The problem is far bigger than Jeffrey Epstein

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Treating the scandal as an aberration misunderstands the global epidemic of violence against women

‘In 2 July, the jury delivered a guilty verdict on some of the charges against the music mogul Sean Combs, accused of horrific sexual abuse of women with the help of his extensive staff and deep pockets. He’s also accused in many civil suits of sexual abuse of adults and minors. It seems like everyone promptly forgot about Combs when the facts about the financier Jeffrey Epstein’s decades of horrific sexual abuse of at least a 100 girls and women, with the help of his extensive staff, deep pockets, banks, and elite connections became the next front-page ruckus.

In June, the movie producer Harvey Weinstein was found guilty in a New York retrial for some of his decades of horrific sexual abuse of women, with the help of his extensive staff, top lawyers, the film industry, some ex-Mossad agents and of course his deep pockets. In February a federal appeals court upheld the convictions and 30-year prison sentence of the singer R Kelly for racketeering and sex trafficking; last year his other 20-year sentence was also upheld, for producing child abuse images and enticement of children for sex. Of course his deep pockets and extensive assistance had also been factors in how he too was able to abuse girls for so long.

One of the reasons the epidemic of violence against women is so unacknowledged is because cases like these are talked about individually, and often treated as though they are shocking aberrations rather than part of a pervasive pattern that operates at all levels of society. Another is that it is in the most literal sense not news – there are tides of hatred and violence against other groups that ebb and flow, but violence against women is global and enduring, a constant rather than an event. Another is that law enforcement and the legal system have often been more interested in protecting perpetrators and society has often normalized and even celebrated violence against women.
[…]
But in another sense the whole society is hiding something: that this violence is everywhere and it deeply shapes – or misshapes – our society. The statistics I cited above address the victims of specific crimes. But all girls and women are impacted by the reality that so many men want to harm us and these crimes could happen to any one of us. This violence affects the choices we make about where to go and when, what jobs to take, when to speak up, what to wear. The threat of violence and actual violence by some men against some women and girls establishes female vulnerability and fear and disempowerment far more broadly. Society has largely required us to alter our lives to avoid this, rather than society being altered to make us free and equal. This violence is an engine of inequality that benefits all men, insofar as being “more equal than others” in this respect is a benefit.

The piecemeal stories – “here is this one bad man we need to do something about” – don’t address the reality that the problem is systemic and the solution isn’t police and prison. It’s social change, and societies will have changed enough when violence against women ceases to be a pandemic that stretches across continents and centuries. Systemic problems require systemic responses, and while I’m all for releasing the Epstein files, I want a broader conversation and deeper change.’


“…a broader conversation and deeper change.”

Neither of which will happen, of course, the consequence of conservative opposition to both.
 
Treating the scandal as an aberration misunderstands the global epidemic of violence against women

‘In 2 July, the jury delivered a guilty verdict on some of the charges against the music mogul Sean Combs, accused of horrific sexual abuse of women with the help of his extensive staff and deep pockets. He’s also accused in many civil suits of sexual abuse of adults and minors. It seems like everyone promptly forgot about Combs when the facts about the financier Jeffrey Epstein’s decades of horrific sexual abuse of at least a 100 girls and women, with the help of his extensive staff, deep pockets, banks, and elite connections became the next front-page ruckus.

In June, the movie producer Harvey Weinstein was found guilty in a New York retrial for some of his decades of horrific sexual abuse of women, with the help of his extensive staff, top lawyers, the film industry, some ex-Mossad agents and of course his deep pockets. In February a federal appeals court upheld the convictions and 30-year prison sentence of the singer R Kelly for racketeering and sex trafficking; last year his other 20-year sentence was also upheld, for producing child abuse images and enticement of children for sex. Of course his deep pockets and extensive assistance had also been factors in how he too was able to abuse girls for so long.

