The Secular Apocalypse

[PoliticalChic]

How about we leave the coronavirus apocalypse for a moment, and get back to a more…permanent….disease: the spreading secularism apocalypse.



1.Religion is very low on the list of characteristics to which many Americans aspire these days. The causes are Leftist political agenda in ascendancy in government schooling, and the dissociation of the family, due to Leftist control of every area of the dissemination of information.

But, why subvert the faith on which this country was built?
Answer: To replace our inheritance, Genesis 1:26, individualism, with the collective, government as god.

2. “Would, however, the world be worse- because of a decrease in individuals’ happiness and virtue, or because of collective pathologies arising in the vacuum left by withdrawing religion. This is possible. Religion valuably informs, affirms, and motivates many aspects of many people’s lives, from social institutions such as family formation through marriage, to art and sustaining rituals.
Many human beings have needs, or at least anxieties and desires that religion serves or assuages.
Certainly throughout history almost every society has had at its core some idea of the transcendent.”
George Will, “The Conservative Sensibility,” p.483



3. We can look across the pond and glimpse the future based on the secular paradigm:

"The abandonment of the Christian tradition that created the West's most cherished ideal [with] a radical secularism evident in Europe's indifference to God and church- created a vacuum of belief into which many pseudo-religions have poured: scientism, fascism, communism, environmentalism, multiculturalism, sheer hedonism [and Islam] - all have attempted and failed....to provide Europeans with an alternative to Christianity that can show them what is worth living and dying for."
From "Decline and Fall: Europe's Slow-Motion Suicide," by Bruce Thornton


“…will America be made better by curbing religion in the name of secularism, or vice versa?” Ben Shapiro


The question was reflected in the current battle in Congress, whether to make whole those Americans who are damaged by the corona virus, or to use the crisis to impose Democrat/Progressive/Marxism.

"Dem Rep. Told Colleagues Coronavirus Bill Is ‘Tremendous Opportunity to Restructure Things to Fit Our Vision’"

Dem Rep. Told Colleagues Coronavirus Bill Is ‘Tremendous Opportunity to Restructure Things to Fit Our Vision’ | National Review

Pelosi worked to scupper the coronavirus relief package after James Clyburn said that the bill was “a tremendous opportunity to restructure things to fit our vision.”

www.nationalreview.com

See where religious values point?

 

[GreenAndBlue]

How about we leave the coronavirus apocalypse for a moment, and get back to a more…permanent….disease: the spreading secularism apocalypse.



1.Religion is very low on the list of characteristics to which many Americans aspire these days. The causes are Leftist political agenda in ascendancy in government schooling, and the dissociation of the family, due to Leftist control of every area of the dissemination of information.

But, why subvert the faith on which this country was built?
Answer: To replace our inheritance, Genesis 1:26, individualism, with the collective, government as god.

2. “Would, however, the world be worse- because of a decrease in individuals’ happiness and virtue, or because of collective pathologies arising in the vacuum left by withdrawing religion. This is possible. Religion valuably informs, affirms, and motivates many aspects of many people’s lives, from social institutions such as family formation through marriage, to art and sustaining rituals.
Many human beings have needs, or at least anxieties and desires that religion serves or assuages.
Certainly throughout history almost every society has had at its core some idea of the transcendent.”
George Will, “The Conservative Sensibility,” p.483



3. We can look across the pond and glimpse the future based on the secular paradigm:

"The abandonment of the Christian tradition that created the West's most cherished ideal [with] a radical secularism evident in Europe's indifference to God and church- created a vacuum of belief into which many pseudo-religions have poured: scientism, fascism, communism, environmentalism, multiculturalism, sheer hedonism [and Islam] - all have attempted and failed....to provide Europeans with an alternative to Christianity that can show them what is worth living and dying for."
From "Decline and Fall: Europe's Slow-Motion Suicide," by Bruce Thornton


“…will America be made better by curbing religion in the name of secularism, or vice versa?” Ben Shapiro


The question was reflected in the current battle in Congress, whether to make whole those Americans who are damaged by the corona virus, or to use the crisis to impose Democrat/Progressive/Marxism.

"Dem Rep. Told Colleagues Coronavirus Bill Is ‘Tremendous Opportunity to Restructure Things to Fit Our Vision’"

Dem Rep. Told Colleagues Coronavirus Bill Is ‘Tremendous Opportunity to Restructure Things to Fit Our Vision’ | National Review

Pelosi worked to scupper the coronavirus relief package after James Clyburn said that the bill was “a tremendous opportunity to restructure things to fit our vision.”

www.nationalreview.com

See where religious values point?

