The republican solution to poverty doesn’t make any sense

[Cellblock2429]

There is always going to be poverty and poor people that is the reality of the world we live in and it's not something politicans and government can fix. LBJ declared war on poverty in 1964 and despite the huge amount of money spent on anti-poverty programs over the years the impact has been minimal. I don't have a solution to the problem and after 50 plus years no politican Democrat or Republican has come up with one either.

There will always be poverty, but our poverty rate is much higher than other developed nations. The income disparity is the widest in the world.

/——/ get the illegals out of the country and Americans can step in. I admit the temptation for businesses to hire illegals and pay off the books so they can be competitive. Fix the tax and labor laws. As a teen, I had my pick of entry level jobs and all were above the minimum wage.

 

[MisterBeale]

The Republican ‘solution’ to most everything doesn’t make any sense.

And Republicans have no desire to end poverty; conservative economic dogma maintains that one is poor as a consequence of his own failings, poor decisions, and an inability to compete and be successful in a capitalist system – in essence Social Darwinism.

For conservatives the poor have only themselves to blame and deserve neither assistance nor a ‘solution.’

And yet every single time it's tried across the entire world, it works. China is proof that Capitalism works. India is proof Capitalism works.

And the left-wing government socialist approach has failed every single time. North Korea, Cuba, Venezuela, and of course the USSR. All hell-holes of misery and suffering, brought on by the same ideology that Democrats routinely support.

Capitalism works because of government passing laws in it's favor and bailing it out when it frequently gets in trouble. Thousands of capitalist lobbyists in D.C. at any given time lining up for government favors. Let's get rid of medicaid and food stamps for kids too so they don't become dependent on government like....the capitalists.

Lobbying’s top 50: Who’s spending big

That's not Capitalism, Capitalism allows businesses to fail if there isn't sufficient demand. Corporatism is what bails out a business.

The lobbyists aren't the problem, it's the fact that the government is powerful enough to grant these favors, and the left insisting that more government is the solution to too much government.

Capitalism functions independent of the government, and regulates itself. Government interference only prevents it from functioning optimally and damages the economy.

That is the biggest take away from this thread.

The reason there is such a wealth disparity, and the reason it continues to grow, year after year, is BECAUSE the government continues to grow.

It really doesn't matter if it grows because of the Democrats or the Republicans. The more interference there is in the economy, the more wealth disparity there will be.

If businesses aren't allowed to fail so that more fertile ground is available for more growth, for more jobs and thus, more pressure to increase wages will not be available.

If huge mega corporations like McDonald's, Walmart, Amazon, etc. do not feel competition, then wages will stagnate on the low side.

I was contemplating the other day, how would someone create a company to compete with Amazon at this point in time? There is your answer. . .

Destroying corportism and reviving capitalism is the only hope for those in poverty.

One can only do that by restraining the massive bureaucracy and shrinking the government we can create such an atmosphere.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

The Republican ‘solution’ to most everything doesn’t make any sense.

And Republicans have no desire to end poverty; conservative economic dogma maintains that one is poor as a consequence of his own failings, poor decisions, and an inability to compete and be successful in a capitalist system – in essence Social Darwinism.

For conservatives the poor have only themselves to blame and deserve neither assistance nor a ‘solution.’

And yet every single time it's tried across the entire world, it works. China is proof that Capitalism works. India is proof Capitalism works.

And the left-wing government socialist approach has failed every single time. North Korea, Cuba, Venezuela, and of course the USSR. All hell-holes of misery and suffering, brought on by the same ideology that Democrats routinely support.

Capitalism works because of government passing laws in it's favor and bailing it out when it frequently gets in trouble. Thousands of capitalist lobbyists in D.C. at any given time lining up for government favors. Let's get rid of medicaid and food stamps for kids too so they don't become dependent on government like....the capitalists.

Lobbying’s top 50: Who’s spending big

That's not Capitalism, Capitalism allows businesses to fail if there isn't sufficient demand. Corporatism is what bails out a business.

The lobbyists aren't the problem, it's the fact that the government is powerful enough to grant these favors, and the left insisting that more government is the solution to too much government.

Capitalism functions independent of the government, and regulates itself. Government interference only prevents it from functioning optimally and damages the economy.

That is the biggest take away from this thread.

