The truth about CO2 and climate change

[jc456]

I see you are on a par with Franco in intelligence.....you want to know how STUPID you are.... how about 900 DEGREES stupid!!!

Solar cells do not harm birds. Solar reflectors do. What are depicted in the cartoon are solar cell panels. But since you "publicans" are so concerned for the welfare of birds, how many of you have our cat(s) spayed or nutered and kept in doors so they don't kill birds? Because domestic cats kill far more birds than any human activitiy. And yet you people don't seem to be concerned at all about that fact.

a cartoon doesnt have to be factually correct, it has to get the point across in a concise and hopefully funny manner. this one did.

deflection to domestic cats is pretty lame in a conversation about global warming.

Except that the point in the cartoon was that solar power cells kill birds. Except that they don't. So the only thing funny about it was how ill-informed the author is about solar power and how silly it is that people like you find it to be funny.

nope, it was funny!!!

Which proves my point, Thank you.

that it was funny, I agree!!!!

 

[orogenicman]

Solar cells do not harm birds. Solar reflectors do. What are depicted in the cartoon are solar cell panels. But since you "publicans" are so concerned for the welfare of birds, how many of you have our cat(s) spayed or nutered and kept in doors so they don't kill birds? Because domestic cats kill far more birds than any human activitiy. And yet you people don't seem to be concerned at all about that fact.

a cartoon doesnt have to be factually correct, it has to get the point across in a concise and hopefully funny manner. this one did.

deflection to domestic cats is pretty lame in a conversation about global warming.

Except that the point in the cartoon was that solar power cells kill birds. Except that they don't. So the only thing funny about it was how ill-informed the author is about solar power and how silly it is that people like you find it to be funny.

nope, it was funny!!!

Which proves my point, Thank you.

that it was funny, I agree!!!!

that people like you find it to be funny.

Thanks for playing.

 

[jc456]

a cartoon doesnt have to be factually correct, it has to get the point across in a concise and hopefully funny manner. this one did.

deflection to domestic cats is pretty lame in a conversation about global warming.

Except that the point in the cartoon was that solar power cells kill birds. Except that they don't. So the only thing funny about it was how ill-informed the author is about solar power and how silly it is that people like you find it to be funny.

nope, it was funny!!!

Which proves my point, Thank you.

that it was funny, I agree!!!!

that people like you find it to be funny.

Thanks for playing.

yep because we have a sense of humor. You should invest in one.

 

[Roadrunner]

Are you seriously going to peddle that erumor? Now, before you start spewing at me about being a liberal who believes in Goebbal's Warming, Im not either. But there is certainly a debate going on in the science and using this type of shit only makes the alarmists look more intelligent.

it's damaging.

AGW theorists, crypto-zoologists, ancient alien theorists; birds of a feather.

 

[orogenicman]

Are you seriously going to peddle that erumor? Now, before you start spewing at me about being a liberal who believes in Goebbal's Warming, Im not either. But there is certainly a debate going on in the science and using this type of shit only makes the alarmists look more intelligent.

it's damaging.

AGW theorists, crypto-zoologists, ancient alien theorists; birds of a feather.

AGW denialists, hollower Earthers, Flat Earthers, Creationists; bird of a feather.

 

[jc456]

Are you seriously going to peddle that erumor? Now, before you start spewing at me about being a liberal who believes in Goebbal's Warming, Im not either. But there is certainly a debate going on in the science and using this type of shit only makes the alarmists look more intelligent.

it's damaging.

AGW theorists, crypto-zoologists, ancient alien theorists; birds of a feather.

AGW denialists, hollower Earthers, Flat Earthers, Creationists; bird of a feather.

hahahahhaahaahahhaha the patent post when one doesn't have any answers.

 

[Billy_Bob]

Contributions to accelerating atmospheric CO2 growth from economic activity, carbon intensity, and efficiency of natural sinks

1. Josep G. Canadell a , b ,
2. Corinne Le Quéré c , d ,
3. Michael R. Raupach a ,
4. Christopher B. Field e ,
5. Erik T. Buitenhuis c ,
6. Philippe Ciais f ,
7. Thomas J. Conway g ,
8. Nathan P. Gillett c ,
9. R. A. Houghton h , and
10. Gregg Marland i , j

Author Affiliations

1. Edited by William C. Clark, Harvard University, Cambridge, MA, and approved September 17, 2007 (received for review March 27, 2007)

1. Abstract
2. Full Text
3. Authors & Info
4. Figures
5. SI
6. Metrics
7. Related Content
8. PDF
9. PDF + SI

Abstract
The growth rate of atmospheric carbon dioxide (CO2), the largest human contributor to human-induced climate change, is increasing rapidly. Three processes contribute to this rapid increase. Two of these processes concern emissions. Recent growth of the world economy combined with an increase in its carbon intensity have led to rapid growth in fossil fuel CO2 emissions since 2000: comparing the 1990s with 2000–2006, the emissions growth rate increased from 1.3% to 3.3% y −1. The third process is indicated by increasing evidence (P = 0.89) for a long-term (50-year) increase in the airborne fraction (AF) of CO2emissions, implying a decline in the efficiency of CO2 sinks on land and oceans in absorbing anthropogenic emissions. Since 2000, the contributions of these three factors to the increase in the atmospheric CO2growth rate have been ≈65 ± 16% from increasing global economic activity, 17 ± 6% from the increasing carbon intensity of the global economy, and 18 ± 15% from the increase in AF. An increasing AF is consistent with results of climate–carbon cycle models, but the magnitude of the observed signal appears larger than that estimated by models. All of these changes characterize a carbon cycle that is generating stronger-than-expected and sooner-than-expected climate forcing.

Real scientists research, not flap-yap pulled out of your asshole, Billy Boob.

Long-term observations of atmospheric CO2 and carbon isotopes at continental sites in Germany - LEVIN - 2002 - Tellus B - Wiley Online Library

Long-term observations of atmospheric CO2 and carbon isotopes at continental sites in Germany

1. 
   