Yes indeed the root cause of the virus harm is the same with all the harm coming quickly

The cause is the fall of true Christians in America and all western democracies

This is simply correction pains that come to humanity when we sin and make errors


If we don’t change the pain keeps increasing until we do

Christianity was strong when the correct obeying done by the unwise was going on .. now that has been stopped the unwise are free to get influenced by the harm and will eiect more crooks to destroy the nation

A logic test for voters is the only way to stop the destruction of the nation

Trump must now know that and is thinking of declaring a broken govt and calling out the military to set up a new govt and system

The main part will be a logic test for voters !

 

[Gdjjr]

It could be "Manifest Destiny".

 

[GreenAndBlue]

Yes it’s all pre wired into humanity at creation

Correction pains were always set to act when we make the wrong turn

The logic test for voters was pre wired into humanity at creation to come at a certain time to stop electing the greed evil

 

[Gdjjr]

I thought AIDS was our punishment.

 

[PoliticalChic]

4. Progressivism aside, there is no need for the abandonment of our founding religion.

“As its history abundantly shows, however, nothing in the Establishment Clause requires government to be strictly neutral between religion and irreligion, nor does that Clause prohibit Congress or the States from pursuing legitimate secular ends through nondiscriminatory sectarian means.” “Church And State In American History,” John F. Wilson



At no time, and in no way, was America ever meant to ‘separate church and state.’



5. Ignorance of our history makes Progressivism possible, and keeping the public ignorant is the job that schools have volunteered to do, and they do it well.
There is Tocqueville’s Democracy in America, written in 1830, which I will bet is not part if the curriculum in government school. It would give students the ability to compare what made America possible, and great, with the secularism that has taken hold.

“Tocqueville thought that religion, true or false, was a social necessity, especially in a democracy: ‘How is it possible that society should escape destruction if the moral tie not be strengthened in proportion as the political tie is relaxed? And what can be done with a people which is its own master, if it be not submissive to the Divinity?” George Will, “The Conservative Sensibility,” p.484


I can answer Tocqueville’s query: we get a political party that stands for this sort of thing: The Democrat Party is now running on full-blown anti-white racism, socialism, infanticide, opposition to free speech, substituting illegal alien voters for the American citizenry, and anti-Semitism… the knuckle-dragging, atavistic pagan party.


Can’t be more secular than this without guillotines and concentration camps.



The debate going on in Congress compares honoring labor, work, enterprise, with this, from the Democrat Green New Deal: “providing economic security for those who don’t care to work.”

I can’t wait to see the details in the bill.

 

[PoliticalChic]

6. “’Religion,” wrote Tocqueville, reflecting on his American sojourn, ‘is considered as the guardian of mores, and mores are regarded as the guarantee of the laws and pledge for the maintenance of freedom itself: Despotism may be able to do without faith, but freedom cannot…What can be, done with a people master of itself if it is not subject to God?” Himmelfarb, “One Nation, Two Cultures,” p. 87


7. “Theism is an optional component of conservatism. …two centuries after Tocqueville wrote that, it is clear that an increasingly secular America the moral ties between citizens are loosening and the self-mastery of the populace is weakening. Perhaps America will demonstrate the utility of religions….” George Will




8. Perhaps not politics, but science itself will cast the determining vote between the secular and religious: The universe is biophilic….the conditions on our planet are like Goldilocks’ porridge…not too hot, not too cold: just right.

. "…according to various calculations, if the values of some of the fundamental parameters of our universe were a little larger or a little smaller, life could not have arisen. For example, if the nuclear force were a few percentage points stronger than it actually is, then all the hydrogen atoms in the infant universe would have fused with other hydrogen atoms to make helium, and there would be no hydrogen left. No hydrogen means no water.
…the great question, of course, is why these fundamental parameters happen to lie within the range needed for life. Does the universe care about life? Intelligent design is one answer. Indeed, a fair number of theologians, philosophers, and even some scientists have used fine-tuning and the anthropic principle as evidence of the existence of God.” The accidental universe: Science's crisis of faith
By Alan P. Lightman
http://www.harpers.org/archive/2011/12/0083720


That's from a physicist.

 

[alang1216]

How about we leave the coronavirus apocalypse for a moment, and get back to a more…permanent….disease: the spreading secularism apocalypse.



1.Religion is very low on the list of characteristics to which many Americans aspire these days. The causes are Leftist political agenda in ascendancy in government schooling, and the dissociation of the family, due to Leftist control of every area of the dissemination of information.

But, why subvert the faith on which this country was built?
Answer: To replace our inheritance, Genesis 1:26, individualism, with the collective, government as god.