The reason there is such a wealth disparity, and the reason it continues to grow, year after year, is BECAUSE the government continues to grow.

It really doesn't matter if it grows because of the Democrats or the Republicans. The more interference there is in the economy, the more wealth disparity there will be.

If businesses aren't allowed to fail so that more fertile ground is available for more growth, for more jobs and thus, more pressure to increase wages will not be available.

If huge mega corporations like McDonald's, Walmart, Amazon, etc. do not feel competition, then wages will stagnate on the low side.

I was contemplating the other day, how would someone create a company to compete with Amazon at this point in time? There is your answer. . .

Destroying corportism and reviving capitalism is the only hope for those in poverty.

One can only do that by restraining the massive bureaucracy and shrinking the government we can create such an atmosphere.

I would disagree to some point. The reason for the wealth disparity is because there are more things to buy today than there was let's say 50 years ago. Every week, every member here will distribute their money to the top, and likely several times this week.

We will pay for this internet, cable or satellite television. We will pay our electric bill, heat bill, and cell phone bill. We may stop at McDonald's or like restaurant. We may buy a new computer or software for our computer. We may order some movies or special shows for extra cost. We will go to Starbucks, Walmart or Target. But one way or another, we will all transfer our money to the top.

 

[Likkmee]

We dun got other more impotent stuff ta worry boat.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

Even if every poor person worked hard and went to school to get better pay, who would do all those entry level jobs that are the backbone of the economy? Now of course you might be dense and say “teenagers”, but there are many entry jobs kids cannot do and even they could, there wouldn’t be nearly enough of them working during the school year.

So what’s the solution to help alleviate poverty, republicans?

What is it about you liberals that you can't seem to grasp the concept of "advancement" in the job place?

Entry level should be rather self explanatory...it's a job that you start out at with very little training. As you learn job skills you move up the ladder to higher paying...more skilled jobs.

What's YOUR solution to alleviating poverty? Getting rid of entry level jobs by making them so expensive that employers turn to self serve kiosks? So how does that help young people with no job skills GET the skills they need?

It boils down to the theory of the horse and the carrot.

My first job (besides working on the side with my father who was a bricklayer) was at a car wash. What made me leave the car wash and seek other jobs was the fact minimum wage didn't pay enough. But unskilled, I couldn't find much else. So I went from the car wash to another unskilled labor job at minimum wage, then another, then another.

While my pay didn't increase much, I got good references and I learned more things as I went along. Eventually I learned enough things to get a better paying job, and learned even more things there.

Imagine if we had todays liberals back in the 70's when I had that car wash job. Left to them, I would have made enough to be happy and never ventured out into the world to better myself. I probably would have never found my trade. I may have worked at that car wash until I was 30. Then when I entered upper middle-age and decided I wasn't making enough, it would have been too late to start learning new things.

Well, as long as your mind is still working, I don't think it is ever too late to learn new things. Making at a living at it may be another story though, as usually some experience is required.

That's what I meant. I think we would be doing our people a great disservice by overpaying them to bring them out of so-called poverty. They will never advance themselves and perhaps by the time they do, it will be too late to enter a new field of work with virtually no experience at anything. The older you get, the harder it is to get a job, even if you do have a trade or experience with certain things.

Until I made property investments, I always worked a job that had me going six days a week, or otherwise had a part-time job during the weekends. At one time I was working three jobs. But that's how you learn. That's what makes you want to do better for yourself.

Now that I'm a landlord, I don't have time for a part-time job. This is a part-time job. But even just a few years from retirement, I'm still going strong and working more hours than most younger people today.

 

[rightwinger]

The Republican solution to poverty is the old proverb.......Give a man a fish and he will eat for a day. Teach a man to fish and he will eat for a lifetime

But what happens when there are no more fish in the pond?

Republicans just say......not my problem

Ah...if there are no more fish in the pond then how are you going to "give" that man his fish?

Perhaps the dumbest analogy of all time, Winger!

We are a society of We the People. We can draw on our reserves of fish and make sure people do not starve

 

[ChrisL]

The Republican solution to poverty is the old proverb.......Give a man a fish and he will eat for a day. Teach a man to fish and he will eat for a lifetime

But what happens when there are no more fish in the pond?

Republicans just say......not my problem

Ah...if there are no more fish in the pond then how are you going to "give" that man his fish?

