The Troops are concerned about gays serving openly.

[bodecea]

"Interesting....even Grunt11b admits now that he was wrong....you seem to be of the frame of mind that people have only served if they agree with your opinon on DADT. Rest assured....I served for 21 years and am now retired. And I totally disagree with you.....you will now probably say I didn't serve. That seems to be your M.O." (bodecea)

Good day bodecea. Those of us who serve, and who have served have certain core values ingrained into our persona's. You've probably noticed that active duty, and veterans alike place high value in Loyalty, Integrity, Honor, Duty, Respect, Selfless Service, and Personal Courage.

Therefore it doesn't surprise me that Grunt11b, has admitted his error. No one is right 100% of the time. I can tell you that I too am mistaken at times. That is why I will admit to my errors as well. It comes down to the issue of trust. Service men and women place a high value on that commodity. Liars aren't tolerated.

Trust is the highest compliment that one soldier can pay to another. Along with trust the concept of team is paramount. Military core values are missing from the civilian rank and file. That is why you may have a hard time following what I'm about to say.

In the military it's all about the common well being of the whole. Team! This is the foundation of esprit de corp/ morale. Team, along with a professional NCO corps is what sets the American military apart from all others. That sense of team is what sets veterans apart from the civilian rank and file. I would trust Grunt11b, but I can't say that I'd trust many of you who've responded to this thread.

Civilians don't understand the concept or benefits of team. That is why civilians can't understand the damage that will be done by letting sexual deviants serve openly in the military.

By the way Bod, let me know how you make out at the rest area? I'll bet that you'll have a great time.

What a shame that you would destroy such a good, well thought out post with such childishness. But it seems to be what you do.

 

[yota5]

Civilians don't understand the concept or benefits of team. That is why civilians can't understand the damage that will be done by letting sexual deviants serve openly in the military

I personally don't like arguments in which you could replace the word gay with things like black and make the same point. I've argued DADT to allow them to live their own life and I see no reason they need to tell other then as a political statement. That argument cannot be used for "black." But from your argument, shouldn't you as a member of a team not pass judgment for doing things that don't affect you in any way? What kind of a teammate are you when you do that?

Kaz, I have always been considered a respected, reliable team mate. That is an earned reputation. How about you?

I believe that gays should be allowed to lead their own lives in a law abiding manner in the civilian sector. That is their right as U.S. Citizens. However serving in the military isn't a right. Military service is a privilege that demands high standards. Sexual deviance is not an acceptable standard. The privilage of military service is refused for many reasons. Sexual deviance is just one of those reasons. Kaz, I think that if you truly understood the impact of team concept in the military you and I wouldn't be having this conversation.

One last thing where did this black thing come from. I've served with black soldiers that I counted as my friends, and whom I would trust with my life. They in turn would trust me with theirs. We called these folks soldiers. They were only given a color component when dealt with narrow minded civilians. Is this black thing a desperate, racist attempt to deflect attention away from the fact that sexual deviants shouldn't be serving openly in the military?

Have a nice day.

 

[gekaap]

OK, fair enough. In the United States it's primarily a gay disease based on rates of homosexuals who have it versus heterosexuals. Though this is obvious since I quoted the CDC rates in the United States.

I'm not arguing this nit picky point anymore without new data. It's obviously a disease that strikes primarily homosexuals in this country. Their activities foster spreading the disease more then whites in this country to make you happy. I didn't draw any moral conclusion from that, I pointed out the fact. And that fact is irrefutable.

And yet you continue to refuse to seek any data that are specific to the military.

 

[yota5]

"Interesting....even Grunt11b admits now that he was wrong....you seem to be of the frame of mind that people have only served if they agree with your opinon on DADT. Rest assured....I served for 21 years and am now retired. And I totally disagree with you.....you will now probably say I didn't serve. That seems to be your M.O." (bodecea)

Good day bodecea. Those of us who serve, and who have served have certain core values ingrained into our persona's. You've probably noticed that active duty, and veterans alike place high value in Loyalty, Integrity, Honor, Duty, Respect, Selfless Service, and Personal Courage.