2. “Would, however, the world be worse- because of a decrease in individuals’ happiness and virtue, or because of collective pathologies arising in the vacuum left by withdrawing religion. This is possible. Religion valuably informs, affirms, and motivates many aspects of many people’s lives, from social institutions such as family formation through marriage, to art and sustaining rituals.
Many human beings have needs, or at least anxieties and desires that religion serves or assuages.
Certainly throughout history almost every society has had at its core some idea of the transcendent.”
George Will, “The Conservative Sensibility,” p.483



3. We can look across the pond and glimpse the future based on the secular paradigm:

"The abandonment of the Christian tradition that created the West's most cherished ideal [with] a radical secularism evident in Europe's indifference to God and church- created a vacuum of belief into which many pseudo-religions have poured: scientism, fascism, communism, environmentalism, multiculturalism, sheer hedonism [and Islam] - all have attempted and failed....to provide Europeans with an alternative to Christianity that can show them what is worth living and dying for."
From "Decline and Fall: Europe's Slow-Motion Suicide," by Bruce Thornton


“…will America be made better by curbing religion in the name of secularism, or vice versa?” Ben Shapiro


The question was reflected in the current battle in Congress, whether to make whole those Americans who are damaged by the corona virus, or to use the crisis to impose Democrat/Progressive/Marxism.

"Dem Rep. Told Colleagues Coronavirus Bill Is ‘Tremendous Opportunity to Restructure Things to Fit Our Vision’"

Dem Rep. Told Colleagues Coronavirus Bill Is ‘Tremendous Opportunity to Restructure Things to Fit Our Vision’ | National Review

Pelosi worked to scupper the coronavirus relief package after James Clyburn said that the bill was “a tremendous opportunity to restructure things to fit our vision.”

www.nationalreview.com

See where religious values point?

Just to put some numbers to the fear. Curiously Norway, Denmark, and Sweden are among the happiest countries.

 

[PoliticalChic]

How about we leave the coronavirus apocalypse for a moment, and get back to a more…permanent….disease: the spreading secularism apocalypse.



1.Religion is very low on the list of characteristics to which many Americans aspire these days. The causes are Leftist political agenda in ascendancy in government schooling, and the dissociation of the family, due to Leftist control of every area of the dissemination of information.

But, why subvert the faith on which this country was built?
Answer: To replace our inheritance, Genesis 1:26, individualism, with the collective, government as god.

2. “Would, however, the world be worse- because of a decrease in individuals’ happiness and virtue, or because of collective pathologies arising in the vacuum left by withdrawing religion. This is possible. Religion valuably informs, affirms, and motivates many aspects of many people’s lives, from social institutions such as family formation through marriage, to art and sustaining rituals.
Many human beings have needs, or at least anxieties and desires that religion serves or assuages.
Certainly throughout history almost every society has had at its core some idea of the transcendent.”
George Will, “The Conservative Sensibility,” p.483



3. We can look across the pond and glimpse the future based on the secular paradigm:

"The abandonment of the Christian tradition that created the West's most cherished ideal [with] a radical secularism evident in Europe's indifference to God and church- created a vacuum of belief into which many pseudo-religions have poured: scientism, fascism, communism, environmentalism, multiculturalism, sheer hedonism [and Islam] - all have attempted and failed....to provide Europeans with an alternative to Christianity that can show them what is worth living and dying for."
From "Decline and Fall: Europe's Slow-Motion Suicide," by Bruce Thornton


“…will America be made better by curbing religion in the name of secularism, or vice versa?” Ben Shapiro


The question was reflected in the current battle in Congress, whether to make whole those Americans who are damaged by the corona virus, or to use the crisis to impose Democrat/Progressive/Marxism.

"Dem Rep. Told Colleagues Coronavirus Bill Is ‘Tremendous Opportunity to Restructure Things to Fit Our Vision’"

Dem Rep. Told Colleagues Coronavirus Bill Is ‘Tremendous Opportunity to Restructure Things to Fit Our Vision’ | National Review

Pelosi worked to scupper the coronavirus relief package after James Clyburn said that the bill was “a tremendous opportunity to restructure things to fit our vision.”

www.nationalreview.com

See where religious values point?

Just to put some numbers to the fear. Curiously Norway, Denmark, and Sweden are among the happiest countries.

I'll help you pack......that would make me happy.

 

[PoliticalChic]

9. An article of faith for the Progressive faith, the secular belief, is that humans are no different from any other living thing…a leaf, a cockroach, and life itself has no meaning. Hence, the slaughter of millions means nothing to secularists to these nihilists. The more secular society becomes, the lower the value placed on human life, and, it seems the higher that of animals.


