The Perception of Cheating is the Real Danger to Democracy

[frigidweirdo]

Of course you will argue that Joe Biden and your Marxist socialist liberals have done a lot for our nation in just two years.

For example the price of gasoline skyrocketed but Joe brought it down by draining our Strategic Petroleum Reserve to a 38 year low. He might have saved the midterms by that move but it may prove very foolish in the end.

I will admit Joe did an amazing job of recreating inflation which hasn’t been a real problem for decades. Plus Joe knows how to open the Mexican border wide open so the Mexican drug cartels can become rich beyond belief smuggling people and drugs in our nation and charging all illegal aliens to cross. I personally suspect Joe is or will get a nice kick back from the cartels as he deserves one. Unfortunately he sold our nation down the Rio Grande. How many people have died from fentanyl overdoses that were able t9 be smuggled into our nation because the Border Patrol was tied up processing illegals?

I could go on but a good sheeple like you will just ignore any further criticism of the worst President in modern history.

I'm not a pro-Democrat or pro-Republican.
I support changing the whole voting system so the US can have sensible politics.

Biden hasn't done anything, Trump did nothing, Obama did nothing, Bush invaded a lot.
They don't do anything because, except for foreign affairs, they don't have the power. They're the EXECUTIVE, not the legislature.

The US is always on a short term political cycle. The House has a two year cycle, and everyone is constantly doing what it takes to win the next election, the President spends the first four years trying to win the second presidential election. So the US is constantly jumping around at the whim of people trying to win election, rather than trying to RUN THE COUNTRY. It's insanity.

Biden isn't the "worst President in modern history", that's a very "sheeple" thing to say. You can't tell how bad a president is until years after his reign has finished. If you ACTUALLY FUCKING CARE about your own country, you'd listen to what I have to say, instead of attacking me for supposedly being Democrat, which shows you don't know me in the slightest.
You just see a political system whereby you're either Rep or Dem, no room for anything else. That's THE PROBLEM.

Time for Proportional Representation.

 

[Batcat]

I'm not a pro-Democrat or pro-Republican.
I support changing the whole voting system so the US can have sensible politics.

Biden hasn't done anything, Trump did nothing, Obama did nothing, Bush invaded a lot.
They don't do anything because, except for foreign affairs, they don't have the power. They're the EXECUTIVE, not the legislature.

The US is always on a short term political cycle. The House has a two year cycle, and everyone is constantly doing what it takes to win the next election, the President spends the first four years trying to win the second presidential election. So the US is constantly jumping around at the whim of people trying to win election, rather than trying to RUN THE COUNTRY. It's insanity.

Biden isn't the "worst President in modern history", that's a very "sheeple" thing to say. You can't tell how bad a president is until years after his reign has finished. If you ACTUALLY FUCKING CARE about your own country, you'd listen to what I have to say, instead of attacking me for supposedly being Democrat, which shows you don't know me in the slightest.
You just see a political system whereby you're either Rep or Dem, no room for anything else. That's THE PROBLEM.

Time for Proportional Representation.

Surprisingly I agree with much of what you posted. I was wrong to assume you were a democrat as you do seem to have the ability to reason.

I agree that getting yourself re-elected as well as members of your party seems to be far more important than correcting the problems that effect our ration faces for those we elect today. Our “short term political cycle“ means our enemies will just wait until an unfavorable administration leaves and a nice favorable administration takes over.

However I still feelJoe Biden is the worst President in my lifetime. The reality may be Joe isn’t even really the President as his mind is too far gone.

 

[frigidweirdo]

Surprisingly I agree with much of what you posted. I was wrong to assume you were a democrat as you do seem to have the ability to reason.

I agree that getting yourself re-elected as well as members of your party seems to be far more important than correcting the problems that effect our ration faces for those we elect today. Our “short term political cycle“ means our enemies will just wait until an unfavorable administration leaves and a nice favorable administration takes over.

However I still feelJoe Biden is the worst President in my lifetime. The reality may be Joe isn’t even really the President as his mind is too far gone.

I don't think it matters whether Biden is there or not. The Presidency is functioning with or without him. The reality is the Presidency is never just one person, it's lots of people and perhaps the Presidency should be made up of lots of elected people, not just one and a half (P + VP).

