They had the "American Dream" but gave it all up for jihad

[Tilly]

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It's not that simple. In order to understand the behaviors, we must isolate the key long-term motivators.
The DIFFERENTIATORS that lead individuals to ACTION.
There are other young Muslims who are sympathetic to ISIS crapology, but would not do the acts we witnessed in SoCal.
And then there are over a BILLION other Muslims who are non-violent and abhor what those 2 cold-blooded assholes did.
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How do you know over a billion Muslims abhor what the two cold blooded assholes did?

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PK1 is an extra-terrestrial and can read a billion minds all at once?

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funny how you didn't address his point.

well, not funny.... typical.

the reality is most don't support violence and you can't blow up a billion people to get a small percentage who are terrorists. when you do that, they just make more...

Again, how do you KNOW what most Muslims THINK?

we know that most people are not terrorists.

what's your response? round them all up? yeah, because that worked so well in WWII with japanese americans.

What happened after you rounded up the Japs in ww2?

 

[frigidweirdo]

Photos, toys and Muslim books seen inside San Bernardino killers' home

Another explanation for why we can't assume terrorists are angry young men with no career prospects.

This couple had a child which they dropped off at grannie's while then went of and got themselves killed.

They had everything a young couple can have, and they threw it away, and now their baby is an orphan.

The American Dream huh?

The American dream is to be told by your president (Bush) and the right wing, how much of a terrorist you are, day in, day out. And then when you decide to become a terrorist, they don't understand it.

Another one who thinks Muslims are so stupid if you tell them they are extremists the members of the religion of peace become extremists and blow us all to kingdom come. You don't have much respect for them, do you?

Oh please, you twist stuff and then make out something that simply isn't true.

 

[Tilly]

Photos, toys and Muslim books seen inside San Bernardino killers' home

Another explanation for why we can't assume terrorists are angry young men with no career prospects.

This couple had a child which they dropped off at grannie's while then went of and got themselves killed.

They had everything a young couple can have, and they threw it away, and now their baby is an orphan.

The American Dream huh?

The American dream is to be told by your president (Bush) and the right wing, how much of a terrorist you are, day in, day out. And then when you decide to become a terrorist, they don't understand it.

Another one who thinks Muslims are so stupid if you tell them they are extremists the members of the religion of peace become extremists and blow us all to kingdom come. You don't have much respect for them, do you?

Oh please, you twist stuff and then make out something that simply isn't true.

Not at all. You really need to examine this paternalistic, excusing, patronising and enabling attitude. An attitude that is actually insulting to all adults, and particularly Muslims in this context. If you are called a murderer, i am pretty confident that won't make you become one. If I believed otherwise, I'm sure you'd find that pretty damn insulting. Why do you not afford adult Muslims the same degree of respect you'd like? How are you, btw. I hope you are well.

 

[Tilly]

Photos, toys and Muslim books seen inside San Bernardino killers' home

Another explanation for why we can't assume terrorists are angry young men with no career prospects.

This couple had a child which they dropped off at grannie's while then went of and got themselves killed.

They had everything a young couple can have, and they threw it away, and now their baby is an orphan.

an orphan who will be hated because of what her parents did.

they're going to have to move and change this kid's name.

How many Americans are going to 'hate' a baby?
They might wonder how the parents raised a jihadi psychopath on US soil, of course.

you know that the kids of ethel and julius rosenberg had huge problems and, in fact, did change their last name, right?

that's what happens.

I just read their names weren't changed until they were adopted. Pretty standard practice.

 

[jillian]

Photos, toys and Muslim books seen inside San Bernardino killers' home

Another explanation for why we can't assume terrorists are angry young men with no career prospects.

This couple had a child which they dropped off at grannie's while then went of and got themselves killed.

They had everything a young couple can have, and they threw it away, and now their baby is an orphan.

an orphan who will be hated because of what her parents did.

they're going to have to move and change this kid's name.

How many Americans are going to 'hate' a baby?
They might wonder how the parents raised a jihadi psychopath on US soil, of course.

you know that the kids of ethel and julius rosenberg had huge problems and, in fact, did change their last name, right?

that's what happens.

I just read their names weren't changed until they were adopted. Pretty standard practice.

maybe you should read about the kids. they had huge problems all their lives.

and in the case of the rosenberg kids, they were not adopted at birth. their names were intentionally changed and they hid who they were as much as they could

 

[Tilly]

Photos, toys and Muslim books seen inside San Bernardino killers' home

Another explanation for why we can't assume terrorists are angry young men with no career prospects.

This couple had a child which they dropped off at grannie's while then went of and got themselves killed.

