The Seventies: Problems and Proposals, edited by Irving Howe and Michael Harrington

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I bought my copy of The Seventies: Problems and Proposals, edited by Irving Howe and Michael Harrington, at a meeting of the Democratic Socialist Organizing Committee I attended in 1973. My copy was signed by Michael Harrington. In the early 1960's Michael Harrington inspired the War on Poverty with his book The Other America.

The Democratic Socialist Organizing Committee was a minority faction of the American Socialist Party. DSOC opposed the War in Vietnam. The American Socialist Party opposed America's entry into World War II, even after the attack on Pearl Harbor. Then the American Socialist Party supported the War in Vietnam. It is a long story.

The Seventies was published in 1972. It was an anthology of articles which had recently been printed in Dissent Magazine. Dissent Magazine is a leftist opinion journal which often posts articles advocating democratic socialism.

DSOC evolved into Democratic Socialists of America. Democratic Socialists of America does not run candidates but advocates democratic socialism within the Democratic Party.

When I belonged to DSOC it was strongly supportive of Israel. I am a registered Democrat. I thought about joining Democratic Socialists of America until it supported the Palestinians against Israel.

By 1973 the left liberal period of American history was in retreat. Richard Nixon had been elected president in 1968. He was reelected by a landslide in 1972.

Nevertheless, in 1972, when this book was published the War in Vietnam continued. So did the antiwar movement. Democratic socialists could hope that young people radicalized by the War in Vietnam would retain their radicalism after the War ended.

As one who was active in the antiwar effort, I can tell you that this did not happen. After Nixon ended the draft, it was difficult to get many people to show up for an antiwar demonstration, even though American bombing of Vietnam continued. The students from elite universities, who had been active in the antiwar movement, were nowhere to be seen. They had gone back to their books, and to looking forward to the solid gold futures that awaited them after graduation.

What you would see at the much smaller antiwar demonstrations were the kind of failed professionals who belonged to organizations like the Trotskyist Socialist Workers' Party. These had been born into the middle class. They had failed to achieve their goals in life, and they slid down into the working class.

You would also see teenage "freaks" who attended with the intention of engaging in vandalism.

Those on the left hoped that the Watergate Scandal would reinvigorate their movement. Nevertheless, Americans who in 1974 wanted President Nixon to resign did not wish that they had voted for George McGovern in 1972. They wished that in 1972 they had been able to vote for a conservative without Nixon's penchant for neurotic self-destruction. When the Republican Party offered them the opportunity to vote for Ronald Reagan, they did in 1980. They reelected him in a landslide in 1984.

The articles in The Seventies consist of a left liberal wish list. In 1972 it was time for a retrospective on what had gone wrong. Why had the hopes generated by the eloquence of President Kennedy and Martin Luther King in the early 1960's been disappointed? Why did they culminate in the presidencies of Nixon and Reagan?

The black ghetto riots that began in 1964 are hardly mentioned. The doubling of the crime rate that happened during the 1960's and the rise in crime that continued until the administration of Ronald Reagan are not mentioned either.

The authors of these articles do not seem to care about the crime wave that was bothering most Americans. In his article "Crime On and Off the Streets," Bernard Rosenberg wrote, "No one presses for truly unlimited enforcement efficiency."

No one? What about people who live in dangerous neighborhoods?

In his article "Public Schools: the Next Decade," David K. Cohen wrote:

"[I}n the federally sponsored Equality of Educational Opportunity Report, James Coleman announced that differences in the quality of the nations' schools bore only a trivial relationship in differences in the educational achievement of the nation' students...

"By 1968, newspaper accounts of the failure of local HeadStart and Title I programs had become commonplace. By 1969 several national studies of these programs had found no discernable impact on children's performance in schools."

This undercuts the leftist assertion that an improved environment improves the behavior and performance of poor people. It substantiates the assertions of race realism, and what those on the left disparage as "scientific racism." A movement should not be inspired by beliefs about human nature and human potential that are not true.