Switzerland has a good system whereby to be in the Presidency you have to be elected by your peers in the Parliament. It means that getting on well with those around you is more important than showboating like Trump did. Different capable people are put in charge of different parts of the executive, and one is the head of state for a year.

Proportional Representation works better. It's less about money and manipulation.

The secret to Germany's thrifty elections – DW – 08/09/2021

Tax money, no limits on donations and somehow campaigns that are much cheaper than in many other countries — DW examines how German parties get their money.  

www.dw.com

"In 2017, the last time Germany held a parliamentary election, parties spent €92 million ($109.6 million) combined on their election campaigns,"

How Much Does it Cost to Win a Senate Seat?

This content leverages data from USAFacts, a non-profit that visualizes governmental data. You can learn more on its website ,

www.causes.com

"Senator-elect Jon Ossoff (D-GA) topped the list by raising $139.6 million, over $50 million more than his rival, Sen. David Perdue (R-GA), whose fundraising haul of $85.98 million ranked 10th."
Imagine that one man spend way more than the whole of the German system, to elect the Bundestag AND the Chancellor.

And for that they get a better, fairer system.

 

[Batcat]

I don't think it matters whether Biden is there or not. The Presidency is functioning with or without him. The reality is the Presidency is never just one person, it's lots of people and perhaps the Presidency should be made up of lots of elected people, not just one and a half (P + VP).

Switzerland has a good system whereby to be in the Presidency you have to be elected by your peers in the Parliament. It means that getting on well with those around you is more important than showboating like Trump did. Different capable people are put in charge of different parts of the executive, and one is the head of state for a year.

Proportional Representation works better. It's less about money and manipulation.

The secret to Germany's thrifty elections – DW – 08/09/2021

Tax money, no limits on donations and somehow campaigns that are much cheaper than in many other countries — DW examines how German parties get their money.  

www.dw.com

"In 2017, the last time Germany held a parliamentary election, parties spent €92 million ($109.6 million) combined on their election campaigns,"

How Much Does it Cost to Win a Senate Seat?

This content leverages data from USAFacts, a non-profit that visualizes governmental data. You can learn more on its website ,

www.causes.com

"Senator-elect Jon Ossoff (D-GA) topped the list by raising $139.6 million, over $50 million more than his rival, Sen. David Perdue (R-GA), whose fundraising haul of $85.98 million ranked 10th."
Imagine that one man spend way more than the whole of the German system, to elect the Bundestag AND the Chancellor.

And for that they get a better, fairer system.

The problem I see is that we elect a President like Joe Biden who is merely a puppet on the strings of the military industrial complex and the Deep State. We did not elect those people to run our nation. We put Joe in office.

It appears those pulling Joe’s puppet strings want to find a way to get rid of Putin. Now I am not arguing about if the Ukraine deserves our support or not or if getting rid of Putin is a wonderful idea or not. I am just saying I want the individual who was elected to be the President making the big decisions not a bunch of other “experts.” Those experts can present their arguments for and against certain actions to the President who will make the decision. If the President is incapable of deciding he should be removed from office. From what I have observed of Joe Biden he is definitely invcapable of making big decisions on his own.

https://www.news.com.au/finance/work/leaders/you-will-sit-joe-biden-again-flashes-detailed-instructions-during-bali-meeting/news-story/f060c787bb06e8511289a88817c3b7b3

I had the simular worries when Bush the Younger was President and Dick Cheney seemed to be in charge. I did not vote for Dick Cheney and he was not on the ballot. Of course I might be wrong about Cheney running the nation but there seemed to be a lot of circumstantial evidence. The Iraq invasion made big bucks for the military industrial complex and private contractors and was ripe with corruption.

Halliburton and Cheney: War Profiteers in Chief Fight to Keep Their Wallets Fat

Halliburton's stock has risen 200% since the invasion of Iraq three and a half years ago. David Lesar, its CEO, made over $40,000,000 in 2004 alone.

www.huffpost.com

In passing, we have no idea where all the money we are sending Ukraine is going. That nation has a reputation for corruption so my bet is a lot is being siphoned off to Swiss bank accounts.