Perhaps the dumbest analogy of all time, Winger!

We are a society of We the People. We can draw on our reserves of fish and make sure people do not starve

This is why, if things were left up to people like you, everyone would starve because there would be no fish left!

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

The Republican solution to poverty is the old proverb.......Give a man a fish and he will eat for a day. Teach a man to fish and he will eat for a lifetime

But what happens when there are no more fish in the pond?

Republicans just say......not my problem

Ah...if there are no more fish in the pond then how are you going to "give" that man his fish?

Perhaps the dumbest analogy of all time, Winger!

We are a society of We the People. We can draw on our reserves of fish and make sure people do not starve

And when we do, they will never gain an interest to fish.

 

[rightwinger]

I don't know, but the leftists really need to understand that driving businesses away from the United States harms everyone, all of us. They are much too focused on punishing businesses for having too much. They don't seem to understand unintended consequences of their actions, or they just don't consider them and ignore them. I'm not really sure.

That sounds good...but we are not driving businesses out of the country. As a matter of fact, businesses have made huge profits over the last eight years. Only problem is those profits have not resulted in higher wages

 

[ChrisL]

The Republican solution to poverty is the old proverb.......Give a man a fish and he will eat for a day. Teach a man to fish and he will eat for a lifetime

But what happens when there are no more fish in the pond?

Republicans just say......not my problem

Ah...if there are no more fish in the pond then how are you going to "give" that man his fish?

Perhaps the dumbest analogy of all time, Winger!

We are a society of We the People. We can draw on our reserves of fish and make sure people do not starve

And when we do, they will never gain an interest to fish.

Right. It is human nature that they would rely on everyone else to provide them with their fish and never ever contribute any of their own fish!

 

[ChrisL]

I don't know, but the leftists really need to understand that driving businesses away from the United States harms everyone, all of us. They are much too focused on punishing businesses for having too much. They don't seem to understand unintended consequences of their actions, or they just don't consider them and ignore them. I'm not really sure.

That sounds good...but we are not driving businesses out of the country. As a matter of fact, businesses have made huge profits over the last eight years. Only problem is those profits have not resulted in higher wages

That's because leftists want to keep taxing them more and more. Of course they are going to pass that on to the consumers and try to hoard. When you have a lot, you tend to give more. When you have little, you tend to hoard more. This is just basic life 101.

 

[rightwinger]

The Republican solution to poverty is the old proverb.......Give a man a fish and he will eat for a day. Teach a man to fish and he will eat for a lifetime

But what happens when there are no more fish in the pond?

Republicans just say......not my problem

Ah...if there are no more fish in the pond then how are you going to "give" that man his fish?

Perhaps the dumbest analogy of all time, Winger!

We are a society of We the People. We can draw on our reserves of fish and make sure people do not starve

And when we do, they will never gain an interest to fish.

Hence the dilemma.
We can look at communities like Detroit and Cleveland
Those ponds used to be full of fish. People would come from around the country to fish in those ponds and they lived quite well

But sadly, those ponds dried up and the fish were gone
People were left with the ability to fish but there were few fish to be caught

 

[ChrisL]

The Republican solution to poverty is the old proverb.......Give a man a fish and he will eat for a day. Teach a man to fish and he will eat for a lifetime

But what happens when there are no more fish in the pond?

Republicans just say......not my problem

Ah...if there are no more fish in the pond then how are you going to "give" that man his fish?

Perhaps the dumbest analogy of all time, Winger!

We are a society of We the People. We can draw on our reserves of fish and make sure people do not starve

And when we do, they will never gain an interest to fish.

Hence the dilemma.
We can look at communities like Detroit and Cleveland
Those ponds used to be full of fish. People would come from around the country to fish in those ponds and they lived quite well

But sadly, those ponds dried up and the fish were gone
People were left with the ability to fish but there were few fish to be caught

And why do you think this happened? Think hard about this. The entire situation, the leadership, and things that were going on.

 

[Cellblock2429]

Entry level jobs means you get food stamps.

/----/ BS. Entry level is aimed at teens living at home. I worked entry level starting when I was 16 and never once needed food stamps. By the time I was 19, I was making about double the minimum wage and way above that in my early 20s. Your premise is deeply flawed.