Therefore it doesn't surprise me that Grunt11b, has admitted his error. No one is right 100% of the time. I can tell you that I too am mistaken at times. That is why I will admit to my errors as well. It comes down to the issue of trust. Service men and women place a high value on that commodity. Liars aren't tolerated.

Trust is the highest compliment that one soldier can pay to another. Along with trust the concept of team is paramount. Military core values are missing from the civilian rank and file. That is why you may have a hard time following what I'm about to say.

In the military it's all about the common well being of the whole. Team! This is the foundation of esprit de corp/ morale. Team, along with a professional NCO corps is what sets the American military apart from all others. That sense of team is what sets veterans apart from the civilian rank and file. I would trust Grunt11b, but I can't say that I'd trust many of you who've responded to this thread.

Civilians don't understand the concept or benefits of team. That is why civilians can't understand the damage that will be done by letting sexual deviants serve openly in the military.

By the way Bod, let me know how you make out at the rest area? I'll bet that you'll have a great time.

What a shame that you would destroy such a good, well thought out post with such childishness. But it seems to be what you do.

Sorry about that Bod. I just reread my reply. That was over the top. There is no excuse for that. Please accept my apology.

 

[High_Gravity]

What is the concern about gays in the Military? gay sex orgies everywhere?

 

[bodecea]

What is the concern about gays in the Military? gay sex orgies everywhere?

Apparently straight soldiers/sailors concerned that gay soldiers/sailors will not be able to resist them.

Women soldiers/sailors everywhere are laughing.

 

[Spoonman]

I had a conversation with my oldest son yesterday. He is career military. He just finished his fourth sensitivity training class about gays serving openly in the military. The troops can't comment on this issue or make disparaging remarks about the CinC. They've been advised that this is the way it will be; live with it.

In all of the classes they've been given one thing has been left out. The danger of HIV infection through direct contact with blood. Blood is the biggest bio-hazard on any accident scene. Civilians will say put on surgical gloves. A soldier would say that when you're wearing your buddies brains all over your face that wont do any good.

As a soldier I could count on my buddies doing everything in their power to bring me or my body back home. My buddies could count on the same thing from me. An openly gay soldier on the battlefield will lay where they fall. This is a very real degradation of military core values. Yet the troops feel that touching the openly gay soldiers blood would expose them to the very really threat of AIDS. That is a death sentence that will be resisted.

Morale is already being affected in a very negative way. The troops feel like they're being kicked in the stomach, and that they're being put into a life threatening situation. Once again people who've never served a second in uniform are making life threatening decisions that will carry dire consequences for the young men and women that this country sends into harms way. I think that congress, and the president need sensitivity training.

I'd be more concerned about having an idiot for a commander in chief.

 

[slukasiewski]

What is the concern about gays in the Military? gay sex orgies everywhere?

Mainly - they can't be trusted. For starters, they lie to get in, fraudulantly. Right off the bat, they've committed a felony...

 

[rightwinger]

What is the concern about gays in the Military? gay sex orgies everywhere?

His son will knowingly hang out with gays and may catch "the ghey"

 

[slukasiewski]

I had a conversation with my oldest son yesterday. He is career military. He just finished his fourth sensitivity training class about gays serving openly in the military. The troops can't comment on this issue or make disparaging remarks about the CinC. They've been advised that this is the way it will be; live with it.

In all of the classes they've been given one thing has been left out. The danger of HIV infection through direct contact with blood. Blood is the biggest bio-hazard on any accident scene. Civilians will say put on surgical gloves. A soldier would say that when you're wearing your buddies brains all over your face that wont do any good.

As a soldier I could count on my buddies doing everything in their power to bring me or my body back home. My buddies could count on the same thing from me. An openly gay soldier on the battlefield will lay where they fall. This is a very real degradation of military core values. Yet the troops feel that touching the openly gay soldiers blood would expose them to the very really threat of AIDS. That is a death sentence that will be resisted.

Morale is already being affected in a very negative way. The troops feel like they're being kicked in the stomach, and that they're being put into a life threatening situation. Once again people who've never served a second in uniform are making life threatening decisions that will carry dire consequences for the young men and women that this country sends into harms way. I think that congress, and the president need sensitivity training.