   
   • INGEBORG LEVIN†,
   • ROLF. GRAUL and
   • 1 NEIL B. A. TRIVETT 2

Abstract
A network for regional atmospheric CO2 observations had already been established in Germany by 1972, consisting of 5 stations with basically different characteristics: Westerland, a coastal station at the North Sea, 2 regional stations, Waldhof and Deuselbach, as well as 2 mountain stations, Brotjacklriegel at the eastern boarder of Germany and Schauinsland in the Black Forest. In addition to CO2concentration observations, from 1977 onwards quasi-continuous 13CO2 and 14CO2 measurements were performed on samples from the Schauinsland site, and for the short period 1985-1988, 14CO2 measurements were also made on Westerland samples. CO2 data selection based on wind velocity allows for an estimate of the representative continental CO2 level over Europe. The peak-to-peak amplitude of the seasonal cycles is between 12.1 ppmv (Schauinsland) and 17.6 ppmv (Waldhof). The phase of the seasonal cycles at the German sites is shifted if compared to maritime background sites with the concentration maxima occuring already between beginning of February and beginning of April, the minima in August. The long-term mean CO2 increase rate in the last 20 years at Westerland and Schauinsland is 1.49 and 1.48 ppmv yr−1, respectively. The mean δ13C of the seasonal source CO2 at Schauinsland is calculated from unselected δ13C and CO2 data to be − 25.1‰. From the 14C observations in unselected CO2, we derive yearly mean fossil fuel contributions at Westerland of 4 ppmv, and at Schauinsland of only 2.5 ppmv. Based on the seasonality of the fossil fuel CO2 component at Schauinsland and on concurrently observed atmospheric 222Radon activities, we derive a seasonal amplitude of the fossil fuel CO2source which is higher by a factor of 3 compared to emission estimates for Europe.

Of course, these are real scientists writing these articles, not internet pretenders like you, Billy Boob.

The thing about the Null Hypothesis is that EMPIRICAL EVIDENCE trumps all the models in the world.

There are good reasons to suppose this hypothesis may be true, but the Null Hypothesis says it must be assumed the GHG changes have no effect unless and until increased GHGs are observed to increase global temperature. That is what the scientific method decrees. It does not matter how certain some people may be that the hypothesis is right because observation of reality (i.e. empiricism) trumps all opinions.

Given Natural variation there is no warming to attribute to CO2..

 

[Redfish]

Contributions to accelerating atmospheric CO2 growth from economic activity, carbon intensity, and efficiency of natural sinks

1. Josep G. Canadell a , b ,
2. Corinne Le Quéré c , d ,
3. Michael R. Raupach a ,
4. Christopher B. Field e ,
5. Erik T. Buitenhuis c ,
6. Philippe Ciais f ,
7. Thomas J. Conway g ,
8. Nathan P. Gillett c ,
9. R. A. Houghton h , and
10. Gregg Marland i , j

Author Affiliations

1. Edited by William C. Clark, Harvard University, Cambridge, MA, and approved September 17, 2007 (received for review March 27, 2007)

1. Abstract
2. Full Text
3. Authors & Info
4. Figures
5. SI
6. Metrics
7. Related Content
8. PDF
9. PDF + SI

Abstract
The growth rate of atmospheric carbon dioxide (CO2), the largest human contributor to human-induced climate change, is increasing rapidly. Three processes contribute to this rapid increase. Two of these processes concern emissions. Recent growth of the world economy combined with an increase in its carbon intensity have led to rapid growth in fossil fuel CO2 emissions since 2000: comparing the 1990s with 2000–2006, the emissions growth rate increased from 1.3% to 3.3% y −1. The third process is indicated by increasing evidence (P = 0.89) for a long-term (50-year) increase in the airborne fraction (AF) of CO2emissions, implying a decline in the efficiency of CO2 sinks on land and oceans in absorbing anthropogenic emissions. Since 2000, the contributions of these three factors to the increase in the atmospheric CO2growth rate have been ≈65 ± 16% from increasing global economic activity, 17 ± 6% from the increasing carbon intensity of the global economy, and 18 ± 15% from the increase in AF. An increasing AF is consistent with results of climate–carbon cycle models, but the magnitude of the observed signal appears larger than that estimated by models. All of these changes characterize a carbon cycle that is generating stronger-than-expected and sooner-than-expected climate forcing.

Real scientists research, not flap-yap pulled out of your asshole, Billy Boob.

Long-term observations of atmospheric CO2 and carbon isotopes at continental sites in Germany - LEVIN - 2002 - Tellus B - Wiley Online Library

Long-term observations of atmospheric CO2 and carbon isotopes at continental sites in Germany

1. 
   
   
   • INGEBORG LEVIN†,
   • ROLF. GRAUL and
   • 1 NEIL B. A. TRIVETT 2

Abstract
A network for regional atmospheric CO2 observations had already been established in Germany by 1972, consisting of 5 stations with basically different characteristics: Westerland, a coastal station at the North Sea, 2 regional stations, Waldhof and Deuselbach, as well as 2 mountain stations, Brotjacklriegel at the eastern boarder of Germany and Schauinsland in the Black Forest. In addition to CO2concentration observations, from 1977 onwards quasi-continuous 13CO2 and 14CO2 measurements were performed on samples from the Schauinsland site, and for the short period 1985-1988, 14CO2 measurements were also made on Westerland samples. CO2 data selection based on wind velocity allows for an estimate of the representative continental CO2 level over Europe. The peak-to-peak amplitude of the seasonal cycles is between 12.1 ppmv (Schauinsland) and 17.6 ppmv (Waldhof). The phase of the seasonal cycles at the German sites is shifted if compared to maritime background sites with the concentration maxima occuring already between beginning of February and beginning of April, the minima in August. The long-term mean CO2 increase rate in the last 20 years at Westerland and Schauinsland is 1.49 and 1.48 ppmv yr−1, respectively. The mean δ13C of the seasonal source CO2 at Schauinsland is calculated from unselected δ13C and CO2 data to be − 25.1‰. From the 14C observations in unselected CO2, we derive yearly mean fossil fuel contributions at Westerland of 4 ppmv, and at Schauinsland of only 2.5 ppmv. Based on the seasonality of the fossil fuel CO2 component at Schauinsland and on concurrently observed atmospheric 222Radon activities, we derive a seasonal amplitude of the fossil fuel CO2source which is higher by a factor of 3 compared to emission estimates for Europe.

Of course, these are real scientists writing these articles, not internet pretenders like you, Billy Boob.

The thing about the Null Hypothesis is that EMPIRICAL EVIDENCE trumps all the models in the world.

There are good reasons to suppose this hypothesis may be true, but the Null Hypothesis says it must be assumed the GHG changes have no effect unless and until increased GHGs are observed to increase global temperature. That is what the scientific method decrees. It does not matter how certain some people may be that the hypothesis is right because observation of reality (i.e. empiricism) trumps all opinions.

