The right to work

[Iowa10000]

Yeah I know how that goes, they used to come to me with shit like that, this guy was seen doing this or that and when I pinned them dow to who saw it, they would say that isn't important. Well I would look them in the eye and say to them that if you can't put a name to it then it didn't happen. Then I would go on with my duties.

 

[Ringel05]

The premise of the question in the OP is rediculous.

As for whether or not Unions care about non-union workers I can only re-post and point to the facts.

Unions benefit all of America’s workers and strengthen our communities.

Unions today:

Reinforce the middle class and lift up America’s communities. States with higher rates of unionization have lower rates of poverty, crime, and failing schools.

Benefit local economic development. In partnerships with employers, community organizations, and local governments, unions have helped revitalize local economies by saving and expanding family-supporting jobs.

Raise wages for all workers. Studies show that a large union presence in an industry or region can raise wages even for non-union workers.

Fight for all workers’ health and safety. In 2008 the AFL-CIO and the United Food and Commercial Workers sued to get employers to provide personal protective equipment. Now, workers in hazardous jobs which require safety gear—like hard hats or protective glasses—must be provided this equipment, instead of being asked to buy it themselves.

Advocate for increases in the minimum wage and push for living wage ordinances. Unions have been instrumental in efforts to increase the federal minimum wage, state minimum wages and in the successful living wage movement which has already resulted in over 150 local living wage laws nationwide.

Reduce wage inequality. Unions raise wages the most for low- and middle-wage workers and workers without college degrees.

Interesting but no links, no proof.
BTW some of the above I agree with to a point, the rest (I personally know) is mostly "resume padding" and not completely true so show your proof.

At least you seem like a truthful person. Pick out any of the above you disagree with and we'll discuss it. Here are some links for you to peruse....

How unions help all workers

Report finds unions help all workers (If you're Catholic)

http://www.workinglife.org/wiki/Uni...ing+All+Workers,+Study+Finds+(October+7,+2003)

American Rights at Work - Unions Making a Difference for Everyone

Is this enough links for you?

Well EPI is definitely going to find those results, that's a no brainer and where the vast majority of your info comes from. It's unfortunate because it's primary funding sources and mission leave it's neutrality on this issue potentially highly suspect. Your sources are organisations that can potentially suffer harm if any negative information concerning unions are openly reported and acknowledged.
Now don't get this wrong, the same can be said concerning right wing economic think tanks. The truth doesn't completely lie with either or but is found somewhere in the middle.

 

[daveman]

Not when they're lies. Suppose I disagreed with you by telling you thatI took your silly poll and cast a vote. Are you saying that wouldn't be lying?

But that's not what happened, is it?

Yeah a real ***** when people actually stand up to all powerfull authority that wants to set all the rules, make all the decisions and be responsible for nothing but profits. Really poor of people to ban together to better themselves and make life good for others, where do you get that right.
You know you should be dam happy to have a job and if they don't want you around and chose to put someone, a family menber or a friend in your place what right do you have to ***** about it.

hey I work hard and if I can suck up and make a case for me to take your job, there isn't any reason that shouldn't happen, besides my brother is playing ball with the owners kids. They own the company's and you invest nothing, so why should you benefit from the success, your just a tool.

How dare you think that your entitled to workers rights.

No, daveman would rather take it up the ass by the company. I'm guessing that he's probably the type to hide behind corners and spy on his fellow workers and reports their activities to the boss.

Odd...that sounds more like union behavior. You know, informing on your fellow citizens for the good of the collective.

 

[DaGoose]

Not when they're lies. Suppose I disagreed with you by telling you thatI took your silly poll and cast a vote. Are you saying that wouldn't be lying?

But that's not what happened, is it?

No from me anyway. But you?

