"They are not terrorists"? South under Hamas' fire, AGAIN

[Phoenall]

I didn't know you find the truth humorous.....

It is just an Israeli talking point. Nobody has ever proved it to be true.

Care to change your POV

The Arab-Israeli War of 1948 - 1945 1952 - Milestones - Office of the Historian


The Arab-Israeli War of 1948
The Arab-Israeli War of 1948 broke out when five Arab nations invaded territory in the former Palestinian mandate immediately following the announcement of the independence of the state of Israel on May 14, 1948. In 1947, and again on May 14, 1948, the United States had offered de facto recognition of the Israeli Provisional Government, but during the war, the United States maintained an arms embargo against all belligerents.

The United Nations resolution sparked conflict between Jewish and Arab groups within Palestine. Fighting began with attacks by irregular bands of Palestinian Arabs attached to local units of the Arab Liberation Army composed of volunteers from Palestine and neighboring Arab countries

Where does it say that Israel was attacked?

Provide the quote.

The Arab-Israeli War of 1948 broke out when five Arab nations invaded territory in the former Palestinian mandate immediately following the announcement of the independence of the state of Israel on May 14, 1948


The only land that was territory in the former Palestinian mandate was Israel, seeing as the arab muslims declined the offers.

Could you post a 1948 map of Israel? Then we could discuss where Israel was invaded.

 

[Phoenall]

It's not one rocket, idiot. It's every day breaching of all agreements. Just because it doesn't always reach national media doesn't make it NOT news-worthy

Probably because the IDF censors out all their violations for "national security reasons"

Israel was in breach of the ceasefire agreement from the moment they signed it, and they are still in breach of the agreement....

And they wonder why Hamas fire rockets into Israel!

LINK ? from a non partisan source ?

Not that it hasn't been posted enough times already...

94 Israeli Ceasefire Violations Since August - International Middle East Media Center

A partisan source that will LIE to suit its ISLAMONAZI agenda

 

[P F Tinmore]

This one is always good for a laugh.

I didn't know you find the truth humorous.....

It is just an Israeli talking point. Nobody has ever proved it to be true.

Sure we have. But you are allergic to the truth.

I could provide you with 20 valid links all which prove the point, and you would STILL deny it. That's just who you are. You don't abide by facts, you abide by Tinmore facts.
So, who attacked who first in the 1948 war ?

Good question.

Was it the Palestinians in their own country?

Or

The foreigners who came to take over the land?

BTW, there was no country to take over, that is a Palestinian lie. Jews came to establish a state like had been promised to them by the British. There was NO OTHER COUNTRY THEIR AT THE TIME.

Sure there was. The Mandate for Palestine charter called Palestine a country ten times. Then it passed the citizenship order saying that the Palestinians were citizens of Palestine.

This should give you a hint as to whose country it is.

 

[P F Tinmore]

This one is always good for a laugh.

I didn't know you find the truth humorous.....

It is just an Israeli talking point. Nobody has ever proved it to be true.

Care to change your POV

The Arab-Israeli War of 1948 - 1945 1952 - Milestones - Office of the Historian


The Arab-Israeli War of 1948
The Arab-Israeli War of 1948 broke out when five Arab nations invaded territory in the former Palestinian mandate immediately following the announcement of the independence of the state of Israel on May 14, 1948. In 1947, and again on May 14, 1948, the United States had offered de facto recognition of the Israeli Provisional Government, but during the war, the United States maintained an arms embargo against all belligerents.

The United Nations resolution sparked conflict between Jewish and Arab groups within Palestine. Fighting began with attacks by irregular bands of Palestinian Arabs attached to local units of the Arab Liberation Army composed of volunteers from Palestine and neighboring Arab countries

Where does it say that Israel was attacked?

Provide the quote.

" Immediately on being granted its independence, Israel was attacked by a number of Arab nations"

Israel and the 1948 War

After Israel declared its independence on May 14, 1948, the fighting intensified with other Arab forces joining the Palestinian Arabs in attacking territory in the former Palestinian mandate. On the eve of May 14, the Arabs launched an air attack on Tel Aviv, which the Israelis resisted. This action was followed by the invasion of the former Palestinian mandate by Arab armies from Lebanon, Syria, Iraq, and Egypt.

The Arab-Israeli War of 1948 - 1945 1952 - Milestones - Office of the Historian​

Post a 1948 map of Israel showing where anyone entered Israel.