 

[ChrisL]

Do you think it could have been because of too many people wanting free fish, and not enough people earning enough fish to provide for themselves as well as all the others, and therefore they left for cleaner waters where there are less "demands" on them to keep catching fish and getting nowhere?

 

[rightwinger]

The Republican solution to poverty is the old proverb.......Give a man a fish and he will eat for a day. Teach a man to fish and he will eat for a lifetime

But what happens when there are no more fish in the pond?

Republicans just say......not my problem

Ah...if there are no more fish in the pond then how are you going to "give" that man his fish?

Perhaps the dumbest analogy of all time, Winger!

We are a society of We the People. We can draw on our reserves of fish and make sure people do not starve

And when we do, they will never gain an interest to fish.

Hence the dilemma.
We can look at communities like Detroit and Cleveland
Those ponds used to be full of fish. People would come from around the country to fish in those ponds and they lived quite well

But sadly, those ponds dried up and the fish were gone
People were left with the ability to fish but there were few fish to be caught

And why do you think this happened? Think hard about this. The entire situation, the leadership, and things that were going on.

Why did it happen?

Greed and short sighted management by corporations

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

The Republican solution to poverty is the old proverb.......Give a man a fish and he will eat for a day. Teach a man to fish and he will eat for a lifetime

But what happens when there are no more fish in the pond?

Republicans just say......not my problem

Ah...if there are no more fish in the pond then how are you going to "give" that man his fish?

Perhaps the dumbest analogy of all time, Winger!

We are a society of We the People. We can draw on our reserves of fish and make sure people do not starve

And when we do, they will never gain an interest to fish.

Hence the dilemma.
We can look at communities like Detroit and Cleveland
Those ponds used to be full of fish. People would come from around the country to fish in those ponds and they lived quite well

But sadly, those ponds dried up and the fish were gone
People were left with the ability to fish but there were few fish to be caught

I don't know about Detroit, but I've lived here my entire life. As a local truck driver, I see help wanted signs everywhere. There are still plenty of fish, just perhaps not the same quality.

My employer has a hell of a time trying to find a replacement for a retiring worker or one that switched jobs. Sometimes it takes him several weeks to find replacements, and we are a very small family owned operation.

Many times our customers will ask us if we know anybody looking for a job, or looking to switch jobs. The fish are jumping out of the water trying to get into the boat.

 

[SmokeALib]

The Republican solution to poverty is the old proverb.......Give a man a fish and he will eat for a day. Teach a man to fish and he will eat for a lifetime

But what happens when there are no more fish in the pond?

Republicans just say......not my problem

Ah...if there are no more fish in the pond then how are you going to "give" that man his fish?

Perhaps the dumbest analogy of all time, Winger!

We are a society of We the People. We can draw on our reserves of fish and make sure people do not starve

And when we do, they will never gain an interest to fish.

Hence the dilemma.
We can look at communities like Detroit and Cleveland
Those ponds used to be full of fish. People would come from around the country to fish in those ponds and they lived quite well

But sadly, those ponds dried up and the fish were gone
People were left with the ability to fish but there were few fish to be caught

That's what democratic leadership will do for you.

 

[ChrisL]

Ah...if there are no more fish in the pond then how are you going to "give" that man his fish?

Perhaps the dumbest analogy of all time, Winger!

We are a society of We the People. We can draw on our reserves of fish and make sure people do not starve

And when we do, they will never gain an interest to fish.

Hence the dilemma.
We can look at communities like Detroit and Cleveland
Those ponds used to be full of fish. People would come from around the country to fish in those ponds and they lived quite well

But sadly, those ponds dried up and the fish were gone
People were left with the ability to fish but there were few fish to be caught

And why do you think this happened? Think hard about this. The entire situation, the leadership, and things that were going on.

Why did it happen?

Greed and short sighted management by corporations

Really? Hmm.

Top 10 reasons Detroit went bankrupt

 

[rightwinger]

Do you think it could have been because of too many people wanting free fish, and not enough people earning enough fish to provide for themselves as well as all the others, and therefore they left for cleaner waters where there are less "demands" on them to keep catching fish and getting nowhere?

Those people in cities like Cleveland and Detroit did quite well when there were plenty of low skilled jobs available. They bought homes and raised families and when their children grew up there were plenty of jobs available