Yeah a real ***** when people actually stand up to all powerfull authority that wants to set all the rules, make all the decisions and be responsible for nothing but profits. Really poor of people to ban together to better themselves and make life good for others, where do you get that right.
You know you should be dam happy to have a job and if they don't want you around and chose to put someone, a family menber or a friend in your place what right do you have to ***** about it.

hey I work hard and if I can suck up and make a case for me to take your job, there isn't any reason that shouldn't happen, besides my brother is playing ball with the owners kids. They own the company's and you invest nothing, so why should you benefit from the success, your just a tool.

How dare you think that your entitled to workers rights.

No, daveman would rather take it up the ass by the company. I'm guessing that he's probably the type to hide behind corners and spy on his fellow workers and reports their activities to the boss.

Odd...that sounds more like union behavior. You know, informing on your fellow citizens for the good of the collective.

There's probably around 1 union worker out of 10 workers. Sorry you feel so threatened. But really, you didn't have to try and lie your way out of the hole you dug yourself.

 

[daveman]

Not when they're lies. Suppose I disagreed with you by telling you thatI took your silly poll and cast a vote. Are you saying that wouldn't be lying?

But that's not what happened, is it?

No from me anyway. But you?

No, daveman would rather take it up the ass by the company. I'm guessing that he's probably the type to hide behind corners and spy on his fellow workers and reports their activities to the boss.

Odd...that sounds more like union behavior. You know, informing on your fellow citizens for the good of the collective.

There's probably around 1 union worker out of 10 workers.

That's because most workers don't need their hands held like you do, Cupcake.

Sorry you feel so threatened.

You lack the horsepower, Tough Boi.

But really, you didn't have to try and lie your way out of the hole you dug yourself.

You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means. Dumbass.

 

[Retread Ol' 37]

On another thread, I asked a leftist union drone:

Who has a greater right to work -- an American non-union member, or an illegal alien union member?

He refused to answer, so that made his views pretty clear. Let's see how USMB feels about it.

Interesting and utterly false dichotomy. How often do labor unions intentionally recruit illegals, and rather, how often do illegals bother paying union dues and applying to union shops?

 

[DaGoose]

But that's not what happened, is it?

No from me anyway. But you?


Odd...that sounds more like union behavior. You know, informing on your fellow citizens for the good of the collective.

There's probably around 1 union worker out of 10 workers.

That's because most workers don't need their hands held like you do, Cupcake.

Sorry you feel so threatened.

You lack the horsepower, Tough Boi.

But really, you didn't have to try and lie your way out of the hole you dug yourself.

You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means. Dumbass.

Hmmm....talking about holding my hand and calling me pet names like "boi" and "cupcake". Next thing you know you'll be wanting to do this to me.....

 

[daveman]

On another thread, I asked a leftist union drone:

Who has a greater right to work -- an American non-union member, or an illegal alien union member?

He refused to answer, so that made his views pretty clear. Let's see how USMB feels about it.

Interesting and utterly false dichotomy. How often do labor unions intentionally recruit illegals, and rather, how often do illegals bother paying union dues and applying to union shops?

No, it's not a false dichotomy. The SEIU has admitted they have illegals as members.

You think the unions care about workers? They just want the dues.

 

[daveman]

There's probably around 1 union worker out of 10 workers.

That's because most workers don't need their hands held like you do, Cupcake.

You lack the horsepower, Tough Boi.

But really, you didn't have to try and lie your way out of the hole you dug yourself.

You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means. Dumbass.

Hmmm....talking about holding my hand and calling me pet names like "boi" and "cupcake". Next thing you know you'll be wanting to do this to me.....

Oh, look. Another leftist using homosexuality as an insult. Gasp.

 

[DaGoose]

That's because most workers don't need their hands held like you do, Cupcake.

You lack the horsepower, Tough Boi.

You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means. Dumbass.

Hmmm....talking about holding my hand and calling me pet names like "boi" and "cupcake". Next thing you know you'll be wanting to do this to me.....

Oh, look. Another leftist using homosexuality as an insult. Gasp.

Ya...I know. I should be more sensitive to your feelings.