 

[Humanity]

It's not one rocket, idiot. It's every day breaching of all agreements. Just because it doesn't always reach national media doesn't make it NOT news-worthy

Probably because the IDF censors out all their violations for "national security reasons"

Israel was in breach of the ceasefire agreement from the moment they signed it, and they are still in breach of the agreement....

And they wonder why Hamas fire rockets into Israel!

LINK ? from a non partisan source ?

Not that it hasn't been posted enough times already...

94 Israeli Ceasefire Violations Since August - International Middle East Media Center

A partisan source that will LIE to suit its ISLAMONAZI agenda

Too lazy to seek out the truth Phoney... Thats your problem!

It's not hard, I'm sure you could manage it...

Copy a few words, paste into Google and then you can read all the "non partisan" links to your hearts content!

You see, I posted a link now you go off and disprove it with YOUR links.... Thats how it works!

 

[RoccoR]

P F Tinmore, et al,

As usual, you are being very tricky.

I didn't know you find the truth humorous.....

It is just an Israeli talking point. Nobody has ever proved it to be true.

Care to change your POV

The Arab-Israeli War of 1948 - 1945 1952 - Milestones - Office of the Historian

The Arab-Israeli War of 1948
The Arab-Israeli War of 1948 broke out when five Arab nations invaded territory in the former Palestinian mandate immediately following the announcement of the independence of the state of Israel on May 14, 1948. In 1947, and again on May 14, 1948, the United States had offered de facto recognition of the Israeli Provisional Government, but during the war, the United States maintained an arms embargo against all belligerents.

The United Nations resolution sparked conflict between Jewish and Arab groups within Palestine. Fighting began with attacks by irregular bands of Palestinian Arabs attached to local units of the Arab Liberation Army composed of volunteers from Palestine and neighboring Arab countries

Where does it say that Israel was attacked?

Provide the quote.

The Arab-Israeli War of 1948 broke out when five Arab nations invaded territory in the former Palestinian mandate immediately following the announcement of the independence of the state of Israel on May 14, 1948

The only land that was territory in the former Palestinian mandate was Israel, seeing as the arab muslims declined the offers.

Could you post a 1948 map of Israel? Then we could discuss where Israel was invaded.

(COMMENT)

The question is not a matter of borders for Israel. It is the matter of were did the Arab Armies go once they crossed their borders and entered UN Trusteeship Territory under arms. No Israeli Force crossed into Sovereign Arab Territory (Lebanon, Syria, Jordan, Egypt). Thus in order for the forces to engage, the aggressor crossing over its borders and entering into military engagements with Israeli Forces must have been the invaders.

• No pro-Arab-Palestinian is going to accept any depiction of the war that demonstrated the Arab as the Aggressor. They have, for more than half a century, made it a practice to be the virtual victim.

Remember, that Jordanian Forces captured the West Bank and the Egyptian Forces captured the Gaza Strip. At the termination of hostilities, neither the Egyptians or Jordanians returned the captured territories to trustee status. Jordan annex the territory with Palestinians acceptance and the Egyptians established the All-Palestine Government and a Military Governorship. The conflict was --- an invasion for the purpose of territorial expansion --- under the disguised political aim of protecting the Arab Palestinians.

(TODAY)

There is no question then, as a matter of history, the conflict of 1948-1949 between the Israelis and the four Arab Nations that participated in the conflict against Israel, is merely a reference. There are Peace Treaties between the Israel and the two major war Arab States (Jordan and Egypt). While a state of war still exists between Israel and the remaining tow adjacent Arab States (Lebanon and Syria); the likelihood that Syria will survive under its present form of government is doubtfully. And that will impact the state of war between Syria and Israel. If IS (Islamic State) takes Syria, and the Assad Regime falls, then Lebanon and Jordan will be in peril.

The other Arab States see this. And the realize that the West Bank and Gaza Strip will become the side-show for a much greater --- unfolding drama.

IF you are truly concerned about the Arab Palestinian people, then --- work for a settlement --- as opposed to --- justifications for a continuation of armed struggle. A greater shadow is coming. And the Arab Palestinian risks loosing any support it has with the West and the Arab World as it turns to face the oncoming threat of Jihadists.

Most Respectfully,
R

 

[toastman]

I didn't know you find the truth humorous.....

It is just an Israeli talking point. Nobody has ever proved it to be true.

