The revisionist view of Iranian history that libs are sure to hate
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JoeB131
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What a load of crap revisionist history.
The problem with this is that before 1953, the Shah was a constitutional monarch.
Parliment elected the PM.
Yes, Mossaddegh called for dissolving parliment and holding new elections. But the fact was that the CIA and BP orchestrated the coup that made the Shah an absolute monarch instead of a constituitonal one.
And he ran the country badly, enriching himself and his cronies.
Now, here's the real story.
Mohammad Mosaddegh - Wikipedia
In March 1953, Secretary of State John Foster Dulles directed the CIA, which was headed by his younger brother Allen Dulles, to draft plans to overthrow Mosaddegh.<a href="Mohammad Mosaddegh - Wikipedia"><span>[</span>81<span>]</span></a> On 4 April 1953, Dulles approved $1 million to be used "in any way that would bring about the fall of Mosaddegh". Soon the CIA's Tehran station started to launch a propaganda campaign against Mosaddegh.
According to The New York Times, in early June, American and British intelligence officials met again, this time in Beirut, and put the finishing touches on the strategy. Soon afterward, according to his later published accounts, the chief of the CIA's Near East and Africa division, Kermit Roosevelt, Jr. the grandson of US President Theodore Roosevelt, arrived in Tehran to direct it. In 2000, The New York Times partially published a leaked CIA document titled Clandestine Service History – Overthrow of Premier Mosaddegh of Iran – November 1952 – August 1953.
The plot, known as Operation Ajax, centered on convincing Iran's monarch to issue a decree to dismiss Mosaddegh from office, as he had attempted some months earlier. But the Shah was terrified to attempt such a risky move against Mosaddegh. It would take several meetings with American officials, one of which included bribing his sister Ashraf with a mink coat and money, to successfully change his mind.
Mosaddegh became aware of the plots against him and grew increasingly wary of conspirators acting within his government. According to Donald Wilber, who was involved in the plot to remove Mosaddegh from power, in early August, Iranian CIA operatives pretending to be socialists and nationalists threatened Muslim leaders with "savage punishment if they opposed Mosaddegh", thereby giving the impression that Mosaddegh was cracking down on dissent earlier than planned, and stirring anti-Mosaddegh sentiments within the religious community.<a
A referendum to dissolve parliament and give the prime minister power to make law was submitted to voters, and it passed with 99 per cent approval, 2,043,300 votes to 1,300 votes against.<a According to historian Mark Gasiorowski, "There were separate polling stations for yes and no votes, producing sharp criticism of Mosaddegh" and that the "controversial referendum...gave the CIA's precoup propaganda campaign to show up Mosaddegh as an anti-democratic dictator an easy target".<a On or around 16 August, Parliament was suspended indefinitely, and Mosaddegh's emergency powers were extended.
Declassified documents released by the CIA in 2017 revealed that—after the Shah had fled to Italy—CIA headquarters believed the coup to have failed. Following the initial failed coup by the foreign-backed General Fazlollah Zahedi, the CIA sent Roosevelt a telegram on 18 August 1953 telling him to flee Iran immediately, but Roosevelt ignored it and began work on the second coup, circulating a false account that Mosaddegh attempted to seize the throne and bribed Iranian agents
The Shah finally agreed to Mosaddegh's overthrow after Roosevelt said that the United States would proceed with or without him, and formally dismissed the prime minister in a written decree, an act that had been made part of the constitution during the Constitutional Assembly of 1949, convened under martial law, at which time the power of the monarchy was increased in various ways by the Shah himself.
As a precautionary measure, he flew to Baghdad and from there hid safely in Rome. He signed two decrees, one dismissing Mosaddegh and the other nominating the CIA's choice, General Zahedi, as Prime Minister. These decrees, called Farmāns, played a major role in giving legitimacy to the coup, and were further spread by CIA officials.
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The book on the Dulles brothers discussed this event
The two books on the CIA discuss this event
luiza
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Does it matter ?
Because back in the real world the huge outside consensus is that as expected Iran is winning its fight with the Zionist Terrorists and that Trumpfy has badly lost control over any narrative other than dropping bombs as something to do .
