The Right Wing had better be right about this "Deep State" stuff.

[SAYIT]

The challenge when linking to MSNBC is finding anything TRUE in their stories.

But seriously, you think the corporate DNC controlled media is "independent?"

I didn't suggest that the corporate media was independent. That's you trying to draw conclusions.

Bullshit, unless a different Tehon posted "He is trying to silence the watchdog independent media "

You called the little Goebbels of the DNC Corporate media "watchdog independent media "

If you want actual independence try Breitbart, which is perhaps the ONLY honest media left.

Even Fox lied about Obama's cages when the Goebbels decided to blame them on Trump. Breitbart had reported on them in 2014 - indeed the photos were taken by Breitbart, but the DNC Media spiked the story to protect Obama.

Trump is trying to silence the independent media. Wikileaks is independent media. Trump has indicted Assange for disseminating truthful information...

And with that silliness you once again careen offs the rails. Trump has done nothing "to silence the independent media" - unless one is loony enough to consider self- defense an attempt to silence others - and he has indicted NO ONE.

It's clear your seething hatred for the POTUS trumps your rationality.

Julian Assange is under indictment right now. For disseminating factual information.

No … for violating the Computer Fraud and Abuse Act.

 

[Tehon]

I didn't suggest that the corporate media was independent. That's you trying to draw conclusions.

Bullshit, unless a different Tehon posted "He is trying to silence the watchdog independent media "

You called the little Goebbels of the DNC Corporate media "watchdog independent media "

If you want actual independence try Breitbart, which is perhaps the ONLY honest media left.

Even Fox lied about Obama's cages when the Goebbels decided to blame them on Trump. Breitbart had reported on them in 2014 - indeed the photos were taken by Breitbart, but the DNC Media spiked the story to protect Obama.

Trump is trying to silence the independent media. Wikileaks is independent media. Trump has indicted Assange for disseminating truthful information.

That statement is completely independent of the second part of my post where I linked to an article by NBC. They are two separate ideas.

Wikileaks is not media.

But good recovery anyway.

Of course it is. It's just atypical.

Media are the communication outlets or tools used to store and deliver information or data.[1][2]
Media (communication) - Wikipedia

From a technical standpoint. From that standpoint, this board is media.

BUT THE media is the news outlets such as the old print media and the electronic formal media.

It's independent media.

 

[Uncensored2008]

The challenge when linking to MSNBC is finding anything TRUE in their stories.

But seriously, you think the corporate DNC controlled media is "independent?"

I didn't suggest that the corporate media was independent. That's you trying to draw conclusions.

Bullshit, unless a different Tehon posted "He is trying to silence the watchdog independent media "

You called the little Goebbels of the DNC Corporate media "watchdog independent media "

If you want actual independence try Breitbart, which is perhaps the ONLY honest media left.

Even Fox lied about Obama's cages when the Goebbels decided to blame them on Trump. Breitbart had reported on them in 2014 - indeed the photos were taken by Breitbart, but the DNC Media spiked the story to protect Obama.

Trump is trying to silence the independent media. Wikileaks is independent media. Trump has indicted Assange for disseminating truthful information...

And with that silliness you once again careen offs the rails. Trump has done nothing "to silence the independent media" - unless one is loony enough to consider self- defense an attempt to silence others - and he has indicted NO ONE.

It's clear your seething hatred for the POTUS trumps your rationality.

Julian Assange is under indictment right now. For disseminating factual information.

The problem is that he took information from Bradley Manning that was top secret and resulted in the deaths of hundreds of people, mostly Afghan and Iraqi citizens who cooperated with America and then were murdered BECAUSE of what Assange did.

I want to be sympathetic to Assange, but it is REALLY hard to. When you kill people, it kind of makes you a scumbag.

 

[MisterBeale]

There is no doubt the Deep State exists. It has been in place for decades. However I would question just about anything promoted by Hannity and Levin. Partisans of either party can’t be trusted.

Agreed.

It exists.

However, the exact players and influence? The public will never be exposed to. Never.

It is a classic disinformation campaign. The shapers of public discourse let the the small folk in on a small piece of the truth, in order to conceal the true nature of reality. It is a classic misdirection.

They all are part of it, twisting and concealing the real and whole picture of what is going on. They are all in on a much larger nefarious violation of the public trust.

 

[Tehon]

I didn't suggest that the corporate media was independent. That's you trying to draw conclusions.

