The Sad Misguided Life of George Carlin. He was NOT a genius, and NOT a hero.

[Mashmont]

It's actually you who doesn't know anything about economics. Businesses aren't the only source of personal wealth, wages are. How do you think businesses make money? Magic? They have paying customers who pay with their wages. Ever heard of the "PAYING CONSUMER"? If the government employs people and pays them a wage, then those people have the purchasing power to buy the products they consume from the private sector. The private sector profits, whether the customer works for a private company or the government, it doesn't matter. The public sector does indeed create wealth, through employment, offering its currency, and building and providing infrastructure. It's silly of you to claim that an economy can function at a national scale without a government.

Where do you think the government gets its money? The tooth fairy?

We could just have the public sector, without a private one,

China tried that under Mao. 45 million people starved to death.

 

[Mashmont]

Guys, this isn't a thread on why Communism has been a disaster. It's about why Carlin was a miserable soul.

 

[Orangecat]

He was NOT a genius, and NOT a hero.​

True, he was a stand-up comedian.

 

[Mashmont]

True, he was a stand-up comedian.

Comedians are supposed to be funny. They aren't supposed to spew hatred. Jimmy Kimmel is also supposed to be a comedian. All he does is spew partisan leftwing hatred. Hate and anger aren't funny.

Know who was funny as hell? Rush Limbaugh. He wasn't even a comedian per se, yet he was funnier than Carlin, Kimmel, Colbert, and Oliver....all these guys who are supposed to be funny but aren't.

 

[Orangecat]

religious folks live in a fantasy world, fooling themselves into thinking there's a heavenly sugar daddy that cares for them and is going to grant them eternal life behind the pearly gates.

Communists live in a fantasy world, fooling themselves into thinking there's a government sugar daddy that cares for them and is going to grant them an easy life via Marxist wealth redistribution. They are useful idiots, the lot of them..

 

[Orangecat]

Comedians are supposed to be funny. They aren't supposed to spew hatred. Jimmy Kimmel is also supposed to be a comedian. All he does is spew partisan leftwing hatred. Hate and anger aren't funny.

Some comedy is no more than insightful views on everyday life.
Not everyone laughs when their dogma is examined/questioned.
Regardless, Carlin is well known, amongst other things, as a stand-up comedian.

 

[AsherN]

Think for a minute, genius. Big government = big power. Which side of the aisle wants big infinite government? It ain't conservatives.

Holy crap, you have not looked out lately. "conservatives" are the ones who are trying to control women. "conservatives" are the ones trying to use government to impose religion. You truly have no clue.

 

[Mashmont]

Holy crap, you have not looked out lately. "conservatives" are the ones who are trying to control women. "conservatives" are the ones trying to use government to impose religion. You truly have no clue.

The courts protecting the lives of little babies is the only thin thread allowing us to hang on to a shred of decency. Protecting these little children from the butcher knife of the leftwing murderers.

 

[Red Front]

Where do you think the government gets its money? The tooth fairy?


China tried that under Mao. 45 million people starved to death.

The US federal government doesn't get its money from anyone, the USD is a sovereign currency. Do you even know what that means? The US federal government is the exclusive issuer of the dollar, hence no one else, unless they have a charter (the banks hold charters) can create officially recognized dollars. Only state and local governments fund themselves with taxes and through the federal government budget. Federal taxes aren't meant to "fund" the US federal government, but rather to maintain the value of the dollar and control inflation, by taking money out of the private sector. Learn monetary policy (how money is created and about the national debt) from a professor:

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The Deficit Myth: The Biggest Lie In Politics | 1Dime​

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US debt is a myth​

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Now let's get this clear for you, that way you won't make the mistake of falling into this line of argumentation. If the US federal government is able to "print" money at will, does this imply that it has no budgetary constraints or limits and it can just create a 400 trillion dollar yearly budget? No it can't do that, even though it doesn't rely on taxes to fund itself. The budgetary limits of the US federal government are set by our national GDP (Gross Domestic Product), our nation's production capacity. Our level of employment has a lot to do with our GDP, because when people are employed, they're producing products and services, and being paid a wage, which they then use to buy stuff, hence we have an economy. So production and employment is extremely important and determines how much money the federal government can "print" (i.e. how much money the banks can type into a computer keyboard and how much hard cash currency the US treasury can print). So yes, the US federal government has budgetary constraints, but it's not based on how much tax money it receives.