Given Natural variation there is no warming to attribute to CO2..

it was never about man made global warming or climate change, it was about governmental control over how people live. The liberal mind cannot tolerate freedom.

 

[orogenicman]

Contributions to accelerating atmospheric CO2 growth from economic activity, carbon intensity, and efficiency of natural sinks

1. Josep G. Canadell a , b ,
2. Corinne Le Quéré c , d ,
3. Michael R. Raupach a ,
4. Christopher B. Field e ,
5. Erik T. Buitenhuis c ,
6. Philippe Ciais f ,
7. Thomas J. Conway g ,
8. Nathan P. Gillett c ,
9. R. A. Houghton h , and
10. Gregg Marland i , j

Author Affiliations

1. Edited by William C. Clark, Harvard University, Cambridge, MA, and approved September 17, 2007 (received for review March 27, 2007)

1. Abstract
2. Full Text
3. Authors & Info
4. Figures
5. SI
6. Metrics
7. Related Content
8. PDF
9. PDF + SI

Abstract
The growth rate of atmospheric carbon dioxide (CO2), the largest human contributor to human-induced climate change, is increasing rapidly. Three processes contribute to this rapid increase. Two of these processes concern emissions. Recent growth of the world economy combined with an increase in its carbon intensity have led to rapid growth in fossil fuel CO2 emissions since 2000: comparing the 1990s with 2000–2006, the emissions growth rate increased from 1.3% to 3.3% y −1. The third process is indicated by increasing evidence (P = 0.89) for a long-term (50-year) increase in the airborne fraction (AF) of CO2emissions, implying a decline in the efficiency of CO2 sinks on land and oceans in absorbing anthropogenic emissions. Since 2000, the contributions of these three factors to the increase in the atmospheric CO2growth rate have been ≈65 ± 16% from increasing global economic activity, 17 ± 6% from the increasing carbon intensity of the global economy, and 18 ± 15% from the increase in AF. An increasing AF is consistent with results of climate–carbon cycle models, but the magnitude of the observed signal appears larger than that estimated by models. All of these changes characterize a carbon cycle that is generating stronger-than-expected and sooner-than-expected climate forcing.

Real scientists research, not flap-yap pulled out of your asshole, Billy Boob.

Long-term observations of atmospheric CO2 and carbon isotopes at continental sites in Germany - LEVIN - 2002 - Tellus B - Wiley Online Library

Long-term observations of atmospheric CO2 and carbon isotopes at continental sites in Germany

1. 
   
   
   • INGEBORG LEVIN†,
   • ROLF. GRAUL and
   • 1 NEIL B. A. TRIVETT 2

Abstract
A network for regional atmospheric CO2 observations had already been established in Germany by 1972, consisting of 5 stations with basically different characteristics: Westerland, a coastal station at the North Sea, 2 regional stations, Waldhof and Deuselbach, as well as 2 mountain stations, Brotjacklriegel at the eastern boarder of Germany and Schauinsland in the Black Forest. In addition to CO2concentration observations, from 1977 onwards quasi-continuous 13CO2 and 14CO2 measurements were performed on samples from the Schauinsland site, and for the short period 1985-1988, 14CO2 measurements were also made on Westerland samples. CO2 data selection based on wind velocity allows for an estimate of the representative continental CO2 level over Europe. The peak-to-peak amplitude of the seasonal cycles is between 12.1 ppmv (Schauinsland) and 17.6 ppmv (Waldhof). The phase of the seasonal cycles at the German sites is shifted if compared to maritime background sites with the concentration maxima occuring already between beginning of February and beginning of April, the minima in August. The long-term mean CO2 increase rate in the last 20 years at Westerland and Schauinsland is 1.49 and 1.48 ppmv yr−1, respectively. The mean δ13C of the seasonal source CO2 at Schauinsland is calculated from unselected δ13C and CO2 data to be − 25.1‰. From the 14C observations in unselected CO2, we derive yearly mean fossil fuel contributions at Westerland of 4 ppmv, and at Schauinsland of only 2.5 ppmv. Based on the seasonality of the fossil fuel CO2 component at Schauinsland and on concurrently observed atmospheric 222Radon activities, we derive a seasonal amplitude of the fossil fuel CO2source which is higher by a factor of 3 compared to emission estimates for Europe.

Of course, these are real scientists writing these articles, not internet pretenders like you, Billy Boob.

The thing about the Null Hypothesis is that EMPIRICAL EVIDENCE trumps all the models in the world.

There are good reasons to suppose this hypothesis may be true, but the Null Hypothesis says it must be assumed the GHG changes have no effect unless and until increased GHGs are observed to increase global temperature. That is what the scientific method decrees. It does not matter how certain some people may be that the hypothesis is right because observation of reality (i.e. empiricism) trumps all opinions.

Given Natural variation there is no warming to attribute to CO2..

it was never about man made global warming or climate change, it was about governmental control over how people live. The liberal mind cannot tolerate freedom.

The government controls many aspects of your life, whether or not you want it to. You are not allowed to murder. You are not allowed to steal. You are not allowed to do a lot of things. Freedom is not a free pass to negatively impact the lives of others.

 

[jc456]

Contributions to accelerating atmospheric CO2 growth from economic activity, carbon intensity, and efficiency of natural sinks

1. Josep G. Canadell a , b ,
2. Corinne Le Quéré c , d ,
3. Michael R. Raupach a ,
4. Christopher B. Field e ,
5. Erik T. Buitenhuis c ,
6. Philippe Ciais f ,
7. Thomas J. Conway g ,
8. Nathan P. Gillett c ,
9. R. A. Houghton h , and
10. Gregg Marland i , j

Author Affiliations

1. Edited by William C. Clark, Harvard University, Cambridge, MA, and approved September 17, 2007 (received for review March 27, 2007)

1. Abstract
2. Full Text
3. Authors & Info
4. Figures
5. SI
6. Metrics
7. Related Content
8. PDF
9. PDF + SI

Abstract
The growth rate of atmospheric carbon dioxide (CO2), the largest human contributor to human-induced climate change, is increasing rapidly. Three processes contribute to this rapid increase. Two of these processes concern emissions. Recent growth of the world economy combined with an increase in its carbon intensity have led to rapid growth in fossil fuel CO2 emissions since 2000: comparing the 1990s with 2000–2006, the emissions growth rate increased from 1.3% to 3.3% y −1. The third process is indicated by increasing evidence (P = 0.89) for a long-term (50-year) increase in the airborne fraction (AF) of CO2emissions, implying a decline in the efficiency of CO2 sinks on land and oceans in absorbing anthropogenic emissions. Since 2000, the contributions of these three factors to the increase in the atmospheric CO2growth rate have been ≈65 ± 16% from increasing global economic activity, 17 ± 6% from the increasing carbon intensity of the global economy, and 18 ± 15% from the increase in AF. An increasing AF is consistent with results of climate–carbon cycle models, but the magnitude of the observed signal appears larger than that estimated by models. All of these changes characterize a carbon cycle that is generating stronger-than-expected and sooner-than-expected climate forcing.