They had everything a young couple can have, and they threw it away, and now their baby is an orphan.

an orphan who will be hated because of what her parents did.

they're going to have to move and change this kid's name.

How many Americans are going to 'hate' a baby?
They might wonder how the parents raised a jihadi psychopath on US soil, of course.

you know that the kids of ethel and julius rosenberg had huge problems and, in fact, did change their last name, right?

that's what happens.

I just read their names weren't changed until they were adopted. Pretty standard practice.

maybe you should read about the kids. they had huge problems all their lives.

and in the case of the rosenberg kids, they were not adopted at birth. their names were intentionally changed and they hid who they were as much as they could

I doubt very much that today's Americans are going to HATE a baby. I asked you how many Americans you think are going to HATE a baby, and you tell me about stuff form over half a century ago when people believed secrets regarding atomic weapons were being passed to the USSR which could mean bye bye America. Anyway, regardless of the fact you believe Americans are going to make a child life hell, I personally would change the child's name so he/she would not have to experience feelings of shame associated with it, even though the child > adult should feel nothing of the sort.

 

[jillian]

an orphan who will be hated because of what her parents did.

they're going to have to move and change this kid's name.

How many Americans are going to 'hate' a baby?
They might wonder how the parents raised a jihadi psychopath on US soil, of course.

you know that the kids of ethel and julius rosenberg had huge problems and, in fact, did change their last name, right?

that's what happens.

I just read their names weren't changed until they were adopted. Pretty standard practice.

maybe you should read about the kids. they had huge problems all their lives.

and in the case of the rosenberg kids, they were not adopted at birth. their names were intentionally changed and they hid who they were as much as they could

I doubt very much that today's Americans are going to HATE a baby. I asked you how many Americans you think are going to HATE a baby, and you tell me about stuff form over half a century ago when people believed secrets regarding atomic weapons were being passed to the USSR which could mean bye bye America. Anyway, regardless of the fact you believe Americans are going to make a child life hell, I personally would change the child's name so he/she would not have to experience feelings of shame associated with it, even though the child > adult should feel nothing of the sort.

rightwingnuts hate anyone who isn't a white christian. why would your people act any differently with this muslim child.

you think there aren't going to be cruel little jerks repeating what their parents say?

your "speculation" is duly noted. mine has actual roots in reality. but ok.

 

[Tilly]

How many Americans are going to 'hate' a baby?
They might wonder how the parents raised a jihadi psychopath on US soil, of course.

you know that the kids of ethel and julius rosenberg had huge problems and, in fact, did change their last name, right?

that's what happens.

I just read their names weren't changed until they were adopted. Pretty standard practice.

maybe you should read about the kids. they had huge problems all their lives.

and in the case of the rosenberg kids, they were not adopted at birth. their names were intentionally changed and they hid who they were as much as they could

I doubt very much that today's Americans are going to HATE a baby. I asked you how many Americans you think are going to HATE a baby, and you tell me about stuff form over half a century ago when people believed secrets regarding atomic weapons were being passed to the USSR which could mean bye bye America. Anyway, regardless of the fact you believe Americans are going to make a child life hell, I personally would change the child's name so he/she would not have to experience feelings of shame associated with it, even though the child > adult should feel nothing of the sort.

rightwingnuts hate anyone who isn't a white christian. why would your people act any differently with this muslim child.

you think there aren't going to be cruel little jerks repeating what their parents say?

your "speculation" is duly noted. mine has actual roots in reality. but ok.

I don't know what you mean by 'your people', perhaps you could elucidate? And now you seem to be moving the goalposts to the child will be hated by right wing people because it's not white Christian. So what are right wing people in the US doing to non white non christian children?

 

[Tilly]

Jillion, you do know that the families of white murderers often move home and change the names of the murderers offspring, and even their own, don't you? Racism is not a factor.

 

[frigidweirdo]

Photos, toys and Muslim books seen inside San Bernardino killers' home

Another explanation for why we can't assume terrorists are angry young men with no career prospects.

This couple had a child which they dropped off at grannie's while then went of and got themselves killed.

They had everything a young couple can have, and they threw it away, and now their baby is an orphan.

The American Dream huh?

The American dream is to be told by your president (Bush) and the right wing, how much of a terrorist you are, day in, day out. And then when you decide to become a terrorist, they don't understand it.

Another one who thinks Muslims are so stupid if you tell them they are extremists the members of the religion of peace become extremists and blow us all to kingdom come. You don't have much respect for them, do you?

Oh please, you twist stuff and then make out something that simply isn't true.

Not at all. You really need to examine this paternalistic, excusing, patronising and enabling attitude. An attitude that is actually insulting to all adults, and particularly Muslims in this context. If you are called a murderer, i am pretty confident that won't make you become one. If I believed otherwise, I'm sure you'd find that pretty damn insulting. Why do you not afford adult Muslims the same degree of respect you'd like? How are you, btw. I hope you are well.