 

[teapartysamurai]

On another thread, I asked a leftist union drone:

Who has a greater right to work -- an American non-union member, or an illegal alien union member?

He refused to answer, so that made his views pretty clear. Let's see how USMB feels about it.

Interesting and utterly false dichotomy. How often do labor unions intentionally recruit illegals, and rather, how often do illegals bother paying union dues and applying to union shops?

What on earth does that have to do with the question? Nothing! It's just a lame deflection.

The point being should AMERICANS have more of a right to work, than an illegal depending on thier union/non-union status?

It says a lot when a union member won't answer that question.

That's why all states should be right to work.

It's wrong to forced to join a union to work in certain trades.

The unions claim they are there FOR the workers, but if you are FORCED to join a union, is it really for the worker's benefit?

Why should ANYONE in a free country be forced to join ANYTHING?

If you were forced to join a political party, or a church, or even your local PTA, the liberals would HOWL oppression.

But it's okay to be FORCED to join a union to work in certain trades?

That's not America, land of the free. That's not free enterprise, or even capitalism.

THAT'S SOCIALISM.

I find it funny liberals are all about CHOICE when it comes to killing your kids, but giving you a choice on whether or not to join the union(if you want to work in a certain trade)? THAT'S DIFFERENT!

It really tells you all you need to know about liberals, especially the union fascist type liberals.

 

[DaGoose]

On another thread, I asked a leftist union drone:

Who has a greater right to work -- an American non-union member, or an illegal alien union member?

He refused to answer, so that made his views pretty clear. Let's see how USMB feels about it.

Interesting and utterly false dichotomy. How often do labor unions intentionally recruit illegals, and rather, how often do illegals bother paying union dues and applying to union shops?

What on earth does that have to do with the question? Nothing! It's just a lame deflection.

The point being should AMERICANS have more of a right to work, than an illegal depending on thier union/non-union status?

It says a lot when a union member won't answer that question.

That's why all states should be right to work.

It's wrong to forced to join a union to work in certain trades.

The unions claim they are there FOR the workers, but if you are FORCED to join a union, is it really for the worker's benefit?

Why should ANYONE in a free country be forced to join ANYTHING?

If you were forced to join a political party, or a church, or even your local PTA, the liberals would HOWL oppression.

But it's okay to be FORCED to join a union to work in certain trades?

That's not America, land of the free. That's not free enterprise, or even capitalism.

THAT'S SOCIALISM.

I find it funny liberals are all about CHOICE when it comes to killing your kids, but giving you a choice on whether or not to join the union(if you want to work in a certain trade)? THAT'S DIFFERENT!

It really tells you all you need to know about liberals, especially the union fascist type liberals.

Uhhhh....nobody ever said an illegal alien has a right to work over an American.

As for the rest of your rediculous post you certainly have a choice. If you don't want to work in a union shop then just walk your ass down the road to another place to work.

There are both Union and Non-Union trades in EVERY state so try to get a clue of what your talking about before you make a fool of yourself again.

Lastly.......

I find it funny NEO-Conservatives are all about forcing THEIR morals on women when it comes to abortion. Unless they are the woman or her doctor they need to just stay the **** out of it and shut their pie-holes. They don't give two shits about kids AFTER their born so you can spare us the FALSE outrage.

 

[mdn2000]

Interesting and utterly false dichotomy. How often do labor unions intentionally recruit illegals, and rather, how often do illegals bother paying union dues and applying to union shops?

What on earth does that have to do with the question? Nothing! It's just a lame deflection.

The point being should AMERICANS have more of a right to work, than an illegal depending on thier union/non-union status?

It says a lot when a union member won't answer that question.

That's why all states should be right to work.

It's wrong to forced to join a union to work in certain trades.

The unions claim they are there FOR the workers, but if you are FORCED to join a union, is it really for the worker's benefit?

Why should ANYONE in a free country be forced to join ANYTHING?