Meanwhile the valiant Hooty Tooty Freedom Fighters have control over the world's economy by blocking Hormuz and Tehran is steadily flattening Israel with US bases right across the ME in ruins .
A few Oreshniks and /or Cluster warhead missiles on Israel's five de-salination plants should just about wrap up immediate matters nicely .
How much longer can the American braggarts shout out their nonsense without being laughed at throughout their imminent bankruptcy proceedings ?
Will Trumpfy win this year's award for funniest stand-up comedian?
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Because back in the real world the huge outside consensus is that as expected Iran is winning its fight with the Zionist Terrorists and that Trumpfy has badly lost control over any narrative other than dropping bombs as something to do .
Meanwhile the valiant Hooty Tooty Freedom Fighters have control over the world's economy by blocking Hormuz and Tehran is steadily flattening Israel with US bases right across the ME in ruins .
A few Oreshniks and /or Cluster warhead missiles on Israel's five de-salination plants should just about wrap up immediate matters nicely .
How much longer can the American braggarts shout out their nonsense without being laughed at throughout their imminent bankruptcy proceedings ?
Will Trumpfy win this year's award for funniest stand-up comedian?
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JoeB131
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The untold story about the 1953 Coup is how the CIA used the Clergy to help oust Mossadegh.
And as the Shah purged every faction that could have formed a sensible Republican government, the Ayatollahs were the only guys left standing that opposition could gather around when the Shah proved too inept and corrupt to deal with the country's problems.
And as the Shah purged every faction that could have formed a sensible Republican government, the Ayatollahs were the only guys left standing that opposition could gather around when the Shah proved too inept and corrupt to deal with the country's problems.
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You are the victim of false history, not meWhat a load of crap revisionist history.
The problem with this is that before 1953, the Shah was a constitutional monarch.
Parliment elected the PM.
Yes, Mossaddegh called for dissolving parliment and holding new elections. But the fact was that the CIA and BP orchestrated the coup that made the Shah an absolute monarch instead of a constituitonal one.
And he ran the country badly, enriching himself and his cronies.
Now, here's the real story.
Mohammad Mosaddegh - Wikipedia
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In March 1953, Secretary of State John Foster Dulles directed the CIA, which was headed by his younger brother Allen Dulles, to draft plans to overthrow Mosaddegh.<a href="Mohammad Mosaddegh - Wikipedia"><span>[</span>81<span>]</span></a> On 4 April 1953, Dulles approved $1 million to be used "in any way that would bring about the fall of Mosaddegh". Soon the CIA's Tehran station started to launch a propaganda campaign against Mosaddegh.
According to The New York Times, in early June, American and British intelligence officials met again, this time in Beirut, and put the finishing touches on the strategy. Soon afterward, according to his later published accounts, the chief of the CIA's Near East and Africa division, Kermit Roosevelt, Jr. the grandson of US President Theodore Roosevelt, arrived in Tehran to direct it. In 2000, The New York Times partially published a leaked CIA document titled Clandestine Service History – Overthrow of Premier Mosaddegh of Iran – November 1952 – August 1953.
The plot, known as Operation Ajax, centered on convincing Iran's monarch to issue a decree to dismiss Mosaddegh from office, as he had attempted some months earlier. But the Shah was terrified to attempt such a risky move against Mosaddegh. It would take several meetings with American officials, one of which included bribing his sister Ashraf with a mink coat and money, to successfully change his mind.
Mosaddegh became aware of the plots against him and grew increasingly wary of conspirators acting within his government. According to Donald Wilber, who was involved in the plot to remove Mosaddegh from power, in early August, Iranian CIA operatives pretending to be socialists and nationalists threatened Muslim leaders with "savage punishment if they opposed Mosaddegh", thereby giving the impression that Mosaddegh was cracking down on dissent earlier than planned, and stirring anti-Mosaddegh sentiments within the religious community.<a
A referendum to dissolve parliament and give the prime minister power to make law was submitted to voters, and it passed with 99 per cent approval, 2,043,300 votes to 1,300 votes against.<a According to historian Mark Gasiorowski, "There were separate polling stations for yes and no votes, producing sharp criticism of Mosaddegh" and that the "controversial referendum...gave the CIA's precoup propaganda campaign to show up Mosaddegh as an anti-democratic dictator an easy target".<a On or around 16 August, Parliament was suspended indefinitely, and Mosaddegh's emergency powers were extended.