Again, you're twisting things, making out something that simply wasn't there, then trying to hammer it home. I didn't say what you seem to think I said. So.....

I'm going to attack you for calling JFK a ******, happy now?

 

[Tilly]

Photos, toys and Muslim books seen inside San Bernardino killers' home

Another explanation for why we can't assume terrorists are angry young men with no career prospects.

This couple had a child which they dropped off at grannie's while then went of and got themselves killed.

They had everything a young couple can have, and they threw it away, and now their baby is an orphan.

The American Dream huh?

The American dream is to be told by your president (Bush) and the right wing, how much of a terrorist you are, day in, day out. And then when you decide to become a terrorist, they don't understand it.

Another one who thinks Muslims are so stupid if you tell them they are extremists the members of the religion of peace become extremists and blow us all to kingdom come. You don't have much respect for them, do you?

Oh please, you twist stuff and then make out something that simply isn't true.

Not at all. You really need to examine this paternalistic, excusing, patronising and enabling attitude. An attitude that is actually insulting to all adults, and particularly Muslims in this context. If you are called a murderer, i am pretty confident that won't make you become one. If I believed otherwise, I'm sure you'd find that pretty damn insulting. Why do you not afford adult Muslims the same degree of respect you'd like? How are you, btw. I hope you are well.

Again, you're twisting things, making out something that simply wasn't there, then trying to hammer it home. I didn't say what you seem to think I said. So.....

I'm going to attack you for calling JFK a ******, happy now?

Meh.. If you like I really do think you need to examine how insulting you are being to Muslims, making out they are like spoilt children who react murderously to words, even though I know you mean well by it. Please stop getting so angry, I'm not attempting to upset you, and I hope you are well.

 

[Rotagilla]

Photos, toys and Muslim books seen inside San Bernardino killers' home

Another explanation for why we can't assume terrorists are angry young men with no career prospects.

This couple had a child which they dropped off at grannie's while then went of and got themselves killed.

They had everything a young couple can have, and they threw it away, and now their baby is an orphan.

The American Dream huh?

The American dream is to be told by your president (Bush) and the right wing, how much of a terrorist you are, day in, day out. And then when you decide to become a terrorist, they don't understand it.

Another one who thinks Muslims are so stupid if you tell them they are extremists the members of the religion of peace become extremists and blow us all to kingdom come. You don't have much respect for them, do you?

those "people" you're trying to have a mature discussion with are just hyperpartisan agitators of the oppressed people's socialist party (democrats)...no matter what position you take they will oppose it if it is counter to the DNC and their ideology. It offers them a chance to grandstand for their pals and say outrageous inflammatory things.
No matter WHAT the gay manchurian muslim in the whitehouse says or does, they make excuses for "him" and blame the opposition.
They just HAD to have their "black" president and whatever he does they support..it proves they aren't "racists" and it shows how "progressive" they are...they're dug in and can't retreat and still save face, so they double down and support whatever anti american agenda the gay manchurian muslim is pushing.

 

[Tilly]

Photos, toys and Muslim books seen inside San Bernardino killers' home

Another explanation for why we can't assume terrorists are angry young men with no career prospects.

This couple had a child which they dropped off at grannie's while then went of and got themselves killed.

They had everything a young couple can have, and they threw it away, and now their baby is an orphan.

The American Dream huh?

The American dream is to be told by your president (Bush) and the right wing, how much of a terrorist you are, day in, day out. And then when you decide to become a terrorist, they don't understand it.

Another one who thinks Muslims are so stupid if you tell them they are extremists the members of the religion of peace become extremists and blow us all to kingdom come. You don't have much respect for them, do you?

those "people" you're trying to have a mature discussion with are just hyperpartisan agitators of the oppressed people's socialist party (democrats)...no matter what position you take they will oppose it if it is counter to the DNC and their ideology. It offers them a chance to grandstand for their pals and say outrageous inflammatory things.
No matter WHAT the gay manchurian muslim in the whitehouse says or does, they make excuses for "him" and blame the opposition.
They just HAD to have their "black" president and whatever he does they support..it proves they aren't "racists" and it shows how "progressive" they are...they're dug in and can't retreat and still save face, so they double down and support whatever anti american agenda the gay manchurian muslim is pushing.