One of the reasons the epidemic of violence against women is so unacknowledged is because cases like these are talked about individually, and often treated as though they are shocking aberrations rather than part of a pervasive pattern that operates at all levels of society. Another is that it is in the most literal sense not news – there are tides of hatred and violence against other groups that ebb and flow, but violence against women is global and enduring, a constant rather than an event. Another is that law enforcement and the legal system have often been more interested in protecting perpetrators and society has often normalized and even celebrated violence against women.
[…]
But in another sense the whole society is hiding something: that this violence is everywhere and it deeply shapes – or misshapes – our society. The statistics I cited above address the victims of specific crimes. But all girls and women are impacted by the reality that so many men want to harm us and these crimes could happen to any one of us. This violence affects the choices we make about where to go and when, what jobs to take, when to speak up, what to wear. The threat of violence and actual violence by some men against some women and girls establishes female vulnerability and fear and disempowerment far more broadly. Society has largely required us to alter our lives to avoid this, rather than society being altered to make us free and equal. This violence is an engine of inequality that benefits all men, insofar as being “more equal than others” in this respect is a benefit.

The piecemeal stories – “here is this one bad man we need to do something about” – don’t address the reality that the problem is systemic and the solution isn’t police and prison. It’s social change, and societies will have changed enough when violence against women ceases to be a pandemic that stretches across continents and centuries. Systemic problems require systemic responses, and while I’m all for releasing the Epstein files, I want a broader conversation and deeper change.’


“…a broader conversation and deeper change.”

Neither of which will happen, of course, the consequence of conservative opposition to both.
Yes it is much, much bigger.....
 
“…a broader conversation and deeper change.”

Neither of which will happen, of course, the consequence of conservative opposition to both.
The quickest way to get underaged girls out of harms way would be for adult women to remember, embrace, and return to their proper place in the world… at Men’s feet.
 
Treating the scandal as an aberration misunderstands the global epidemic of violence against women

‘In 2 July, the jury delivered a guilty verdict on some of the charges against the music mogul Sean Combs, accused of horrific sexual abuse of women with the help of his extensive staff and deep pockets. He’s also accused in many civil suits of sexual abuse of adults and minors. It seems like everyone promptly forgot about Combs when the facts about the financier Jeffrey Epstein’s decades of horrific sexual abuse of at least a 100 girls and women, with the help of his extensive staff, deep pockets, banks, and elite connections became the next front-page ruckus.

In June, the movie producer Harvey Weinstein was found guilty in a New York retrial for some of his decades of horrific sexual abuse of women, with the help of his extensive staff, top lawyers, the film industry, some ex-Mossad agents and of course his deep pockets. In February a federal appeals court upheld the convictions and 30-year prison sentence of the singer R Kelly for racketeering and sex trafficking; last year his other 20-year sentence was also upheld, for producing child abuse images and enticement of children for sex. Of course his deep pockets and extensive assistance had also been factors in how he too was able to abuse girls for so long.

One of the reasons the epidemic of violence against women is so unacknowledged is because cases like these are talked about individually, and often treated as though they are shocking aberrations rather than part of a pervasive pattern that operates at all levels of society. Another is that it is in the most literal sense not news – there are tides of hatred and violence against other groups that ebb and flow, but violence against women is global and enduring, a constant rather than an event. Another is that law enforcement and the legal system have often been more interested in protecting perpetrators and society has often normalized and even celebrated violence against women.
[…]
But in another sense the whole society is hiding something: that this violence is everywhere and it deeply shapes – or misshapes – our society. The statistics I cited above address the victims of specific crimes. But all girls and women are impacted by the reality that so many men want to harm us and these crimes could happen to any one of us. This violence affects the choices we make about where to go and when, what jobs to take, when to speak up, what to wear. The threat of violence and actual violence by some men against some women and girls establishes female vulnerability and fear and disempowerment far more broadly. Society has largely required us to alter our lives to avoid this, rather than society being altered to make us free and equal. This violence is an engine of inequality that benefits all men, insofar as being “more equal than others” in this respect is a benefit.

The piecemeal stories – “here is this one bad man we need to do something about” – don’t address the reality that the problem is systemic and the solution isn’t police and prison. It’s social change, and societies will have changed enough when violence against women ceases to be a pandemic that stretches across continents and centuries. Systemic problems require systemic responses, and while I’m all for releasing the Epstein files, I want a broader conversation and deeper change.’


