The Trump peace plan is doomed to fail

[Lisa558]

The world powers after WW2 repatriated the Jews to their rightful homeland. Go pound sand anti-semite.

the most annoying thing about that particular antisemite is that he races in to call other people racist. And that just typifies the Dem Party: bigotry is bad and must be fought, unless it’s against Jews and then we’ll promote it.

 

[Shusha]

The Nazis took other people's land and systematically killed them.
The Zionists took over other people's land and are systematically killing them.

Not an especially accurate or useful definition of "Nazi". In fact, one crafted specifically so you can accuse "Zionists" (read: Jews).

Also since the population of Arab Palestinians is 24 times larger than it was in 1922, Jews are really, really quite terrible at this whole "systematic killing" thing.

 

[JoeB131]

The world powers after WW2 repatriated the Jews to their rightful homeland. Go pound sand anti-semite.

If the world powers were so keen on a Jewish state, we should have given them one of ours.

I'm not sure what the logic is of living next to people who want to kill you.

 

[JoeB131]

the most annoying thing about that particular antisemite is that he races in to call other people racist. And that just typifies the Dem Party: bigotry is bad and must be fought, unless it’s against Jews and then we’ll promote it.

Your religion is not a race. You are as white as I am.

Not an especially accurate or useful definition of "Nazi". In fact, one crafted specifically so you can accuse "Zionists" (read: Jews).

Actually, they are both based on an extreme form of nationalism with just a twist of religious stupidity.

Also since the population of Arab Palestinians is 24 times larger than it was in 1922, Jews are really, really quite terrible at this whole "systematic killing" thing.

Are there more Jews today than there were in 1922? If there are, then why are you still whining about Nazi genocide?

 

[Shusha]

Actually, they are both based on an extreme form of nationalism with just a twist of religious stupidity.

What makes a nationalism "extreme" instead of just normal everyday nationalism?

Are there more Jews today than there were in 1922? If there are, then why are you still whining about Nazi genocide?

There are fewer Jews in the world today than there were before the Holocaust. Get it now? That is what "systematic killing" looks like.

 

[JoeB131]

There are fewer Jews in the world today than there were before the Holocaust. Get it now? That is what "systematic killing" looks like.

Not really. There were 6 million Jews in the world in 1888. That number is 16 million today.

Populations shift and move, that's the point.

Incidently the Palestinian population in 1922 was 589,000. Today it's about 6 million still living in Israel and the Occupied territories.

 

[beagle9]

Not really. There were 6 million Jews in the world in 1888. That number is 16 million today.

Populations shift and move, that's the point.

Incidently the Palestinian population in 1922 was 589,000. Today it's about 6 million still living in Israel and the Occupied territories.

Now how on earth can that beee ? You say that Pali's are living and thriving in increased numbers while living in Israel and the occupied territories ??? Can't be !!!

Nothing like going forth to multiply the earth while simultaneously being oppressed, killed, stolen from and other narratives being spun by the leftist machine around the world eh ??

I wish you people could somehow keep your narratives straight.

 

[Shusha]

Not really. There were 6 million Jews in the world in 1888. That number is 16 million today.

Populations shift and move, that's the point.

Incidently the Palestinian population in 1922 was 589,000. Today it's about 6 million still living in Israel and the Occupied territories.

No, the point was NOT that populations shift and move, the point was "systematic killing", remember?

If you want to start from the same year to compare apples to apples:

Then (1939): 1 million Arab "Palestinians". Now: 15 million Arab "Palestinians".
Then (1939 pre-Holocaust): 16.5 million Jews. Now: 15.8 million Jews.

There should be 30 million Jews in the world, at least. And that would be if the Jewish population only doubled since 1939. If the Jewish population had exploded (and was counted) the way the Arab "Palestinians" did, there would be 248 million Jews in the world.

That is what systematic killing looks like.

 

[JoeB131]

Then (1939): 1 million Arab "Palestinians". Now: 15 million Arab "Palestinians".
Then (1939 pre-Holocaust): 16.5 million Jews. Now: 15.8 million Jews.

Well, I kind of doubt those numbers, to be honest.

I guess it depends how you define a Jew. Are they still Jews if they give up the religion? Marry a Goyim and raise their kids as Goyim?

