees get no respect in the academic world. No one learns or retains a damn thing from computer based instruction. My daughter went the online route to stay home and take care of my granddaughter. She got a degree in criminal justice. When she applied to jobs requiring that degree, she never got a response. The general consensus was that no one in the right mind would hire someone with an online degree because they had no practical experience. On other words, they laugh at those degrees!

Another example is teachers who get their master's in educational leadership online in order to become administrators. If you find yourself working for an asshole or dumb ass, it is always easy to trace to the fact they have a degree they received online. I worked for one vice principal and with another assistant principal who qualified on both counts. They were complete wastes of good oxygen and sterling examples of the Peter Principle.

Time for this to change.

Good luck with that! Despite all of the support from people like you, it simply is a fact that people learn better from people instead of computers.

You are still learning from people when online. Online lectures from a qualified professor is done and readily possible for all college courses. Many college courses have dozens to hundreds of students listening to a lecture. These students often NEVER speak face to face with the prof. At any rate with Skype and Facetime, face to face instruction can be had over the internet in real time.

You are not getting it!


IT DOESN'T WORK AS WELL AS YOU THINK IT DOES!

That's why they don't get hired.

 

[gipper]

What should be done is make college education available to all online CHEAPLY. One professor could teach thousands of students, rather than a bunch of asshole profs making huge salaries and teaching as it it were 1950. This would eliminate the need for huge campuses full of the buildings that cost outrageous sums of money to build and maintain. No need for traveling to campus or paying for room and board on campus.

It is far past the time to eliminate the old ways of obtaining a college degree.

There is a reason why these online university degrees get no respect in the academic world. No one learns or retains a damn thing from computer based instruction. My daughter went the online route to stay home and take care of my granddaughter. She got a degree in criminal justice. When she applied to jobs requiring that degree, she never got a response. The general consensus was that no one in the right mind would hire someone with an online degree because they had no practical experience. On other words, they laugh at those degrees!

Another example is teachers who get their master's in educational leadership online in order to become administrators. If you find yourself working for an asshole or dumb ass, it is always easy to trace to the fact they have a degree they received online. I worked for one vice principal and with another assistant principal who qualified on both counts. They were complete wastes of good oxygen and sterling examples of the Peter Principle.

Time for this to change.

Good luck with that! Despite all of the support from people like you, it simply is a fact that people learn better from people instead of computers.

You are still learning from people when online. Online lectures from a qualified professor is done and readily possible for all college courses. Many college courses have dozens to hundreds of students listening to a lecture. These students often NEVER speak face to face with the prof. At any rate with Skype and Facetime, face to face instruction can be had over the internet in real time.

You are not getting it!


IT DOESN'T WORK AS WELL AS YOU THINK IT DOES!

That's why they don't get hired.

Go away

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

There is a reason why these online university degrees get no respect in the academic world. No one learns or retains a damn thing from computer based instruction. My daughter went the online route to stay home and take care of my granddaughter. She got a degree in criminal justice. When she applied to jobs requiring that degree, she never got a response. The general consensus was that no one in the right mind would hire someone with an online degree because they had no practical experience. On other words, they laugh at those degrees!

Another example is teachers who get their master's in educational leadership online in order to become administrators. If you find yourself working for an asshole or dumb ass, it is always easy to trace to the fact they have a degree they received online. I worked for one vice principal and with another assistant principal who qualified on both counts. They were complete wastes of good oxygen and sterling examples of the Peter Principle.

Time for this to change.

Good luck with that! Despite all of the support from people like you, it simply is a fact that people learn better from people instead of computers.

You are still learning from people when online. Online lectures from a qualified professor is done and readily possible for all college courses. Many college courses have dozens to hundreds of students listening to a lecture. These students often NEVER speak face to face with the prof. At any rate with Skype and Facetime, face to face instruction can be had over the internet in real time.

You are not getting it!


IT DOESN'T WORK AS WELL AS YOU THINK IT DOES!

That's why they don't get hired.

Go away

I take that as your being unable to respond. Typical.

 

[Wild Flower]

Total waste of money for most of the students. Get them to become skilled tradespersons. Electricians, Welders, Carpenters, Truck Drivers, Plumbers etc.

Just what we need....millions of Electricians, Welders, Carpenters, Truck Drivers, Plumbers flooding the employment market

I think there is a shortage of electricians, Truck drivers and especially plumbers. It's because kids who should of gone to those professions are pushed to go to colleges.

 

[Wild Flower]

Total waste of money for most of the students. Get them to become skilled tradespersons. Electricians, Welders, Carpenters, Truck Drivers, Plumbers etc.