One cannot help but conjecture that the above characteristic is what resulted in 100 million humans having been slaughtered by secular big government in the last century, the secular apocalypse.
As society moves away from the religious basis on which America was founded, we see more people with a skewed view of the value of people, and animals.



Progressive Cass Sunstein. Until recently, Sunstein was Administrator of the Office of Information and Regulatory Affairs under another secularist, Barack Obama. Sunstein is currently the Robert Walmsley University Professor[4]and Felix Frankfurter Professor of Law at Harvard Law School.
Cass Sunstein - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia


" That Sunstein is an animal rights activist is undisputed. For a CNN interview in the late 1990s, he once insisted on being joined on-air by his dog, a Rhodesian Ridgeback named Perry. And LaPierre is correct when he says that Sunstein has talked about allowing animals to sue — albeit through a human representative."
Sunstein has said people ought to be able to sue on behalf of abused animals PolitiFact



Another secularist, Physicist Victor Stengler writes: “Astronomical observations continue to demonstrate that the earth is no more significant than a single grain of sand on a vast beach.” The more science teaches us about the natural world, the less important the role human beings play in the grand scheme of things. As science writer Tom Bethell notes, “an article of our secular faith that there is nothing exceptional about human life.” Thus, we can add this ‘atheism-article-of-faith’ to the others, materialism, and moral relativism, that form the Cliff-Notes of modern liberalism.



Religion proclaims human exceptionalism, and human dignity.

See the difference?

 

[basquebromance]

for those who pray rather than rely on science, i say: Science Is an Answer to Our Prayers!

 

[PoliticalChic]

for those who pray rather than rely on science, i say: Science Is an Answer to Our Prayers!

The damage government schooling has done to you is irreversible.

Has you more of an actual education, this would be clear:


Francis Sellers Collins , physician-geneticist, noted for his discoveries of disease genes and his leadership of the Human Genome Project (HG) has written a book about his Christian faith. Then there was Stephen Jay Gould, paleontologist, evolutionary biologist, and historian of science, who said that "science and religion do not glower at each other…” but, rather, represent Non-overlapping magisteria. (above from Wikipedia). And Einstein: Science without religion is lame, religion without science is blind.




but science itself will cast the determining vote between the secular and religious: The universe is biophilic….the conditions on our planet are like Goldilocks’ porridge…not too hot, not too cold: just right.

. "…according to various calculations, if the values of some of the fundamental parameters of our universe were a little larger or a little smaller, life could not have arisen. For example, if the nuclear force were a few percentage points stronger than it actually is, then all the hydrogen atoms in the infant universe would have fused with other hydrogen atoms to make helium, and there would be no hydrogen left. No hydrogen means no water.
…the great question, of course, is why these fundamental parameters happen to lie within the range needed for life. Does the universe care about life? Intelligent design is one answer. Indeed, a fair number of theologians, philosophers, and even some scientists have used fine-tuning and the anthropic principle as evidence of the existence of God.” The accidental universe: Science's crisis of faith
By Alan P. Lightman
http://www.harpers.org/archive/2011/12/0083720


That's from a physicist.

 

[PoliticalChic]

4. Progressivism aside, there is no need for the abandonment of our founding religion.

“As its history abundantly shows, however, nothing in the Establishment Clause requires government to be strictly neutral between religion and irreligion, nor does that Clause prohibit Congress or the States from pursuing legitimate secular ends through nondiscriminatory sectarian means.” “Church And State In American History,” John F. Wilson



At no time, and in no way, was America ever meant to ‘separate church and state.’



5. Ignorance of our history makes Progressivism possible, and keeping the public ignorant is the job that schools have volunteered to do, and they do it well.
There is Tocqueville’s Democracy in America, written in 1830, which I will bet is not part if the curriculum in government school. It would give students the ability to compare what made America possible, and great, with the secularism that has taken hold.

“Tocqueville thought that religion, true or false, was a social necessity, especially in a democracy: ‘How is it possible that society should escape destruction if the moral tie not be strengthened in proportion as the political tie is relaxed? And what can be done with a people which is its own master, if it be not submissive to the Divinity?” George Will, “The Conservative Sensibility,” p.484


I can answer Tocqueville’s query: we get a political party that stands for this sort of thing: The Democrat Party is now running on full-blown anti-white racism, socialism, infanticide, opposition to free speech, substituting illegal alien voters for the American citizenry, and anti-Semitism… the knuckle-dragging, atavistic pagan party.


Can’t be more secular than this without guillotines and concentration camps.



The debate going on in Congress compares honoring labor, work, enterprise, with this, from the Democrat Green New Deal: “providing economic security for those who don’t care to work.”