Our state and local governments due rely on taxes to fund themselves and they also depend upon the federal government budget. They receive money from the federal government plus local and state taxes.

As far as your claim about Mao, first I'd like to say. If you want to compare body counts, whose mountain of rotting corpses is taller, you're going to have a really hard time as a defender of capitalism. Capitalist imperialism and colonialism killed more people and continue to do so than the communists ever killed. So you're quite confused if you believe you have the moral high ground upon which to stand and point your finger at communists. You don't. Now with that said, there were many famines in China throughout its history, before there was even one communist. More, the large figure that you gave is bogus and calculated by capitalist propagandists. Scholars like Raymond Lotta, completely debunks your disingenuous claim, showing how it is groundless, without any evidence whatsoever, and a complete exaggeration:

Mao's Famine Debunked

Black Book of Communism Debunked

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If you want to go this route in our discussion where you start spewing out death tolls, you're not going to do well. Capitalist imperialist hands are drenched in children's blood, so spare me and everyone else your unfounded capitalist figures. More, your Bible is full of divinely condoned death and destruction, and you simply don't care, you justify all of the violence in your "holy book". Whatever your invisible imaginary sky daddy condoned and even ordered is justified, irrespective of its brutality and how many people died. So you're for violence, provided your mythology supports it. It's complete hypocrisy for Bible-believing Christians, whether Protestant or Catholic like you, to be claiming moral high ground when it comes to violence and destruction. Your religion has been incredibly destructive throughout the centuries, so give it a rest and stick to economic arguments, rather than death tolls and mud-slinging when debating communists or Atheists like myself. You religious folks have no moral high ground whatsoever.

 

[Mashmont]

The US federal government doesn't get its money from anyone, the USD is a sovereign currency. Do you even know what that means? The US federal government is the exclusive issuer of the dollar, hence no one else, unless they have a charter (the banks hold charters) can create officially recognized dollars. Only state and local governments fund themselves with taxes and through the federal government budget. Federal taxes aren't meant to "fund" the US federal government, but rather to maintain the value of the dollar and control inflation, by taking money out of the private sector. Learn monetary policy (how money is created and about the national debt) from a professor:

​

The Deficit Myth: The Biggest Lie In Politics | 1Dime​

​

US debt is a myth​

​

Now let's get this clear for you, that way you won't make the mistake of falling into this line of argumentation. If the US federal government is able to "print" money at will, does this imply that it has no budgetary constraints or limits and it can just create a 400 trillion dollar yearly budget? No it can't do that, even though it doesn't rely on taxes to fund itself. The budgetary limits of the US federal government are set by our national GDP (Gross Domestic Product), our nation's production capacity. Our level of employment has a lot to do with our GDP, because when people are employed, they're producing products and services, and being paid a wage, which they then use to buy stuff, hence we have an economy. So production and employment is extremely important and determines how much money the federal government can "print" (i.e. how much money the banks can type into a computer keyboard and how much hard cash currency the US treasury can print). So yes, the US federal government has budgetary constraints, but it's not based on how much tax money it receives.

Our state and local governments due rely on taxes to fund themselves and they also depend upon the federal government budget. They receive money from the federal government plus local and state taxes.

