yeah, keep believing that
because of course, if its not on the internet, it didnt happen
The Stupidity Of The Gates Arrest
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because of course, if its not on the internet, it didnt happen
ohhhhhhhhh my!
hmmmmm, after looking at it...i think it is precisely what you were thinking it was....!
Anguille
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Maybe the voices in your head said it.
i dont have voices in my head like you doMaybe the voices in your head said it.
Missourian
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Valerie found it, only it wasn't the District Attorney of Middlesex County
...it was the Massachussetts Attorney General.
...it was the Massachussetts Attorney General.
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Ravi
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With all due respect to Val, there is no statement by Croakley that made either of your claims: The DA has stated repeatedly the officer was well within protocol to arrest Gates and that dropping the charges had no bearing whatsoever on the legitimacy of the arrest.
She didn't say the officer was well within protocol.
She didn't say that dropping the charges had no bearing on the legitimacy of the arrest.
She also implied neither.
In fact she stated repeatedly, just like Obama did, that she didn't know all the facts. I'm surprised you aren't jumping all over her for making that claim and then speculating on what went on.
I found it interesting that Croakley claimed Gates said he was lured outside by the police officer when in fact Gates has said he went out of his own free will and wasn't lured.
She didn't say the officer was well within protocol.
She didn't say that dropping the charges had no bearing on the legitimacy of the arrest.
She also implied neither.
In fact she stated repeatedly, just like Obama did, that she didn't know all the facts. I'm surprised you aren't jumping all over her for making that claim and then speculating on what went on.
I found it interesting that Croakley claimed Gates said he was lured outside by the police officer when in fact Gates has said he went out of his own free will and wasn't lured.
Tommy Lucchese
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The legitimacy of an arrest and the ability to prosecute it or sustain an indictment are two totally different things, performed by two different agencies.
This is why the focus of clearance rates for crimes is a red herring, because a clearance doesn't even necessarily mean anyone was even arrested; we should be looking at conviction rates.
This is why the focus of clearance rates for crimes is a red herring, because a clearance doesn't even necessarily mean anyone was even arrested; we should be looking at conviction rates.
Missourian
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She didn't say the officer was well within protocol.
She didn't say that dropping the charges had no bearing on the legitimacy of the arrest.
She also implied neither.
In fact she stated repeatedly, just like Obama did, that she didn't know all the facts. I'm surprised you aren't jumping all over her for making that claim and then speculating on what went on.
I found it interesting that Croakley claimed Gates said he was lured outside by the police officer when in fact Gates has said he went out of his own free will and wasn't lured.
She gave her opinion that the officer was in the right days after the charges were dropped.
As to her knowledge of the case, I stand corrected.
How could I overlook the obvious fact that you and Ang and Care have superior insight into this case...far beyond the resources and connections of a lowly Attorney General of the State of Massachusetts.
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paperview
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Maybe you can share for us what the Mass AG said at "around the 34 min mark."
I think most of us, even those of us who aren't especially sympathetic to most cops, understand why cops develop an attitude.
They have to deal with crap all day long, they deal mostly with civilians who are scum, there's always a chance they'll encounter a nutter or a truly bad guy who will off them, too.
But then look at it from most civilians position.
We're innocent people who are paying these people's salaries.
We expect to be treated with respect, and far too often, cops are not respectful (see above for the often good reasons they're not) and so we end up thinking that cops are basically bullies.
This tension between cops and innocent civilians is to be expected.
The cops have the unenviable position of having to deal with people who assume they're assholes because so fucking many cops are (or seem to us to be) arrogant assholes.
should be invited for that beer too as she has suffered as much over the attention drawn to her by her own President's remarks. She's upset, been called a racist and lots of other names just for being a good citizen and calling the cops.
If I were professor Gates, I would be thanking that officer and the 9-11 caller for checking me and my property out. It's called lookin out for your neighbors.
If I were professor Gates, I would be thanking that officer and the 9-11 caller for checking me and my property out. It's called lookin out for your neighbors.
Ravi
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I can't figure out the time on the video clip. Is that where Coakley criticizes Obama for making judgments without knowing all the facts and then Coakley makes all kinds of judgments without knowing all the facts?
I especially enjoyed her claim that this is an emotional time for Obama.
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Essentially, at that point she said Obama should have STFU.
And BTW - Martha Coakley did properly qualify her statements at the beginning, that she was not privy to all the facts, just as none of us are either...
But said according to everything she did know about the case, that there was no indication the police did anything inappropriate and they were only there doing their duty and following proper protocol by verifying Gates' ID and she spoke about people needing to think about it from the officer's point of view. It's all in the first ten minutes of the interview. People keep projecting all sorts of judgments on the officer when there is NO proof he did anything inappropriate. People are only citing the mere arrest itself as being wrongful and inappropriate, but there is no evidence the police were anything but professional and dispassionate in securing the scene that day.
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Coakley would be more familiar with certain unethical police tactics than Gates. Apparently she recognized one when she saw it whereas Gates is oblivious to having been manipulated.
Missourian
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I wish I could find the text transcript of her remarks, but I couldn't.
Maybe you'll have better luck finding them...as it was your contention that every scrap of information pertinent to Gatesgate is within easy reach on the internet.
Anguille
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I'm not sure what you mean by "clearance"? Dopped charges?
I agree that it is convictions that matter. Unfortunately, arrests are noted on a person's criminal record and that can adversely affect them their entire lives.
I doubt this arrest will have much effect on Gates future job prospects but for an ordinary person this can be a problem.
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No it sounded as if she had knowledge of Mr Gates raising the issue after the fact, which if you listen to the other clip I posted (I'll see if I can find it) He states he was aware at the outset that the officer could arrest him if he stepped outside, which is why he replied to the officer's initial request, "No, I will not!" In the same clip he later admits to proceeding outside after "doing our dance in the kitchen" Mr Gates states that he stepped outside of his own accord.
See how everyone has no problem profiling this cop with his "big ego" and his "unethical tactics" ?
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I almost took the time last night to write them down, but meh. I'm done with this topic.
Tonight we all drink domestic brew and forget about it!
Tommy Lucchese
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A clearance is when an arrest is considered, for lack of a better word, "solved." There is clearance by arrest, clearance by death of suspect, clearance by inability to file charges on the actor. . .you get the idea.
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