Care to change your POV

The Arab-Israeli War of 1948 - 1945 1952 - Milestones - Office of the Historian


The Arab-Israeli War of 1948
The Arab-Israeli War of 1948 broke out when five Arab nations invaded territory in the former Palestinian mandate immediately following the announcement of the independence of the state of Israel on May 14, 1948. In 1947, and again on May 14, 1948, the United States had offered de facto recognition of the Israeli Provisional Government, but during the war, the United States maintained an arms embargo against all belligerents.

The United Nations resolution sparked conflict between Jewish and Arab groups within Palestine. Fighting began with attacks by irregular bands of Palestinian Arabs attached to local units of the Arab Liberation Army composed of volunteers from Palestine and neighboring Arab countries

Where does it say that Israel was attacked?

Provide the quote.

" Immediately on being granted its independence, Israel was attacked by a number of Arab nations"

Israel and the 1948 War

After Israel declared its independence on May 14, 1948, the fighting intensified with other Arab forces joining the Palestinian Arabs in attacking territory in the former Palestinian mandate. On the eve of May 14, the Arabs launched an air attack on Tel Aviv, which the Israelis resisted. This action was followed by the invasion of the former Palestinian mandate by Arab armies from Lebanon, Syria, Iraq, and Egypt.

The Arab-Israeli War of 1948 - 1945 1952 - Milestones - Office of the Historian​

Post a 1948 map of Israel showing where anyone entered Israel.

You already asked for links that say that the Arabs attacked Israel, and I provided you with many. Now you are just deflecting because you can't handle the truth. You do this all the time.
If they didn't enter Israel, it's because Israeli forces didn't allow them.

But once again, nice duck !

 

[toastman]

I didn't know you find the truth humorous.....

It is just an Israeli talking point. Nobody has ever proved it to be true.

Sure we have. But you are allergic to the truth.

I could provide you with 20 valid links all which prove the point, and you would STILL deny it. That's just who you are. You don't abide by facts, you abide by Tinmore facts.
So, who attacked who first in the 1948 war ?

Good question.

Was it the Palestinians in their own country?

Or

The foreigners who came to take over the land?

BTW, there was no country to take over, that is a Palestinian lie. Jews came to establish a state like had been promised to them by the British. There was NO OTHER COUNTRY THEIR AT THE TIME.

Sure there was. The Mandate for Palestine charter called Palestine a country ten times. Then it passed the citizenship order saying that the Palestinians were citizens of Palestine.

This should give you a hint as to whose country it is.

No, it wasn't a country. Palestine the sovereign state was founded in 1988. You cannot dispute that.

 

[P F Tinmore]

P F Tinmore, et al,

As usual, you are being very tricky.

It is just an Israeli talking point. Nobody has ever proved it to be true.

Care to change your POV

The Arab-Israeli War of 1948 - 1945 1952 - Milestones - Office of the Historian

The Arab-Israeli War of 1948
The Arab-Israeli War of 1948 broke out when five Arab nations invaded territory in the former Palestinian mandate immediately following the announcement of the independence of the state of Israel on May 14, 1948. In 1947, and again on May 14, 1948, the United States had offered de facto recognition of the Israeli Provisional Government, but during the war, the United States maintained an arms embargo against all belligerents.

The United Nations resolution sparked conflict between Jewish and Arab groups within Palestine. Fighting began with attacks by irregular bands of Palestinian Arabs attached to local units of the Arab Liberation Army composed of volunteers from Palestine and neighboring Arab countries

Where does it say that Israel was attacked?

Provide the quote.

The Arab-Israeli War of 1948 broke out when five Arab nations invaded territory in the former Palestinian mandate immediately following the announcement of the independence of the state of Israel on May 14, 1948

The only land that was territory in the former Palestinian mandate was Israel, seeing as the arab muslims declined the offers.

Could you post a 1948 map of Israel? Then we could discuss where Israel was invaded.

(COMMENT)

The question is not a matter of borders for Israel. It is the matter of were did the Arab Armies go once they crossed their borders and entered UN Trusteeship Territory under arms. No Israeli Force crossed into Sovereign Arab Territory (Lebanon, Syria, Jordan, Egypt). Thus in order for the forces to engage, the aggressor crossing over its borders and entering into military engagements with Israeli Forces must have been the invaders.

You really do not need to confuse the issue.

