The South Carolina incident & enabling

[SAYIT]

What I saw in the video, Mac, was an officer trained to arrest criminals. The officer was not trained to discipline students and that is where the trouble lies. The school system is using police officers for situations where they are not needed.

The student should have been left in her chair while the teacher asked the principal to send help in escorting the class to the library or another classroom not in use. The student who refused to get up could be left in the classroom for the remainder of the day until her guardian / parent came to take her home.

At that point the principal could decide on the length of suspension (with notification that a repeat offense will result in her being expelled from the school). If the student had attempted to leave the classroom after the other students had left then I would consider the principal had the right to expel her from the school.

You cannot sacrifice the entire classroom for one student who is challenging the authority of the teacher, the principal and in this case, a police officer. The classroom should be a place of order. Not chaos.

But you see by allowing one student to be so disruptive the entire class must be removed from her instead of the other way around is in essence of sacrificing the entire classroom.
Our society is not based on one person's illegal behavior being allowed to disrupt others. That' s allowing anarchy.

Danny, if you'll read my reply it would only happen once. Do you believe other students would follow her example if they see she never returns to school? Are they there to learn or to be expelled? I believe they would take note of what happened and realize it does not work. As it stands now? It's not only working, it has become profitable.

Over 1/3 of NYC high-schoolers do not graduate. Yeah ... given the opportunity to create a mess for everyone else on their way out the door, plenty of those kids would grab it and YouTube it.

And yeah ... I understand they are expressing their frustration at the nature and quality of their lives to that point but we can't have disruptive kids ruining every kid's chance at a better life because they are angry and lack self-discipline.

People who bear kids have not just rights in America, but the RESPONSIBILITY to teach their kids about little things like respect for others and others' rights.

 

[dannyboys]

Now tell me who is at fault again?

The unruly little *****.

Bullshit. If she had been a blonde, blue-eyed cheerleader this would have never happened.

Interesting comment. I don't know whether or not race factors into this story but had the matter been handled properly it would not have been given the opportunity to be exploited as such.

If you went to high school you would remember that there are no more arrogant, self-entitled kids than the jocks and the cheerleaders.

Ahhhh I get it. Now we all know where your 'attitude' stems from. You felt 'inadequate' in high school so now you identify "jocks and cheerleaders as your 'enemy who just happen to be mostly conservative leaning.
Same with the military and LE.
Given your obvious obsession with "cheerleaders" let me guess. None of them would have anything to do with you and you never bothered to try out for the football team because you're a weak knee pyjama-boy who wouldn't have a chance making the team.
Need a mint dear?

 

[saintmichaeldefendthem]

So they don't have a right to a cell phone is what you're saying....they just SHOULD have one?

Somehow my generation survived without cell phones. We also had NO problem getting in contact with parents when necessary. Your argument fails on every level.

Your generation survived without a lot of the things kids have in school today. Would you also deny them the right to bring their laptops to school because you didn't have one when you were in school.

Yes, I think laptops bring trouble. My kids go to school where there is good old fashioned textbooks, paper, and pencils. There's also a computer lab for their use. Oh, and kids also don't need iPads in case you were about to ask. How the hell did my generation survive without these things?

OMG You know and understanding nothing about modern education, and I'm talking about world wide, not just the US. Do you think kids in Japan or Sweden, which have excellent results in education, don't allow laptops. That hilarious. Most of the best, most expensive private schools around the world provide them for each student and teacher.

They do? My kids go to private school. I somehow must have missed out when they were passing out free laptops to kids and mine were overlooked.

Any more brilliant insights? Tell us some more about how kids have "rights" to all this technology on their person at all times.

Your kids probably don't go to a private school with high fees, fees high enough so they can purchase laptops for the students and faculty. Such schools do exist, around the world, I know because I've seen it. Your attitude toward education is archaic.

As well, you don't seem to realize that just because you haven't seen or experienced something that doesn't mean it is wrong. Your perspective is limited and narrow minded.

Listen, thickness, they don't NEED laptops. You sound like a shrill loon insisting that kids without laptops and cell phones are being deprived and neglected. And my "perspective" is the same as most people in my generation and older. You're a young, spoiled twit who can't imagine a world that got along just fine without fancy electronics.

By the way, this was the computer we had in the 6th grade. There were two of them in the classroom. If my parents needed to call me, they called the school office and I was brought out of class. How on earth did we survive in such SQUALOR??

