The request to make the Epstein files pubic should notbe political. The focus should be to identify pedophiles and those who facilitate them

[martybegan]

Call them what you want; criminals who take advantage of young girls.
Do you think calling them statutory rapists reduces the disgust of their criminal actions?

No, I think calling them pedophiles is calling them something they are not.

They are dirty old men and statutory rapists, and probably some are full on rapists above and beyond the statutory part of it.

Words mean things.

 

[struth]

Great, let's make up for mistakes of the past and get the files made public.

We are! You are welcome!

So what are you going to do about what's released? I haven't seen anyone call for Jefferies to resign even though he was begging Jeff for money, or for Plaskett to step aside for texting with him during a Congressional hearing....

 

[EvilCat Breath]

Are you saying Epstein was not guilty of having sex or enabling sex with under age girls. If so, you cannot go any lower in life.

There is a difference between underage girls and girls young enough reach a pedophilia threshold. When you yell and stamp your feet demanding list of pedophiles, don't be surprised when the list is blank.

 

[ElmerMudd]

No, I think calling them pedophiles is calling them something they are not.

They are dirty old men and statutory rapists, and probably some are full on rapists above and beyond the statutory part of it.

Words mean things.

You don't even know who will be exposed from the files. There could be pedophiles.

 

[ElmerMudd]

There is a difference between underage girls and girls young enough reach a pedophilia threshold. When you yell and stamp your feet demanding list of pedophiles, don't be surprised when the list is blank.

What age is pedophile threshhold

 

[EvilCat Breath]

What age is pedophile threshhold

In most jurisdictions, 13. There is no crime anywhere of pedophilia. That is a psychiatric diagnosis. In criminal statutes child molestation would be classified by degree. Child molestation in the first degree would be a child under 13. Statutory rape wouldn't even be child molestation.

I don't even know why I'm bothering to explain to a democrat. Jeffrey Epstein was never charged with any serious degree of child molestation. His most serious crimes were trafficking.

 

[Cougarbear]

Politics has brought the situation to people's attention. But once individuals were able to learn all the specifics of the case, if their head is in the right place, the focus should go to the victims and the crimes that were committed.
If a person's main motivation is to help their party or hurt the other party, they are beyond disgusting.

So, you would agree Obama and Biden are disgusting. 12 years and they did nothing.

 

[ElmerMudd]

In most jurisdictions, 13. There is no crime anywhere of pedophilia. That is a psychiatric diagnosis. In criminal statutes child molestation would be classified by degree. Child molestation in the first degree would be a child under 13. Statutory rape wouldn't even be child molestation.

I don't even know why I'm bothering to explain to a democrat. Jeffrey Epstein was never charged with any serious degree of child molestation. His most serious crimes were trafficking.

You are lying to protect a pervert. You are so slimy, I am going to take a shower after corresponding with you.
Jeffrey Epstein was convicted in 2008 of Florida state charges of solicitation of prostitution and solicitation of prostitution from a minor. He was later charged in 2019 with federal crimes of sex trafficking of minors and conspiracy to commit sex trafficking of minors, but died in jail before he could stand trial.

Details of the Cases
2008 Convictions (Florida State Court):

• Charges: Epstein pleaded guilty to one count of soliciting prostitution and one count of soliciting prostitution from a person under the age of 18.
• Sentence: As part of a controversial plea deal with federal and state prosecutors, he was sentenced to 18 months in a county jail, of which he served 13 months. The deal allowed him to participate in a work-release program, spending most of his time outside of the jail at his office. He was also required to register as a sex offender.
• Controversy: This non-prosecution agreement drew widespread criticism for being too lenient and effectively ended a federal investigation that had reportedly prepared an indictment with 60 criminal counts against him.

2019 Charges (Federal Court, New York):

• Charges: Epstein was arrested and charged with one count of sex trafficking of minors and one count of conspiracy to commit sex trafficking of minors. These charges alleged he had sexually exploited and abused dozens of minor girls at his homes in Manhattan and Palm Beach between 2002 and 2005.

 

[ElmerMudd]

So, you would agree Obama and Biden are disgusting. 12 years and they did nothing.

I am not sure why Obama, Biden and Trump, in his first term, did not investigate Epstein. If any did for political reasons they are disgusting

 

[EvilCat Breath]

You are lying to protect a pervert. You are so slimy, I am going to take a shower after corresponding with you.
Jeffrey Epstein was convicted in 2008 of Florida state charges of solicitation of prostitution and solicitation of prostitution from a minor. He was later charged in 2019 with federal crimes of sex trafficking of minors and conspiracy to commit sex trafficking of minors, but died in jail before he could stand trial.