If democratic socialism is to become a popular movement in the United States, it will need to appeal to the self-interest of working class and middle class Americans. For several decades their incomes have stagnated or declined, while the rich have become richer. These people do want a "truly unlimited enforcement efficiency" for the police. The movement cannot appeal to disinterested compassion on behalf of the unemployable welfare recipients and crime prone members of the underclass.
 
Ah, Hector, once again, trying to put a smiley face on his sad racism.

The first problem is that SOcialism really doesn't work, and no one should embrace it. Ever. I remember the 70s as well when they had equal-time rebuttals on TV, where some Socialist in a fatigue jacket spouting mutilated Marxism would let his freak flag fly for two minutes.

Socialism never works for a basic reason. Once you remove ALL incentive to better yourself, you just aren't going to try very hard.


The black ghetto riots that began in 1964 are hardly mentioned. The doubling of the crime rate that happened during the 1960's and the rise in crime that continued until the administration of Ronald Reagan are not mentioned either.

The authors of these articles do not seem to care about the crime wave that was bothering most Americans. In his article "Crime On and Off the Streets," Bernard Rosenberg wrote, "No one presses for truly unlimited enforcement efficiency."

Actually, Crime kept going up after Reagan and well into Bush. It didn't start coming down until Slick Willy, and not because of anything he did.

It went down because Boomers were aging out of the "Doing dumb shit" phase of life. Gen X kept doing dumb shit, to be sure, but there weren't as many of them, which is why Crime went down.

Of course, people are always going to worry about Crime. Crime is at an all-time low right now, but people are still worried about "Crime".

In his article "Public Schools: the Next Decade," David K. Cohen wrote:

"[I}n the federally sponsored Equality of Educational Opportunity Report, James Coleman announced that differences in the quality of the nations' schools bore only a trivial relationship in differences in the educational achievement of the nation' students...

"By 1968, newspaper accounts of the failure of local HeadStart and Title I programs had become commonplace. By 1969 several national studies of these programs had found no discernable impact on children's performance in schools."

This undercuts the leftist assertion that an improved environment improves the behavior and performance of poor people. It substantiates the assertions of race realism, and what those on the left disparage as "scientific racism." A movement should not be inspired by beliefs about human nature and human potential that are not true.
The budget for Head Start is a mere 12 Billion a year. And as I keep pointing out to you, these funds went to white kids as well, and didn't improve their test scores, either.

Personally, I think it was kind of foolish to think you can start "educating" kids as soon as they are out of diapers, which is what they do with preschool today. Back for us Boomers, we started at age 5 in Kindergarten and we were fine. Some of us didn't even have to go to Kindergarten. Preschool and Head Start are just government-funded daycare.
 
Actually, Crime kept going up after Reagan and well into Bush. It didn't start coming down until Slick Willy, and not because of anything he did.
In 1980 the American crime rate per 100,000 inhabitants was 5,950.0. By 1988 this declined to 5,664.2.


The crime rate continued to decline because the prison population continued to grow.
 
In 1980 the American crime rate per 100,000 inhabitants was 5,950.0. By 1988 this declined to 5,664.2.


The crime rate continued to decline because the prison population continued to grow.

That's really not a decline.

The violent crime rate didn't hit it's height until 1991 or so.

Ironically, it started declining 18 years after Roe v. Wade! Abortion solved the crime problem!!!!

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I bought my copy of The Seventies: Problems and Proposals, edited by Irving Howe and Michael Harrington, at a meeting of the Democratic Socialist Organizing Committee I attended in 1973. My copy was signed by Michael Harrington. In the early 1960's Michael Harrington inspired the War on Poverty with his book The Other America.

The Democratic Socialist Organizing Committee was a minority faction of the American Socialist Party. DSOC opposed the War in Vietnam. The American Socialist Party opposed America's entry into World War II, even after the attack on Pearl Harbor. Then the American Socialist Party supported the War in Vietnam. It is a long story.

The Seventies was published in 1972. It was an anthology of articles which had recently been printed in Dissent Magazine. Dissent Magazine is a leftist opinion journal which often posts articles advocating democratic socialism.