Real scientists research, not flap-yap pulled out of your asshole, Billy Boob.

Long-term observations of atmospheric CO2 and carbon isotopes at continental sites in Germany - LEVIN - 2002 - Tellus B - Wiley Online Library

Long-term observations of atmospheric CO2 and carbon isotopes at continental sites in Germany

1. 
   
   
   • INGEBORG LEVIN†,
   • ROLF. GRAUL and
   • 1 NEIL B. A. TRIVETT 2

Abstract
A network for regional atmospheric CO2 observations had already been established in Germany by 1972, consisting of 5 stations with basically different characteristics: Westerland, a coastal station at the North Sea, 2 regional stations, Waldhof and Deuselbach, as well as 2 mountain stations, Brotjacklriegel at the eastern boarder of Germany and Schauinsland in the Black Forest. In addition to CO2concentration observations, from 1977 onwards quasi-continuous 13CO2 and 14CO2 measurements were performed on samples from the Schauinsland site, and for the short period 1985-1988, 14CO2 measurements were also made on Westerland samples. CO2 data selection based on wind velocity allows for an estimate of the representative continental CO2 level over Europe. The peak-to-peak amplitude of the seasonal cycles is between 12.1 ppmv (Schauinsland) and 17.6 ppmv (Waldhof). The phase of the seasonal cycles at the German sites is shifted if compared to maritime background sites with the concentration maxima occuring already between beginning of February and beginning of April, the minima in August. The long-term mean CO2 increase rate in the last 20 years at Westerland and Schauinsland is 1.49 and 1.48 ppmv yr−1, respectively. The mean δ13C of the seasonal source CO2 at Schauinsland is calculated from unselected δ13C and CO2 data to be − 25.1‰. From the 14C observations in unselected CO2, we derive yearly mean fossil fuel contributions at Westerland of 4 ppmv, and at Schauinsland of only 2.5 ppmv. Based on the seasonality of the fossil fuel CO2 component at Schauinsland and on concurrently observed atmospheric 222Radon activities, we derive a seasonal amplitude of the fossil fuel CO2source which is higher by a factor of 3 compared to emission estimates for Europe.

Of course, these are real scientists writing these articles, not internet pretenders like you, Billy Boob.

The thing about the Null Hypothesis is that EMPIRICAL EVIDENCE trumps all the models in the world.

There are good reasons to suppose this hypothesis may be true, but the Null Hypothesis says it must be assumed the GHG changes have no effect unless and until increased GHGs are observed to increase global temperature. That is what the scientific method decrees. It does not matter how certain some people may be that the hypothesis is right because observation of reality (i.e. empiricism) trumps all opinions.

Given Natural variation there is no warming to attribute to CO2..

it was never about man made global warming or climate change, it was about governmental control over how people live. The liberal mind cannot tolerate freedom.

The government controls many aspects of your life, whether or not you want it to. You are not allowed to murder. You are not allowed to steal. You are not allowed to do a lot of things. Freedom is not a free pass to negatively impact the lives of others.

Federal government or local and state?

 

[orogenicman]

Contributions to accelerating atmospheric CO2 growth from economic activity, carbon intensity, and efficiency of natural sinks

1. Josep G. Canadell a , b ,
2. Corinne Le Quéré c , d ,
3. Michael R. Raupach a ,
4. Christopher B. Field e ,
5. Erik T. Buitenhuis c ,
6. Philippe Ciais f ,
7. Thomas J. Conway g ,
8. Nathan P. Gillett c ,
9. R. A. Houghton h , and
10. Gregg Marland i , j

Author Affiliations

1. Edited by William C. Clark, Harvard University, Cambridge, MA, and approved September 17, 2007 (received for review March 27, 2007)

1. Abstract
2. Full Text
3. Authors & Info
4. Figures
5. SI
6. Metrics
7. Related Content
8. PDF
9. PDF + SI

Abstract
The growth rate of atmospheric carbon dioxide (CO2), the largest human contributor to human-induced climate change, is increasing rapidly. Three processes contribute to this rapid increase. Two of these processes concern emissions. Recent growth of the world economy combined with an increase in its carbon intensity have led to rapid growth in fossil fuel CO2 emissions since 2000: comparing the 1990s with 2000–2006, the emissions growth rate increased from 1.3% to 3.3% y −1. The third process is indicated by increasing evidence (P = 0.89) for a long-term (50-year) increase in the airborne fraction (AF) of CO2emissions, implying a decline in the efficiency of CO2 sinks on land and oceans in absorbing anthropogenic emissions. Since 2000, the contributions of these three factors to the increase in the atmospheric CO2growth rate have been ≈65 ± 16% from increasing global economic activity, 17 ± 6% from the increasing carbon intensity of the global economy, and 18 ± 15% from the increase in AF. An increasing AF is consistent with results of climate–carbon cycle models, but the magnitude of the observed signal appears larger than that estimated by models. All of these changes characterize a carbon cycle that is generating stronger-than-expected and sooner-than-expected climate forcing.

Real scientists research, not flap-yap pulled out of your asshole, Billy Boob.

Long-term observations of atmospheric CO2 and carbon isotopes at continental sites in Germany - LEVIN - 2002 - Tellus B - Wiley Online Library

Long-term observations of atmospheric CO2 and carbon isotopes at continental sites in Germany

1. 
   