Bullshit, unless a different Tehon posted "He is trying to silence the watchdog independent media "

You called the little Goebbels of the DNC Corporate media "watchdog independent media "

If you want actual independence try Breitbart, which is perhaps the ONLY honest media left.

Even Fox lied about Obama's cages when the Goebbels decided to blame them on Trump. Breitbart had reported on them in 2014 - indeed the photos were taken by Breitbart, but the DNC Media spiked the story to protect Obama.

Trump is trying to silence the independent media. Wikileaks is independent media. Trump has indicted Assange for disseminating truthful information...

And with that silliness you once again careen offs the rails. Trump has done nothing "to silence the independent media" - unless one is loony enough to consider self- defense an attempt to silence others - and he has indicted NO ONE.

It's clear your seething hatred for the POTUS trumps your rationality.

Julian Assange is under indictment right now. For disseminating factual information.

No … for violating the Computer Fraud and Abuse Act.

That was the first set of indictments. The new set of indictments is for disseminating information. Assange is looking at 175 yrs if sentenced to the max. Oh yeah, and the Trump administration branded him a terrorist to boot.

Are you going to get your nose out of Trumps ass and stand up for the constitution?

 

[Uncensored2008]

Bullshit, unless a different Tehon posted "He is trying to silence the watchdog independent media "

You called the little Goebbels of the DNC Corporate media "watchdog independent media "

If you want actual independence try Breitbart, which is perhaps the ONLY honest media left.

Even Fox lied about Obama's cages when the Goebbels decided to blame them on Trump. Breitbart had reported on them in 2014 - indeed the photos were taken by Breitbart, but the DNC Media spiked the story to protect Obama.

Trump is trying to silence the independent media. Wikileaks is independent media. Trump has indicted Assange for disseminating truthful information.

That statement is completely independent of the second part of my post where I linked to an article by NBC. They are two separate ideas.

Wikileaks is not media.

But good recovery anyway.

Of course it is. It's just atypical.

Media are the communication outlets or tools used to store and deliver information or data.[1][2]
Media (communication) - Wikipedia

From a technical standpoint. From that standpoint, this board is media.

BUT THE media is the news outlets such as the old print media and the electronic formal media.

It's independent media.

Nope, just a data warehouse.

Mostly I support that, but the Manning shit was DESIGNED to get Iraqis killed. Bradley Manning stole the names of those in Iraq who cooperated with America, he did so to cause their deaths. For Assange to release those crosses the line of basic ethics.

 

[Tehon]

Trump is trying to silence the independent media. Wikileaks is independent media. Trump has indicted Assange for disseminating truthful information.

That statement is completely independent of the second part of my post where I linked to an article by NBC. They are two separate ideas.

Wikileaks is not media.

But good recovery anyway.

Of course it is. It's just atypical.

Media are the communication outlets or tools used to store and deliver information or data.[1][2]
Media (communication) - Wikipedia

From a technical standpoint. From that standpoint, this board is media.

BUT THE media is the news outlets such as the old print media and the electronic formal media.

It's independent media.

Nope, just a data warehouse.

Mostly I support that, but the Manning shit was DESIGNED to get Iraqis killed. Bradley Manning stole the names of those in Iraq who cooperated with America, he did so to cause their deaths. For Assange to release those crosses the line of basic ethics.

He exposed war crimes. Don't talk to me about ethics.

 

[SAYIT]

It's reactionary. It's nationalist.

How is "reactionary" a feature of the right? Few regimes in history are as reactionary as the Kim dynasty or indeed Stalin's empire.

While Fascism indeed makes claim to Nationalism, neither Hitler nor Mussolini could manage to stay within their own borders, so hard to take their claims seriously. But good response.

It's right wing reactionary because it rises up to squash social change. European fascism rose up to stop socialism.

You haven't read Mussolini. Fascism rose to FIX socialism. Remember Benito was the head of the Italian Communist party. He wrote in "Il Fascisti" of the failures of the Bolshevik model of Socialism. Fascism was meant to fix the most serious flaw, that of reward for effort which maintaining absolute control by the state. There was no desire to stop anything, but rather to make it actually work.

Fascism, like all socialism is the enslavement of some for the benefit of others. But Mussolini did have a working system that his former Boss never could come up with, until Stalin adopted the Mussolini model and employed it.

In the early 20th Century fascism became synonymous with right wing but it actually is a tool employed by regimes and movements - both right and left - that require totalitarianism to compel compliance and maintain power. Today it is the method by which the left operates.