The Arab armies crossed Palestine's international borders and engaged Israeli forces inside Palestine. By the time the Arab armies entered Palestine, Israeli forces had already driven over 300,000 unarmed Palestinian civilians from their homes and occupied that land. Israeli forces continued to do so all through the war and continued even after the armistice agreements.

Israel declared statehood without land or borders. Since it is illegal to acquire land through force, Israel signed the armistice agreements acknowledging that it had no land or borders.

• No pro-Arab-Palestinian is going to accept any depiction of the war that demonstrated the Arab as the Aggressor. They have, for more than half a century, made it a practice to be the virtual victim.

Remember, that Jordanian Forces captured the West Bank and the Egyptian Forces captured the Gaza Strip. At the termination of hostilities, neither the Egyptians or Jordanians returned the captured territories to trustee status. Jordan annex the territory with Palestinians acceptance and the Egyptians established the All-Palestine Government and a Military Governorship. The conflict was --- an invasion for the purpose of territorial expansion --- under the disguised political aim of protecting the Arab Palestinians.

(TODAY)

There is no question then, as a matter of history, the conflict of 1948-1949 between the Israelis and the four Arab Nations that participated in the conflict against Israel, is merely a reference. There are Peace Treaties between the Israel and the two major war Arab States (Jordan and Egypt). While a state of war still exists between Israel and the remaining tow adjacent Arab States (Lebanon and Syria); the likelihood that Syria will survive under its present form of government is doubtfully. And that will impact the state of war between Syria and Israel. If IS (Islamic State) takes Syria, and the Assad Regime falls, then Lebanon and Jordan will be in peril.

The other Arab States see this. And the realize that the West Bank and Gaza Strip will become the side-show for a much greater --- unfolding drama.

IF you are truly concerned about the Arab Palestinian people, then --- work for a settlement --- as opposed to --- justifications for a continuation of armed struggle. A greater shadow is coming. And the Arab Palestinian risks loosing any support it has with the West and the Arab World as it turns to face the oncoming threat of Jihadists.

Most Respectfully,
R

Even thought the Arab armies changed the outcome of the war they had no bearing on Palestine's legal status.

 

[P F Tinmore]

It is just an Israeli talking point. Nobody has ever proved it to be true.

Care to change your POV

The Arab-Israeli War of 1948 - 1945 1952 - Milestones - Office of the Historian


The Arab-Israeli War of 1948
The Arab-Israeli War of 1948 broke out when five Arab nations invaded territory in the former Palestinian mandate immediately following the announcement of the independence of the state of Israel on May 14, 1948. In 1947, and again on May 14, 1948, the United States had offered de facto recognition of the Israeli Provisional Government, but during the war, the United States maintained an arms embargo against all belligerents.

The United Nations resolution sparked conflict between Jewish and Arab groups within Palestine. Fighting began with attacks by irregular bands of Palestinian Arabs attached to local units of the Arab Liberation Army composed of volunteers from Palestine and neighboring Arab countries

Where does it say that Israel was attacked?

Provide the quote.

" Immediately on being granted its independence, Israel was attacked by a number of Arab nations"

Israel and the 1948 War

After Israel declared its independence on May 14, 1948, the fighting intensified with other Arab forces joining the Palestinian Arabs in attacking territory in the former Palestinian mandate. On the eve of May 14, the Arabs launched an air attack on Tel Aviv, which the Israelis resisted. This action was followed by the invasion of the former Palestinian mandate by Arab armies from Lebanon, Syria, Iraq, and Egypt.

The Arab-Israeli War of 1948 - 1945 1952 - Milestones - Office of the Historian​

Post a 1948 map of Israel showing where anyone entered Israel.

You already asked for links that say that the Arabs attacked Israel, and I provided you with many. Now you are just deflecting because you can't handle the truth. You do this all the time.
If they didn't enter Israel, it's because Israeli forces didn't allow them.

But once again, nice duck !

They didn't enter Israel because they could not find it on the map.

Do you have a 1948 map of Israel?

 

[toastman]

Care to change your POV

The Arab-Israeli War of 1948 - 1945 1952 - Milestones - Office of the Historian


The Arab-Israeli War of 1948
The Arab-Israeli War of 1948 broke out when five Arab nations invaded territory in the former Palestinian mandate immediately following the announcement of the independence of the state of Israel on May 14, 1948. In 1947, and again on May 14, 1948, the United States had offered de facto recognition of the Israeli Provisional Government, but during the war, the United States maintained an arms embargo against all belligerents.