If you were forced to join a political party, or a church, or even your local PTA, the liberals would HOWL oppression.

But it's okay to be FORCED to join a union to work in certain trades?

That's not America, land of the free. That's not free enterprise, or even capitalism.

THAT'S SOCIALISM.

I find it funny liberals are all about CHOICE when it comes to killing your kids, but giving you a choice on whether or not to join the union(if you want to work in a certain trade)? THAT'S DIFFERENT!

It really tells you all you need to know about liberals, especially the union fascist type liberals.

Uhhhh....nobody ever said an illegal alien has a right to work over an American.

As for the rest of your rediculous post you certainly have a choice. If you don't want to work in a union shop then just walk your ass down the road to another place to work.

There are both Union and Non-Union trades in EVERY state so try to get a clue of what your talking about before you make a fool of yourself again.

Lastly.......

I find it funny NEO-Conservatives are all about forcing THEIR morals on women when it comes to abortion. Unless they are the woman or her doctor they need to just stay the **** out of it and shut their pie-holes. They don't give two shits about kids AFTER their born so you can spare us the FALSE outrage.

In Michigan to be in Roofing you must be Union, there are some scab shops but they cannot get big contracts, big contracts are the only way to make a living.

In Michigan you cannot even bid on government contracts unless your union, its the law.

Hoffa disappeared in Michigan.

 

[DaGoose]

What on earth does that have to do with the question? Nothing! It's just a lame deflection.

The point being should AMERICANS have more of a right to work, than an illegal depending on thier union/non-union status?

It says a lot when a union member won't answer that question.

That's why all states should be right to work.

It's wrong to forced to join a union to work in certain trades.

The unions claim they are there FOR the workers, but if you are FORCED to join a union, is it really for the worker's benefit?

Why should ANYONE in a free country be forced to join ANYTHING?

If you were forced to join a political party, or a church, or even your local PTA, the liberals would HOWL oppression.

But it's okay to be FORCED to join a union to work in certain trades?

That's not America, land of the free. That's not free enterprise, or even capitalism.

THAT'S SOCIALISM.

I find it funny liberals are all about CHOICE when it comes to killing your kids, but giving you a choice on whether or not to join the union(if you want to work in a certain trade)? THAT'S DIFFERENT!

It really tells you all you need to know about liberals, especially the union fascist type liberals.

Uhhhh....nobody ever said an illegal alien has a right to work over an American.

As for the rest of your rediculous post you certainly have a choice. If you don't want to work in a union shop then just walk your ass down the road to another place to work.

There are both Union and Non-Union trades in EVERY state so try to get a clue of what your talking about before you make a fool of yourself again.

Lastly.......

I find it funny NEO-Conservatives are all about forcing THEIR morals on women when it comes to abortion. Unless they are the woman or her doctor they need to just stay the **** out of it and shut their pie-holes. They don't give two shits about kids AFTER their born so you can spare us the FALSE outrage.

In Michigan to be in Roofing you must be Union, there are some scab shops but they cannot get big contracts, big contracts are the only way to make a living.

In Michigan you cannot even bid on government contracts unless your union, its the law.

Hoffa disappeared in Michigan.

Can you link that Michigan law? I know that Michigan has a prevailing wage rate law but that doesn't prevent non-union contractors from bidding.

Reagan went to college in Illinois.

 

[Retread Ol' 37]

On another thread, I asked a leftist union drone:

Who has a greater right to work -- an American non-union member, or an illegal alien union member?

He refused to answer, so that made his views pretty clear. Let's see how USMB feels about it.

Interesting and utterly false dichotomy. How often do labor unions intentionally recruit illegals, and rather, how often do illegals bother paying union dues and applying to union shops?

No, it's not a false dichotomy. The SEIU has admitted they have illegals as members.

You think the unions care about workers? They just want the dues.