 

[Book of Jeremiah]

@saintmichaeldefendthem

Despondent Parents See Foster Care as Only Option

Filled with a mixture of dread and relief one summer morning two years ago, Yahya Abdul-Hakam, an unemployed father of two, did what many fathers would find unthinkable: he turned his eldest daughter, then 11 years old, over to the city's foster care system.

Today, reluctantly recalling that moment, he says he had no choice. For several years, his daughter had been acting out at school, throwing things, screaming in class. At home, her angry outbursts resulted in fights with a younger sister, a cousin, sometimes even with him. Mr. Abdul-Hakam even admitted her to a psychiatric hospital once.

The morning he took her to the Lower Manhattan offices of the city's Administration for Children's Services, a tangle of emotions raced through him. ''Fear, uneasiness, nervousness,'' he recounted. ''It really came to a point where that was the only thing I could do.''

From your link: The adolescents are likely to end up in group homes rather than with foster families.

Out of control kids are not placed in foster homes. If their own parents can't control them, then rent-a-parents certainly can't. If she's in foster care, its because the mother is in jail, doing drugs, or otherwise out of control.

You're not reading that correctly, Michael. "End up" in group homes means end up (as in eventually end up in group homes).

Foster care homes are the first stop in the process. She was obviously still in stage one which is foster care.

Again, I disagree with you. It does not mean that the mother was in jail, on drugs or otherwise out of control. It was the daughter who was out of control and the parent who could no longer cope with it. Billy Graham's son was a rebel before he gave his life to Christ. It happens.

While it is possible that the mother had issues it was not the reason for this girl being put in foster care so let's stay with the facts as they are presented.

 

[saintmichaeldefendthem]

@saintmichaeldefendthem

Despondent Parents See Foster Care as Only Option

Filled with a mixture of dread and relief one summer morning two years ago, Yahya Abdul-Hakam, an unemployed father of two, did what many fathers would find unthinkable: he turned his eldest daughter, then 11 years old, over to the city's foster care system.

Today, reluctantly recalling that moment, he says he had no choice. For several years, his daughter had been acting out at school, throwing things, screaming in class. At home, her angry outbursts resulted in fights with a younger sister, a cousin, sometimes even with him. Mr. Abdul-Hakam even admitted her to a psychiatric hospital once.

The morning he took her to the Lower Manhattan offices of the city's Administration for Children's Services, a tangle of emotions raced through him. ''Fear, uneasiness, nervousness,'' he recounted. ''It really came to a point where that was the only thing I could do.''

From your link: The adolescents are likely to end up in group homes rather than with foster families.

Out of control kids are not placed in foster homes. If their own parents can't control them, then rent-a-parents certainly can't. If she's in foster care, its because the mother is in jail, doing drugs, or otherwise out of control.

You're not reading that correctly, Michael. "End up" in group homes means end up (as in eventually end up in group homes).

Foster care homes are the first stop in the process. She was obviously still in stage one which is foster care.

Again, I disagree with you. It does not mean that the mother was in jail, on drugs or otherwise out of control. It was the daughter who was out of control and the parent who could no longer cope with it. Billy Graham's son was a rebel before he gave his life to Christ. It happens.

While it is possible that the mother had issues it was not the reason for this girl being put in foster care so let's stay with the facts as they are presented.

You don't know why she's in foster care any more than I do, and you're reckless to claim you do. I'm going with the odds. No foster family signs up for out of control youths. Nobody wants them. They go to group homes because nobody else will take them. Who the hell do you think signs up for something like that?

 

[dannyboys]

Spinning, deflecting and poor behavior has been around since humans rose out of the primordial soup. What is new are cell phones so deflecting and spinning isn't as effective as it used to be.

Another reason why no kid needs a cell phone, iPod, or any ither electronic device in a classroom.

Absolutely. I agree. It would also give this girl the proper publicity she deserves. Make her behavior the reason that the schools are now opting to remove all cell phones, ipods, and electronic devices from school property. Once you are on school property? It is a cell phone free zone. Anyone found with a cell phone? Will be sent home with a one day suspension and they can increase it from there. Good idea, Anathema!

During boot camp if one soldier disobeys orders the entire group being trained with him suffer. It is known to work very well because the disobedient soldier is shunned by his own peers. If it works for the military it should certainly work for the school system. It could be that the school authorities wanted to allow this situation to escalate because they want cellphones removed due to teachers who have been exposed for wrong doing in the classroom. Still, the presence of eyewitnesses and their testimonies should be enough (in such cases) and removing the phones is a good idea.