I can’t wait to see the details in the bill.

What could be more important to the Democrats/Bolsheviks, than helping out of work Americans?


This:


"Biden: Green New Deal Could Come in Next Round of Coronavirus Relief"

Biden: Green New Deal Could Come in Next Round of Coronavirus Relief

Democratic frontrunner Joe Biden said Wednesday that a version of the Green New Deal could come "in the next round" of coronavirus relief.

freebeacon.com

 

[PoliticalChic]

10. Secularism/Progressivism/Marxism hides behind numerous disguises.

Perhaps you’ve missed the hidden agenda in what is called environmentalism. Were you taught that it is one more iteration of secularism, anti-religion, the statist religion of Rousseau, Hegel and Marx?




Here is a remedial they failed to mention in government school when they taught you to worship Gaia, Earth.

“One spin-off of the Enlightenment was the desire to find new myths that would transcend daily existence and take one to a higher level of purification. Proto-fascist, and founder of ecology, Ernst Haeckel, invested nature-worship with the belief that all matter was alive and possessed mental attributes. In ‘monism,’ he brought together hostility to Christianity, and propaganda for Darwinism, a nature cult and theories of hygiene and selective breeding.” J.W. Burrow, “The Crisis of Reason: European Thought, 1848-1914,” p. 218-19



“In 1867 the German zoologist Ernst Haeckel coined the term 'ecology' and began to establish it as a scientific discipline dedicated to studying the interactions between organism and environment. Haeckel believed in nordic racial superiority, strenuously opposed race mixing and enthusiastically supported racial eugenics. Haeckel contributed to that special variety of German thought which served as the seed bed for National Socialism. He became one of Germany's major ideologists for racism, nationalism and imperialism…he fulminated in antisemitic tones…played a key role in the establishment of the Nazi movement.”
Eco Fascism / Fascist Ideology : the Green Wing of the Nazi Party and Its Historical Antecedents by Peter Staudenmaier | Nazism | Nazi Germany

Secularism uses environmentalism as a weapons against the Judeo-Christian faith, and advances nature as the subject worthy of worship...just as other pagans believed.
And the protector of nature? Big government.

Like Medusa, secularism is a many-headed snake.

 

[MadChemist]

for those who pray rather than rely on science, i say: Science Is an Answer to Our Prayers!

Are you saying science and religion have to be exclusive of each other ?

 

[MadChemist]

4. Progressivism aside, there is no need for the abandonment of our founding religion.

“As its history abundantly shows, however, nothing in the Establishment Clause requires government to be strictly neutral between religion and irreligion, nor does that Clause prohibit Congress or the States from pursuing legitimate secular ends through nondiscriminatory sectarian means.” “Church And State In American History,” John F. Wilson



At no time, and in no way, was America ever meant to ‘separate church and state.’



5. Ignorance of our history makes Progressivism possible, and keeping the public ignorant is the job that schools have volunteered to do, and they do it well.
There is Tocqueville’s Democracy in America, written in 1830, which I will bet is not part if the curriculum in government school. It would give students the ability to compare what made America possible, and great, with the secularism that has taken hold.

“Tocqueville thought that religion, true or false, was a social necessity, especially in a democracy: ‘How is it possible that society should escape destruction if the moral tie not be strengthened in proportion as the political tie is relaxed? And what can be done with a people which is its own master, if it be not submissive to the Divinity?” George Will, “The Conservative Sensibility,” p.484


I can answer Tocqueville’s query: we get a political party that stands for this sort of thing: The Democrat Party is now running on full-blown anti-white racism, socialism, infanticide, opposition to free speech, substituting illegal alien voters for the American citizenry, and anti-Semitism… the knuckle-dragging, atavistic pagan party.


Can’t be more secular than this without guillotines and concentration camps.



The debate going on in Congress compares honoring labor, work, enterprise, with this, from the Democrat Green New Deal: “providing economic security for those who don’t care to work.”

I can’t wait to see the details in the bill.

What could be more important to the Democrats/Bolsheviks, than helping out of work Americans?


This:


"Biden: Green New Deal Could Come in Next Round of Coronavirus Relief"

Biden: Green New Deal Could Come in Next Round of Coronavirus Relief

Democratic frontrunner Joe Biden said Wednesday that a version of the Green New Deal could come "in the next round" of coronavirus relief.

freebeacon.com

This is the kind of thing that makes me wonder how we get these people in such key positions.

I've met a 100 people smarter than Biden who live in his home state. How is he a senator.

It truly blows my mind.

 

[Tom Paine 1949]

“How about we leave the coronavirus apocalypse for a moment, and get back to a more…permanent….disease: the spreading secularism apocalypse.”