As far as your claim about Mao, first I'd like to say. If you want to compare body counts, whose mountain of rotting corpses is taller, you're going to have a really hard time as a defender of capitalism. Capitalist imperialism and colonialism killed more people and continue to do so than the communists ever killed. So you're quite confused if you believe you have the moral high ground upon which to stand and point your finger at communists. You don't. Now with that said, there were many famines in China throughout its history, before there was even one communist. More, the large figure that you gave is bogus and calculated by capitalist propagandists. Scholars like Raymond Lotta, completely debunks your disingenuous claim, showing how it is groundless, without any evidence whatsoever, and a complete exaggeration:

Mao's Famine Debunked

Black Book of Communism Debunked

​

If you want to go this route in our discussion where you start spewing out death tolls, you're not going to do well. Capitalist imperialist hands are drenched in children's blood, so spare me and everyone else your unfounded capitalist figures. More, your Bible is full of divinely condoned death and destruction, and you simply don't care, you justify all of the violence in your "holy book". Whatever your invisible imaginary sky daddy condoned and even ordered is justified, irrespective of its brutality and how many people died. So you're for violence, provided your mythology supports it. It's complete hypocrisy for Bible-believing Christians, whether Protestant or Catholic like you, to be claiming moral high ground when it comes to violence and destruction. Your religion has been incredibly destructive throughout the centuries, so give it a rest and stick to economic arguments, rather than death tolls and mud-slinging when debating communists or Atheists like myself. You religious folks have no moral high ground whatsoever.

What you're really said is taxpayer money doesn't fund government, that government funds itself by printing money/
You also say an economy can thrive with only the government sector and no private sector.

Both are complete nonsense.

But before I let you go down another rabbit hole, I will hold your feet to the fire and insist you answer my question from post #1030. I will repeat them here:

Question: Which can put you in jail if you don't do what they want? Corporations or Government?
Question: Which can legislate the other out of business? Corporations or Government?
Question: Which has far more money? Corporations or Government?

 

[Red Front]

What you're really said is taxpayer money doesn't fund government, that government funds itself by printing money/
You also say an economy can thrive with only the government sector and no private sector.

Both are complete nonsense.

But before I let you go down another rabbit hole, I will hold your feet to the fire and insist you answer my question from post #1030. I will repeat them here:

Question: Which can put you in jail if you don't do what they want? Corporations or Government?
Question: Which can legislate the other out of business? Corporations or Government?
Question: Which has far more money? Corporations or Government?

You need to improve your reading comprehension. What I said is that the federal government doesn't rely on taxpayers to fund itself. State and local governments, depend upon taxes and federal money to fund themselves. You insist that since the government can put us in jail, pass laws that hurt businesses, and print money it is the true culprit for all of the bad and destructive policies and hardships caused by them. The problem with your thinking is that you're ignoring the fact that it's the rich that determine legislation by lobbying (i.e. bribing) politicians to pass laws that serve their vested interests, often at the expense of the public. The government puts people in jail based upon the breaking of laws often pushed by the wealthy ruling class. Private-run prisons have an army of lobbyists in the halls of government across America bribing politicians to push their agenda, of making more things illegal. Prison guard unions also have lobbyists in Washington trying to pass laws to make more things illegal. Our government is a plutocracy, run by corporations.

 

[Grumblenuts]

Welcome aboard, CF. Reading your calm argument style and providing of linked sources for backup come as a breath of fresh air. Still no idea why you choose communism for an end goal. I've never been able to fathom that line of logic. Halfway there perhaps? A more natural economic system, better adapted to social animals, including people perhaps.

Anyway, finding yourself trying to discuss this with Mashmont appears a hopeless, masochistic accident from here. You could have begun arguing your case for communism with just about anyone here. You've arrived in anti-commie heaven but it seems your dart missed the high scoring section. That said, I could have it all wrong. This could surprise me and prove a very productive discussion after all. Only time will tell.. {perhaps best continued elsewhere}. Good luck.