Just what we need....millions of Electricians, Welders, Carpenters, Truck Drivers, Plumbers flooding the employment market

Mike Rowe just did a segment on a guy who started his own septic pumping company. Guy is a multi-millionaire now.

Or you can go get a Masters in something and slave away making someone else rich while you take home $34,000 a year.

What the hell did they study to make so little a year?

 

[Wild Flower]

What should be done is make college education available to all online CHEAPLY. One professor could teach thousands of students, rather than a bunch of asshole profs making huge salaries and teaching as it it were 1950. This would eliminate the need for huge campuses full of the buildings that cost outrageous sums of money to build and maintain. No need for traveling to campus or paying for room and board on campus.

It is far past the time to eliminate the old ways of obtaining a college degree.

There is a reason why these online university degrees get no respect in the academic world. No one learns or retains a damn thing from computer based instruction. My daughter went the online route to stay home and take care of my granddaughter. She got a degree in criminal justice. When she applied to jobs requiring that degree, she never got a response. The general consensus was that no one in the right mind would hire someone with an online degree because they had no practical experience. On other words, they laugh at those degrees!

Another example is teachers who get their master's in educational leadership online in order to become administrators. If you find yourself working for an asshole or dumb ass, it is always easy to trace to the fact they have a degree they received online. I worked for one vice principal and with another assistant principal who qualified on both counts. They were complete wastes of good oxygen and sterling examples of the Peter Principle.

Time for this to change.

Good luck with that! Despite all of the support from people like you, it simply is a fact that people learn better from people instead of computers.

You are still learning from people when online. Online lectures from a qualified professor is done and readily possible for all college courses. Many college courses have dozens to hundreds of students listening to a lecture. These students often NEVER speak face to face with the prof. At any rate with Skype and Facetime, face to face instruction can be had over the internet in real time.

Those kids often go to office hours to speak to the professors. Online learning is only good for a very small percentage of people. Kids don't have enough discipline to always listen to every lecture online or do the home work that is needed to reinforce the concepts.

 

[gipper]

What should be done is make college education available to all online CHEAPLY. One professor could teach thousands of students, rather than a bunch of asshole profs making huge salaries and teaching as it it were 1950. This would eliminate the need for huge campuses full of the buildings that cost outrageous sums of money to build and maintain. No need for traveling to campus or paying for room and board on campus.

It is far past the time to eliminate the old ways of obtaining a college degree.

There is a reason why these online university degrees get no respect in the academic world. No one learns or retains a damn thing from computer based instruction. My daughter went the online route to stay home and take care of my granddaughter. She got a degree in criminal justice. When she applied to jobs requiring that degree, she never got a response. The general consensus was that no one in the right mind would hire someone with an online degree because they had no practical experience. On other words, they laugh at those degrees!

Another example is teachers who get their master's in educational leadership online in order to become administrators. If you find yourself working for an asshole or dumb ass, it is always easy to trace to the fact they have a degree they received online. I worked for one vice principal and with another assistant principal who qualified on both counts. They were complete wastes of good oxygen and sterling examples of the Peter Principle.

Time for this to change.

Good luck with that! Despite all of the support from people like you, it simply is a fact that people learn better from people instead of computers.

You are still learning from people when online. Online lectures from a qualified professor is done and readily possible for all college courses. Many college courses have dozens to hundreds of students listening to a lecture. These students often NEVER speak face to face with the prof. At any rate with Skype and Facetime, face to face instruction can be had over the internet in real time.

Those kids often go to office hours to speak to the professors. Online learning is only good for a very small percentage of people. Kids don't have enough discipline to always listen to every lecture online or do the home work that is needed to reinforce the concepts.

That is a generalization.

 

[rightwinger]

What should be done is make college education available to all online CHEAPLY. One professor could teach thousands of students, rather than a bunch of asshole profs making huge salaries and teaching as it it were 1950. This would eliminate the need for huge campuses full of the buildings that cost outrageous sums of money to build and maintain. No need for traveling to campus or paying for room and board on campus.

It is far past the time to eliminate the old ways of obtaining a college degree.

There is a reason why these online university degrees get no respect in the academic world. No one learns or retains a damn thing from computer based instruction. My daughter went the online route to stay home and take care of my granddaughter. She got a degree in criminal justice. When she applied to jobs requiring that degree, she never got a response. The general consensus was that no one in the right mind would hire someone with an online degree because they had no practical experience. On other words, they laugh at those degrees!

