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Are we saying once impoverished people can become millionaires if they scam the welfare system enough? like welfare queens and such? Sounds dubious with not facts backing it up other than your assertion.
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McResources "Help" Line - YouTube
Are we saying once impoverished people can become millionaires if they scam the welfare system enough? like welfare queens and such? Sounds dubious with not facts backing it up other than your assertion.
For a good time, watch:
McResources "Help" Line - YouTube
Not sure how it's so complicated that detailed example is needed.
If you currently have one trillion dollars in assets, but you're earned income is less than the poverty line, then this government will not only not charge you any income tax, but it will also gladly send you welfare checks because clearly your income level makes you poor in their eyes.
However, if you have no assets and are living hand to mouth each week on income that is well over the poverty line, this government will do it's damnedest to make sure you don't accumulate any assets by taxing your income as punishment for working.
Incorrect. Getting welfare requires passing a means test, part of that test includes listing any assets, such as trillions of dollars in the bank. Failure to list those assets could result in major penalties.
Sorry, but you are wrong. There are many welfare programs that do not have an asset test. For example, Obama Care does not have an asset test. The requirement to receive said subsidies is you promise you don't have employer provided health care, and you don't have income over the limits. Thus you can be a billionaire and get subsidized health care.Are we saying once impoverished people can become millionaires if they scam the welfare system enough? like welfare queens and such? Sounds dubious with not facts backing it up other than your assertion.
For a good time, watch:
McResources "Help" Line - YouTube
Not sure how it's so complicated that detailed example is needed.
If you currently have one trillion dollars in assets, but you're earned income is less than the poverty line, then this government will not only not charge you any income tax, but it will also gladly send you welfare checks because clearly your income level makes you poor in their eyes.
However, if you have no assets and are living hand to mouth each week on income that is well over the poverty line, this government will do it's damnedest to make sure you don't accumulate any assets by taxing your income as punishment for working.
Incorrect. Getting welfare requires passing a means test, part of that test includes listing any assets, such as trillions of dollars in the bank. Failure to list those assets could result in major penalties.
I would rank LBJ right down there with Zachary Taylor and Andrew Johnson as the worst U.S. presidents ever.
As for (1) they do exist and we do provide many forms of welfare aid to said millionaires. 1a) low tax rates for income paid to millionaires, where people living week to week on middle class income pay high tax rates; 1b) many forms of welfare are paid to people without performing a means test, as such there are always reports in the papers of millionaires receiving welfare checks.
As for (2) there are a lot more people in this classification than you might think and they make up a large percentage of the so called poor of this country. Many in this group live by bartering (legal and illegal). Bartering is not measured in our system. Further, this is just one group of folks that just don't fit our mold of 4.3 people living in a house or apartment with 1.6 of the people earning an income for the household. For example, my father retired at 53. By the measure of current income and sell-able assets one might say he's living in poverty. However, he owns his home cars, boats, rec vehicles, ... and barters for any extras he wants. The guy lives like a king and seeks no welfare, cause frankly he doesn't need help.
For example, Obama Care does not have an asset test.
As for (1) they do exist and we do provide many forms of welfare aid to said millionaires. 1a) low tax rates for income paid to millionaires, where people living week to week on middle class income pay high tax rates; 1b) many forms of welfare are paid to people without performing a means test, as such there are always reports in the papers of millionaires receiving welfare checks.
As for (2) there are a lot more people in this classification than you might think and they make up a large percentage of the so called poor of this country. Many in this group live by bartering (legal and illegal). Bartering is not measured in our system. Further, this is just one group of folks that just don't fit our mold of 4.3 people living in a house or apartment with 1.6 of the people earning an income for the household. For example, my father retired at 53. By the measure of current income and sell-able assets one might say he's living in poverty. However, he owns his home cars, boats, rec vehicles, ... and barters for any extras he wants. The guy lives like a king and seeks no welfare, cause frankly he doesn't need help.
I really don't have any numbers to dispute you on this, so I'll accept your judgment on the pervasiveness of these groups.
And I'm glad your Dad is making out well. I'm guessing he learned how to stretch a buck early and passed it on!
For example, Obama Care does not have an asset test.
Way to point out the ONLY questionnaire that has no direct question about assets. Just for the record, ALL other welfare programs, which I've been on, directly ask.
I just signed up for Medicaid through Obamacare. It's a federal crime to falsify and misrepresent your status. You have to go in for an interview and they ask you several questions pertaining to your status, your family, your income, your possessions. So just because the original document you use to sign up lacks direct questions about assets doesn't mean you can be accepted. You are required for an interview by your local county office.