 

[Mashmont]

You need to improve your reading comprehension. What I said is that the federal government doesn't rely on taxpayers to fund itself. State and local governments, depend upon taxes and federal money to fund themselves. You insist that since the government can put us in jail, pass laws that hurt businesses, and print money it is the true culprit for all of the bad and destructive policies and hardships caused by them. The problem with your thinking is that you're ignoring the fact that it's the rich that determine legislation by lobbying (i.e. bribing) politicians to pass laws that serve their vested interests, often at the expense of the public. The government puts people in jail based upon the breaking of laws often pushed by the wealthy ruling class. Private-run prisons have an army of lobbyists in the halls of government across America bribing politicians to push their agenda, of making more things illegal. Prison guard unions also have lobbyists in Washington trying to pass laws to make more things illegal. Our government is a plutocracy, run by corporations.

And....you didn't answer my three questions. Why not? You just diverted (again).
Were the questions too tough? Or you just didn't like the answers?

 

[Mashmont]

Welcome aboard, CF. Reading your calm argument style and providing of linked sources for backup come as a breath of fresh air. Still no idea why you choose communism for an end goal. I've never been able to fathom that line of logic. Halfway there perhaps? A more natural economic system, better adapted to social animals, including people perhaps.

Anyway, finding yourself trying to discuss this with Mashmont appears a hopeless, masochistic accident from here. You could have begun arguing your case for communism with just about anyone here. You've arrived in anti-commie heaven but it seems your dart missed the high scoring section. That said, I could have it all wrong. This could surprise me and prove a very productive discussion after all. Only time will tell.. {perhaps best continued elsewhere}. Good luck.

This is like somebody coming in with a presentation on "winning roulette strategies". No matter how smooth their presentation or stylish their links, their whole premise is bunk, and all statements based on it are total nonsense.

In socialism, the gullible carry the water for the evil masterminds. In Communism, these same dupes commit atrocities for the dictators.

 

[Red Front]

And....you didn't answer my three questions. Why not? You just diverted (again).
Were the questions too tough? Or you just didn't like the answers?

I thoroughly answered your questions and pointed out your misconceptions about money and government. You can pretend otherwise if it makes you feel better.

 

[Mashmont]

I thoroughly answered your questions and pointed out your misconceptions about money and government. You can pretend otherwise if it makes you feel better.

You didn't. You just wrote long paragraphs about something else. Copy and paste each of the three questions I asked and answer them directly. Let's see it. No more waffling.

 

[Red Front]

You didn't. You just wrote long paragraphs about something else. Copy and paste each of the three questions I asked and answer them directly. Let's see it. No more waffling.

I did, read it again, perhaps you'll be able to comprehend what you read on the second or third try. You can deny that I did, but that's just your opinion. Opinions are like heads, everyone has one. I have better things to do with my time than continue going back and forth with you, so now have the last word and delude yourself into thinking you've "won" something.

 

[Mashmont]

I did, read it again, perhaps you'll be able to comprehend what you read on the second or third try. You can deny that I did, but that's just your opinion. Opinions are like heads, everyone has one. I have better things to do with my time than continue going back and forth with you, so now have the last word and delude yourself into thinking you've "won" something.

You're exactly like that NotfooledbyW guy. Long-winded responses that have zero to do with the question. I'll give you one last chance. Here's what you do. After each one of my numbered questions, answer the question. A one-word answer will suffice for each, but you may explain with a line or two. If you don't do that, we're done, and you have conceded defeat.

Question: Which can put you in jail if you don't do what they want? Corporations or Government?
Question: Which can legislate the other out of business? Corporations or Government?
Question: Which has far more money? Corporations or Government?

 

[WinterBorn]

I was watching a video my son sent me a link for. He knows I love George Carlin, as he does.

Take 10 minutes out of your day and watch these comedians tell you what Carlin meant to them and why.

 

[Mashmont]

I was watching a video my son sent me a link for. He knows I love George Carlin, as he does.

Take 10 minutes out of your day and watch these comedians tell you what Carlin meant to them and why.

There's an audience for Carlin, just like there's an audience for porn, prostitutes, gambling, and drugs. Doesn't mean it's good.

Truly talented comedians are funny without being nasty. Frankly, filth isn't funny.