   
   • INGEBORG LEVIN†,
   • ROLF. GRAUL and
   • 1 NEIL B. A. TRIVETT 2

Abstract
A network for regional atmospheric CO2 observations had already been established in Germany by 1972, consisting of 5 stations with basically different characteristics: Westerland, a coastal station at the North Sea, 2 regional stations, Waldhof and Deuselbach, as well as 2 mountain stations, Brotjacklriegel at the eastern boarder of Germany and Schauinsland in the Black Forest. In addition to CO2concentration observations, from 1977 onwards quasi-continuous 13CO2 and 14CO2 measurements were performed on samples from the Schauinsland site, and for the short period 1985-1988, 14CO2 measurements were also made on Westerland samples. CO2 data selection based on wind velocity allows for an estimate of the representative continental CO2 level over Europe. The peak-to-peak amplitude of the seasonal cycles is between 12.1 ppmv (Schauinsland) and 17.6 ppmv (Waldhof). The phase of the seasonal cycles at the German sites is shifted if compared to maritime background sites with the concentration maxima occuring already between beginning of February and beginning of April, the minima in August. The long-term mean CO2 increase rate in the last 20 years at Westerland and Schauinsland is 1.49 and 1.48 ppmv yr−1, respectively. The mean δ13C of the seasonal source CO2 at Schauinsland is calculated from unselected δ13C and CO2 data to be − 25.1‰. From the 14C observations in unselected CO2, we derive yearly mean fossil fuel contributions at Westerland of 4 ppmv, and at Schauinsland of only 2.5 ppmv. Based on the seasonality of the fossil fuel CO2 component at Schauinsland and on concurrently observed atmospheric 222Radon activities, we derive a seasonal amplitude of the fossil fuel CO2source which is higher by a factor of 3 compared to emission estimates for Europe.

Of course, these are real scientists writing these articles, not internet pretenders like you, Billy Boob.

The thing about the Null Hypothesis is that EMPIRICAL EVIDENCE trumps all the models in the world.

There are good reasons to suppose this hypothesis may be true, but the Null Hypothesis says it must be assumed the GHG changes have no effect unless and until increased GHGs are observed to increase global temperature. That is what the scientific method decrees. It does not matter how certain some people may be that the hypothesis is right because observation of reality (i.e. empiricism) trumps all opinions.

Given Natural variation there is no warming to attribute to CO2..

it was never about man made global warming or climate change, it was about governmental control over how people live. The liberal mind cannot tolerate freedom.

The government controls many aspects of your life, whether or not you want it to. You are not allowed to murder. You are not allowed to steal. You are not allowed to do a lot of things. Freedom is not a free pass to negatively impact the lives of others.

Federal government or local and state?

Yes. You didn't know this? Huh.

 

[SSDD]

The government controls many aspects of your life, whether or not you want it to. You are not allowed to murder. You are not allowed to steal. You are not allowed to do a lot of things. Freedom is not a free pass to negatively impact the lives of others.

I suppose you are blissfully unaware that government now controls all aspects of your life. You can prove me wrong by naming 3 things that you may now do without government interference at either the local, state or federal level without going into the most mundane aspects of your life. Lets hear them.

 

[jc456]

Contributions to accelerating atmospheric CO2 growth from economic activity, carbon intensity, and efficiency of natural sinks

1. Josep G. Canadell a , b ,
2. Corinne Le Quéré c , d ,
3. Michael R. Raupach a ,
4. Christopher B. Field e ,
5. Erik T. Buitenhuis c ,
6. Philippe Ciais f ,
7. Thomas J. Conway g ,
8. Nathan P. Gillett c ,
9. R. A. Houghton h , and
10. Gregg Marland i , j

Author Affiliations

1. Edited by William C. Clark, Harvard University, Cambridge, MA, and approved September 17, 2007 (received for review March 27, 2007)

1. Abstract
2. Full Text
3. Authors & Info
4. Figures
5. SI
6. Metrics
7. Related Content
8. PDF
9. PDF + SI

Abstract
The growth rate of atmospheric carbon dioxide (CO2), the largest human contributor to human-induced climate change, is increasing rapidly. Three processes contribute to this rapid increase. Two of these processes concern emissions. Recent growth of the world economy combined with an increase in its carbon intensity have led to rapid growth in fossil fuel CO2 emissions since 2000: comparing the 1990s with 2000–2006, the emissions growth rate increased from 1.3% to 3.3% y −1. The third process is indicated by increasing evidence (P = 0.89) for a long-term (50-year) increase in the airborne fraction (AF) of CO2emissions, implying a decline in the efficiency of CO2 sinks on land and oceans in absorbing anthropogenic emissions. Since 2000, the contributions of these three factors to the increase in the atmospheric CO2growth rate have been ≈65 ± 16% from increasing global economic activity, 17 ± 6% from the increasing carbon intensity of the global economy, and 18 ± 15% from the increase in AF. An increasing AF is consistent with results of climate–carbon cycle models, but the magnitude of the observed signal appears larger than that estimated by models. All of these changes characterize a carbon cycle that is generating stronger-than-expected and sooner-than-expected climate forcing.

Real scientists research, not flap-yap pulled out of your asshole, Billy Boob.

Long-term observations of atmospheric CO2 and carbon isotopes at continental sites in Germany - LEVIN - 2002 - Tellus B - Wiley Online Library

Long-term observations of atmospheric CO2 and carbon isotopes at continental sites in Germany

1. 
   
   
   • INGEBORG LEVIN†,
   • ROLF. GRAUL and
   • 1 NEIL B. A. TRIVETT 2

Abstract
A network for regional atmospheric CO2 observations had already been established in Germany by 1972, consisting of 5 stations with basically different characteristics: Westerland, a coastal station at the North Sea, 2 regional stations, Waldhof and Deuselbach, as well as 2 mountain stations, Brotjacklriegel at the eastern boarder of Germany and Schauinsland in the Black Forest. In addition to CO2concentration observations, from 1977 onwards quasi-continuous 13CO2 and 14CO2 measurements were performed on samples from the Schauinsland site, and for the short period 1985-1988, 14CO2 measurements were also made on Westerland samples. CO2 data selection based on wind velocity allows for an estimate of the representative continental CO2 level over Europe. The peak-to-peak amplitude of the seasonal cycles is between 12.1 ppmv (Schauinsland) and 17.6 ppmv (Waldhof). The phase of the seasonal cycles at the German sites is shifted if compared to maritime background sites with the concentration maxima occuring already between beginning of February and beginning of April, the minima in August. The long-term mean CO2 increase rate in the last 20 years at Westerland and Schauinsland is 1.49 and 1.48 ppmv yr−1, respectively. The mean δ13C of the seasonal source CO2 at Schauinsland is calculated from unselected δ13C and CO2 data to be − 25.1‰. From the 14C observations in unselected CO2, we derive yearly mean fossil fuel contributions at Westerland of 4 ppmv, and at Schauinsland of only 2.5 ppmv. Based on the seasonality of the fossil fuel CO2 component at Schauinsland and on concurrently observed atmospheric 222Radon activities, we derive a seasonal amplitude of the fossil fuel CO2source which is higher by a factor of 3 compared to emission estimates for Europe.