Well you must forgive me for not easily believing that illegal aliens would pay union dues, but that said, to answer your question, no, I don't think union membership should mean anything if they do not have a legal right to work in the United States, whether that's through citizenship or a valid green card.

 

[daveman]

Hmmm....talking about holding my hand and calling me pet names like "boi" and "cupcake". Next thing you know you'll be wanting to do this to me.....

Oh, look. Another leftist using homosexuality as an insult. Gasp.

Ya...I know. I should be more sensitive to your feelings.

Careful -- any minute now, your fellow leftists will come along and condemn your homophobia.

And minute now...

 

[daveman]

Uhhhh....nobody ever said an illegal alien has a right to work over an American.

As for the rest of your rediculous post you certainly have a choice. If you don't want to work in a union shop then just walk your ass down the road to another place to work.

There are both Union and Non-Union trades in EVERY state so try to get a clue of what your talking about before you make a fool of yourself again.

Lastly.......

I find it funny NEO-Conservatives are all about forcing THEIR morals on women when it comes to abortion. Unless they are the woman or her doctor they need to just stay the **** out of it and shut their pie-holes. They don't give two shits about kids AFTER their born so you can spare us the FALSE outrage.

In Michigan to be in Roofing you must be Union, there are some scab shops but they cannot get big contracts, big contracts are the only way to make a living.

In Michigan you cannot even bid on government contracts unless your union, its the law.

Hoffa disappeared in Michigan.

Can you link that Michigan law? I know that Michigan has a prevailing wage rate law but that doesn't prevent non-union contractors from bidding.

Reagan went to college in Illinois.

Here's an executive order: Obama administration hands down rule limiting contract bidding to union shops | The Daily Caller - Breaking News, Opinion, Research, and Entertainment

More Democrat payback to special interest groups.

 

[daveman]

Interesting and utterly false dichotomy. How often do labor unions intentionally recruit illegals, and rather, how often do illegals bother paying union dues and applying to union shops?

No, it's not a false dichotomy. The SEIU has admitted they have illegals as members.

You think the unions care about workers? They just want the dues.

Well you must forgive me for not easily believing that illegal aliens would pay union dues, but that said, to answer your question, no, I don't think union membership should mean anything if they do not have a legal right to work in the United States, whether that's through citizenship or a valid green card.

 

[DaGoose]

In Michigan to be in Roofing you must be Union, there are some scab shops but they cannot get big contracts, big contracts are the only way to make a living.

In Michigan you cannot even bid on government contracts unless your union, its the law.

Hoffa disappeared in Michigan.

Can you link that Michigan law? I know that Michigan has a prevailing wage rate law but that doesn't prevent non-union contractors from bidding.

Reagan went to college in Illinois.

Here's an executive order: Obama administration hands down rule limiting contract bidding to union shops | The Daily Caller - Breaking News, Opinion, Research, and Entertainment

More Democrat payback to special interest groups.

Hmmmm....I didn't see where that was a MICHIGAN LAW but never mind.

That's called "political spoils" and every POTUS has used them for payback. And it's NOT a law. It's an Executive Order. There's a big difference. Laws are made in Congress and signed by the POTUS.

Your hero, George W Bush (You know, the one who got thousands of our kids killed FOR NO GOOD REASON?) used it to award a no bid contract to his and Cheney's pals at Haliburton. He also used it to keep the thugs at the TSA from organizing.

And yet here's another argument that I've decimated. But please, keep throwing them at me. I'm sure you're learning a lot about Unions that's shattering your long held incorrect beliefs.

 

[DaGoose]

No, it's not a false dichotomy. The SEIU has admitted they have illegals as members.

You think the unions care about workers? They just want the dues.

Well you must forgive me for not easily believing that illegal aliens would pay union dues, but that said, to answer your question, no, I don't think union membership should mean anything if they do not have a legal right to work in the United States, whether that's through citizenship or a valid green card.

Boy, retread. You're lucky. I've explained that to him at least three or four times and I never got a beer!!