Well said. And the knots they tie themselves up in in order to maintain their position are hilarious. There are so many absurdities, they used to support women's rights, now they can't wait to foist as many of the mysoginistic cretins on us as possible, and believe it's a 'right' for women to walk around shrouded and masked in black, with a slit for their eyes, unable to eat sensibly, getting vitamin D deficiency and all its attendant physical and mental health issues, even though this is not a religious requirement and is simply an expression of the Muslim males mysoginy and militant wahabi militancy. They will force their young girls to suffer this nonsense too, right under our noses. Where are the loud mouthed feminists? Scared? Why don't the libtards care about women's rights anymore? Scared? Who knows. They are sometimes, on issues such as these, unfathomable to me.

 

[PK1]

Well, religion is a very overwhelming and compelling thing to many and when the book (the Quran) which is the basis of the religion, clearly and vividly demands that you kill all those who do not convert or obey their religious laws, it is no surprise when the followers rise up and start doing as ordered by their false prophet.

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It's not that simple. In order to understand the behaviors, we must isolate the key long-term motivators.
The DIFFERENTIATORS that lead individuals to ACTION.
There are other young Muslims who are sympathetic to ISIS crapology, but would not do the acts we witnessed in SoCal.
And then there are over a BILLION other Muslims who are non-violent and abhor what those 2 cold-blooded assholes did.
.

How do you know over a billion Muslims abhor what the two cold blooded assholes did?

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Good point; i really don't know what a billion Muslims think.
You also don't know what a billion Christians think.
We can only guess from their overt behaviors that come to our attention.
.

 

[Tilly]

Well, religion is a very overwhelming and compelling thing to many and when the book (the Quran) which is the basis of the religion, clearly and vividly demands that you kill all those who do not convert or obey their religious laws, it is no surprise when the followers rise up and start doing as ordered by their false prophet.

---
It's not that simple. In order to understand the behaviors, we must isolate the key long-term motivators.
The DIFFERENTIATORS that lead individuals to ACTION.
There are other young Muslims who are sympathetic to ISIS crapology, but would not do the acts we witnessed in SoCal.
And then there are over a BILLION other Muslims who are non-violent and abhor what those 2 cold-blooded assholes did.
.

How do you know over a billion Muslims abhor what the two cold blooded assholes did?

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Good point; i really don't know what a billion Muslims think.
You also don't know what a billion Christians think.
We can only guess from their overt behaviors that come to our attention.
.

I've never claimed to know what a billion anything thinks. But thank you for your polite response and for not calling me a moron. Makes such a nice change on here

 

[PK1]

... support whatever anti american agenda the gay manchurian muslim is pushing.

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A gay muslim? What else do you fantasize that you discuss with your Dr while lying on the couch?
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[Rotagilla]

... support whatever anti american agenda the gay manchurian muslim is pushing.

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A gay muslim? What else do you fantasize that you discuss with your Dr while lying on the couch?
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yes..barry is a gay muslim...you doubt it?

 

[PK1]

Well, religion is a very overwhelming and compelling thing to many and when the book (the Quran) which is the basis of the religion, clearly and vividly demands that you kill all those who do not convert or obey their religious laws, it is no surprise when the followers rise up and start doing as ordered by their false prophet.

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It's not that simple. In order to understand the behaviors, we must isolate the key long-term motivators.
The DIFFERENTIATORS that lead individuals to ACTION.
There are other young Muslims who are sympathetic to ISIS crapology, but would not do the acts we witnessed in SoCal.
And then there are over a BILLION other Muslims who are non-violent and abhor what those 2 cold-blooded assholes did.
.

How do you know over a billion Muslims abhor what the two cold blooded assholes did?

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Good point; i really don't know what a billion Muslims think.
You also don't know what a billion Christians think.
We can only guess from their overt behaviors that come to our attention.
.

I've never claimed to know what a billion anything thinks. But thank you for your polite response and for not calling me a moron. Makes such a nice change on here

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You appear rational. I wish i could say the same about some other posters!
.

 

[PK1]

... support whatever anti american agenda the gay manchurian muslim is pushing.

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A gay muslim? What else do you fantasize that you discuss with your Dr while lying on the couch?
.

yes..barry is a gay muslim...you doubt it?

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You know he's gay because ... you had or tried having sex with him ... in your mind?
And he's muslim because ...?
.

 

[Rotagilla]

... support whatever anti american agenda the gay manchurian muslim is pushing.

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A gay muslim? What else do you fantasize that you discuss with your Dr while lying on the couch?
.

yes..barry is a gay muslim...you doubt it?

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You know he's gay because ... you had or tried having sex with him ... in your mind?
And he's muslim because ...?
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I know how to read and there is ample evidence that even you could find if you wanted to look.
First hand accounts of sex and cocaine with obama...having sex with men = "gay".
..are you going to pretend that you've never heard about him having sex with men and doing cocaine?.

but go ahead and try to change the subject...