The right's hatred for Obama: If it isn't "race", then what is it?

[daveman]

"All hail the Godking"

Nice touch of propaganda comrade.......which Alinsky method is that one Comrade Daveman?

I notice you are the only one posting propaganda on this thread.....The force of.Alinsky is strong within you comrade

Well done Comrade daveman..

As Alinsky would say......Rule 5: Ridicule is man’s most potent weapon. It’s hard to counterattack ridicule, and it infuriates the opposition, which then reacts to your advantage.

You have learned well

What's REALLY hilarious is that you believe that horseshit. And that you think you deserve anything but ridicule.

Didn't you once try to tell me that Communism is a conservative system? That's the sort of stupid thing you'd say.

 

[daveman]

It's far less complicated that that. Identity politics (belonging to a group) trumps self interest.

now STFU and stop trying to lecture people here. You need to earn your way here .. douchebagh.

He doesn't have to kiss your ass.

No he doesn't, but like you he wants to.

Thanks, Dante. I was wondering when I'd get my daily dose of leftist homophobia.

Now you will predictably claim that using homosexuality as an insult isn't derogatory to gays, and that some of your best friends are gay.

 

[Dante]

Once again we have an argument supposing that republicans' economic theory is the same as democrats, but that they're either too stupid, too racist, or too socially uptight to do what's in their best interest. This argument is either ignorant or dishonest. Only you can say which.

It's far less complicated that that. Identity politics (belonging to a group) trumps self interest.

...is a question of morality in which we're, apparently, diametrically opposed.

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Sarajevo's 1984 Olympics: Sarajevo was famous for its diversity

Sarajevo 1992(?): then the propaganda started and a bloodbath ensued. People can easily be manipulated in actions against their best interests in support of group identity.

lesson over

Well okay, then. If it happened in Sarajevo, then that clearly proves that this is exactly what's going on with today's Republicans in America, because it's an inarguable fact that the Democrats are correct in their economic theory.

Gee your logic is tight.

I have no idea what you mean here. A question of morality, economic theory?

What I was saying was that people aren't "too stupid, too racist, or too socially uptight to do what's in their best interest" --- people often do what is against their own self-interest because of identity/group politics

 

[MikeK]

[...]

The use of Kenysian Economics a theory that has never worked any place in the world.

Keynsian economics worked exceptionally well in Chile under Salvador Allende. The Chilean economy was ravaged in essentially the same manner as the U.S. economy has recently been ravaged, by precisely the same kind of Milton Friedman-style "supply side" policies imposed by the tyrant, Augusto Pinochet -- who assassinated Allende in a military coup.

His attempt to create Income Redistribution a tenant of Socialism/Communism is in this Country Unconstitutional.

That is a deceptive distortion of the facts. Regulated wealth redistribution is neither communism nor purist socialism. It is a perfectly democratic form of achieving social balance and is every bit as Constitutional as is taxation with representation. Obama is doing things that FDR did to give rise to the middle class.

Don't allow yourself to be deceived by such right-wing propagandists as Limbaugh, Beck, Hannity, Levin, et al. These men are millionaires in service to billionaires and their purpose is to destroy the middle class. Please give that some thought.

 

[Remodeling Maidiac]

Stop bumping this trash thread.

 

[Dante]

Stop bumping this trash thread.

*bump

 

[Not2BSubjugated]

Sarajevo's 1984 Olympics: Sarajevo was famous for its diversity

Sarajevo 1992(?): then the propaganda started and a bloodbath ensued. People can easily be manipulated in actions against their best interests in support of group identity.

lesson over

Well okay, then. If it happened in Sarajevo, then that clearly proves that this is exactly what's going on with today's Republicans in America, because it's an inarguable fact that the Democrats are correct in their economic theory.

Gee your logic is tight.

I have no idea what you mean here. A question of morality, economic theory?

What I was saying was that people aren't "too stupid, too racist, or too socially uptight to do what's in their best interest" --- people often do what is against their own self-interest because of identity/group politics

Yeah, the first time I replied I misinterpreted what you were getting at. I agree, identity politics factor in (on both sides of the isle, in fact). Politicians wouldn't use them if they didn't have some value. My argument, which you were responding to, wasn't that there aren't any group politics in play on the Republican side. My argument was that assuming that it was understood by all middle-class republicans that there were no logically self-interested reasons to vote for a republican in stead of a democrat and it was purely identity politics pulling them in is willfully ignoring that not everyone agrees that the democrats are better for the middle class. SOMETIMES identity politics trump self interest. Not universally.