“…a broader conversation and deeper change.”

Neither of which will happen, of course, the consequence of conservative opposition to both.
All I know is the biggest offender of them all, Bill Clinton gets ZERO scrutiny from the left. This proves the whole outrage thing is a sham.
 
part of a pervasive pattern that operates at all levels of society

but violence against women is global and enduring, a constant rather than an event.

this violence is everywhere

all girls and women are impacted by the reality that so many men want to harm us and these crimes could happen to any one of us.

that stretches across continents and centuries


In every one of those quotes above ^^^ and in fact your whole OP and link, include the FACT that violence against women and children is an ongoing problem from the beginning of time and across all levels of society and is worldwide...........and here YOU just can't resist to blame conservatives. Get a grip jonesy
 
In every one of those quotes above ^^^ and in fact your whole OP and link, include the FACT that violence against women and children is an ongoing problem from the beginning of time and across all levels of society and is worldwide...........and here YOU just can't resist to blame conservatives. Get a grip jonesy
The song desperado comes to mind
 
The song desperado comes to mind
OP is desperate alright, desperate for attention

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Treating the scandal as an aberration misunderstands the global epidemic of violence against women

‘In 2 July, the jury delivered a guilty verdict on some of the charges against the music mogul Sean Combs, accused of horrific sexual abuse of women with the help of his extensive staff and deep pockets. He’s also accused in many civil suits of sexual abuse of adults and minors. It seems like everyone promptly forgot about Combs when the facts about the financier Jeffrey Epstein’s decades of horrific sexual abuse of at least a 100 girls and women, with the help of his extensive staff, deep pockets, banks, and elite connections became the next front-page ruckus.

In June, the movie producer Harvey Weinstein was found guilty in a New York retrial for some of his decades of horrific sexual abuse of women, with the help of his extensive staff, top lawyers, the film industry, some ex-Mossad agents and of course his deep pockets. In February a federal appeals court upheld the convictions and 30-year prison sentence of the singer R Kelly for racketeering and sex trafficking; last year his other 20-year sentence was also upheld, for producing child abuse images and enticement of children for sex. Of course his deep pockets and extensive assistance had also been factors in how he too was able to abuse girls for so long.

One of the reasons the epidemic of violence against women is so unacknowledged is because cases like these are talked about individually, and often treated as though they are shocking aberrations rather than part of a pervasive pattern that operates at all levels of society. Another is that it is in the most literal sense not news – there are tides of hatred and violence against other groups that ebb and flow, but violence against women is global and enduring, a constant rather than an event. Another is that law enforcement and the legal system have often been more interested in protecting perpetrators and society has often normalized and even celebrated violence against women.
[…]
But in another sense the whole society is hiding something: that this violence is everywhere and it deeply shapes – or misshapes – our society. The statistics I cited above address the victims of specific crimes. But all girls and women are impacted by the reality that so many men want to harm us and these crimes could happen to any one of us. This violence affects the choices we make about where to go and when, what jobs to take, when to speak up, what to wear. The threat of violence and actual violence by some men against some women and girls establishes female vulnerability and fear and disempowerment far more broadly. Society has largely required us to alter our lives to avoid this, rather than society being altered to make us free and equal. This violence is an engine of inequality that benefits all men, insofar as being “more equal than others” in this respect is a benefit.

The piecemeal stories – “here is this one bad man we need to do something about” – don’t address the reality that the problem is systemic and the solution isn’t police and prison. It’s social change, and societies will have changed enough when violence against women ceases to be a pandemic that stretches across continents and centuries. Systemic problems require systemic responses, and while I’m all for releasing the Epstein files, I want a broader conversation and deeper change.’


“…a broader conversation and deeper change.”