That’s pretty funny, as is the hysterical tone of most of Politicalchick’s comments. I suppose she thinks she is being erudite, or just clever. But there is neither one nor another “apocalypse” here worthy of all her blather.

Trying to link up ancient paganism and secularism allows for much amusing wordplay: “Like Medusa, secularism is a many headed snake.” The possibilities here are endless, if not very helpful, and Politicalchic has talent in digging up the weirdest possible connections to make her “case.”

I know about the broad Enlightenment Christian and Deist views of our “Founding Fathers,” but “Founding Religion” is a new one to me. Quite amusing! The U.S. is not an ancient tribal Jewish state, nor the Vatican either. It is sad to hear all this confusion and demagogy.

The Great Enlightenment thinkers and activists of the 17th and 18th century were rightly much impressed with new discoveries about nature and natural laws. Science and religious tolerance rightly appealed to them, especially compared to the obscurantism and sectarianism of most organized religion. They were mostly repulsed by the strong states “Founded in Religion,” and heartily sick of disastrous religious wars in Europe.

Peter Gay wrote a masterful intellectual history, The Enlightenment, The Rise of Modern Paganism, which effected me profoundly as a young man. Most famous Enlightenment thinkers from Voltaire to Kant, and political revolutionaries from Washington and Jefferson to Thomas Paine, were NOT atheists, but they certainly all rejected pious partisan political and religious demagogy like we see in Politicalchic’s comments. Deism in particular was a religion or philosophy which — in a non-theistic and non-dogmatic fashion — allowed man to view with awe the natural world and “nature’s laws,” and to feel divinity in all of it.

We might do well to look to a modern “Deism” to bridge the gulf between religious dogmatism and a sometimes too arrogant atheism. A secular and environmentally aware Humanism which respects our place in nature and our spiritual and psychological needs for connection ... this is not a bad place to start our search. To me “nature is god” is no blasphemy, and awe for its mysterious power, or powers, and of course respect for life, is worship. I pray that politically partisan theists of organized religions will stop denouncing those who do not share their own peculiar views.

 

[DigitalDrifter]

This virus is likely to get more people around the world 'praying to god', than in many decades.

 

[PoliticalChic]

“How about we leave the coronavirus apocalypse for a moment, and get back to a more…permanent….disease: the spreading secularism apocalypse.”

That’s pretty funny, as is the hysterical tone of most of Politicalchick’s comments. I suppose she thinks she is being erudite, or just clever. But there is neither one nor another “apocalypse” here worthy of all her blather.

Trying to link up ancient paganism and secularism allows for much amusing wordplay: “Like Medusa, secularism is a many headed snake.” Medusa and Rousseau, our Founding Fathers, Lincoln, Marx — the possibilities are endless!

I know about the broad Enlightenment Christian and Deist views of our “Founding Fathers,” but “Founding Religion” is a new one to me. Quite amusing! The U.S. is not an ancient tribal Jewish state, nor the Vatican either. It is sad to hear all this confusion and demagogy.

The Great Enlightenment thinkers and activists of the 17th and 18th century were rightly much impressed with new discoveries about nature and natural laws. Science and religious tolerance rightly appealed to them, especially compared to the obscurantism and sectarianism of most religion. They were mostly repulsed by the strong states “Founded in Religion,” sick in particular of disastrous religious wars in Europe.

Peter Gay wrote a wonderful book, The Enlightenment, The Rise of Modern Paganism. Most famous Enlightenment thinkers from Voltaire and Kant, and political revolutionaries activists from Washington and Jefferson to Thomas Paine, were NOT atheists, but they certainly all rejected pious partisan political and religious demagogy like we see in Politicalchic words. Deism in particular was a religion or philosophy which — in a non-theistic and non-dogmatic fashion — allowed man to view with awe the natural world and “nature’s laws,” and to feel the divinity in all of it.

We might do well to look to a modern “Deism” to bridge the gulf between religious dogmatism and a sometimes too arrogant atheism. A secular and environmentally aware Humanism which respects our place in nature and our spiritual and psychological needs for connection ... is not a bad place to start. To me “nature is god” is no blasphemy, and awe for its mysterious power, or powers, and of course respect for life, is worship. I pray that the partisan theists of organized religions will stop denouncing those who do not share their own peculiar views.

'I suppose she thinks she is being erudite, or just clever. "
Actually, both.
That's what brought you here.



"Trying to link up ancient paganism and secularism...."

Exactly what I did.