Details of the Cases
2008 Convictions (Florida State Court):

• Charges: Epstein pleaded guilty to one count of soliciting prostitution and one count of soliciting prostitution from a person under the age of 18.
• Sentence: As part of a controversial plea deal with federal and state prosecutors, he was sentenced to 18 months in a county jail, of which he served 13 months. The deal allowed him to participate in a work-release program, spending most of his time outside of the jail at his office. He was also required to register as a sex offender.
• Controversy: This non-prosecution agreement drew widespread criticism for being too lenient and effectively ended a federal investigation that had reportedly prepared an indictment with 60 criminal counts against him.

2019 Charges (Federal Court, New York):

• Charges: Epstein was arrested and charged with one count of sex trafficking of minors and one count of conspiracy to commit sex trafficking of minors. These charges alleged he had sexually exploited and abused dozens of minor girls at his homes in Manhattan and Palm Beach between 2002 and 2005.

Hmmmmmm. I see no enhancements for a child under 13. Or is NOT seeing these non existent charges a form of lying TO YOU. You have just proved, to everyone else, if not yourself, that Jeffrey Epstein was never charged or convicted of sexual molestation of a child under 13. You do see that, don't you? Is it possible that the prosecutors just forgot? Oh my if only they had you to tell them.

 

[martybegan]

You don't even know who will be exposed from the files. There could be pedophiles.

I doubt it. Those perverts tend to hide in the shadows and don't interact outside their own perversion.

Epstein and his buddies were into jailbait, not little kids.

 

[SassyIrishLass]

I doubt it. Those perverts tend to hide in the shadows and don't interact outside their own perversion.

Epstein and his buddies were into jailbait, not little kids.

Those jailbaits were kids

 

[martybegan]

Those jailbaits were kids

I said "little kids"

 

[SassyIrishLass]

I said "little kids"

They're still kids. It's a thin line between pedophile and pederast and regardless adults should refrain

 

[martybegan]

They're still kids. It's a thin line between pedophile and pederast and regardless adults should refrain

It's actually a pretty big line, even with both being illegal.

Modern society has rightly decided to put an age limit on sexual relations. However, in the past when people only lived to 30 or 40, older men and young girls being married and procreating was an acceptable and common thing. When 1/2 your children died before 10 you had to make use of the time given for fertility, and older men usually had more stable positions and were thus able to support families. Now that this is not the case, the laws we have regarding this make sense.

Actual pedophilia has NEVER been acceptable even going back to antiquity.

 

[SassyIrishLass]

It's actually a pretty big line, even with both being illegal.

Modern society has rightly decided to put an age limit on sexual relations. However, in the past when people only lived to 30 or 40, older men and young girls being married and procreating was an acceptable and common thing. When 1/2 your children died before 10 you had to make use of the time given for fertility, and older men usually had more stable positions and were thus able to support families. Now that this is not the case, the laws we have regarding this make sense.

Actual pedophilia has NEVER been acceptable even going back to antiquity.

We have a 15 year old daughter and a five year old daughter... anyone adult touches either of them better hope Johnny Law gets to them first. They're both children

 

[hadit]

Epstein was never accused of pedophilia, which is a specific mental illness.

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Pedophilic disorder is characterized by recurring, intense sexually arousing fantasies, urges, or behavior involving children (usually 13 years old or younger).​

Pedophilic Disorder - Mental Health - MSD Manual Consumer Version

Pedophilic Disorder - Learn about the causes, symptoms, diagnosis & treatment from the MSD Manuals - Medical Consumer Version.

www.msdmanuals.com

Irrelevant if he was procuring minors and making them available for exploitation by the rich and powerful.

 

[hadit]

We have a 15 year old daughter and a five year old daughter... anyone adult touches either of them better hope Johnny Law gets to them first. They're both children

The point is, TODAY they are both children, but it was not long ago at all that a 15-year-old girl was not only considered an adult but was fair game for marriage. Heck, 15-year-old boys were considered adults and expected to put in a full day's work on the farm, in the mine, or at the factory. It's only been in recent years that we've decided young people need to be children until they are at least 18.

One does appreciate your determination to protect your offspring.

 

[martybegan]

We have a 15 year old daughter and a five year old daughter... anyone adult touches either of them better hope Johnny Law gets to them first. They're both children

I am not disagreeing with you, I am just pointing out the differences between the two situations from a historical perspective.

Not to be blunt, but 200 years ago you would have had 4 other kids in between, and 1/2 of them would have died in infancy.

 

[SassyIrishLass]

The point is, TODAY they are both children, but it was not long ago at all that a 15-year-old girl was not only considered an adult but was fair game for marriage. Heck, 15-year-old boys were considered adults and expected to put in a full day's work on the farm, in the mine, or at the factory. It's only been in recent years that we've decided young people need to be children until they are at least 18.

One does appreciate your determination to protect your offspring.

I know but times change. My great grandmother was 15 when she married. I just can't imagine a 15 year old being ready for that.

Side note, she and my great grandfather were married for nearly 60 years.