The United Nations resolution sparked conflict between Jewish and Arab groups within Palestine. Fighting began with attacks by irregular bands of Palestinian Arabs attached to local units of the Arab Liberation Army composed of volunteers from Palestine and neighboring Arab countries

Where does it say that Israel was attacked?

Provide the quote.

" Immediately on being granted its independence, Israel was attacked by a number of Arab nations"

Israel and the 1948 War

After Israel declared its independence on May 14, 1948, the fighting intensified with other Arab forces joining the Palestinian Arabs in attacking territory in the former Palestinian mandate. On the eve of May 14, the Arabs launched an air attack on Tel Aviv, which the Israelis resisted. This action was followed by the invasion of the former Palestinian mandate by Arab armies from Lebanon, Syria, Iraq, and Egypt.

The Arab-Israeli War of 1948 - 1945 1952 - Milestones - Office of the Historian​

Post a 1948 map of Israel showing where anyone entered Israel.

You already asked for links that say that the Arabs attacked Israel, and I provided you with many. Now you are just deflecting because you can't handle the truth. You do this all the time.
If they didn't enter Israel, it's because Israeli forces didn't allow them.

But once again, nice duck !

They didn't enter Israel because they could not find it on the map.

Do you have a 1948 map of Israel?

Nice Duck

 

[toastman]

P F Tinmore, et al,

As usual, you are being very tricky.

Care to change your POV

The Arab-Israeli War of 1948 - 1945 1952 - Milestones - Office of the Historian

The Arab-Israeli War of 1948
The Arab-Israeli War of 1948 broke out when five Arab nations invaded territory in the former Palestinian mandate immediately following the announcement of the independence of the state of Israel on May 14, 1948. In 1947, and again on May 14, 1948, the United States had offered de facto recognition of the Israeli Provisional Government, but during the war, the United States maintained an arms embargo against all belligerents.

The United Nations resolution sparked conflict between Jewish and Arab groups within Palestine. Fighting began with attacks by irregular bands of Palestinian Arabs attached to local units of the Arab Liberation Army composed of volunteers from Palestine and neighboring Arab countries

Where does it say that Israel was attacked?

Provide the quote.

The Arab-Israeli War of 1948 broke out when five Arab nations invaded territory in the former Palestinian mandate immediately following the announcement of the independence of the state of Israel on May 14, 1948

The only land that was territory in the former Palestinian mandate was Israel, seeing as the arab muslims declined the offers.

Could you post a 1948 map of Israel? Then we could discuss where Israel was invaded.

(COMMENT)

The question is not a matter of borders for Israel. It is the matter of were did the Arab Armies go once they crossed their borders and entered UN Trusteeship Territory under arms. No Israeli Force crossed into Sovereign Arab Territory (Lebanon, Syria, Jordan, Egypt). Thus in order for the forces to engage, the aggressor crossing over its borders and entering into military engagements with Israeli Forces must have been the invaders.

You really do not need to confuse the issue.

The Arab armies crossed Palestine's international borders and engaged Israeli forces inside Palestine. By the time the Arab armies entered Palestine, Israeli forces had already driven over 300,000 unarmed Palestinian civilians from their homes and occupied that land. Israeli forces continued to do so all through the war and continued even after the armistice agreements.

Israel declared statehood without land or borders. Since it is illegal to acquire land through force, Israel signed the armistice agreements acknowledging that it had no land or borders.

• No pro-Arab-Palestinian is going to accept any depiction of the war that demonstrated the Arab as the Aggressor. They have, for more than half a century, made it a practice to be the virtual victim.

Remember, that Jordanian Forces captured the West Bank and the Egyptian Forces captured the Gaza Strip. At the termination of hostilities, neither the Egyptians or Jordanians returned the captured territories to trustee status. Jordan annex the territory with Palestinians acceptance and the Egyptians established the All-Palestine Government and a Military Governorship. The conflict was --- an invasion for the purpose of territorial expansion --- under the disguised political aim of protecting the Arab Palestinians.