Of course, these are real scientists writing these articles, not internet pretenders like you, Billy Boob.

The thing about the Null Hypothesis is that EMPIRICAL EVIDENCE trumps all the models in the world.

There are good reasons to suppose this hypothesis may be true, but the Null Hypothesis says it must be assumed the GHG changes have no effect unless and until increased GHGs are observed to increase global temperature. That is what the scientific method decrees. It does not matter how certain some people may be that the hypothesis is right because observation of reality (i.e. empiricism) trumps all opinions.

Given Natural variation there is no warming to attribute to CO2..

it was never about man made global warming or climate change, it was about governmental control over how people live. The liberal mind cannot tolerate freedom.

The government controls many aspects of your life, whether or not you want it to. You are not allowed to murder. You are not allowed to steal. You are not allowed to do a lot of things. Freedom is not a free pass to negatively impact the lives of others.

Federal government or local and state?

Yes. You didn't know this? Huh.

I wondered if you did. My issue is not with local or state interference, it is the federal that I have problems with.

 

[Redfish]

Contributions to accelerating atmospheric CO2 growth from economic activity, carbon intensity, and efficiency of natural sinks

1. Josep G. Canadell a , b ,
2. Corinne Le Quéré c , d ,
3. Michael R. Raupach a ,
4. Christopher B. Field e ,
5. Erik T. Buitenhuis c ,
6. Philippe Ciais f ,
7. Thomas J. Conway g ,
8. Nathan P. Gillett c ,
9. R. A. Houghton h , and
10. Gregg Marland i , j

Author Affiliations

1. Edited by William C. Clark, Harvard University, Cambridge, MA, and approved September 17, 2007 (received for review March 27, 2007)

1. Abstract
2. Full Text
3. Authors & Info
4. Figures
5. SI
6. Metrics
7. Related Content
8. PDF
9. PDF + SI

Abstract
The growth rate of atmospheric carbon dioxide (CO2), the largest human contributor to human-induced climate change, is increasing rapidly. Three processes contribute to this rapid increase. Two of these processes concern emissions. Recent growth of the world economy combined with an increase in its carbon intensity have led to rapid growth in fossil fuel CO2 emissions since 2000: comparing the 1990s with 2000–2006, the emissions growth rate increased from 1.3% to 3.3% y −1. The third process is indicated by increasing evidence (P = 0.89) for a long-term (50-year) increase in the airborne fraction (AF) of CO2emissions, implying a decline in the efficiency of CO2 sinks on land and oceans in absorbing anthropogenic emissions. Since 2000, the contributions of these three factors to the increase in the atmospheric CO2growth rate have been ≈65 ± 16% from increasing global economic activity, 17 ± 6% from the increasing carbon intensity of the global economy, and 18 ± 15% from the increase in AF. An increasing AF is consistent with results of climate–carbon cycle models, but the magnitude of the observed signal appears larger than that estimated by models. All of these changes characterize a carbon cycle that is generating stronger-than-expected and sooner-than-expected climate forcing.

Real scientists research, not flap-yap pulled out of your asshole, Billy Boob.

Long-term observations of atmospheric CO2 and carbon isotopes at continental sites in Germany - LEVIN - 2002 - Tellus B - Wiley Online Library

Long-term observations of atmospheric CO2 and carbon isotopes at continental sites in Germany

1. 
   
   
   • INGEBORG LEVIN†,
   • ROLF. GRAUL and
   • 1 NEIL B. A. TRIVETT 2

Abstract
A network for regional atmospheric CO2 observations had already been established in Germany by 1972, consisting of 5 stations with basically different characteristics: Westerland, a coastal station at the North Sea, 2 regional stations, Waldhof and Deuselbach, as well as 2 mountain stations, Brotjacklriegel at the eastern boarder of Germany and Schauinsland in the Black Forest. In addition to CO2concentration observations, from 1977 onwards quasi-continuous 13CO2 and 14CO2 measurements were performed on samples from the Schauinsland site, and for the short period 1985-1988, 14CO2 measurements were also made on Westerland samples. CO2 data selection based on wind velocity allows for an estimate of the representative continental CO2 level over Europe. The peak-to-peak amplitude of the seasonal cycles is between 12.1 ppmv (Schauinsland) and 17.6 ppmv (Waldhof). The phase of the seasonal cycles at the German sites is shifted if compared to maritime background sites with the concentration maxima occuring already between beginning of February and beginning of April, the minima in August. The long-term mean CO2 increase rate in the last 20 years at Westerland and Schauinsland is 1.49 and 1.48 ppmv yr−1, respectively. The mean δ13C of the seasonal source CO2 at Schauinsland is calculated from unselected δ13C and CO2 data to be − 25.1‰. From the 14C observations in unselected CO2, we derive yearly mean fossil fuel contributions at Westerland of 4 ppmv, and at Schauinsland of only 2.5 ppmv. Based on the seasonality of the fossil fuel CO2 component at Schauinsland and on concurrently observed atmospheric 222Radon activities, we derive a seasonal amplitude of the fossil fuel CO2source which is higher by a factor of 3 compared to emission estimates for Europe.

Of course, these are real scientists writing these articles, not internet pretenders like you, Billy Boob.

The thing about the Null Hypothesis is that EMPIRICAL EVIDENCE trumps all the models in the world.

There are good reasons to suppose this hypothesis may be true, but the Null Hypothesis says it must be assumed the GHG changes have no effect unless and until increased GHGs are observed to increase global temperature. That is what the scientific method decrees. It does not matter how certain some people may be that the hypothesis is right because observation of reality (i.e. empiricism) trumps all opinions.

Given Natural variation there is no warming to attribute to CO2..

it was never about man made global warming or climate change, it was about governmental control over how people live. The liberal mind cannot tolerate freedom.

The government controls many aspects of your life, whether or not you want it to. You are not allowed to murder. You are not allowed to steal. You are not allowed to do a lot of things. Freedom is not a free pass to negatively impact the lives of others.

should each of us be able to decide what kind of light bulbs to use and how much water comes out of our shower head?

murder and stealing are moral issues, light bulbs and shower heads are control issues.