Declassified documents released by the CIA in 2017 revealed that—after the Shah had fled to Italy—CIA headquarters believed the coup to have failed. Following the initial failed coup by the foreign-backed General Fazlollah Zahedi, the CIA sent Roosevelt a telegram on 18 August 1953 telling him to flee Iran immediately, but Roosevelt ignored it and began work on the second coup, circulating a false account that Mosaddegh attempted to seize the throne and bribed Iranian agents
The Shah finally agreed to Mosaddegh's overthrow after Roosevelt said that the United States would proceed with or without him, and formally dismissed the prime minister in a written decree, an act that had been made part of the constitution during the Constitutional Assembly of 1949, convened under martial law, at which time the power of the monarchy was increased in various ways by the Shah himself.
As a precautionary measure, he flew to Baghdad and from there hid safely in Rome. He signed two decrees, one dismissing Mosaddegh and the other nominating the CIA's choice, General Zahedi, as Prime Minister. These decrees, called Farmāns, played a major role in giving legitimacy to the coup, and were further spread by CIA officials.
In 1953, both before and after, the king appointed the prime minister and could replace him
before 1953 was the iran pm appointed or elected at DuckDuckGo
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JoeB131
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That's a gross oversimplification.
Technically, Charles III appoints PMs in the UK, Canada, and Australia (among others). The reality is they are appointed by parliament.
The Shah was hardly brimming in tradition. His father came to power in a coup, and was deposed by the Allies during WWII for liking Hitler too much.
The point was, the Shah crushed Democracy in its cradle in Iran, and led to the theocracy we are stuck with now.
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The ally shah was installed because Iran bordered the USSR during that pesky little detail known as the Cold War and was a source of significant energy resources.
Democrats discount those items as they defend Iran devolving into an infinitely worse situation in 1979.
Democrats are nefarious and/or moronic.
Democrats discount those items as they defend Iran devolving into an infinitely worse situation in 1979.
Democrats are nefarious and/or moronic.
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The latest from Faux News, the Shah was really a great guy..... (because he was PRO ISRAEL).....
The Shah murdered tens of thousands in Iran. The Shah did not support DEMOCRACY. The Shah was a brutal mass murdering dictator sugar coated by Zionist Fascism for being PRO ISRAEL.
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No, that will go to you and the cohort of morons who, in spite of all the evidence, sill hold that the morons in Iran have any chance at all to survive this.
How many of their supreme leaders are now with their 72 virgins?
Trump is still here.
Suck on it.
Loser
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all of which is why truly CONSERVATIVE foreign policy is the best policy, and "support for Israel" is 100% pure ANTI CONSERVATIVE....
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Let us know when Isreal surrenders.
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all of which is why truly CONSERVATIVE foreign policy is the best policy, and "support for Israel" is 100% pure ANTI CONSERVATIVE....
Putting your head in the sand and hoping for the best isn't conservative. It's isolationist and idiotic.
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LOL!!!
Noticing we should stay out of countries where we have no US national interest is conservative...
Iraq
Iran
Afghan
'nam
and we'd have a budget surplus today if we had....
The real "putting your head in the sand" people are the Pro Israel Traitors, lying about what Israel has actually done to America
JFK
Gulf of Tonkin hate hoax
war in 'nam
stealing weapons meant for US Army and Marines in 'nam
lying about being attacked in 67 and using that lie to invade WITH OUR WEAPONS THEY STOLE
USS Liberty
250 US Marines in Lebanon 1983 originally hate hoaxed on Hezbo
911
CO2 FRAUD
Covid/Murderous Fraud Vax
Iraq
Afghan
Iran
**** ISRAEL!!
Israel is America's #1 problem and liability.
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