DSOC evolved into Democratic Socialists of America. Democratic Socialists of America does not run candidates but advocates democratic socialism within the Democratic Party.

When I belonged to DSOC it was strongly supportive of Israel. I am a registered Democrat. I thought about joining Democratic Socialists of America until it supported the Palestinians against Israel.

By 1973 the left liberal period of American history was in retreat. Richard Nixon had been elected president in 1968. He was reelected by a landslide in 1972.

Nevertheless, in 1972, when this book was published the War in Vietnam continued. So did the antiwar movement. Democratic socialists could hope that young people radicalized by the War in Vietnam would retain their radicalism after the War ended.

As one who was active in the antiwar effort, I can tell you that this did not happen. After Nixon ended the draft, it was difficult to get many people to show up for an antiwar demonstration, even though American bombing of Vietnam continued. The students from elite universities, who had been active in the antiwar movement, were nowhere to be seen. They had gone back to their books, and to looking forward to the solid gold futures that awaited them after graduation.

What you would see at the much smaller antiwar demonstrations were the kind of failed professionals who belonged to organizations like the Trotskyist Socialist Workers' Party. These had been born into the middle class. They had failed to achieve their goals in life, and they slid down into the working class.

You would also see teenage "freaks" who attended with the intention of engaging in vandalism.

Those on the left hoped that the Watergate Scandal would reinvigorate their movement. Nevertheless, Americans who in 1974 wanted President Nixon to resign did not wish that they had voted for George McGovern in 1972. They wished that in 1972 they had been able to vote for a conservative without Nixon's penchant for neurotic self-destruction. When the Republican Party offered them the opportunity to vote for Ronald Reagan, they did in 1980. They reelected him in a landslide in 1984.

The articles in The Seventies consist of a left liberal wish list. In 1972 it was time for a retrospective on what had gone wrong. Why had the hopes generated by the eloquence of President Kennedy and Martin Luther King in the early 1960's been disappointed? Why did they culminate in the presidencies of Nixon and Reagan?

The black ghetto riots that began in 1964 are hardly mentioned. The doubling of the crime rate that happened during the 1960's and the rise in crime that continued until the administration of Ronald Reagan are not mentioned either.

The authors of these articles do not seem to care about the crime wave that was bothering most Americans. In his article "Crime On and Off the Streets," Bernard Rosenberg wrote, "No one presses for truly unlimited enforcement efficiency."

No one? What about people who live in dangerous neighborhoods?

In his article "Public Schools: the Next Decade," David K. Cohen wrote:

"[I}n the federally sponsored Equality of Educational Opportunity Report, James Coleman announced that differences in the quality of the nations' schools bore only a trivial relationship in differences in the educational achievement of the nation' students...

"By 1968, newspaper accounts of the failure of local HeadStart and Title I programs had become commonplace. By 1969 several national studies of these programs had found no discernable impact on children's performance in schools."

This undercuts the leftist assertion that an improved environment improves the behavior and performance of poor people. It substantiates the assertions of race realism, and what those on the left disparage as "scientific racism." A movement should not be inspired by beliefs about human nature and human potential that are not true.

If democratic socialism is to become a popular movement in the United States, it will need to appeal to the self-interest of working class and middle class Americans. For several decades their incomes have stagnated or declined, while the rich have become richer. These people do want a "truly unlimited enforcement efficiency" for the police. The movement cannot appeal to disinterested compassion on behalf of the unemployable welfare recipients and crime prone members of the underclass.
1973 was when Israel threatened to bomb American oil facilities in Dhahran because they were losing the Yom Kippur war. Saudi Arabia was not involved in the war.
 
That's really not a decline.

The violent crime rate didn't hit it's height until 1991 or so.

Ironically, it started declining 18 years after Roe v. Wade! Abortion solved the crime problem!!!!

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I agree with you that Roe vs Wade contributed to the decline in crime. A potential mugger who was aborted in 1974 would have been 18 years old in 1992.
 
I agree with you that Roe vs Wade contributed to the decline in crime. A potential mugger who was aborted in 1974 would have been 18 years old in 1992.
That meme was invented by the idiots who wrote Freakonomics.