Another example is teachers who get their master's in educational leadership online in order to become administrators. If you find yourself working for an asshole or dumb ass, it is always easy to trace to the fact they have a degree they received online. I worked for one vice principal and with another assistant principal who qualified on both counts. They were complete wastes of good oxygen and sterling examples of the Peter Principle.

Time for this to change.

Good luck with that! Despite all of the support from people like you, it simply is a fact that people learn better from people instead of computers.

You are still learning from people when online. Online lectures from a qualified professor is done and readily possible for all college courses. Many college courses have dozens to hundreds of students listening to a lecture. These students often NEVER speak face to face with the prof. At any rate with Skype and Facetime, face to face instruction can be had over the internet in real time.

Those kids often go to office hours to speak to the professors. Online learning is only good for a very small percentage of people. Kids don't have enough discipline to always listen to every lecture online or do the home work that is needed to reinforce the concepts.

If you do not have the discipline ....you do not pass
That is the way it works

 

[rightwinger]

Total waste of money for most of the students. Get them to become skilled tradespersons. Electricians, Welders, Carpenters, Truck Drivers, Plumbers etc.

Just what we need....millions of Electricians, Welders, Carpenters, Truck Drivers, Plumbers flooding the employment market

I think there is a shortage of electricians, Truck drivers and especially plumbers. It's because kids who should of gone to those professions are pushed to go to colleges.

Actually, the reason there is a shortage is because those fields are difficult and not any slob off the street can do them

 

[Marion Morrison]

"Government helping students" is why college costs are so high.

When they agreed to subsidize student loans, admission standards dropped and the cost of everything skyrocketed.

When it's backed by Uncle Sugar, everybody wants a piece of it; Administrators most of all.

Get Uncle Sugar away from college, and things will get better.

 

[martybegan]

Total waste of money for most of the students. Get them to become skilled tradespersons. Electricians, Welders, Carpenters, Truck Drivers, Plumbers etc.

Just what we need....millions of Electricians, Welders, Carpenters, Truck Drivers, Plumbers flooding the employment market

Mike Rowe just did a segment on a guy who started his own septic pumping company. Guy is a multi-millionaire now.

Or you can go get a Masters in something and slave away making someone else rich while you take home $34,000 a year.

Or if you go to college get a degree in something practical.

I started at $40k in 1999 with a ChemE degree and work in Environmental Engineering and now make $126k.

I probably could be making more if I jumped around from company to company, but I didn't

Those days are gone. I see kids hired in white collar jobs not making a lot more than minimum wage. And they make them salary and force them to work 80 hour weeks.

Engineers today can start out the gate at $65-75k depending on their specialty.

 

[gipper]

There is a reason why these online university degrees get no respect in the academic world. No one learns or retains a damn thing from computer based instruction. My daughter went the online route to stay home and take care of my granddaughter. She got a degree in criminal justice. When she applied to jobs requiring that degree, she never got a response. The general consensus was that no one in the right mind would hire someone with an online degree because they had no practical experience. On other words, they laugh at those degrees!

Another example is teachers who get their master's in educational leadership online in order to become administrators. If you find yourself working for an asshole or dumb ass, it is always easy to trace to the fact they have a degree they received online. I worked for one vice principal and with another assistant principal who qualified on both counts. They were complete wastes of good oxygen and sterling examples of the Peter Principle.

Time for this to change.

Good luck with that! Despite all of the support from people like you, it simply is a fact that people learn better from people instead of computers.

You are still learning from people when online. Online lectures from a qualified professor is done and readily possible for all college courses. Many college courses have dozens to hundreds of students listening to a lecture. These students often NEVER speak face to face with the prof. At any rate with Skype and Facetime, face to face instruction can be had over the internet in real time.

Those kids often go to office hours to speak to the professors. Online learning is only good for a very small percentage of people. Kids don't have enough discipline to always listen to every lecture online or do the home work that is needed to reinforce the concepts.

If you do not have the discipline ....you do not pass
That is the way it works

We are debating college education, not grade school. Those in disagreement seem to think we are promoting online instruction for grade school.

When one is in college, they better focus and be committed. If they aren't, they get weeded out quickly either with online instruction or on-campus instruction.

Time for college education to get with the 21st century.

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

Time for this to change.

Good luck with that! Despite all of the support from people like you, it simply is a fact that people learn better from people instead of computers.

You are still learning from people when online. Online lectures from a qualified professor is done and readily possible for all college courses. Many college courses have dozens to hundreds of students listening to a lecture. These students often NEVER speak face to face with the prof. At any rate with Skype and Facetime, face to face instruction can be had over the internet in real time.