If fascism takes root in America it will be our "progressives" - who definitely are not progressive - that plant the seeds and will do so under a thin veneer of anti-fascism, perhaps cynically calling it something like ANTIFA.

 

[Dick Foster]

So here we go, I guess.

This is no longer going to be some fevered conspiracy story born of one of Mark Levin's fevered hyper-partisan conspiracy books. It's no longer going to be the foundation of President Hannity's hyper-partisan radio and teevee shows, buttressed by the manic "reporting" of his small band of like-minded "investigative reporters" (Out-of-Control Sean Hannity Thumbs His Nose at Fox News Bosses).

It's no longer going to be this alternate-universe "blockbuster" narrative that a relatively small group of people know like the back of their hand, as if they're convinced that "Breaking Bad" or "Game of Thrones" are documentaries.

You're accusing the American government, all the way to the top, of conspiring to spy on and bring down a presidential candidate and an American President. Key players in this accusation include a Special Counsel, a former Director of National Intelligence, a former FBI Director, former Secretary of State and a former President. Not to mention any number of lower-level government conspirators. The Deep State.

Bottom line: If you folks are right about this whole thing, it's a huge, historic story and must be addressed with historic attention, seriousness and care. If it's just a product of your fevered alternate universe, you deserve whatever you get.

Hopefully we'll soon know, once and for all, what actually happened. If anything.
.

You're just getting the drift? Have you always been so slow to get a clue? I bet you rode that funny little short bus to school and went to special education class, huh?

 

[Tehon]

I didn't suggest that the corporate media was independent. That's you trying to draw conclusions.

Bullshit, unless a different Tehon posted "He is trying to silence the watchdog independent media "

You called the little Goebbels of the DNC Corporate media "watchdog independent media "

If you want actual independence try Breitbart, which is perhaps the ONLY honest media left.

Even Fox lied about Obama's cages when the Goebbels decided to blame them on Trump. Breitbart had reported on them in 2014 - indeed the photos were taken by Breitbart, but the DNC Media spiked the story to protect Obama.

Trump is trying to silence the independent media. Wikileaks is independent media. Trump has indicted Assange for disseminating truthful information...

And with that silliness you once again careen offs the rails. Trump has done nothing "to silence the independent media" - unless one is loony enough to consider self- defense an attempt to silence others - and he has indicted NO ONE.

It's clear your seething hatred for the POTUS trumps your rationality.

Julian Assange is under indictment right now. For disseminating factual information.

The problem is that he took information from Bradley Manning that was top secret and resulted in the deaths of hundreds of people, mostly Afghan and Iraqi citizens who cooperated with America and then were murdered BECAUSE of what Assange did.

I want to be sympathetic to Assange, but it is REALLY hard to. When you kill people, it kind of makes you a scumbag.

This is not even about Assange anymore. This is about the first amendment and setting precedents for what the government can get away with. You are on the wrong side of this.

 

[DustyInfinity]

Mac, the left concocted this whole russia collusion lie/hoax. They weren't right and there were no repercussions.

Mac thinks all conservative media is partisan hate. Many like him think Levin and Judicial watch are the same as Maddow. I think it would be fair to point out that even the most partisan, like Hannity, don't have to give many retractions for faulty information. If they do screw up, they actually admit it, something the left is incapable of. It is also telling that conservative media is considered untrue because of the lack of convictions against democrats, despite the fact that democrats are immune to prosecution. It doen't look like the dems, and some republicans, are going to skate on this one. My biggest question is how the media will explain ignoring and participating in the biggest political scandal in our nation's history.

 

[Hiryuu]

I realize that, based on the information presented to you, you have no doubts.

Great.
.

Your doubts are worth about as much as the next person's beliefs.
No matter how much someone doubts or believes something has absolutely nothing to do with whether or not it is true.

So with everyone's doubts and beliefs included for what they are worth, you have about as much invested into it as anyone else, and that resides in the political hackery around your intentions whatever they may be.

 

[Manonthestreet]

Colluders, Obstructionists, Leakers, and Other Projectionists

 

[imawhosure]

So here we go, I guess.

This is no longer going to be some fevered conspiracy story born of one of Mark Levin's fevered hyper-partisan conspiracy books. It's no longer going to be the foundation of President Hannity's hyper-partisan radio and teevee shows, buttressed by the manic "reporting" of his small band of like-minded "investigative reporters" (Out-of-Control Sean Hannity Thumbs His Nose at Fox News Bosses).