I see no problem with finding ways to get big money out of our political system. The problem is getting our political system to do it. There are good reasons our political system in Washington D.C. is called The swamp. It took decades to create the D.C.Swamp and those we elected will be reluctant to derail the gravy train that runs to it. In my opinion it would take the serious threat of a rebellion to force that type of change and I can’t see that happening anytime in the future over the issue of corruption in the D.C. political system.

 

[frigidweirdo]

The problem I see is that we elect a President like Joe Biden who is merely a puppet on the strings of the military industrial complex and the Deep State. We did not elect those people to run our nation. We put Joe in office.

It appears those pulling Joe’s puppet strings want to find a way to get rid of Putin. Now I am not arguing about if the Ukraine deserves our support or not or if getting rid of Putin is a wonderful idea or not. I am just saying I want the individual who was elected to be the President making the big decisions not a bunch of other “experts.” Those experts can present their arguments for and against certain actions to the President who will make the decision. If the President is incapable of deciding he should be removed from office. From what I have observed of Joe Biden he is definitely invcapable of making big decisions on his own.

https://www.news.com.au/finance/work/leaders/you-will-sit-joe-biden-again-flashes-detailed-instructions-during-bali-meeting/news-story/f060c787bb06e8511289a88817c3b7b3

I had the simular worries when Bush the Younger was President and Dick Cheney seemed to be in charge. I did not vote for Dick Cheney and he was not on the ballot. Of course I might be wrong about Cheney running the nation but there seemed to be a lot of circumstantial evidence. The Iraq invasion made big bucks for the military industrial complex and private contractors and was ripe with corruption.

Halliburton and Cheney: War Profiteers in Chief Fight to Keep Their Wallets Fat

Halliburton's stock has risen 200% since the invasion of Iraq three and a half years ago. David Lesar, its CEO, made over $40,000,000 in 2004 alone.

www.huffpost.com

In passing, we have no idea where all the money we are sending Ukraine is going. That nation has a reputation for corruption so my bet is a lot is being siphoned off to Swiss bank accounts.

I see no problem with finding ways to get big money out of our political system. The problem is getting our political system to do it. There are good reasons our political system in Washington D.C. is called The swamp. It took decades to create the D.C.Swamp and those we elected will be reluctant to derail the gravy train that runs to it. In my opinion it would take the serious threat of a rebellion to force that type of change and I can’t see that happening anytime in the future over the issue of corruption in the D.C. political system.

Thing is, if you actually want the people who are your "representatives" to represent you, and not big money, then you're going to need to do something about it.

All the solutions are found in Proportional Representation.

Why do you think big money, the Reps and the Dems never, ever talk about it?

 

[CrusaderFrank]

Only Dems are counting votes?

In Dems cities, yes

 

[Uncensored2008]

Even then I am in a better position than you are sober.

So, Herpaderpa derpity derp?

Sage wisdom from a board Nazi...

Go vomit in the gutter and pass out in it now...

 

[Uncensored2008]

I'm not a pro-Democrat or pro-Republican.
I support changing the whole voting system so the US can have sensible politics.

But do you support free and fair elections? No, I don't mean the massive fraud of the last two elections, I mean one citizen, one vote. No ballot harvesting, no voting by the dead or illegal alien - one CITIZEN one vote.

It would mean registering every two years, presenting picture ID that proved citizenship. No persistent voter rolls of millions of dead - you register every major cycle.

Biden hasn't done anything, Trump did nothing, Obama did nothing, Bush invaded a lot.
They don't do anything because, except for foreign affairs, they don't have the power. They're the EXECUTIVE, not the legislature.

That is utterly stupid.

Obama destroyed America's health care. Obama DRAMATICALLY reduced the economic positions of the American middle class. Health care went for the 9th to 3rd biggest monthly expense for the average family due to Obama's fascist care.

The US is always on a short term political cycle. The House has a two year cycle, and everyone is constantly doing what it takes to win the next election, the President spends the first four years trying to win the second presidential election. So the US is constantly jumping around at the whim of people trying to win election, rather than trying to RUN THE COUNTRY. It's insanity.

Yep, and we need term limits to keep congressvermin from serving more than three terms and senators from serving more that two. The permanent ruling caste of Mitch, Schmuck, Eva Braun Pelosi, and Quid Pro is the REASON

Biden isn't the "worst President in modern history", that's a very "sheeple" thing to say.