Don't lie just to be right. Being right isn't the point: it's that no self-respecting person with that much assets is going to avoid health insurance in the first place. Maybe 1 person named you. I'm glad you'd rather me not afford my medication and do without instead of get it covered. Thanks, I know my health appreciates it which I rely on for employment!
In 1965 unwed Black mothers were about 25%. Today the rate is around 80%. Not only did LBJ's failed "war on poverty" create a Black society dependent on government assistance it also ruined the family structure in the Black community. The only thing LBJ's "war on poverty" succeeded in doing was to create a plantation of Blacks who automatically vote for democrats.
In 1965 unwed Black mothers were about 25%. Today the rate is around 80%. Not only did LBJ's failed "war on poverty" create a Black society dependent on government assistance it also ruined the family structure in the Black community. The only thing LBJ's "war on poverty" succeeded in doing was to create a plantation of Blacks who automatically vote for democrats.
Think of welfare for blacks as payback for slavery. Compute the number of slaves brought to this country for hundreds of years, the free labor they provided. So the service they unwillingly provided in building up this country has a dollar value. Say 4% interest on that dollar value it should be in the trillions. We might find out we're paying those welfare mothers too little. We believe in inheritance laws in this country, why shouldn't the black people finally get their inheritance?
In 1965 unwed Black mothers were about 25%. Today the rate is around 80%. Not only did LBJ's failed "war on poverty" create a Black society dependent on government assistance it also ruined the family structure in the Black community. The only thing LBJ's "war on poverty" succeeded in doing was to create a plantation of Blacks who automatically vote for democrats.
Think of welfare for blacks as payback for slavery. Compute the number of slaves brought to this country for hundreds of years, the free labor they provided. So the service they unwillingly provided in building up this country has a dollar value. Say 4% interest on that dollar value it should be in the trillions. We might find out we're paying those welfare mothers too little. We believe in inheritance laws in this country, why shouldn't the black people finally get their inheritance?
That would be a stupid thought for a variety of reasons. Welfare was created for poor whites. Welfare cannot payback what happened during slavery. Are you kidding? Welfare once required that the Black male was not in the home disrupting families. Welfare has harmed more than it has helped.
Think of welfare for blacks as payback for slavery. Compute the number of slaves brought to this country for hundreds of years, the free labor they provided. So the service they unwillingly provided in building up this country has a dollar value. Say 4% interest on that dollar value it should be in the trillions. We might find out we're paying those welfare mothers too little. We believe in inheritance laws in this country, why shouldn't the black people finally get their inheritance?
That would be a stupid thought for a variety of reasons. Welfare was created for poor whites. Welfare cannot payback what happened during slavery. Are you kidding? Welfare once required that the Black male was not in the home disrupting families. Welfare has harmed more than it has helped.
This reminds me of the story about a king who had his benefactor killed because no reward would have been sufficient. Is that what you want?
me said:I would rank LBJ right down there with Zachary Taylor and Andrew Johnson as the worst U.S. presidents ever.
You would rank him there but the American people of that era beg to differ. They wanted him for another 4 more years, defying the 2 term limit.
gnarlylove said:Sounds like having created jobs and carried the economy out of the largest market crash was a good thing. But you can say whatever you want, no one is going to tell you otherwise.
You've more than been paid back through welfare.That would be a stupid thought for a variety of reasons. Welfare was created for poor whites. Welfare cannot payback what happened during slavery. Are you kidding? Welfare once required that the Black male was not in the home disrupting families. Welfare has harmed more than it has helped.
This reminds me of the story about a king who had his benefactor killed because no reward would have been sufficient. Is that what you want?
Benefactors?!
That would make sense if white people were actually benefactors. They are not. They are debtors. You owe the debt your ancestors created by creating a system that enslaved the children of the original slaves, destroyed Black families, and caused an academic and socio-economic gap due to Jim Crow. Whites got to participate in numerous homesteading acts that gave land away where Blacks were not allowed to participate. Give me a break please.
You've more than been paid back through welfare.This reminds me of the story about a king who had his benefactor killed because no reward would have been sufficient. Is that what you want?
Benefactors?!
That would make sense if white people were actually benefactors. They are not. They are debtors. You owe the debt your ancestors created by creating a system that enslaved the children of the original slaves, destroyed Black families, and caused an academic and socio-economic gap due to Jim Crow. Whites got to participate in numerous homesteading acts that gave land away where Blacks were not allowed to participate. Give me a break please.