Um, I believe denying someone something like a cell phone on their person and body-checking for them would be a very basic violation of their federal and state civil rights.

"During boot camp...." THIS ISN'T THE MILITARY. It's a freaking high school.

I betting the feral negro ***** would have benefited from not having her cell phone in the class room.
Mobile Phone Bans Lead to Rise in Student Test Scores

I do not believe that calling the girl names is giving you the credibility you may desire in this discussion. There is no excuse for calling her such names. What she needs is discipline. It is quite obvious she didn't receive it growing up and this is the result. It's sad.

Quote: "What you don't learn at home strangers will teach you".
The feral negro ***** is on the road to 'Nowheresville' or the crematorium. At this point no one is going to "discipline" her except the federal prison system or her pimp.
Why don't YOU go try to "discipline" her? Ya ******* right!

 

[Book of Jeremiah]

@saintmichaeldefendthem

Despondent Parents See Foster Care as Only Option

Filled with a mixture of dread and relief one summer morning two years ago, Yahya Abdul-Hakam, an unemployed father of two, did what many fathers would find unthinkable: he turned his eldest daughter, then 11 years old, over to the city's foster care system.

Today, reluctantly recalling that moment, he says he had no choice. For several years, his daughter had been acting out at school, throwing things, screaming in class. At home, her angry outbursts resulted in fights with a younger sister, a cousin, sometimes even with him. Mr. Abdul-Hakam even admitted her to a psychiatric hospital once.

The morning he took her to the Lower Manhattan offices of the city's Administration for Children's Services, a tangle of emotions raced through him. ''Fear, uneasiness, nervousness,'' he recounted. ''It really came to a point where that was the only thing I could do.''

From your link: The adolescents are likely to end up in group homes rather than with foster families.

Out of control kids are not placed in foster homes. If their own parents can't control them, then rent-a-parents certainly can't. If she's in foster care, its because the mother is in jail, doing drugs, or otherwise out of control.

You're not reading that correctly, Michael. "End up" in group homes means end up (as in eventually end up in group homes).

Foster care homes are the first stop in the process. She was obviously still in stage one which is foster care.

Again, I disagree with you. It does not mean that the mother was in jail, on drugs or otherwise out of control. It was the daughter who was out of control and the parent who could no longer cope with it. Billy Graham's son was a rebel before he gave his life to Christ. It happens.

While it is possible that the mother had issues it was not the reason for this girl being put in foster care so let's stay with the facts as they are presented.

You don't know why she's in foster care any more than I do, and you're reckless to claim you do. I'm going with the odds. No foster family signs up for out of control youths. Nobody wants them. They go to group homes because nobody else will take them. Who the hell do you think signs up for something like that?

People who care about troubled children and want to help make a difference in their lives. That's who.

 

[Book of Jeremiah]

Another reason why no kid needs a cell phone, iPod, or any ither electronic device in a classroom.

Absolutely. I agree. It would also give this girl the proper publicity she deserves. Make her behavior the reason that the schools are now opting to remove all cell phones, ipods, and electronic devices from school property. Once you are on school property? It is a cell phone free zone. Anyone found with a cell phone? Will be sent home with a one day suspension and they can increase it from there. Good idea, Anathema!

During boot camp if one soldier disobeys orders the entire group being trained with him suffer. It is known to work very well because the disobedient soldier is shunned by his own peers. If it works for the military it should certainly work for the school system. It could be that the school authorities wanted to allow this situation to escalate because they want cellphones removed due to teachers who have been exposed for wrong doing in the classroom. Still, the presence of eyewitnesses and their testimonies should be enough (in such cases) and removing the phones is a good idea.

Um, I believe denying someone something like a cell phone on their person and body-checking for them would be a very basic violation of their federal and state civil rights.

"During boot camp...." THIS ISN'T THE MILITARY. It's a freaking high school.

I betting the feral negro ***** would have benefited from not having her cell phone in the class room.
Mobile Phone Bans Lead to Rise in Student Test Scores

I do not believe that calling the girl names is giving you the credibility you may desire in this discussion. There is no excuse for calling her such names. What she needs is discipline. It is quite obvious she didn't receive it growing up and this is the result. It's sad.