The reality is the number of abortions before and after Roe were unchanged.

So that is not why crime went down in the 90s.

The number of abortions after the repeal of Roe will not change, either.
 
The students from elite universities, who had been active in the antiwar movement, were nowhere to be seen. They had gone back to their books, and to looking forward to the solid gold futures that awaited them after graduation.
The rich kids who could afford a college education were exempt from the draft.

They went on to become the Yuppies of the 1980s. No joke.


The articles in The Seventies consist of a left liberal wish list. In 1972 it was time for a retrospective on what had gone wrong. Why had the hopes generated by the eloquence of President Kennedy and Martin Luther King in the early 1960's been disappointed? Why did they culminate in the presidencies of Nixon and Reagan?
You answered your own question in your next paragraph.

The black ghetto riots that began in 1964 are hardly mentioned. The doubling of the crime rate that happened during the 1960's and the rise in crime that continued until the administration of Ronald Reagan are not mentioned either.
But that is exactly why Nixon and Reagan won. Hundreds of cities were set on fire in the radical 60s. And then there were all the domestic terrorist organizations like the Weathermen and the SLA. They were blowing up police stations and the Capitol.

So the American people turned to the candidates who promised law and order.
 
I agree with you that Roe vs Wade contributed to the decline in crime. A potential mugger who was aborted in 1974 would have been 18 years old in 1992.
Abortion was always legal in New York before Roe V. Wade. So this crackpot theory is bogus.

The reason crimes dropped in the 90s is because during the Reagan years they started imposing harsh, long sentences on criminals.

Also, the baby boomer generation was aging. Which is exactly the opposite of the abortion hoax.
 
Abortion was always legal in New York before Roe V. Wade. So this crackpot theory is bogus.

The reason crimes dropped in the 90s is because during the Reagan years they started imposing harsh, long sentences on criminals.

Also, the baby boomer generation was aging. Which is exactly the opposite of the abortion hoax.
There are three reasons the crime rate declined after 1980. You acknowledge two of them, but you refuse to recognize that abortion was also important, because you dislike abortion.

In a similar way, JoeB131 refuses to credit the rise in the prison population for reducing the crime rate. He simply does not like the idea of making criminals suffer, especially if they are black.

Emotions should not interfere with recognizing what is true and what is false.
 
The rich kids who could afford a college education were exempt from the draft.
Those rich kids knew that after they graduated, they would be threatened with conscription.
 
You answered your own question in your next paragraph.

But that is exactly why Nixon and Reagan won. Hundreds of cities were set on fire in the radical 60s. And then there were all the domestic terrorist organizations like the Weathermen and the SLA. They were blowing up police stations and the Capitol.

So the American people turned to the candidates who promised law and order.
What you say is true. I apprehensively acknowledged it in my review. Most Negroes failed to live up to early hopes about how they would respond to the civil rights legislation and the War on Poverty. Unfortunately, it can be dangerous to point this out. :eek:
 
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The reality is the number of abortions before and after Roe were unchanged.

Abortion statistics in the United States​


In 1973, the Roe v. Wade Supreme Court decision legalized abortion in all 50 states. From 1973 to 1980, the abortion rate rose almost 80%, peaking at 29.3 abortions per 1,000 women of childbearing age in 1980 and 1981.

From 1981 through 2017, the abortion rate fell by more than half, falling faster in Democratic administrations than Republican ones. The abortion rate fell below the 1973 rate in 2012 and continued to fall through 2017, when it stood at 13.5 abortions per 1,000 women of childbearing age. The abortion rate then rose from 2018 through 2020.

 
There are three reasons the crime rate declined after 1980. You acknowledge two of them, but you refuse to recognize that abortion was also important, because you dislike abortion.

In a similar way, JoeB131 refuses to credit the rise in the prison population for reducing the crime rate. He simply does not like the idea of making criminals suffer, especially if they are black.

Emotions should not interfere with recognizing what is true and what is false.
Abortion was available in small towns everywhere. Usually on the other side of the tracks. It was commonplace. There weren't fewer abortions. They were just not quite as safe and they were illegal.