And are you really arguing there are 15 million Palestinians? In that case, Israel truly is an apartheid state.

 

[Shusha]

Well, I kind of doubt those numbers, to be honest.

I guess it depends how you define a Jew. Are they still Jews if they give up the religion? Marry a Goyim and raise their kids as Goyim?

And are you really arguing there are 15 million Palestinians? In that case, Israel truly is an apartheid state.

Nope. You don't get to dodge the point. You are arguing a factual and moral equivalency of "systematic killing" between an exterminationist ideology where the target population was reduced to such an extent that it still hasn't replaced itself 86 years later to an ideology where the alleged target population has increased 15-fold in that same 86 year period. These things are demonstrably not the same.


Estimated Palestinian Population in the World by Country of Residence, End Year 2024
State of Palestine 5,490,307
1948 Territories 1,793,465
Arab Countries 6,404,573
Foreign Countries 1,197,492
Total 14,885,83

Source: Palestine Bureau of Statistics, page 18.

 

[Lisa558]

Nope. You don't get to dodge the point. You are arguing a factual and moral equivalency of "systematic killing" between an exterminationist ideology where the target population was reduced to such an extent that it still hasn't replaced itself 86 years later to an ideology where the alleged target population has increased 15-fold in that same 86 year period. These things are demonstrably not the same.


Estimated Palestinian Population in the World by Country of Residence, End Year 2024
State of Palestine 5,490,307
1948 Territories 1,793,465
Arab Countries 6,404,573
Foreign Countries 1,197,492
Total 14,885,83

Source: Palestine Bureau of Statistics, page 18.

What he’s doing is painting a false equivalence, driven by his antisemitism. Every thinking person knows that.

 

[Lisa558]

No, the point was NOT that populations shift and move, the point was "systematic killing", remember?

If you want to start from the same year to compare apples to apples:

Then (1939): 1 million Arab "Palestinians". Now: 15 million Arab "Palestinians".
Then (1939 pre-Holocaust): 16.5 million Jews. Now: 15.8 million Jews.

There should be 30 million Jews in the world, at least. And that would be if the Jewish population only doubled since 1939. If the Jewish population had exploded (and was counted) the way the Arab "Palestinians" did, there would be 248 million Jews in the world.

That is what systematic killing looks like.

Just think. Eighty years after Hitler wiped out half the world’s Jews (and 2/3rds of Europe’s), we have still not yet recovered in terms of population.

 

[JoeB131]

Nope. You don't get to dodge the point. You are arguing a factual and moral equivalency of "systematic killing" between an exterminationist ideology where the target population was reduced to such an extent that it still hasn't replaced itself 86 years later to an ideology where the alleged target population has increased 15-fold in that same 86 year period. These things are demonstrably not the same.


Estimated Palestinian Population in the World by Country of Residence, End Year 2024
State of Palestine 5,490,307
1948 Territories 1,793,465
Arab Countries 6,404,573
Foreign Countries 1,197,492
Total 14,885,83

Source: Palestine Bureau of Statistics, page 18.

So ,wait, guy, you are admitting the Zionists have driven half the population out. That's a form of Genocide, guy. Driving people from their native lands.

So it's the Arabs fault that you haven't replaced yourselves at decent numbers?

A total of 70 million people died in WWII (I know, amazing, it just didn't happen to you!!!) Most of them have vastly replaced their numbers. If you haven't, that's on you.

Probably not a good idea if you are intent on keeping stolen land, and half of you don't want to live in this desert your so fond of.

 

[JoeB131]

Just think. Eighty years after Hitler wiped out half the world’s Jews (and 2/3rds of Europe’s), we have still not yet recovered in terms of population.

Whose fault is that? I mean, sure, Hitler did a bad, but nothing stopped you from making more babies.

What he’s doing is painting a false equivalence, driven by his antisemitism. Every thinking person knows that.

How is it a false equivlency? The Germans killed the Jews to take their stuff. The Israelis are killing the Palestinians to take their stuff.

Keep in mind, 80% of German and Austrian Jews survived the war. Why? Because killing them wasn't the original plan, just driving them out of Germany was. It was only after the British stopped letting Hitler dump them in Palestine or otherwise deport them, that they escalated to extermination. Most of the Jews who didn't survive the War were Polish, Russian, or Hungarian.