I'd be more concerned about having an idiot for a commander in chief.

Judging by Obama's performance to date, it's obvious any idiot can become President of the U.S.

 

[slukasiewski]

What is the concern about gays in the Military? gay sex orgies everywhere?

His son will knowingly hang out with gays and may catch "the ghey"

When did you catch "The Ghey," or were you born that way?

 

[rightwinger]

I had a conversation with my oldest son yesterday. He is career military. He just finished his fourth sensitivity training class about gays serving openly in the military. The troops can't comment on this issue or make disparaging remarks about the CinC. They've been advised that this is the way it will be; live with it.

In all of the classes they've been given one thing has been left out. The danger of HIV infection through direct contact with blood. Blood is the biggest bio-hazard on any accident scene. Civilians will say put on surgical gloves. A soldier would say that when you're wearing your buddies brains all over your face that wont do any good.

As a soldier I could count on my buddies doing everything in their power to bring me or my body back home. My buddies could count on the same thing from me. An openly gay soldier on the battlefield will lay where they fall. This is a very real degradation of military core values. Yet the troops feel that touching the openly gay soldiers blood would expose them to the very really threat of AIDS. That is a death sentence that will be resisted.

Morale is already being affected in a very negative way. The troops feel like they're being kicked in the stomach, and that they're being put into a life threatening situation. Once again people who've never served a second in uniform are making life threatening decisions that will carry dire consequences for the young men and women that this country sends into harms way. I think that congress, and the president need sensitivity training.

I'd be more concerned about having an idiot for a commander in chief.

Tell me about it

I still can't believe Bush sacrificed 4000 soldiers to invade Iraq....

And we worry about gays? Show me where gay soldiers/sailors have killed 4000 of their fellow soldiers

 

[bodecea]

What is the concern about gays in the Military? gay sex orgies everywhere?

His son will knowingly hang out with gays and may catch "the ghey"

It's "Teh ghey"....don't you know anything about The Gay Agenda?

 

[bodecea]

What is the concern about gays in the Military? gay sex orgies everywhere?

His son will knowingly hang out with gays and may catch "the ghey"

When did you catch "The Ghey," or were you born that way?

Watch out, rightwinger....Gh0ster's hitting on you.

 

[slukasiewski]

I had a conversation with my oldest son yesterday. He is career military. He just finished his fourth sensitivity training class about gays serving openly in the military. The troops can't comment on this issue or make disparaging remarks about the CinC. They've been advised that this is the way it will be; live with it.

In all of the classes they've been given one thing has been left out. The danger of HIV infection through direct contact with blood. Blood is the biggest bio-hazard on any accident scene. Civilians will say put on surgical gloves. A soldier would say that when you're wearing your buddies brains all over your face that wont do any good.

As a soldier I could count on my buddies doing everything in their power to bring me or my body back home. My buddies could count on the same thing from me. An openly gay soldier on the battlefield will lay where they fall. This is a very real degradation of military core values. Yet the troops feel that touching the openly gay soldiers blood would expose them to the very really threat of AIDS. That is a death sentence that will be resisted.

Morale is already being affected in a very negative way. The troops feel like they're being kicked in the stomach, and that they're being put into a life threatening situation. Once again people who've never served a second in uniform are making life threatening decisions that will carry dire consequences for the young men and women that this country sends into harms way. I think that congress, and the president need sensitivity training.

I'd be more concerned about having an idiot for a commander in chief.

Tell me about it

I still can't believe Bush sacrificed 4000 soldiers to invade Iraq....

And we worry about gays? Show me where gay soldiers/sailors have killed 4000 of their fellow soldiers

Pssst.... hey brainiac,

"The Iraq Resolution or the Iraq War Resolution (formally the Authorization for Use of Military Force Against Iraq Resolution of 2002,[1] Pub.L. 107-243, 116 Stat. 1498, enacted October 16, 2002, H.J.Res. 114) is a joint resolution passed by the United States Congress in October 2002 as Public Law No: 107-243, authorizing the Iraq War."

Get it - ?? JOINT RESOLUTION.

Something Obama Hussein didn't get prior-to invading Libya.