(TODAY)

There is no question then, as a matter of history, the conflict of 1948-1949 between the Israelis and the four Arab Nations that participated in the conflict against Israel, is merely a reference. There are Peace Treaties between the Israel and the two major war Arab States (Jordan and Egypt). While a state of war still exists between Israel and the remaining tow adjacent Arab States (Lebanon and Syria); the likelihood that Syria will survive under its present form of government is doubtfully. And that will impact the state of war between Syria and Israel. If IS (Islamic State) takes Syria, and the Assad Regime falls, then Lebanon and Jordan will be in peril.

The other Arab States see this. And the realize that the West Bank and Gaza Strip will become the side-show for a much greater --- unfolding drama.

IF you are truly concerned about the Arab Palestinian people, then --- work for a settlement --- as opposed to --- justifications for a continuation of armed struggle. A greater shadow is coming. And the Arab Palestinian risks loosing any support it has with the West and the Arab World as it turns to face the oncoming threat of Jihadists.

Most Respectfully,
R

Even thought the Arab armies changed the outcome of the war they had no bearing on Palestine's legal status.

100% false. I provided you with 5 links that said Arab armies attacked Israel.

You need to understand that it doesn't matter if YOU don't recognize Israel. Israel was there in 1948 and still is.

It's obvious that you are not capable of handling the truth/

 

[toastman]

P F Tinmore, et al,

As usual, you are being very tricky.

Care to change your POV

The Arab-Israeli War of 1948 - 1945 1952 - Milestones - Office of the Historian

The Arab-Israeli War of 1948
The Arab-Israeli War of 1948 broke out when five Arab nations invaded territory in the former Palestinian mandate immediately following the announcement of the independence of the state of Israel on May 14, 1948. In 1947, and again on May 14, 1948, the United States had offered de facto recognition of the Israeli Provisional Government, but during the war, the United States maintained an arms embargo against all belligerents.

The United Nations resolution sparked conflict between Jewish and Arab groups within Palestine. Fighting began with attacks by irregular bands of Palestinian Arabs attached to local units of the Arab Liberation Army composed of volunteers from Palestine and neighboring Arab countries

Where does it say that Israel was attacked?

Provide the quote.

The Arab-Israeli War of 1948 broke out when five Arab nations invaded territory in the former Palestinian mandate immediately following the announcement of the independence of the state of Israel on May 14, 1948

The only land that was territory in the former Palestinian mandate was Israel, seeing as the arab muslims declined the offers.

Could you post a 1948 map of Israel? Then we could discuss where Israel was invaded.

(COMMENT)

The question is not a matter of borders for Israel. It is the matter of were did the Arab Armies go once they crossed their borders and entered UN Trusteeship Territory under arms. No Israeli Force crossed into Sovereign Arab Territory (Lebanon, Syria, Jordan, Egypt). Thus in order for the forces to engage, the aggressor crossing over its borders and entering into military engagements with Israeli Forces must have been the invaders.

You really do not need to confuse the issue.

The Arab armies crossed Palestine's international borders and engaged Israeli forces inside Palestine. By the time the Arab armies entered Palestine, Israeli forces had already driven over 300,000 unarmed Palestinian civilians from their homes and occupied that land. Israeli forces continued to do so all through the war and continued even after the armistice agreements.

Israel declared statehood without land or borders. Since it is illegal to acquire land through force, Israel signed the armistice agreements acknowledging that it had no land or borders.

• No pro-Arab-Palestinian is going to accept any depiction of the war that demonstrated the Arab as the Aggressor. They have, for more than half a century, made it a practice to be the virtual victim.

Remember, that Jordanian Forces captured the West Bank and the Egyptian Forces captured the Gaza Strip. At the termination of hostilities, neither the Egyptians or Jordanians returned the captured territories to trustee status. Jordan annex the territory with Palestinians acceptance and the Egyptians established the All-Palestine Government and a Military Governorship. The conflict was --- an invasion for the purpose of territorial expansion --- under the disguised political aim of protecting the Arab Palestinians.

(TODAY)

There is no question then, as a matter of history, the conflict of 1948-1949 between the Israelis and the four Arab Nations that participated in the conflict against Israel, is merely a reference. There are Peace Treaties between the Israel and the two major war Arab States (Jordan and Egypt). While a state of war still exists between Israel and the remaining tow adjacent Arab States (Lebanon and Syria); the likelihood that Syria will survive under its present form of government is doubtfully. And that will impact the state of war between Syria and Israel. If IS (Islamic State) takes Syria, and the Assad Regime falls, then Lebanon and Jordan will be in peril.