 

[Shusha]

How is it a false equivlency? The Germans killed the Jews to take their stuff. The Israelis are killing the Palestinians to take their stuff.

The false equivalency is your original claim that "systematic killing" is being conducted by Israel equivalent to the extermination of the Jews under Nazi Germany. This is patently a blood libel, as evidenced by the global populations of both peoples.

This new claim that the Nazi ideology was simply to "take stuff that belongs to Jews" and that the ideology of the formation and continuation of Israel is simply to "take stuff that belongs to Arabs" is a reduction to the absurd for both. You make this reduction exclusively for the purpose of equating one with the other in order to demonize Israel.

Nazi ideology claims that Jews have no right to exist. Modern anti-Israel ideology claims a Jewish state has no right to exist. Same story, different cover. Its not about taking stuff - its about the existence or extermination of human rights.

 

[JoeB131]

The false equivalency is your original claim that "systematic killing" is being conducted by Israel equivalent to the extermination of the Jews under Nazi Germany. This is patently a blood libel, as evidenced by the global populations of both peoples.

Nope, your failure to breed at replacement numbers isn't the Palestinians fault that they are replacing themselves faster than you can kill them.

This new claim that the Nazi ideology was simply to "take stuff that belongs to Jews" and that the ideology of the formation and continuation of Israel is simply to "take stuff that belongs to Arabs" is a reduction to the absurd for both. You make this reduction exclusively for the purpose of equating one with the other in order to demonize Israel.

Um, not really seeing the difference. The Zionists might be less efficient mass murderers than the Nazis were, but they are still mass murderers.

Nazi ideology claims that Jews have no right to exist.

When did it claim that? Hitler's initial goal was to just expel them from the Reich. Killing them only became the plan when no one else would take them.

 

[beagle9]

Nope, your failure to breed at replacement numbers isn't the Palestinians fault that they are replacing themselves faster than you can kill them.



Um, not really seeing the difference. The Zionists might be less efficient mass murderers than the Nazis were, but they are still mass murderers.



When did it claim that? Hitler's initial goal was to just expel them from the Reich. Killing them only became the plan when no one else would take them.

You support mass murderers every time there is a war, otherwise when your team is involved in it. Say it ain't so and I'll call you a bold faced liar.

Everyone has a team they support, and if war breaks out as a last resort, then of course you will be hoping that your team wins, and hoping that your ace will be safe in your nation because of your team winning.

But for some reason people like you act as if war is never necessary under any circumstances, and if one breaks out then you want to blame the nation that you live safely in because you are anti-war no matter who the blame falls upon.

Israel had every right to go to war against the hornets nest that became Hamas who built that hornets nest for one purpose and one purpose only (to wage war with Israel at any cost).

If the Palestinian's would have chosen a different path for GAZA and themselves besides HATE, then Hamas would have never been able to put them into the awful position that they had allowed themselves to be placed in.

HAMAS showed itself to be as bad as Ai-Quida was, yet the Palis went along with the constant shelling and suicide bombings of Israel for year's.

 

[Lisa558]

The false equivalency is your original claim that "systematic killing" is being conducted by Israel equivalent to the extermination of the Jews under Nazi Germany. This is patently a blood libel, as evidenced by the global populations of both peoples.

This new claim that the Nazi ideology was simply to "take stuff that belongs to Jews" and that the ideology of the formation and continuation of Israel is simply to "take stuff that belongs to Arabs" is a reduction to the absurd for both. You make this reduction exclusively for the purpose of equating one with the other in order to demonize Israel.

Nazi ideology claims that Jews have no right to exist. Modern anti-Israel ideology claims a Jewish state has no right to exist. Same story, different cover. Its not about taking stuff - its about the existence or extermination of human rights.

Kyzina, who as we both know is one of the 50 socks of the antisemite Hondo, thinks it’s “funny” that so much of the world’s Jews were exterminated that now, even after 80 years, we have still not recovered in numbers.

 

[kyzina]

Kyzina, who as we both know is one of the 50 socks of the antisemite Hondo, thinks it’s “funny” that so much of the world’s Jews were exterminated that now, even after 80 years, we have still not recovered in numbers.

Whatever you say, Habara.

 

[Lisa558]

Whatever you say, Habara.

This forum sure is crawling with antisemites.