Quote: "What you don't learn at home strangers will teach you".
The feral negro ***** is on the road to 'Nowheresville' or the crematorium. At this point no one is going to "discipline" her except the federal prison system or her pimp.
Why don't YOU go try to "discipline" her? Ya ******* right!

Calling her names does not help the situation. We want to speak life over her, not death. This is a 16 year old girl whose life is spinning out of control.

 

[dannyboys]

Schools all over the country allow students to have cell/mobile phones with them, just turned off and not used during school hours. I know this because I have 30 years of experience with education in the US and internationally. They have a right to have a cell phone in their backpack, on their person, or in their locker;they just can't use it in school. If you tell them no cell phones, you can tell them no this or that or any other private property. It is not a physically harmful item, like a knife or gun or drug. They have a right to have it with them.

A RIGHT to a phone? In a school? What document do you know of which gives MINORS a RIGHT to have a cell phone in a school. In the UNITED STATES.

How about you show me a document that says students are not allowed to have personal property in school.

Now THAT'S a stupid argument. My 12 year old has about 6 knives and a .22 rifle as "personal property". So tell us some more about how schools cannot determine which personal property can be brought to school and which cannot.

Those are dangerous items. I explained earlier that is why those items are not allow. Phones are not dangerous items.

Wrong. Cell phones can be used as a detonator for bombs. They should not be permitted in a classroom or on school campus.

Cellphones used to trigger bombs | Mobile | Geek.com
The FBI has warned law enforcement agencies of the potential use of cellphones to detonate bombs remotely. Modified cellphones have been found in Saudi Arabia during investigations into the recent bombings. In the FBI's bulletin, officers are warned about using “radios, cellular phones, and pagers within 50 feet” of any suspected bomb.

A cellphone was used during the bombing of Hebrew University in July 2002. The device was detonated when a modified cellphone received a phone call from another cellphone. Modified cellphones used to detonate explosions have also turned up in other places, including Paris, France.

Ever been driving and come upon a road crew doing blasting? The first sign you read half a mile away is to turn off your cell phone.

 

[Book of Jeremiah]

@saintmichaeldefendthem

Despondent Parents See Foster Care as Only Option

Filled with a mixture of dread and relief one summer morning two years ago, Yahya Abdul-Hakam, an unemployed father of two, did what many fathers would find unthinkable: he turned his eldest daughter, then 11 years old, over to the city's foster care system.

Today, reluctantly recalling that moment, he says he had no choice. For several years, his daughter had been acting out at school, throwing things, screaming in class. At home, her angry outbursts resulted in fights with a younger sister, a cousin, sometimes even with him. Mr. Abdul-Hakam even admitted her to a psychiatric hospital once.

The morning he took her to the Lower Manhattan offices of the city's Administration for Children's Services, a tangle of emotions raced through him. ''Fear, uneasiness, nervousness,'' he recounted. ''It really came to a point where that was the only thing I could do.''

From your link: The adolescents are likely to end up in group homes rather than with foster families.

Out of control kids are not placed in foster homes. If their own parents can't control them, then rent-a-parents certainly can't. If she's in foster care, its because the mother is in jail, doing drugs, or otherwise out of control.

You're not reading that correctly, Michael. "End up" in group homes means end up (as in eventually end up in group homes).

Foster care homes are the first stop in the process. She was obviously still in stage one which is foster care.

Again, I disagree with you. It does not mean that the mother was in jail, on drugs or otherwise out of control. It was the daughter who was out of control and the parent who could no longer cope with it. Billy Graham's son was a rebel before he gave his life to Christ. It happens.

While it is possible that the mother had issues it was not the reason for this girl being put in foster care so let's stay with the facts as they are presented.

You don't know why she's in foster care any more than I do, and you're reckless to claim you do. I'm going with the odds. No foster family signs up for out of control youths. Nobody wants them. They go to group homes because nobody else will take them. Who the hell do you think signs up for something like that?

The only person who has been reckless with their words here is you, Michael. You've made many assumptions without any evidence. I'm trying to point that out to you but you appear to be unwilling to consider anyone else's point of view except your own.

 

[Book of Jeremiah]

A RIGHT to a phone? In a school? What document do you know of which gives MINORS a RIGHT to have a cell phone in a school. In the UNITED STATES.

How about you show me a document that says students are not allowed to have personal property in school.

Now THAT'S a stupid argument. My 12 year old has about 6 knives and a .22 rifle as "personal property". So tell us some more about how schools cannot determine which personal property can be brought to school and which cannot.