 

[Dante]

Well okay, then. If it happened in Sarajevo, then that clearly proves that this is exactly what's going on with today's Republicans in America, because it's an inarguable fact that the Democrats are correct in their economic theory.

Gee your logic is tight.

I have no idea what you mean here. A question of morality, economic theory?

What I was saying was that people aren't "too stupid, too racist, or too socially uptight to do what's in their best interest" --- people often do what is against their own self-interest because of identity/group politics

Yeah, the first time I replied I misinterpreted what you were getting at. I agree, identity politics factor in (on both sides of the isle, in fact). Politicians wouldn't use them if they didn't have some value.

My argument, which you were responding to, wasn't that there aren't any group politics in play on the Republican side.

1) My argument was that assuming that it was understood by all middle-class republicans that there were no logically self-interested reasons to vote for a republican in stead of a democrat, and it was purely identity politics pulling them in, 2) is willfully ignoring that not everyone agrees that the democrats are better for the middle class. 3) SOMETIMES identity politics trump self interest. Not universally.

One inescapable observation is that many middle-class Republicans will ignore the appeals of Democrats when they propose things that are better for middle-class self interests, when the arguments get framed in ways that pit identity (belonging to a group) against self-interests.

During campaigns, dentity politics often trumps self-interests, and that is interesting to watch unfold.

 

[rdean]

And now Republicans are once again attacking Obama's religion and family. Sure, it has nothing to do with race.

Rev. says he wishes the right wing Christians would meet the "right" Christians.

 

[CaughtInTheMid]

the right hates obama because he's on the left.

 

[Liability]

And now Republicans are once again attacking Obama's religion and family. Sure, it has nothing to do with race.

Rev. says he wishes the right wing Christians would meet the "right" Christians.

rderp drools again. A COUPLE of Republicans express their religious views and rderp immediately jumps to the conclusion that ALL Republicans are on the "attack."

He can't be so stupid as to really believe his own obvious bullshit. Ergo, he has to be just a liar.

Or a lair.

And the Rev. Wright is a scumbag, so whatever he says is of no consequence.

Also -- and finally -- get the sand out of your vagina, rderp. Yes. Gov. Christie is fat.

 

[sassmcghee]

I don't hate Obama the person, but I thoroughly disagree with his politics and how he has handled things so far. I think there are plenty of racists out there that probably hate him because he's "not white" but they are not the majority when it comes to not liking a liberal President. Most dislike him because of his politics. It's just that those people are "boring" so the media and people with cell phones taking pictures aren't going to focus on anyone but the idiots out there and the racists.

 

[Not2BSubjugated]

I have no idea what you mean here. A question of morality, economic theory?

What I was saying was that people aren't "too stupid, too racist, or too socially uptight to do what's in their best interest" --- people often do what is against their own self-interest because of identity/group politics

Yeah, the first time I replied I misinterpreted what you were getting at. I agree, identity politics factor in (on both sides of the isle, in fact). Politicians wouldn't use them if they didn't have some value.

My argument, which you were responding to, wasn't that there aren't any group politics in play on the Republican side.

1) My argument was that assuming that it was understood by all middle-class republicans that there were no logically self-interested reasons to vote for a republican in stead of a democrat, and it was purely identity politics pulling them in, 2) is willfully ignoring that not everyone agrees that the democrats are better for the middle class. 3) SOMETIMES identity politics trump self interest. Not universally.

One inescapable observation is that many middle-class Republicans will ignore the appeals of Democrats when they propose things that are better for middle-class self interests, when the arguments get framed in ways that pit identity (belonging to a group) against self-interests.

During campaigns, dentity politics often trumps self-interests, and that is interesting to watch unfold.

On this we agree. All I was getting at is that arguments can be, and often are, made that the president's and the democrat's policies aren't, in the long run, better for the middle class. Thus race (and the broader scope of identity politics) can't be assumed to be the only reason republicans disagree with the president.

That said, one of my major complaints with people in general is exactly that: their ability to be swayed by identity politics on both sides of the isle.

 

[rightwinger]

And now Republicans are once again attacking Obama's religion and family. Sure, it has nothing to do with race.

Rev. says he wishes the right wing Christians would meet the "right" Christians.

rderp drools again. A COUPLE of Republicans express their religious views and rderp immediately jumps to the conclusion that ALL Republicans are on the "attack."

He can't be so stupid as to really believe his own obvious bullshit. Ergo, he has to be just a liar.

Or a lair.

