The " Palestinian State" is DOA!

[P F Tinmore]

P F Tinmore we both know that having a state or not is not the whole issue.
It's about NOT having Israel in any shape or form beside it.
Palestinians will even fight the notion of their own state for that goal.

As Tawil Fadiha said : "We want You to evacuate, dismantle, and gather in the Sharawia cafe to wait for further instructions."

No plan or vision beyond that.

The Palestinians do not want to change Palestine into a bantustan state.

 

[rylah]

P F Tinmore we both know that having a state or not is not the whole issue.
It's about NOT having Israel in any shape or form beside it.
Palestinians will even fight the notion of their own state for that goal.

As Tawil Fadiha said : "We want You to evacuate, dismantle, and gather in the Sharawia cafe to wait for further instructions."

No plan or vision beyond that.

The Palestinians do not want to change Palestine into a bantustan state.

It's the opposite,

The United Arab Emirates is a federal state that comprises seven federal emirates, each administered by a hereditary emir, these seven forming the electoral college for the federation's President and Prime Minister. As most emirates have either disappeared, been integrated in a larger modern state or changed their rulers' styles, e.g. to malik (Arabic for king) or sultan, such true emirate-states have become rare.


An emirate is the most successful system in the Arab world today, it addresses the territorial issue of an non-continuous state and the social tribalism. If Hamas eventually choose to reconcile with PLO they can stick together, if not they have the option to be separate emirates but as one nation.

In both options the life of the average Palestinian is times better than what they had under PLO or Hamas.
Q.Look at Syria and Yemen, then look at Emirates - tell me which of the options produces better life?

 

[P F Tinmore]

P F Tinmore we both know that having a state or not is not the whole issue.
It's about NOT having Israel in any shape or form beside it.
Palestinians will even fight the notion of their own state for that goal.

As Tawil Fadiha said : "We want You to evacuate, dismantle, and gather in the Sharawia cafe to wait for further instructions."

No plan or vision beyond that.

The Palestinians do not want to change Palestine into a bantustan state.

It's the opposite,

The United Arab Emirates is a federal state that comprises seven federal emirates, each administered by a hereditary emir, these seven forming the electoral college for the federation's President and Prime Minister. As most emirates have either disappeared, been integrated in a larger modern state or changed their rulers' styles, e.g. to malik (Arabic for king) or sultan, such true emirate-states have become rare.


An emirate is the most successful system in the Arab world today, it addresses the territorial issue of an non-continuous state and the social tribalism. If Hamas eventually choose to reconcile with PLO they can stick together, if not they have the option to be separate emirates but as one nation.

In both options the life of the average Palestinian is times better than what they had under PLO or Hamas.
Q.Look at Syria and Yemen, then look at Emirates - tell me which of the options produces better life?

You are missing the point of my post.

 

[rylah]

P F Tinmore we both know that having a state or not is not the whole issue.
It's about NOT having Israel in any shape or form beside it.
Palestinians will even fight the notion of their own state for that goal.

As Tawil Fadiha said : "We want You to evacuate, dismantle, and gather in the Sharawia cafe to wait for further instructions."

No plan or vision beyond that.

The Palestinians do not want to change Palestine into a bantustan state.

It's the opposite,

The United Arab Emirates is a federal state that comprises seven federal emirates, each administered by a hereditary emir, these seven forming the electoral college for the federation's President and Prime Minister. As most emirates have either disappeared, been integrated in a larger modern state or changed their rulers' styles, e.g. to malik (Arabic for king) or sultan, such true emirate-states have become rare.


An emirate is the most successful system in the Arab world today, it addresses the territorial issue of an non-continuous state and the social tribalism. If Hamas eventually choose to reconcile with PLO they can stick together, if not they have the option to be separate emirates but as one nation.

In both options the life of the average Palestinian is times better than what they had under PLO or Hamas.
Q.Look at Syria and Yemen, then look at Emirates - tell me which of the options produces better life?

You are missing the point of my post.

And You're missing the simple point, that Hamas and Gaza are not the biggest world problems, not even for Israel.
We have the time. And that I'm talking about something that is going on the ground behind Youtube productions of Pallywood.

We have time, and we have established the needed connections within the society to keep a conversation that Hamas and PLO will never be able to make.

You keep pounding Hamas and PLO propaganda, settlers will keep talking to the shekihs, and we'll see whom the sheikhs choose - the western activists who are detached from reality thousands of miles away, or neighbors who understand what they value on the ground.

 

[Hollie]

P F Tinmore we both know that having a state or not is not the whole issue.
It's about NOT having Israel in any shape or form beside it.
Palestinians will even fight the notion of their own state for that goal.

As Tawil Fadiha said : "We want You to evacuate, dismantle, and gather in the Sharawia cafe to wait for further instructions."

No plan or vision beyond that.

The Palestinians do not want to change Palestine into a bantustan state.

Still stealing Monte’s old slogans, eh?

Otherwise, when was it decided by you, that you were to become the chief turbaned propagandist in charge of what Arab-Moslems want?

 

[USAF 2023]

Palestine does not need to create a state.

I agree! They have Gaza, over 96 percent of the W. Bank was to be given to them, and Jerusalem be put under INTERNATIONAL control with their Capital there and they turned it down.

 

[Hollie]

Palestine does not need to create a state.

Obviously, you mean Arabs-Moslems would be at risk if they chose to create a state.

The status-quo of dependent welfare recipient is in the best interest of those currently in position of controlling the UNRWA welfare fraud. That exploitation of welfare fraud monies is a huge benefit to the relatively few islamic terrorist kingpins at the top of the welfare fraud pyramid scheme. Neither the Hamas or Fatah islamic terrorists have any interest in a "Pal'istanian" state as that would burden them with the responsibilities of civil government. As we see with regularity across the Islamist middle east, normative rule for islamics is by the most ruthless dictator.