It's no longer going to be this alternate-universe "blockbuster" narrative that a relatively small group of people know like the back of their hand, as if they're convinced that "Breaking Bad" or "Game of Thrones" are documentaries.

You're accusing the American government, all the way to the top, of conspiring to spy on and bring down a presidential candidate and an American President. Key players in this accusation include a Special Counsel, a former Director of National Intelligence, a former FBI Director, former Secretary of State and a former President. Not to mention any number of lower-level government conspirators. The Deep State.

Bottom line: If you folks are right about this whole thing, it's a huge, historic story and must be addressed with historic attention, seriousness and care. If it's just a product of your fevered alternate universe, you deserve whatever you get.

Hopefully we'll soon know, once and for all, what actually happened. If anything.
.

They're not. A court ordered investigation is not spying.

Neither is Constitutionally mandated Congressional oversight.

Putting the national security of the United States in jeopardy by exposing operatives and methods IS treason.

Barr and Trump better tread lightly. There is no statute of limitations on treason.

Courts don't order investigations. They approve certain means of gathering evidence. Prosecutors and law enforcement initiate investigations.

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A warrant is a court order, dope.

Oh boy, another commie wanting to play the semantics game. A Judge simply approves a warrant issued by a prosecutor, after reviewing the probable cause presented in the sworn statements supporting it. The Judges signature gives the warrant legitimacy and the force of law. Call that signature anything you want, but the judge is not ordering the investigation, the warrant is a tool used in an existing investigation, initiated by the police or prosecutor, to gather information and evidence. Read the 4th Amendment idiot.

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It's reactionary. It's nationalist.

How is "reactionary" a feature of the right? Few regimes in history are as reactionary as the Kim dynasty or indeed Stalin's empire.

While Fascism indeed makes claim to Nationalism, neither Hitler nor Mussolini could manage to stay within their own borders, so hard to take their claims seriously. But good response.

Mac, the left concocted this whole russia collusion lie/hoax. They weren't right and there were no repercussions.

Yet.

It's reactionary. It's nationalist.

How is "reactionary" a feature of the right? Few regimes in history are as reactionary as the Kim dynasty or indeed Stalin's empire.

While Fascism indeed makes claim to Nationalism, neither Hitler nor Mussolini could manage to stay within their own borders, so hard to take their claims seriously. But good response.

It's right wing reactionary because it rises up to squash social change. European fascism rose up to stop socialism.

Let me tell you guys something---------------> this investigation done on Trump, was nothing new, honest!

FDR was shady! JFK gave Ben Bradly of Newsweek IRS files to help screw corporations. LBJ had the FBI bug his OWN CONVENTION, to find out who was loyal, and who was not. Obama was eavesdropping on journalists, and we all know what he did with the IRS. And we all know the story of Nixon!

Where this investigation was different was--------------->while yes it was the overwhelming power of the government to tip the scales of an election, one way or the other...……..AFTER the election, they tried to use facts, and made up facts garnered during said investigation, to bring a duly elected President down! To the best of all our knowledge, nothing like that was ever tried before.

CONSIDER----------->They were basically, after the fact...………….disenfranchise 63 million voters on a lie, that they KNEW was a lie! Talk about the BIGGEST example of voter suppression in history, and here we have it!

I am here to suggest to you, that if ANY of the EXPERIENCED politicians that ran for the GOP nomination had won, this would NEVER have happened; as far as them continuing to try and push this hoax. Experienced politicians, know the machinations of Washington, and NEVER would have allowed this to happen. Of course, they too would have slid the spying scandal previous to the election under the carpet, and traded it off for a piece of signature legislation they wanted passed.

But, when Trump got elected, he came to town with Jared, Ivanka, Don Trump Jr, and Eric. They had no idea what the hell was going on, and some people seen this as an opportunity to change the course of history; in their favor of course. They slow walked almost EVERY NOMINATION he put up, to keep him isolated from politically savvy people. To THIS DAY, they continue to do it...……….the least amount of confirmations, of ANY Administration.

The whole idea appeared to be------------->he is a rookie, and not only can we skate on our spying while not having to pay a price, but we can get rid of this guy too at the same time!

I want EVERYONE reading this post, to understand 2 very important things that happened, that CAUSED THIS, and the 2nd that will SOLVE this.

1. Jeff Sessions. He was NOT the right guy, and when he recused himself, that let these people run WILD!

2. Bill Barr, who history will show basically saved the Trump Presidency, and buried the former Administrations people on what they had done.

In closing, let me state that we elected Trump for what we thought he COULD do, and what he promised to do. We were unaware of what he could NOT do, and that is protect himself from the Washington crooks. Trump did not know it either.