Those are dangerous items. I explained earlier that is why those items are not allow. Phones are not dangerous items.

Wrong. Cell phones can be used as a detonator for bombs. They should not be permitted in a classroom or on school campus.

Cellphones used to trigger bombs | Mobile | Geek.com
The FBI has warned law enforcement agencies of the potential use of cellphones to detonate bombs remotely. Modified cellphones have been found in Saudi Arabia during investigations into the recent bombings. In the FBI's bulletin, officers are warned about using “radios, cellular phones, and pagers within 50 feet” of any suspected bomb.

A cellphone was used during the bombing of Hebrew University in July 2002. The device was detonated when a modified cellphone received a phone call from another cellphone. Modified cellphones used to detonate explosions have also turned up in other places, including Paris, France.

Ever been driving and come upon a road crew doing blasting? The first sign you read half a mile away is to turn off your cell phone.

I never noticed that, Danny! Very informative! Thanks!

 

[saintmichaeldefendthem]

Absolutely. I agree. It would also give this girl the proper publicity she deserves. Make her behavior the reason that the schools are now opting to remove all cell phones, ipods, and electronic devices from school property. Once you are on school property? It is a cell phone free zone. Anyone found with a cell phone? Will be sent home with a one day suspension and they can increase it from there. Good idea, Anathema!

During boot camp if one soldier disobeys orders the entire group being trained with him suffer. It is known to work very well because the disobedient soldier is shunned by his own peers. If it works for the military it should certainly work for the school system. It could be that the school authorities wanted to allow this situation to escalate because they want cellphones removed due to teachers who have been exposed for wrong doing in the classroom. Still, the presence of eyewitnesses and their testimonies should be enough (in such cases) and removing the phones is a good idea.

Um, I believe denying someone something like a cell phone on their person and body-checking for them would be a very basic violation of their federal and state civil rights.

"During boot camp...." THIS ISN'T THE MILITARY. It's a freaking high school.

I betting the feral negro ***** would have benefited from not having her cell phone in the class room.
Mobile Phone Bans Lead to Rise in Student Test Scores

I do not believe that calling the girl names is giving you the credibility you may desire in this discussion. There is no excuse for calling her such names. What she needs is discipline. It is quite obvious she didn't receive it growing up and this is the result. It's sad.

Quote: "What you don't learn at home strangers will teach you".
The feral negro ***** is on the road to 'Nowheresville' or the crematorium. At this point no one is going to "discipline" her except the federal prison system or her pimp.
Why don't YOU go try to "discipline" her? Ya ******* right!

Calling her names does not help the situation. We want to speak life over her, not death. This is a 16 year old girl whose life is spinning out of control.

She's not a victim. Her brat behavior cost the career of a law enforcement officer. She's a predator and is going to get walloped by the cosmic forces she set in motion with her criminal activity. "feral negro *****" is a rather benign reference to what she really is. She's a dangerous predator, plain and simple.

 

[saintmichaeldefendthem]

@saintmichaeldefendthem

Despondent Parents See Foster Care as Only Option

Filled with a mixture of dread and relief one summer morning two years ago, Yahya Abdul-Hakam, an unemployed father of two, did what many fathers would find unthinkable: he turned his eldest daughter, then 11 years old, over to the city's foster care system.

Today, reluctantly recalling that moment, he says he had no choice. For several years, his daughter had been acting out at school, throwing things, screaming in class. At home, her angry outbursts resulted in fights with a younger sister, a cousin, sometimes even with him. Mr. Abdul-Hakam even admitted her to a psychiatric hospital once.

The morning he took her to the Lower Manhattan offices of the city's Administration for Children's Services, a tangle of emotions raced through him. ''Fear, uneasiness, nervousness,'' he recounted. ''It really came to a point where that was the only thing I could do.''

From your link: The adolescents are likely to end up in group homes rather than with foster families.

Out of control kids are not placed in foster homes. If their own parents can't control them, then rent-a-parents certainly can't. If she's in foster care, its because the mother is in jail, doing drugs, or otherwise out of control.

You're not reading that correctly, Michael. "End up" in group homes means end up (as in eventually end up in group homes).

Foster care homes are the first stop in the process. She was obviously still in stage one which is foster care.

Again, I disagree with you. It does not mean that the mother was in jail, on drugs or otherwise out of control. It was the daughter who was out of control and the parent who could no longer cope with it. Billy Graham's son was a rebel before he gave his life to Christ. It happens.