“In 1867 the German zoologist Ernst Haeckel coined the term 'ecology' and began to establish it as a scientific discipline dedicated to studying the interactions between organism and environment. Haeckel believed in nordic racial superiority, strenuously opposed race mixing and enthusiastically supported racial eugenics. Haeckel contributed to that special variety of German thought which served as the seed bed for National Socialism. He became one of Germany's major ideologists for racism, nationalism and imperialism…he fulminated in antisemitic tones…played a key role in the establishment of the Nazi movement.”
Eco Fascism / Fascist Ideology : the Green Wing of the Nazi Party and Its Historical Antecedents by Peter Staudenmaier | Nazism | Nazi Germany



“Founding Religion” is a new one to me. Quite amusing!'
I bet there are lots of things that are new to you.

Fear not....I have your education at hand.
The reason our revolution was so different from the violent, homicidal chaos of the French version was the dominant American culture was Anglo-Saxon and Christian. “52 of the 56 signers of the declaration and 50 to 52 of the 55 signers of the Constitution were orthodox Trinitarian Christians.” http://www.davidlimbaugh.com/mt/archives/2010/02/new_column_libe_4.html Believers in the Father, Son, and Holy Ghost, or, as they would be known today, “an extremist Fundementalist hate group.”


Founding Religion: Judeo-Christianity.
1. The most quoted source was the Bible. Established in the original writings of our Founding Fathers we find that they discovered in Isaiah 33:22 the three branches of government: Isaiah 33:22 “For the LORD is our judge, the LORD is our lawgiver, the LORD is our king; he will save us.” Here we see the judicial, the legislative and the executive branches. In Ezra 7:24 we see where they established the tax exempt status of the church: Ezra 7:24 “Also we certify you, that touching any of the priests and Levites, singers, porters, Nethinims, or ministers of this house of God, it shall not be lawful to impose toll, tribute, or custom, upon them.”

When we look at our Constitution we see in Article 4 Section 4 that we are guaranteed a Republican form of government, that was found in Exodus 18 “Moreover thou shalt provide out of all the people able men, such as fear God, men of truth, hating covetousness; and place such over them, to be rulers of thousands, and rulers of hundreds, rulers of fifties, and rulers of tens:” This indicates that we are to choose, or elect God fearing men and women. Looking at Article 3 Section 3 we see almost word for word Deuteronomy 17:6: ‘No person shall be convicted of Treason unless on the testimony of two Witnesses. . .’ Deuteronomy 17:6 “At the mouth of two witnesses, or three witnesses. . .”. The next paragraph in Article 3 Section 3 refers to who should pay the price for treason. In England, they could punish the sons for the trespasses of the father, if the father died.
Roger Anghis -- Bring America Back To Her Religious Roots, Part 7


I bet you didn't know that there is even a reference to Jesus Christ in the Constitution.



You government school grads are all the same.....laughing at the things you don't know.

That's why educated folks look down on you.

 

[PoliticalChic]

“How about we leave the coronavirus apocalypse for a moment, and get back to a more…permanent….disease: the spreading secularism apocalypse.”

That’s pretty funny, as is the hysterical tone of most of Politicalchick’s comments. I suppose she thinks she is being erudite, or just clever. But there is neither one nor another “apocalypse” here worthy of all her blather.

Trying to link up ancient paganism and secularism allows for much amusing wordplay: “Like Medusa, secularism is a many headed snake.” Medusa and Rousseau, our Founding Fathers, Lincoln, Marx — the possibilities are endless!

I know about the broad Enlightenment Christian and Deist views of our “Founding Fathers,” but “Founding Religion” is a new one to me. Quite amusing! The U.S. is not an ancient tribal Jewish state, nor the Vatican either. It is sad to hear all this confusion and demagogy.

The Great Enlightenment thinkers and activists of the 17th and 18th century were rightly much impressed with new discoveries about nature and natural laws. Science and religious tolerance rightly appealed to them, especially compared to the obscurantism and sectarianism of most organized religion. They were mostly repulsed by the strong states “Founded in Religion,” and heartily sick of disastrous religious wars in Europe.

Peter Gay wrote a masterful intellectual history, The Enlightenment, The Rise of Modern Paganism, which effected me profoundly as a young man. Most famous Enlightenment thinkers from Voltaire to Kant, and political revolutionaries from Washington and Jefferson to Thomas Paine, were NOT atheists, but they certainly all rejected pious partisan political and religious demagogy like we see in Politicalchic’s comments. Deism in particular was a religion or philosophy which — in a non-theistic and non-dogmatic fashion — allowed man to view with awe the natural world and “nature’s laws,” and to feel the divinity in all of it.