The other Arab States see this. And the realize that the West Bank and Gaza Strip will become the side-show for a much greater --- unfolding drama.

IF you are truly concerned about the Arab Palestinian people, then --- work for a settlement --- as opposed to --- justifications for a continuation of armed struggle. A greater shadow is coming. And the Arab Palestinian risks loosing any support it has with the West and the Arab World as it turns to face the oncoming threat of Jihadists.

Most Respectfully,
R

Even thought the Arab armies changed the outcome of the war they had no bearing on Palestine's legal status.

"Since it is illegal to acquire land through force, Israel signed the armistice agreements acknowledging that it had no land or borders."

This is easily in the top 3 of the dumbest comments you've made. Israel signed Armistice lines but has no land ? Do you understand what those line were for? The lines were between Israel and Arab states, not Palestine and Arab states,

Where are your links that back up these ridiculous claims ?

 

[toastman]

P F Tinmore, et al,

As usual, you are being very tricky.

Care to change your POV

The Arab-Israeli War of 1948 - 1945 1952 - Milestones - Office of the Historian

The Arab-Israeli War of 1948
The Arab-Israeli War of 1948 broke out when five Arab nations invaded territory in the former Palestinian mandate immediately following the announcement of the independence of the state of Israel on May 14, 1948. In 1947, and again on May 14, 1948, the United States had offered de facto recognition of the Israeli Provisional Government, but during the war, the United States maintained an arms embargo against all belligerents.

The United Nations resolution sparked conflict between Jewish and Arab groups within Palestine. Fighting began with attacks by irregular bands of Palestinian Arabs attached to local units of the Arab Liberation Army composed of volunteers from Palestine and neighboring Arab countries

Where does it say that Israel was attacked?

Provide the quote.

The Arab-Israeli War of 1948 broke out when five Arab nations invaded territory in the former Palestinian mandate immediately following the announcement of the independence of the state of Israel on May 14, 1948

The only land that was territory in the former Palestinian mandate was Israel, seeing as the arab muslims declined the offers.

Could you post a 1948 map of Israel? Then we could discuss where Israel was invaded.

(COMMENT)

The question is not a matter of borders for Israel. It is the matter of were did the Arab Armies go once they crossed their borders and entered UN Trusteeship Territory under arms. No Israeli Force crossed into Sovereign Arab Territory (Lebanon, Syria, Jordan, Egypt). Thus in order for the forces to engage, the aggressor crossing over its borders and entering into military engagements with Israeli Forces must have been the invaders.

You really do not need to confuse the issue.

The Arab armies crossed Palestine's international borders and engaged Israeli forces inside Palestine. By the time the Arab armies entered Palestine, Israeli forces had already driven over 300,000 unarmed Palestinian civilians from their homes and occupied that land. Israeli forces continued to do so all through the war and continued even after the armistice agreements.

Israel declared statehood without land or borders. Since it is illegal to acquire land through force, Israel signed the armistice agreements acknowledging that it had no land or borders.

• No pro-Arab-Palestinian is going to accept any depiction of the war that demonstrated the Arab as the Aggressor. They have, for more than half a century, made it a practice to be the virtual victim.

Remember, that Jordanian Forces captured the West Bank and the Egyptian Forces captured the Gaza Strip. At the termination of hostilities, neither the Egyptians or Jordanians returned the captured territories to trustee status. Jordan annex the territory with Palestinians acceptance and the Egyptians established the All-Palestine Government and a Military Governorship. The conflict was --- an invasion for the purpose of territorial expansion --- under the disguised political aim of protecting the Arab Palestinians.

(TODAY)

There is no question then, as a matter of history, the conflict of 1948-1949 between the Israelis and the four Arab Nations that participated in the conflict against Israel, is merely a reference. There are Peace Treaties between the Israel and the two major war Arab States (Jordan and Egypt). While a state of war still exists between Israel and the remaining tow adjacent Arab States (Lebanon and Syria); the likelihood that Syria will survive under its present form of government is doubtfully. And that will impact the state of war between Syria and Israel. If IS (Islamic State) takes Syria, and the Assad Regime falls, then Lebanon and Jordan will be in peril.

The other Arab States see this. And the realize that the West Bank and Gaza Strip will become the side-show for a much greater --- unfolding drama.