While it is possible that the mother had issues it was not the reason for this girl being put in foster care so let's stay with the facts as they are presented.

You don't know why she's in foster care any more than I do, and you're reckless to claim you do. I'm going with the odds. No foster family signs up for out of control youths. Nobody wants them. They go to group homes because nobody else will take them. Who the hell do you think signs up for something like that?

The only person who has been reckless with their words here is you, Michael. You've made many assumptions without any evidence. I'm trying to point that out to you but you appear to be unwilling to hear anyone else's point of view except your own.

You claimed the mother gave her up because she was out of control. You have no way of knowing that and your claim is unlikely; the odds are against it.

 

[SAYIT]

So they don't have a right to a cell phone is what you're saying....they just SHOULD have one?

Somehow my generation survived without cell phones. We also had NO problem getting in contact with parents when necessary. Your argument fails on every level.

Your generation survived without a lot of the things kids have in school today. Would you also deny them the right to bring their laptops to school because you didn't have one when you were in school.

Yes, I think laptops bring trouble. My kids go to school where there is good old fashioned textbooks, paper, and pencils. There's also a computer lab for their use. Oh, and kids also don't need iPads in case you were about to ask. How the hell did my generation survive without these things?

OMG You know and understanding nothing about modern education, and I'm talking about world wide, not just the US. Do you think kids in Japan or Sweden, which have excellent results in education, don't allow laptops. That hilarious. Most of the best, most expensive private schools around the world provide them for each student and teacher.

They do? My kids go to private school. I somehow must have missed out when they were passing out free laptops to kids and mine were overlooked.

Any more brilliant insights? Tell us some more about how kids have "rights" to all this technology on their person at all times.

Your kids probably don't go to a private school with high fees, fees high enough so they can purchase laptops for the students and faculty. Such schools do exist, around the world, I know because I've seen it. Your attitude toward education is archaic.

As well, you don't seem to realize that just because you haven't seen or experienced something that doesn't mean it is wrong. Your perspective is limited and narrow minded.

Nothing is free. The schools that provide laptops pay for them the same way any institution would ... through their ability to raise the funds, and while there is some "level playfield" in equipping all students with the same model, there is nothing keeping any parent from buying a laptop.

My kids were required to provide - at my expense - their own laptop with minimum (but no maximum) standards specified.

 

[dannyboys]

I wonder how many people will agree with this one.

The officer in the South Carolina incident, the one who grabbed the student and tossed her on the floor, clearly broke rules and has to pay the price. From the moment he touched her, he is responsible for everything he did. Period.

If I said otherwise, if I tried to spin or deflect for this guy, I would essentially be enabling his poor behavior. he would know that someone was covering for him in the future. I would be lying if I denied that.

Now, at the same time, the girl in the story had several opportunities to simply follow clear & reasonable instructions. If she had simply followed instructions at any of several points in this story, the officer would not have touched her.

If I said otherwise, if I tried to spin or deflect for this girl, I would essentially be enabling her poor behavior. she would know that someone was covering for her in the future. I would be lying if I denied that.

Do we agree? Does spinning and deflecting for poor behavior run a clear risk of enabling more in the future?
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Regardless of how this has been SPUN, the little ***** got what she was asking for AND deserved.

Now... if she knew that henceforth, her bull shit was NOT going to be tolerated, and to expect the same thing to happen to her every time she tried this crap, do you think she'd be in any hurry to pull that stunt AGAIN?

That's the problem with kids today, they don't get their ass kicked for acting like little disrespectful shits. More screwed up social engineering from the progs.

But the poor girl lost her mother and we should go gentle on her.

Oh, wait, that didn't happen. It turns out to be another Left wing lie.

She lost her mother because the mother couldn't control her and gave her to foster care. The judge who hears this case won't give her a dime (if justice prevails).

She didn't "lose" her mother. She wasn't walking in the woods and somehow the two of them became separated.
The LIB controlled MSM claimed her mother had DIED suddenly and so had her grandmother. Poor poor little orphan little girl. We can't expect her to behave herself under such a burden of lose.
I can't wait to see the Xrays proving the cast on her arm was needed because the big mean cop had broken it.

 

[dannyboys]

Schools won't restrict students from having cell phones with them unless there is a big problem with it. There is not a widespread problem, and you don't make rules based on the bad behavior of a few. What were you restricted from bringing to school that you wanted to have in school? Individual schools have individual dress codes. I doubt there are any school that allow weapons, drugs, or alcohol. What were you denied?