We might do well to look to a modern “Deism” to bridge the gulf between religious dogmatism and a sometimes too arrogant atheism. A secular and environmentally aware Humanism which respects our place in nature and our spiritual and psychological needs for connection ... this is not a bad place to start our search. To me “nature is god” is no blasphemy, and awe for its mysterious power, or powers, and of course respect for life, is worship. I pray that politically partisan theists of organized religions will stop denouncing those who do not share their own peculiar views.

None of the Founders were deists.


So...we find Liberals, Progressives, Democrats claiming that America is not based on a Judeo-Christian foundation, and that our Founder were otherwise than steeped in those same orthodox and traditional views.
Let's shine the light of truth on the this despicable fiction.



The truth about American's founders is..."all of whom, even if some did not individually adhere to orthodox Christianity, were steeped in the Judeo-Christian tradition.

Here’s what we can say for certain about their religious beliefs.

a) All of the Founders believed in a transcendent God, that is, a Creator who exists outside of nature.
b) All the Founders believed in a God who imposes moral obligations on human beings
c) All the Founders believed in a God who punishes bad behavior and rewards good behavior in an afterlife."

https://www.prageru.com/courses/history/were-founders-religious

As the dupes of the Left throw around terms to make their case, let's see what "Deist" actually means.

4. As there is far, far too much evidence for the Judeo-Christian basis of our nation, those on the Left....desiring to adhere to Marx's doctrines....attempt to call the Founders 'deists' to attempt to pry them from being called 'religious.'

de•ism
noun
belief in the existence of a supreme being, specifically of a creator who does not intervene in the universe. The term is used chiefly of an intellectual movement of the 17th and 18th centuries that accepted the existence of a creator on the basis of reason but rejected belief in a supernatural deity who interacts with humankind. Google




5. "The notion that any of the Founders believed in an impersonal deity who merely created the universe and then left it to itself is false. All of them believed in a God who, as Franklin said at the Constitutional Convention, “governs in the affairs of men.”


Let’s start with George Washington.

Washington’s writings, both public and private, are full of references to the Bible. This is certainly true during his eight years as the first President of the United States.

Here is Washington at his first Inaugural:
“The propitious smiles of Heaven can never be expected on a nation that disregards the eternal rules of order and right, which Heaven itself has ordained.”
In all likelihood, Washington was an orthodox Christian.


Like Washington, Benjamin Franklin also referenced Bible verses, stories, and metaphors throughout his life. His calls for prayer at the Constitutional Convention were typical of his attitude. Franklin, who had his own unorthodox views, summed up his faith this way: “That the soul of man is immortal, and will be treated with justice in another life respecting its conduct in this.”

Clearly not a view of God ignoring his creations.



6. When it comes to John Adams, the Leftwing sophists have a field day!

"Adams referred to himself as a Christian throughout his life, but did not believe in traditional Christian doctrines such as the trinity or the divinity of Jesus.... [but] before, during and after his tenure as President, Adams repeatedly asserted his admiration for the Christian faith... Adams spoke of his great respect for the Bible. “[T]he Bible is the best book in the world. It contains more of my… philosophy than all the libraries I have seen…”


a. Those who suggest that Adams was in any way against religion like to quote from a letter he wrote to Thomas Jefferson in which he said, “This would be the best of all possible worlds if there was no religion in it.”

Seems to be a perfect spokesman for Marx or Lenin, no?

Definitely, no.



Unfortunately, those who cite this line never quote the lines that immediately follow “But in this exclamation, I should have been as fanatical as [the skeptics of religion]. Without religion, this world would be something not fit to be mentioned in polite company—I mean hell.”

So, those who quote the first line without quoting the subsequent lines are either unaware of the full comment or are deliberately misleading people as to Adams’s beliefs."
Ibid.



7. "Like Adams, Thomas Jefferson did not adhere to orthodox doctrine. Yet he often declared himself to be a Christian. “I am a Christian, he said, “in the only sense he [Jesus] wished anyone to be: sincerely attached to his doctrines...”

As one of the leaders of the American Revolution, his views are well known. After all, this is the man who wrote in the Declaration of Independence that “all men… are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.” You can’t get a much more explicit statement of belief than that.



These four founders – Washington, Adams, Jefferson and Franklin – were practical men with a sober view of human nature. They understood that man is morally weak and that religion provides the best encouragement and incentive to be good.

It does so, first and foremost, by teaching that choices have consequences. Not necessarily in the here and now, but most certainly in the hereafter – meted out by a just God.


It should come as no surprise, then, that Jefferson, in his second inaugural, asked for, “The favor of that Being in whose hands we are, who led our forefathers, as Israel of old, from their native land.”

https://www.prageru.com/courses/history/were-founders-religious