IF you are truly concerned about the Arab Palestinian people, then --- work for a settlement --- as opposed to --- justifications for a continuation of armed struggle. A greater shadow is coming. And the Arab Palestinian risks loosing any support it has with the West and the Arab World as it turns to face the oncoming threat of Jihadists.

Most Respectfully,
R

Even thought the Arab armies changed the outcome of the war they had no bearing on Palestine's legal status.

Link ?

 

[toastman]

The Arabs attacked Israeli cities and that is what started the 1948 war. You cannot argue with facts.

" On the eve of May 14, the Arabs launched an air attack on Tel Aviv, which the Israelis resisted. This action was followed by the invasion of the former Palestinian mandate by Arab armies from Lebanon, Syria, Iraq, and Egypt. Saudi Arabia sent a formation that fought under the Egyptian command."

The Arab-Israeli War of 1948 - 1945 1952 - Milestones - Office of the Historian

" Immediately on being granted its independence, Israel was attacked by a number of Arab nations"

Israel and the 1948 War


"As independence was declared, Arab forces from Egypt, Syria, Transjordan (later Jordan), Lebanon, and Iraq invaded Israel."



http://www.infoplease.com/encyclopedia/history/arab-israeli-wars-the-1948-49-war.html

 

[toastman]

Palestinians created this shit by attacking Israel in 1948. All rest is result of their agression.

This one is always good for a laugh.

I didn't know you find the truth humorous.....

It is just an Israeli talking point. Nobody has ever proved it to be true.

Sure we have. But you are allergic to the truth.

I could provide you with 20 valid links all which prove the point, and you would STILL deny it. That's just who you are. You don't abide by facts, you abide by Tinmore facts.
So, who attacked who first in the 1948 war ?

Seems you can't even provide one, never mind 20. Poor attempt at evasion, claiming PF Tinmore "would still deny it" Provide those 20 "valid" links and we'll see.

Are you serious ? I provided 3 links before this post of yours idiot.

Tinmore does the same thing all the time. He asks someone for a link to back up their statement and once they provide that link which clearly says the same thing they did, Tinmore starts asking other questions. He simply cannot handle the truth. He's been wrong about everything.

 

[Billo_Really]

Evidence that he was an unarmed civilian and not an armed terrorist,

No, you provide evidence he was.

The rules are simple stay away from the fence and you wont get hurt,

Israel has no jurisdiction on the Gaza side of the fence.

same rules as in the USA when the Mexicans try and cross the border.

He wasn't crossing a border, idiot.

How many dead Mexican children do you have on your hands shot by your soldiers ?

Not as many as you inhuman fuckers have.

 

[Billo_Really]

The Arabs attacked Israeli cities and that is what started the 1948 war. You cannot argue with facts.

" On the eve of May 14, the Arabs launched an air attack on Tel Aviv, which the Israelis resisted. This action was followed by the invasion of the former Palestinian mandate by Arab armies from Lebanon, Syria, Iraq, and Egypt. Saudi Arabia sent a formation that fought under the Egyptian command."

The Arab-Israeli War of 1948 - 1945 1952 - Milestones - Office of the Historian

" Immediately on being granted its independence, Israel was attacked by a number of Arab nations"

Israel and the 1948 War


"As independence was declared, Arab forces from Egypt, Syria, Transjordan (later Jordan), Lebanon, and Iraq invaded Israel."



http://www.infoplease.com/encyclopedia/history/arab-israeli-wars-the-1948-49-war.html

They weren't granted independence, they declared it.

 

[toastman]

Evidence that he was an unarmed civilian and not an armed terrorist,

No, you provide evidence he was.

The rules are simple stay away from the fence and you wont get hurt,

Israel has no jurisdiction on the Gaza side of the fence.

same rules as in the USA when the Mexicans try and cross the border.

He wasn't crossing a border, idiot.

How many dead Mexican children do you have on your hands shot by your soldiers ?

Not as many as you inhuman fuckers have.

Single I.Q Palestinians are responsible for their situation. Palestinian mentality = When you are in a hole, keep digging.

 

[Billo_Really]

Palestinians created this shit by attacking Israel in 1948. All rest is result of their agression.

And for 20 years before that...

They treat the Arabs with hostility and cruelty, deprive them of their rights, offend them without cause and even boast of these deeds; and nobody among us opposes this despicable and dangerous inclination.
- Ahad Ha'am

...if you hadn't driven over 700,000 residents away with you Jewish terrorist groups, there wouldn't have been an Arab attack.