And so, whatever President Trump does for you/us going forward through his 1st term, and if he is elected to a second, always remember------------->after you thank President Trump, remember to thank AG Bill Barr, for without him and his gonads of steel, there would be no INVESTIGATION into the INVESTIGATORS, and all you would STILL be hearing is the propaganda of HE STILL COLLUDED. He would absolutely NOT have gotten a 2nd term, and his 1st term his hands were tied with this hoax, causing massive negative public opinion.

And so, since I am 100% positive that someone in our government monitors this, and all political sites, let me be one of the few, so far, to …………………………………………...

Thank AG Barr, for preserving 63 million of our votes, and proving shortly, how poisonous Washington really, really, is. History will show your actions as that of a patriot!

May the God you worship, Bless you sir!

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

So here we go, I guess.

This is no longer going to be some fevered conspiracy story born of one of Mark Levin's fevered hyper-partisan conspiracy books. It's no longer going to be the foundation of President Hannity's hyper-partisan radio and teevee shows, buttressed by the manic "reporting" of his small band of like-minded "investigative reporters" (Out-of-Control Sean Hannity Thumbs His Nose at Fox News Bosses).

It's no longer going to be this alternate-universe "blockbuster" narrative that a relatively small group of people know like the back of their hand, as if they're convinced that "Breaking Bad" or "Game of Thrones" are documentaries.

You're accusing the American government, all the way to the top, of conspiring to spy on and bring down a presidential candidate and an American President. Key players in this accusation include a Special Counsel, a former Director of National Intelligence, a former FBI Director, former Secretary of State and a former President. Not to mention any number of lower-level government conspirators. The Deep State.

Bottom line: If you folks are right about this whole thing, it's a huge, historic story and must be addressed with historic attention, seriousness and care. If it's just a product of your fevered alternate universe, you deserve whatever you get.

Hopefully we'll soon know, once and for all, what actually happened. If anything.
.

As if itmatters....conspiracy nutters are not swayed by evidence or lack of it.

 

[SAYIT]

No … for violating the Computer Fraud and Abuse Act.

That was the first set of indictments. The new set of indictments is for disseminating information. Assange is looking at 175 yrs if sentenced to the max. Oh yeah, and the Trump administration branded him a terrorist to boot. Are you going to get your nose out of Trumps ass and stand up for the constitution?

Trump indicted NO ONE. Are you gonna stop LYING any time soon?

The problem is that he took information from Bradley Manning that was top secret and resulted in the deaths of hundreds of people, mostly Afghan and Iraqi citizens who cooperated with America and then were murdered BECAUSE of what Assange did...

This is not even about Assange anymore. This is about the first amendment and setting precedents for what the government can get away with...

You mean like producing a phony dossier and having high-ranking US officials use it to justify a 2 yr $35 million witch-hunt?

 

[Mac1958]

absolutely.....go far right enough, and you'll end up on the left

...go far enough left and you'll end up on the right and as Mac noted, the R/L extremes have way more in common with each other than they with rational people.

The Horseshoe Theory Says Right And Left Wing Are More Similar Than You Think

Again, assumes the Big Lie.

Once you take off the blinders of the big lie and accept that Fascism IS socialism and sits on the far left, then you no longer have to fabricate absurd contortions to explain the glaring contradictions of the big lie.

Name ONE THING "right wing" about fascism? A dedication to individualism? Hardly? Support of market economies? Dedication to civil rights? Not exactly.

I get that you are invested in the big lie and are reluctant to let it go, so defend the big lie, tell us how Bolshevik Benito Mussolini, leader of the Italian Communist party, who went to prison in Switzerland for inciting a general strike on behalf of his boss, Lenin, was a "conservative?"

And, right on cue.
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OK Mac, you need to start a new thread.

Why?

Because you need ask the people on this board, who/whom in congress they consider FAR right, or FAR Left. I think you will be surprised to find--------------->that people on the right, only consider very few Democrats far Left in congress, problem is, they are the ones in control of the party.

I betcha that unless they read this post, every person leaning Left on this board, will consider 85% of the GOP hard right. Is that what you would say if asked?

It would be a fascinating study on how both sides view each other, and here is the kicker, and YOU will figure it out quickly----------------->the further right/left you are, the further the moderates from both party's in congress, appear waaaaaaaay out there, if they are the opposition, lol.