Resume drooling on yourself.

 

[Spoonman]

I had a conversation with my oldest son yesterday. He is career military. He just finished his fourth sensitivity training class about gays serving openly in the military. The troops can't comment on this issue or make disparaging remarks about the CinC. They've been advised that this is the way it will be; live with it.

In all of the classes they've been given one thing has been left out. The danger of HIV infection through direct contact with blood. Blood is the biggest bio-hazard on any accident scene. Civilians will say put on surgical gloves. A soldier would say that when you're wearing your buddies brains all over your face that wont do any good.

As a soldier I could count on my buddies doing everything in their power to bring me or my body back home. My buddies could count on the same thing from me. An openly gay soldier on the battlefield will lay where they fall. This is a very real degradation of military core values. Yet the troops feel that touching the openly gay soldiers blood would expose them to the very really threat of AIDS. That is a death sentence that will be resisted.

Morale is already being affected in a very negative way. The troops feel like they're being kicked in the stomach, and that they're being put into a life threatening situation. Once again people who've never served a second in uniform are making life threatening decisions that will carry dire consequences for the young men and women that this country sends into harms way. I think that congress, and the president need sensitivity training.

I'd be more concerned about having an idiot for a commander in chief.

Judging by Obama's performance to date, it's obvious any idiot can become President of the U.S.

all you need is a race card and a few million idiots to follow you. Obama had both. he is half black and there are a shit load of libs out there waiting to baaaaah and mooooo

 

[Spoonman]

I had a conversation with my oldest son yesterday. He is career military. He just finished his fourth sensitivity training class about gays serving openly in the military. The troops can't comment on this issue or make disparaging remarks about the CinC. They've been advised that this is the way it will be; live with it.

In all of the classes they've been given one thing has been left out. The danger of HIV infection through direct contact with blood. Blood is the biggest bio-hazard on any accident scene. Civilians will say put on surgical gloves. A soldier would say that when you're wearing your buddies brains all over your face that wont do any good.

As a soldier I could count on my buddies doing everything in their power to bring me or my body back home. My buddies could count on the same thing from me. An openly gay soldier on the battlefield will lay where they fall. This is a very real degradation of military core values. Yet the troops feel that touching the openly gay soldiers blood would expose them to the very really threat of AIDS. That is a death sentence that will be resisted.

Morale is already being affected in a very negative way. The troops feel like they're being kicked in the stomach, and that they're being put into a life threatening situation. Once again people who've never served a second in uniform are making life threatening decisions that will carry dire consequences for the young men and women that this country sends into harms way. I think that congress, and the president need sensitivity training.

I'd be more concerned about having an idiot for a commander in chief.

Tell me about it

I still can't believe Bush sacrificed 4000 soldiers to invade Iraq....

And we worry about gays? Show me where gay soldiers/sailors have killed 4000 of their fellow soldiers

At least when Bush goes to war he follows the rules and gets congressional approval first.

 

[slukasiewski]

I'd be more concerned about having an idiot for a commander in chief.

Judging by Obama's performance to date, it's obvious any idiot can become President of the U.S.

all you need is a race card and a few million idiots to follow you. Obama had both. he is half black and there are a shit load of libs out there waiting to baaaaah and mooooo

I agree - and it'll be just as bad when the first *** or carpetymuncher is elected to the White House. Hopefully we'll never see that happen. Obama's incompetence is award winning as it is!

 

[slukasiewski]

I'd be more concerned about having an idiot for a commander in chief.

Tell me about it

I still can't believe Bush sacrificed 4000 soldiers to invade Iraq....

And we worry about gays? Show me where gay soldiers/sailors have killed 4000 of their fellow soldiers

At least when Bush goes to war he follows the rules and gets congressional approval first.

And at least when he SERVED in the military - he served HONORABLY. He didn't commit a felony on his application by lying.... like gheys do.

 

[High_Gravity]

What is the concern about gays in the Military? gay sex orgies everywhere?

Apparently straight soldiers/sailors concerned that gay soldiers/sailors will not be able to resist them.

Women soldiers/sailors everywhere are laughing.

But there are already gay soldiers/sailors in the service, so whats really changing??