Affluent women never had a problem terminating a pregnancy. Unwanted pregnancy among the poor and middle class was a serious problem.
 

Abortion statistics in the United States​


In 1973, the Roe v. Wade Supreme Court decision legalized abortion in all 50 states. From 1973 to 1980, the abortion rate rose almost 80%, peaking at 29.3 abortions per 1,000 women of childbearing age in 1980 and 1981.

From 1981 through 2017, the abortion rate fell by more than half, falling faster in Democratic administrations than Republican ones. The abortion rate fell below the 1973 rate in 2012 and continued to fall through 2017, when it stood at 13.5 abortions per 1,000 women of childbearing age. The abortion rate then rose from 2018 through 2020.

They didn't keep records since abortion was illegal. Abortionists were everywhere in small towns and medium sized cities... everywhere.
 
There are three reasons the crime rate declined after 1980. You acknowledge two of them, but you refuse to recognize that abortion was also important, because you dislike abortion.

In a similar way, JoeB131 refuses to credit the rise in the prison population for reducing the crime rate. He simply does not like the idea of making criminals suffer, especially if they are black.

Emotions should not interfere with recognizing what is true and what is false.

Because the Prison-Industrial Complex has actually made the problem worse.

You take a poor black kid who does something stupid when he's 17. You charge him as an adult. He's pretty much unemployable for the rest of his life. (Unlike the white kid like my idiot Trump-Supporting Brother, who did dumb shit, but got passes because he was white.)
 

Abortion statistics in the United States​


In 1973, the Roe v. Wade Supreme Court decision legalized abortion in all 50 states. From 1973 to 1980, the abortion rate rose almost 80%, peaking at 29.3 abortions per 1,000 women of childbearing age in 1980 and 1981.

From 1981 through 2017, the abortion rate fell by more than half, falling faster in Democratic administrations than Republican ones. The abortion rate fell below the 1973 rate in 2012 and continued to fall through 2017, when it stood at 13.5 abortions per 1,000 women of childbearing age. The abortion rate then rose from 2018 through 2020.


Again, that's a little dubious, because we don't know how many abortions were being performed before 1973 and the OB/GYN wrote something else down on the chart to bill insurance.

What we do know is that the number of LIVE births didn't drop in 1973. Or 1974. And it started going back up again in 1975.

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Where the number DID drop off a cliff was in 1965, when birth control pills became widely available But the Birth Rate had hit a flat number in 1970 and pretty much stayed there ever since.
 
What you say is true. I apprehensively acknowledged it in my review. Most Negroes failed to live up to early hopes about how they would respond to the civil rights legislation and the War on Poverty. Unfortunately, it can be dangerous to point this out. :eek:

Yeah, you can get your sorry ass kicked for being a racist douchenoodle for telling malicious lies like this... and you totally deserve to. Sadly, the racist cockroaches still gather under the floorboards of the internet.

But in reality, the black poverty rate and unemployment rates dropped precipitously after the War on Poverty and Civil Rights movement.

Going from 55% in 1950 to 17% today.

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Yeah, you can get your sorry ass kicked for being a racist douchenoodle for telling malicious lies like this... and you totally deserve to. Sadly, the racist cockroaches still gather under the floorboards of the internet.

But in reality, the black poverty rate and unemployment rates dropped precipitously after the War on Poverty and Civil Rights movement.

Going from 55% in 1950 to 17% today.

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Black poverty declined because of welfare checks. Black unemployment declined because of affirmative action programs that lowered employment standards for blacks.
 
Because the Prison-Industrial Complex has actually made the problem worse.

You take a poor black kid who does something stupid when he's 17. You charge him as an adult. He's pretty much unemployable for the rest of his life. (Unlike the white kid like my idiot Trump-Supporting Brother, who did dumb shit, but got passes because he was white.)
Blacks have a crime rate that is nearly eight times the white rate. Rehabilitation is rarely effective. The only factor that reliably reduces recidivism is age.
 

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