 

[Old Rocks]

Ah yes, when we all use just as much electricity as we want, and the brownouts start, then the grid goes down, we are all free to have no electricity. Except for those folks who were smart enough to ignore idiots like you and put in their own solar or wind. And when we all use as much water as we want, and the resevoir goes dry, then we are all free to do without water. You are a fucked up moron, Redfish. There are already several states with cities that are very low on water.

 

[orogenicman]

The thing about the Null Hypothesis is that EMPIRICAL EVIDENCE trumps all the models in the world.
Given Natural variation there is no warming to attribute to CO2..

it was never about man made global warming or climate change, it was about governmental control over how people live. The liberal mind cannot tolerate freedom.

The government controls many aspects of your life, whether or not you want it to. You are not allowed to murder. You are not allowed to steal. You are not allowed to do a lot of things. Freedom is not a free pass to negatively impact the lives of others.

Federal government or local and state?

Yes. You didn't know this? Huh.

I wondered if you did. My issue is not with local or state interference, it is the federal that I have problems with.

So to be clear, you are anti-U.S.

 

[orogenicman]

Contributions to accelerating atmospheric CO2 growth from economic activity, carbon intensity, and efficiency of natural sinks

1. Josep G. Canadell a , b ,
2. Corinne Le Quéré c , d ,
3. Michael R. Raupach a ,
4. Christopher B. Field e ,
5. Erik T. Buitenhuis c ,
6. Philippe Ciais f ,
7. Thomas J. Conway g ,
8. Nathan P. Gillett c ,
9. R. A. Houghton h , and
10. Gregg Marland i , j

Author Affiliations

1. Edited by William C. Clark, Harvard University, Cambridge, MA, and approved September 17, 2007 (received for review March 27, 2007)

1. Abstract
2. Full Text
3. Authors & Info
4. Figures
5. SI
6. Metrics
7. Related Content
8. PDF
9. PDF + SI

Abstract
The growth rate of atmospheric carbon dioxide (CO2), the largest human contributor to human-induced climate change, is increasing rapidly. Three processes contribute to this rapid increase. Two of these processes concern emissions. Recent growth of the world economy combined with an increase in its carbon intensity have led to rapid growth in fossil fuel CO2 emissions since 2000: comparing the 1990s with 2000–2006, the emissions growth rate increased from 1.3% to 3.3% y −1. The third process is indicated by increasing evidence (P = 0.89) for a long-term (50-year) increase in the airborne fraction (AF) of CO2emissions, implying a decline in the efficiency of CO2 sinks on land and oceans in absorbing anthropogenic emissions. Since 2000, the contributions of these three factors to the increase in the atmospheric CO2growth rate have been ≈65 ± 16% from increasing global economic activity, 17 ± 6% from the increasing carbon intensity of the global economy, and 18 ± 15% from the increase in AF. An increasing AF is consistent with results of climate–carbon cycle models, but the magnitude of the observed signal appears larger than that estimated by models. All of these changes characterize a carbon cycle that is generating stronger-than-expected and sooner-than-expected climate forcing.

Real scientists research, not flap-yap pulled out of your asshole, Billy Boob.

Long-term observations of atmospheric CO2 and carbon isotopes at continental sites in Germany - LEVIN - 2002 - Tellus B - Wiley Online Library

Long-term observations of atmospheric CO2 and carbon isotopes at continental sites in Germany

1. 
   
   
   • INGEBORG LEVIN†,
   • ROLF. GRAUL and
   • 1 NEIL B. A. TRIVETT 2

Abstract
A network for regional atmospheric CO2 observations had already been established in Germany by 1972, consisting of 5 stations with basically different characteristics: Westerland, a coastal station at the North Sea, 2 regional stations, Waldhof and Deuselbach, as well as 2 mountain stations, Brotjacklriegel at the eastern boarder of Germany and Schauinsland in the Black Forest. In addition to CO2concentration observations, from 1977 onwards quasi-continuous 13CO2 and 14CO2 measurements were performed on samples from the Schauinsland site, and for the short period 1985-1988, 14CO2 measurements were also made on Westerland samples. CO2 data selection based on wind velocity allows for an estimate of the representative continental CO2 level over Europe. The peak-to-peak amplitude of the seasonal cycles is between 12.1 ppmv (Schauinsland) and 17.6 ppmv (Waldhof). The phase of the seasonal cycles at the German sites is shifted if compared to maritime background sites with the concentration maxima occuring already between beginning of February and beginning of April, the minima in August. The long-term mean CO2 increase rate in the last 20 years at Westerland and Schauinsland is 1.49 and 1.48 ppmv yr−1, respectively. The mean δ13C of the seasonal source CO2 at Schauinsland is calculated from unselected δ13C and CO2 data to be − 25.1‰. From the 14C observations in unselected CO2, we derive yearly mean fossil fuel contributions at Westerland of 4 ppmv, and at Schauinsland of only 2.5 ppmv. Based on the seasonality of the fossil fuel CO2 component at Schauinsland and on concurrently observed atmospheric 222Radon activities, we derive a seasonal amplitude of the fossil fuel CO2source which is higher by a factor of 3 compared to emission estimates for Europe.

Of course, these are real scientists writing these articles, not internet pretenders like you, Billy Boob.

The thing about the Null Hypothesis is that EMPIRICAL EVIDENCE trumps all the models in the world.

There are good reasons to suppose this hypothesis may be true, but the Null Hypothesis says it must be assumed the GHG changes have no effect unless and until increased GHGs are observed to increase global temperature. That is what the scientific method decrees. It does not matter how certain some people may be that the hypothesis is right because observation of reality (i.e. empiricism) trumps all opinions.

Given Natural variation there is no warming to attribute to CO2..

it was never about man made global warming or climate change, it was about governmental control over how people live. The liberal mind cannot tolerate freedom.

The government controls many aspects of your life, whether or not you want it to. You are not allowed to murder. You are not allowed to steal. You are not allowed to do a lot of things. Freedom is not a free pass to negatively impact the lives of others.

should each of us be able to decide what kind of light bulbs to use and how much water comes out of our shower head?

murder and stealing are moral issues, light bulbs and shower heads are control issues.

Last time I was at Lowes, there were at least 100 different or more types of light bulbs. Seems to me there are plenty from which to choose.

So you don't mind legislating morality as long as it doesn't involve taking away your "right" to waste profuse amounts of energy on inefficient product. Got it.

 

[jc456]

it was never about man made global warming or climate change, it was about governmental control over how people live. The liberal mind cannot tolerate freedom.