We were not allowed to bring music devices (walkmen and discmen), any sort of electronic gaming device, or pretty much any other electronic device of that era.

In my father's days they brought shotguns/rifles to school in irder to hunt on the way home from school.

That's what I did. Used the farm truck to hunt on the way and back from school.
If any of us didn't make it to school the teacher knew we had shot something.......to feed the family. Always a roast of elk/moose/deer for the teacher......who didn't get much chance to hunt. He/she were too busy dedicating their lives to teaching the three 'R's'.

 

[dannyboys]

The right thing to do would be to confront the girls behavior with her parents, grandparents, history of disciplinary problems at school and deal with the real problem here. She'll be able to receive the necessary feedback and counseling to put her on the right track and the media can find another story to focus on.

Don't you ******* read asshole!
Her father is a ******* mystery even to her mother. Her mother has been in and out of jail for drugs/prostitution for years. There's ONE grandparent and the last time the feral ***** visited her the ***** stole grandma's wallet.
"Ya right. She'll receive the necessary feedback and counseling to put her on the right track". What are you? Like ten years old?

 

[dannyboys]

@saintmichaeldefendthem

Despondent Parents See Foster Care as Only Option

Filled with a mixture of dread and relief one summer morning two years ago, Yahya Abdul-Hakam, an unemployed father of two, did what many fathers would find unthinkable: he turned his eldest daughter, then 11 years old, over to the city's foster care system.

Today, reluctantly recalling that moment, he says he had no choice. For several years, his daughter had been acting out at school, throwing things, screaming in class. At home, her angry outbursts resulted in fights with a younger sister, a cousin, sometimes even with him. Mr. Abdul-Hakam even admitted her to a psychiatric hospital once.

The morning he took her to the Lower Manhattan offices of the city's Administration for Children's Services, a tangle of emotions raced through him. ''Fear, uneasiness, nervousness,'' he recounted. ''It really came to a point where that was the only thing I could do.''

From your link: The adolescents are likely to end up in group homes rather than with foster families.

Out of control kids are not placed in foster homes. If their own parents can't control them, then rent-a-parents certainly can't. If she's in foster care, its because the mother is in jail, doing drugs, or otherwise out of control.

You're not reading that correctly, Michael. "End up" in group homes means end up (as in eventually end up in group homes).

Foster care homes are the first stop in the process. She was obviously still in stage one which is foster care.

Again, I disagree with you. It does not mean that the mother was in jail, on drugs or otherwise out of control. It was the daughter who was out of control and the parent who could no longer cope with it. Billy Graham's son was a rebel before he gave his life to Christ. It happens.

While it is possible that the mother had issues it was not the reason for this girl being put in foster care so let's stay with the facts as they are presented.

You don't know why she's in foster care any more than I do, and you're reckless to claim you do. I'm going with the odds. No foster family signs up for out of control youths. Nobody wants them. They go to group homes because nobody else will take them. Who the hell do you think signs up for something like that?

People who care about troubled children and want to help make a difference in their lives. That's who.

Well then why aren't you taking in feral negroes as foster kids right?
I'm sure with your approach they'll all turn their lives around.
Pro Tip: When you do make sure to hide anything of any value.

 

[saintmichaeldefendthem]

The right thing to do would be to confront the girls behavior with her parents, grandparents, history of disciplinary problems at school and deal with the real problem here. She'll be able to receive the necessary feedback and counseling to put her on the right track and the media can find another story to focus on.

Don't you ******* read asshole!
Her father is a ******* mystery even to her mother. Her mother has been in and out of jail for drugs/prostitution for years. There's ONE grandparent and the last time the feral ***** visited her the ***** stole grandma's wallet.
"Ya right. She'll receive the necessary feedback and counseling to put her on the right track". What are you? Like ten years old?

She's a clueless nutcase who argued that the mother was forced to give her up because she's out of control. Jeremiah often indulges in flights of fantasy, seeing the world through a prism of misguided ideals and condemning everyone, especially Catholics, who don't line up with her scripted, bat shit crazy views.

 

[Mac1958]

Not much discussion on this thread pertaining to the OP.

For those of you who are avoiding saying anything negative about the girl - even though this incident would not have occurred had she just followed instructions - do you feel that your refusal to hold her accountable for her actions contributes in any way to further poor behavior?
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