Those kids often go to office hours to speak to the professors. Online learning is only good for a very small percentage of people. Kids don't have enough discipline to always listen to every lecture online or do the home work that is needed to reinforce the concepts.

If you do not have the discipline ....you do not pass
That is the way it works

We are debating college education, not grade school. Those in disagreement seem to think we are promoting online instruction for grade school.

When one is in college, they better focus and be committed. If they aren't, they get weeded out quickly either with online instruction or on-campus instruction.

Time for college education to get with the 21st century.

I don't know what you are talking about, but you definitely did not read my posts. Graduates of online schools do not learn as well as those who attend actual classes. They do not retain the information and come across as lacking in knowledge in the work place. Their performance is subpar.

It's very similar to those tech schools, such as Devry, ITT Tech, etc. that separate you from your hard earned cash and give you a nice piece of paper to hang on your wall. Then when you go to find a job, they hire you at the same pay rate as a high school graduate because you really don't know much more than they do.

As I said, when someone tells me they graduated from schools like the University of Phoenix I have to actually struggle to keep a straight face because I see the word "SUCKER!" in bright red letters across their forehead!

 

[gipper]

Good luck with that! Despite all of the support from people like you, it simply is a fact that people learn better from people instead of computers.

You are still learning from people when online. Online lectures from a qualified professor is done and readily possible for all college courses. Many college courses have dozens to hundreds of students listening to a lecture. These students often NEVER speak face to face with the prof. At any rate with Skype and Facetime, face to face instruction can be had over the internet in real time.

Those kids often go to office hours to speak to the professors. Online learning is only good for a very small percentage of people. Kids don't have enough discipline to always listen to every lecture online or do the home work that is needed to reinforce the concepts.

If you do not have the discipline ....you do not pass
That is the way it works

We are debating college education, not grade school. Those in disagreement seem to think we are promoting online instruction for grade school.

When one is in college, they better focus and be committed. If they aren't, they get weeded out quickly either with online instruction or on-campus instruction.

Time for college education to get with the 21st century.

I don't know what you are talking about, but you definitely did not read my posts. Graduates of online schools do not learn as well as those who attend actual classes. They do not retain the information and come across as lacking in knowledge in the work place. Their performance is subpar.

It's very similar to those tech schools, such as Devry, ITT Tech, etc. that separate you from your hard earned cash and give you a nice piece of paper to hang on your wall. Then when you go to find a job, they hire you at the same pay rate as a high school graduate because you really don't know much more than they do.

As I said, when someone tells me they graduated from schools like the University of Phoenix I have to actually struggle to keep a straight face because I see the word "SUCKER!" in bright red letters across their forehead!

BS stated by a teacher.

Don't you think you are a little bit biased, or are you that dumb?

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

You are still learning from people when online. Online lectures from a qualified professor is done and readily possible for all college courses. Many college courses have dozens to hundreds of students listening to a lecture. These students often NEVER speak face to face with the prof. At any rate with Skype and Facetime, face to face instruction can be had over the internet in real time.

Those kids often go to office hours to speak to the professors. Online learning is only good for a very small percentage of people. Kids don't have enough discipline to always listen to every lecture online or do the home work that is needed to reinforce the concepts.

If you do not have the discipline ....you do not pass
That is the way it works

We are debating college education, not grade school. Those in disagreement seem to think we are promoting online instruction for grade school.

When one is in college, they better focus and be committed. If they aren't, they get weeded out quickly either with online instruction or on-campus instruction.

Time for college education to get with the 21st century.

I don't know what you are talking about, but you definitely did not read my posts. Graduates of online schools do not learn as well as those who attend actual classes. They do not retain the information and come across as lacking in knowledge in the work place. Their performance is subpar.

It's very similar to those tech schools, such as Devry, ITT Tech, etc. that separate you from your hard earned cash and give you a nice piece of paper to hang on your wall. Then when you go to find a job, they hire you at the same pay rate as a high school graduate because you really don't know much more than they do.

As I said, when someone tells me they graduated from schools like the University of Phoenix I have to actually struggle to keep a straight face because I see the word "SUCKER!" in bright red letters across their forehead!

BS stated by a teacher.

Don't you think you are a little bit biased, or are you that dumb?

I am not biased at all. I have seen it with my own eyes.

BTW, just FYI, I am no longer teaching because no one wants to pay an old man to teach when they can pay two kids fresh out of college. Don't tell me that doesn't happen, because it happened the last two places I worked. This year, with about 50 applications submitted and no interviews, I think the writing is on the wall.