And remember, it isn't that someone doesn't LIKE them, or think they are sleezy, but rather-------------->who/whom in the opposing party in congress politics are to far, Left or Right!

Fascinating, absolutely fascinating!

I would imagine that, in such a thread, each end of the spectrum would consider themselves mainstream.

The reason is that each end is intellectually encased in their own ideology, and have over time developed a distorted view of anything outside their ideology.

I think a more interesting thread would be to challenge each end of the spectrum to present an honest, sincere, accurate argument for the positions of the other side.

Let's see how close each end comes to truly understanding the positions of the other.

What do you think that thread would look like? I think it would be an absolute farce from the first response on.
.

 

[Mac1958]

A "moderate" is like the muslim who hold the victim to get the head cut off. Then says, "I am moderate, I never chopped any head off".

Moderates and independents can think for ourselves, which is why wingers dislike us so much.

We expose wingers for what they are. No WONDER they get angry.
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[Mac1958]

So here we go, I guess.

This is no longer going to be some fevered conspiracy story born of one of Mark Levin's fevered hyper-partisan conspiracy books. It's no longer going to be the foundation of President Hannity's hyper-partisan radio and teevee shows, buttressed by the manic "reporting" of his small band of like-minded "investigative reporters" (Out-of-Control Sean Hannity Thumbs His Nose at Fox News Bosses).

It's no longer going to be this alternate-universe "blockbuster" narrative that a relatively small group of people know like the back of their hand, as if they're convinced that "Breaking Bad" or "Game of Thrones" are documentaries.

You're accusing the American government, all the way to the top, of conspiring to spy on and bring down a presidential candidate and an American President. Key players in this accusation include a Special Counsel, a former Director of National Intelligence, a former FBI Director, former Secretary of State and a former President. Not to mention any number of lower-level government conspirators. The Deep State.

Bottom line: If you folks are right about this whole thing, it's a huge, historic story and must be addressed with historic attention, seriousness and care. If it's just a product of your fevered alternate universe, you deserve whatever you get.

Hopefully we'll soon know, once and for all, what actually happened. If anything.
.

You're just getting the drift? Have you always been so slow to get a clue? I bet you rode that funny little short bus to school and went to special education class, huh?

Impressive.
.

 

[SAYIT]

...go far enough left and you'll end up on the right and as Mac noted, the R/L extremes have way more in common with each other than they with rational people.

The Horseshoe Theory Says Right And Left Wing Are More Similar Than You Think

The extremes are much closer together these days than the horseshoe. In fact, they can easily reach across the divide and shake hands.

Again, assumes the Big Lie.

Once you take off the blinders of the big lie and accept that Fascism IS socialism and sits on the far left, then you no longer have to fabricate absurd contortions to explain the glaring contradictions of the big lie.

Name ONE THING "right wing" about fascism? A dedication to individualism? Hardly? Support of market economies? Dedication to civil rights? Not exactly.

I get that you are invested in the big lie and are reluctant to let it go, so defend the big lie, tell us how Bolshevik Benito Mussolini, leader of the Italian Communist party, who went to prison in Switzerland for inciting a general strike on behalf of his boss, Lenin, was a "conservative?"

And, right on cue.
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OK Mac, you need to start a new thread.

Why?

Because you need ask the people on this board, who/whom in congress they consider FAR right, or FAR Left. I think you will be surprised to find--------------->that people on the right, only consider very few Democrats far Left in congress, problem is, they are the ones in control of the party.

I betcha that unless they read this post, every person leaning Left on this board, will consider 85% of the GOP hard right. Is that what you would say if asked?

It would be a fascinating study on how both sides view each other, and here is the kicker, and YOU will figure it out quickly----------------->the further right/left you are, the further the moderates from both party's in congress, appear waaaaaaaay out there, if they are the opposition, lol.

And remember, it isn't that someone doesn't LIKE them, or think they are sleezy, but rather-------------->who/whom in the opposing party in congress politics are to far, Left or Right!

Fascinating, absolutely fascinating!

I would imagine that, in such a thread, each end of the spectrum would consider themselves mainstream.

The reason is that each end is intellectually encased in their own ideology, and have over time developed a distorted view of anything outside their ideology.

I think a more interesting thread would be to challenge each end of the spectrum to present an honest, sincere, accurate argument for the positions of the other side.

Let's see how close each end comes to truly understanding the positions of the other.

What do you think that thread would look like? I think it would be an absolute farce from the first response on.
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What they all look like except the extremists would post the other's most extreme POVs while denying that what is said about their own POV is true.