Biden fluffers are so silly.

You can't tell how bad a president is until years after his reign has finished.

What a moronic claim.

You sure thought you could declare Orange Man Bad - well shit, before he even took office.

If you ACTUALLY FUCKING CARE about your own country, you'd listen to what I have to say, instead of attacking me for supposedly being Democrat, which shows you don't know me in the slightest.
You just see a political system whereby you're either Rep or Dem, no room for anything else. That's THE PROBLEM.

When was the last time you voted for a Republican?

Ever?

Time for Proportional Representation.

That's what the house of representatives is.

.

 

[Hutch Starskey]

In Dems cities, yes

Liar.
Link it.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

Liar.
Link it.

 

[Hutch Starskey]

Those are all Dems, dope?

 

[CrusaderFrank]

Those are all Dems, dope?

Yes, indeed!

 

[Hutch Starskey]

Yes, indeed!

Link it, liar.

 

[LilOlLady]

So, Herpaderpa derpity derp?

Sage wisdom from a board Nazi...

Go vomit in the gutter and pass out in it now...

Looks like you know so much about it, Must know one to be one?

 

[Uncensored2008]

Looks like you know so much about it, Must know one to be one?

Oh look, a third grader.

Grow up, Nazi.

 

[Seymour Flops]

I don't think it matters whether Biden is there or not. The Presidency is functioning with or without him. The reality is the Presidency is never just one person, it's lots of people and perhaps the Presidency should be made up of lots of elected people, not just one and a half (P + VP).

Switzerland has a good system whereby to be in the Presidency you have to be elected by your peers in the Parliament. It means that getting on well with those around you is more important than showboating like Trump did. Different capable people are put in charge of different parts of the executive, and one is the head of state for a year.

Proportional Representation works better. It's less about money and manipulation.

The secret to Germany's thrifty elections – DW – 08/09/2021

Tax money, no limits on donations and somehow campaigns that are much cheaper than in many other countries — DW examines how German parties get their money.  

www.dw.com

"In 2017, the last time Germany held a parliamentary election, parties spent €92 million ($109.6 million) combined on their election campaigns,"

How Much Does it Cost to Win a Senate Seat?

This content leverages data from USAFacts, a non-profit that visualizes governmental data. You can learn more on its website ,

www.causes.com

"Senator-elect Jon Ossoff (D-GA) topped the list by raising $139.6 million, over $50 million more than his rival, Sen. David Perdue (R-GA), whose fundraising haul of $85.98 million ranked 10th."
Imagine that one man spend way more than the whole of the German system, to elect the Bundestag AND the Chancellor.

And for that they get a better, fairer system.

I think a parliamentary system is much better. England has one, and when we broke away, we should have also. I think the reason is that many Americans still clung to the idea of a monarch, so the founders thought electing one every four years was the solution.

But, we have to look at what a parliamentary systemt would look like in the U.S., not assume it would be the same as in other countries.

 

[Uncensored2008]

I think a parliamentary system is much better. England has one, and when we broke away, we should have also. I think the reason is that many Americans still clung to the idea of a monarch, so the founders thought electing one every four years was the solution.

But, we have to look at what a parliamentary systemt would look like in the U.S., not assume it would be the same as in other countries.

Parliamentary systems suck.

Our Republic is vastly superior.

The PEOPLE choosing the head of state, not the entrenched politicians, offers far greater opportunity for honest government.

 

[frigidweirdo]

I think a parliamentary system is much better. England has one, and when we broke away, we should have also. I think the reason is that many Americans still clung to the idea of a monarch, so the founders thought electing one every four years was the solution.

But, we have to look at what a parliamentary systemt would look like in the U.S., not assume it would be the same as in other countries.

Yes, the UK has a parliamentary system that also uses FPTP and it's not the best. The Tories gained about 900 votes more than the Lib Dems and Labour combined, and yet got 150 seats more. Germany has a nice system, people vote twice on the same day, once for constituency, someone local, and once for PR which decides the make up of the Bundestag.

The best is, it's cheap (cost $100 million for the whole election in 2017) and it's fair.