The government controls many aspects of your life, whether or not you want it to. You are not allowed to murder. You are not allowed to steal. You are not allowed to do a lot of things. Freedom is not a free pass to negatively impact the lives of others.

Federal government or local and state?

Yes. You didn't know this? Huh.

I wondered if you did. My issue is not with local or state interference, it is the federal that I have problems with.

So to be clear, you are anti-U.S.

So to be clear, I am against federal government involvement in my day to day life, yes!!!!!!!

 

[jc456]

Contributions to accelerating atmospheric CO2 growth from economic activity, carbon intensity, and efficiency of natural sinks

1. Josep G. Canadell a , b ,
2. Corinne Le Quéré c , d ,
3. Michael R. Raupach a ,
4. Christopher B. Field e ,
5. Erik T. Buitenhuis c ,
6. Philippe Ciais f ,
7. Thomas J. Conway g ,
8. Nathan P. Gillett c ,
9. R. A. Houghton h , and
10. Gregg Marland i , j

Author Affiliations

1. Edited by William C. Clark, Harvard University, Cambridge, MA, and approved September 17, 2007 (received for review March 27, 2007)

1. Abstract
2. Full Text
3. Authors & Info
4. Figures
5. SI
6. Metrics
7. Related Content
8. PDF
9. PDF + SI

Abstract
The growth rate of atmospheric carbon dioxide (CO2), the largest human contributor to human-induced climate change, is increasing rapidly. Three processes contribute to this rapid increase. Two of these processes concern emissions. Recent growth of the world economy combined with an increase in its carbon intensity have led to rapid growth in fossil fuel CO2 emissions since 2000: comparing the 1990s with 2000–2006, the emissions growth rate increased from 1.3% to 3.3% y −1. The third process is indicated by increasing evidence (P = 0.89) for a long-term (50-year) increase in the airborne fraction (AF) of CO2emissions, implying a decline in the efficiency of CO2 sinks on land and oceans in absorbing anthropogenic emissions. Since 2000, the contributions of these three factors to the increase in the atmospheric CO2growth rate have been ≈65 ± 16% from increasing global economic activity, 17 ± 6% from the increasing carbon intensity of the global economy, and 18 ± 15% from the increase in AF. An increasing AF is consistent with results of climate–carbon cycle models, but the magnitude of the observed signal appears larger than that estimated by models. All of these changes characterize a carbon cycle that is generating stronger-than-expected and sooner-than-expected climate forcing.

Real scientists research, not flap-yap pulled out of your asshole, Billy Boob.

Long-term observations of atmospheric CO2 and carbon isotopes at continental sites in Germany - LEVIN - 2002 - Tellus B - Wiley Online Library

Long-term observations of atmospheric CO2 and carbon isotopes at continental sites in Germany

1. 
   
   
   • INGEBORG LEVIN†,
   • ROLF. GRAUL and
   • 1 NEIL B. A. TRIVETT 2

Abstract
A network for regional atmospheric CO2 observations had already been established in Germany by 1972, consisting of 5 stations with basically different characteristics: Westerland, a coastal station at the North Sea, 2 regional stations, Waldhof and Deuselbach, as well as 2 mountain stations, Brotjacklriegel at the eastern boarder of Germany and Schauinsland in the Black Forest. In addition to CO2concentration observations, from 1977 onwards quasi-continuous 13CO2 and 14CO2 measurements were performed on samples from the Schauinsland site, and for the short period 1985-1988, 14CO2 measurements were also made on Westerland samples. CO2 data selection based on wind velocity allows for an estimate of the representative continental CO2 level over Europe. The peak-to-peak amplitude of the seasonal cycles is between 12.1 ppmv (Schauinsland) and 17.6 ppmv (Waldhof). The phase of the seasonal cycles at the German sites is shifted if compared to maritime background sites with the concentration maxima occuring already between beginning of February and beginning of April, the minima in August. The long-term mean CO2 increase rate in the last 20 years at Westerland and Schauinsland is 1.49 and 1.48 ppmv yr−1, respectively. The mean δ13C of the seasonal source CO2 at Schauinsland is calculated from unselected δ13C and CO2 data to be − 25.1‰. From the 14C observations in unselected CO2, we derive yearly mean fossil fuel contributions at Westerland of 4 ppmv, and at Schauinsland of only 2.5 ppmv. Based on the seasonality of the fossil fuel CO2 component at Schauinsland and on concurrently observed atmospheric 222Radon activities, we derive a seasonal amplitude of the fossil fuel CO2source which is higher by a factor of 3 compared to emission estimates for Europe.

Of course, these are real scientists writing these articles, not internet pretenders like you, Billy Boob.

The thing about the Null Hypothesis is that EMPIRICAL EVIDENCE trumps all the models in the world.

There are good reasons to suppose this hypothesis may be true, but the Null Hypothesis says it must be assumed the GHG changes have no effect unless and until increased GHGs are observed to increase global temperature. That is what the scientific method decrees. It does not matter how certain some people may be that the hypothesis is right because observation of reality (i.e. empiricism) trumps all opinions.

Given Natural variation there is no warming to attribute to CO2..

it was never about man made global warming or climate change, it was about governmental control over how people live. The liberal mind cannot tolerate freedom.

The government controls many aspects of your life, whether or not you want it to. You are not allowed to murder. You are not allowed to steal. You are not allowed to do a lot of things. Freedom is not a free pass to negatively impact the lives of others.

should each of us be able to decide what kind of light bulbs to use and how much water comes out of our shower head?

murder and stealing are moral issues, light bulbs and shower heads are control issues.

Last time I was at Lowes, there were at least 100 different or more types of light bulbs. Seems to me there are plenty from which to choose.

So you don't mind legislating morality as long as it doesn't involve taking away your "right" to waste profuse amounts of energy on inefficient product. Got it.

to avoid being killed by toxic mercury, yeah!!!!

 

[jc456]

Ah yes, when we all use just as much electricity as we want, and the brownouts start, then the grid goes down, we are all free to have no electricity. Except for those folks who were smart enough to ignore idiots like you and put in their own solar or wind. And when we all use as much water as we want, and the resevoir goes dry, then we are all free to do without water. You are a fucked up moron, Redfish. There are already several states with cities that are very low on water.

where has that happened at? let's see those facts laid out with evidence. Most electrical draw is from furnaces and air conditioning units. so How good are those, how about TVs, refrigeraters, ovens/stove/ multi- room homes, and while we're here your recourse is to have everyone die!!!