And the Rev. Wright is a scumbag, so whatever he says is of no consequence.

Also -- and finally -- get the sand out of your vagina, rderp. Yes. Gov. Christie is fat.

No, not ALL Republicans. But there is a Christian fundamentalist base where those are the right buttons to push. "we are the true Americans". Any republican can't go wrong by playing that card

 

[Intense]

And now Republicans are once again attacking Obama's religion and family. Sure, it has nothing to do with race.

Rev. says he wishes the right wing Christians would meet the "right" Christians.

rderp drools again. A COUPLE of Republicans express their religious views and rderp immediately jumps to the conclusion that ALL Republicans are on the "attack."

He can't be so stupid as to really believe his own obvious bullshit. Ergo, he has to be just a liar.

Or a lair.

And the Rev. Wright is a scumbag, so whatever he says is of no consequence.

Also -- and finally -- get the sand out of your vagina, rderp. Yes. Gov. Christie is fat.

No, not ALL Republicans. But there is a Christian fundamentalist base where those are the right buttons to push. "we are the true Americans". Any republican can't go wrong by playing that card

Just like Obama can't go wrong with his Lounge Act. Too bad he is not as good at his Day Job, huh.

 

[Liability]

And now Republicans are once again attacking Obama's religion and family. Sure, it has nothing to do with race.

Rev. says he wishes the right wing Christians would meet the "right" Christians.

rderp drools again. A COUPLE of Republicans express their religious views and rderp immediately jumps to the conclusion that ALL Republicans are on the "attack."

He can't be so stupid as to really believe his own obvious bullshit. Ergo, he has to be just a liar.

Or a lair.

And the Rev. Wright is a scumbag, so whatever he says is of no consequence.

Also -- and finally -- get the sand out of your vagina, rderp. Yes. Gov. Christie is fat.

No, not ALL Republicans. But there is a Christian fundamentalist base where those are the right buttons to push. "we are the true Americans". Any republican can't go wrong by playing that card

leftwinger -- pontificating as though he actually "knows" about what is or isn't the "base" of the Republican Party -- is misguided. But, even to that extent, he still has it ALL over rderp. For, at least leftwinger is willing to discuss DISTINCTIONS.

rderp's world would be wrecked if he could not posit all of his "arguments" on the grounds of caricatures, presuppositions and fantasy-based generalizations.

 

[Disturbed1]

All the reasons you stated why conservatives "hate" Obama are ridiculous. The fact is, he has done nothing to improve the economy in our country but he's done plenty to make it worse.

I personally did not vote for Obama, but once elected I decided to wait and see what he would do. I hoped that he would, in fact, do what needed to be done to put this country back on the right track. He has not.

For 2 1/2 years he had a democrat controlled House and Senate, yet nothing was accomplished, not even something as basic as passing a budget. And now, he wants to blame the Republicans for impeding him?

It's definitely not about race, I'll tell you that. But, the left wants people to think that's why. Why do you think they worked so hard to dig stuff up on Herman Cain? So he would abandon his bid to be the GOP candidate. He was ahead in all the polls and hell....if the Republicans had someone who was even
"more black" than Obama, where was their "racism" argument?

But, just because Herman Cain is out of the race, that doesn't mean we should forget the amount of support he had and how he was ahead in the polls for so long.

So, please, leave the racism argument out of this. That argument is null and void and just makes people sound desperate.

 

[Harry Dresden]

Nagin was Mayor of the city of New Orleans. He was not part of the government of the state of Louisiana.

he isnt?.....what State was he a part of then?.....

 

[Harry Dresden]

"Line of the day from WAPO's Dana Milbank: 'The chimichanga? It may be the only thing Republicans have left to offer Latinos,' -- Obama Campaign Manager

Absolutely wrong.

Republicans have nothing to offer Latinos. Well except for harrassment by local law enforcement for having nice tans and sexy accents. But other then that? Nadda.

the Latinos out here Sallow get harassed too by Cops,and some are Latino Cops.....so how is this a Political thing?...been hanging with Dean again?.....

 

[Harry Dresden]

Nagin was Mayor of the city of New Orleans. He was not part of the government of the state of Louisiana.

oh brother.

That's correct. Nagin was a Municipal official.

In any case..I pretty much think Louisiana contributes to federal coffers like every other state. It's not unreasonable to expect some federal help from time to time after a disaster.

No?

in California if there is a Major Quake....we are told you may be on your own for maybe 2-3 days with the local responders......the State may show up in 3-4 Days the feds 5-6....
Nagin and the State just may have let many of those people down....