Neither of which will happen, of course, the consequence of conservative opposition to both.
"It's a big club (I refer to it as a small club but whatever) and you ain't in it"- George Carlin
 
Treating the scandal as an aberration misunderstands the global epidemic of violence against women

‘In 2 July, the jury delivered a guilty verdict on some of the charges against the music mogul Sean Combs, accused of horrific sexual abuse of women with the help of his extensive staff and deep pockets. He’s also accused in many civil suits of sexual abuse of adults and minors. It seems like everyone promptly forgot about Combs when the facts about the financier Jeffrey Epstein’s decades of horrific sexual abuse of at least a 100 girls and women, with the help of his extensive staff, deep pockets, banks, and elite connections became the next front-page ruckus.

In June, the movie producer Harvey Weinstein was found guilty in a New York retrial for some of his decades of horrific sexual abuse of women, with the help of his extensive staff, top lawyers, the film industry, some ex-Mossad agents and of course his deep pockets. In February a federal appeals court upheld the convictions and 30-year prison sentence of the singer R Kelly for racketeering and sex trafficking; last year his other 20-year sentence was also upheld, for producing child abuse images and enticement of children for sex. Of course his deep pockets and extensive assistance had also been factors in how he too was able to abuse girls for so long.

One of the reasons the epidemic of violence against women is so unacknowledged is because cases like these are talked about individually, and often treated as though they are shocking aberrations rather than part of a pervasive pattern that operates at all levels of society. Another is that it is in the most literal sense not news – there are tides of hatred and violence against other groups that ebb and flow, but violence against women is global and enduring, a constant rather than an event. Another is that law enforcement and the legal system have often been more interested in protecting perpetrators and society has often normalized and even celebrated violence against women.
[…]
But in another sense the whole society is hiding something: that this violence is everywhere and it deeply shapes – or misshapes – our society. The statistics I cited above address the victims of specific crimes. But all girls and women are impacted by the reality that so many men want to harm us and these crimes could happen to any one of us. This violence affects the choices we make about where to go and when, what jobs to take, when to speak up, what to wear. The threat of violence and actual violence by some men against some women and girls establishes female vulnerability and fear and disempowerment far more broadly. Society has largely required us to alter our lives to avoid this, rather than society being altered to make us free and equal. This violence is an engine of inequality that benefits all men, insofar as being “more equal than others” in this respect is a benefit.

The piecemeal stories – “here is this one bad man we need to do something about” – don’t address the reality that the problem is systemic and the solution isn’t police and prison. It’s social change, and societies will have changed enough when violence against women ceases to be a pandemic that stretches across continents and centuries. Systemic problems require systemic responses, and while I’m all for releasing the Epstein files, I want a broader conversation and deeper change.’


“…a broader conversation and deeper change.”

Neither of which will happen, of course, the consequence of conservative opposition to both.
You have also given a great report that such men as Sean Combs will be prosecuted and spend time in prison. Don't give up.
 
All I know is the biggest offender of them all, Bill Clinton gets ZERO scrutiny from the left. This proves the whole outrage thing is a sham.
2 wrongs dont make a right. This isnt going away.
 
There are people working hard to prevent ,stop and bring offenders to justice. To really put a stop to it would take an all out global effort from parents on up to higher levels of society to be totally involved.

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All I know is the biggest offender of them all, Bill Clinton gets ZERO scrutiny from the left. This proves the whole outrage thing is a sham.
Bill used his power of a grown woman and that was wrong. Bill and "moral turpitude" should never be used in the same sentence.
Bill is a womanizer and shame on him.

Over on this side we have Epstein and a "list" of clients that paid for sex and by some accounts information suggests that the girls trafficked and abused by Jeffrey Epstein were as young as 11 years old. Some accounts indicate that victims were 12, 13, and 14 years old at the time of their abuse, and the trafficking scheme continued until as recently as 2018.

Over on this side the victim count is said to be over 1000.

While an indictment in 2019 mentioned three alleged victims, prosecutors stated there were many more, with Epstein having "created a vast network of underage victims". An investigation by the Miami Herald in 2018 identified around 80 women who claimed to have been abused by Epstein between 2001 and 2006. One lawyer representing Epstein's accusers estimated the number of victims to be over 100. More recent reports indicate that federal investigators believe Epstein's victims numbered over 1,000. The victims included individuals as young as 14 years old.

Neither is acceptable, but this Epstein one is much worse
 
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