 

[P F Tinmore]

P F Tinmore we both know that having a state or not is not the whole issue.
It's about NOT having Israel in any shape or form beside it.
Palestinians will even fight the notion of their own state for that goal.

As Tawil Fadiha said : "We want You to evacuate, dismantle, and gather in the Sharawia cafe to wait for further instructions."

No plan or vision beyond that.

The Palestinians do not want to change Palestine into a bantustan state.

It's the opposite,

The United Arab Emirates is a federal state that comprises seven federal emirates, each administered by a hereditary emir, these seven forming the electoral college for the federation's President and Prime Minister. As most emirates have either disappeared, been integrated in a larger modern state or changed their rulers' styles, e.g. to malik (Arabic for king) or sultan, such true emirate-states have become rare.


An emirate is the most successful system in the Arab world today, it addresses the territorial issue of an non-continuous state and the social tribalism. If Hamas eventually choose to reconcile with PLO they can stick together, if not they have the option to be separate emirates but as one nation.

In both options the life of the average Palestinian is times better than what they had under PLO or Hamas.
Q.Look at Syria and Yemen, then look at Emirates - tell me which of the options produces better life?

You are missing the point of my post.

And You're missing the simple point, that Hamas and Gaza are not the biggest world problems, not even for Israel.
We have the time. And that I'm talking about something that is going on the ground behind Youtube productions of Pallywood.

We have time, and we have established the needed connections within the society to keep a conversation that Hamas and PLO will never be able to make.

You keep pounding Hamas and PLO propaganda, settlers will keep talking to the shekihs, and we'll see whom the sheikhs choose - the western activists who are detached from reality thousands of miles away, or neighbors who understand what they value on the ground.

The division between Fatah an Hamas is a creature of Oslo. Fatah is the only faction hanging on to that division.

 

[rylah]

P F Tinmore we both know that having a state or not is not the whole issue.
It's about NOT having Israel in any shape or form beside it.
Palestinians will even fight the notion of their own state for that goal.

As Tawil Fadiha said : "We want You to evacuate, dismantle, and gather in the Sharawia cafe to wait for further instructions."

No plan or vision beyond that.

The Palestinians do not want to change Palestine into a bantustan state.

It's the opposite,

The United Arab Emirates is a federal state that comprises seven federal emirates, each administered by a hereditary emir, these seven forming the electoral college for the federation's President and Prime Minister. As most emirates have either disappeared, been integrated in a larger modern state or changed their rulers' styles, e.g. to malik (Arabic for king) or sultan, such true emirate-states have become rare.


An emirate is the most successful system in the Arab world today, it addresses the territorial issue of an non-continuous state and the social tribalism. If Hamas eventually choose to reconcile with PLO they can stick together, if not they have the option to be separate emirates but as one nation.

In both options the life of the average Palestinian is times better than what they had under PLO or Hamas.
Q.Look at Syria and Yemen, then look at Emirates - tell me which of the options produces better life?

You are missing the point of my post.

And You're missing the simple point, that Hamas and Gaza are not the biggest world problems, not even for Israel.
We have the time. And that I'm talking about something that is going on the ground behind Youtube productions of Pallywood.

We have time, and we have established the needed connections within the society to keep a conversation that Hamas and PLO will never be able to make.

You keep pounding Hamas and PLO propaganda, settlers will keep talking to the shekihs, and we'll see whom the sheikhs choose - the western activists who are detached from reality thousands of miles away, or neighbors who understand what they value on the ground.

The division between Fatah an Hamas is a creature of Oslo. Fatah is the only faction hanging on to that division.

You sure that's the only division?
One of the first orders by Arafat was to open a committee for tribal relations.
That wasn't because of Oslo, that's the society itself.

 

[Hollie]

P F Tinmore we both know that having a state or not is not the whole issue.
It's about NOT having Israel in any shape or form beside it.
Palestinians will even fight the notion of their own state for that goal.

As Tawil Fadiha said : "We want You to evacuate, dismantle, and gather in the Sharawia cafe to wait for further instructions."

No plan or vision beyond that.

The Palestinians do not want to change Palestine into a bantustan state.

It's the opposite,

The United Arab Emirates is a federal state that comprises seven federal emirates, each administered by a hereditary emir, these seven forming the electoral college for the federation's President and Prime Minister. As most emirates have either disappeared, been integrated in a larger modern state or changed their rulers' styles, e.g. to malik (Arabic for king) or sultan, such true emirate-states have become rare.


An emirate is the most successful system in the Arab world today, it addresses the territorial issue of an non-continuous state and the social tribalism. If Hamas eventually choose to reconcile with PLO they can stick together, if not they have the option to be separate emirates but as one nation.

In both options the life of the average Palestinian is times better than what they had under PLO or Hamas.
Q.Look at Syria and Yemen, then look at Emirates - tell me which of the options produces better life?

You are missing the point of my post.

And You're missing the simple point, that Hamas and Gaza are not the biggest world problems, not even for Israel.
We have the time. And that I'm talking about something that is going on the ground behind Youtube productions of Pallywood.

We have time, and we have established the needed connections within the society to keep a conversation that Hamas and PLO will never be able to make.

You keep pounding Hamas and PLO propaganda, settlers will keep talking to the shekihs, and we'll see whom the sheikhs choose - the western activists who are detached from reality thousands of miles away, or neighbors who understand what they value on the ground.

The division between Fatah an Hamas is a creature of Oslo. Fatah is the only faction hanging on to that division.

That's really nonsensical. Hamas, as the bastard child of the Muslim Brotherhood, has ideological differences with Fatah. The civil war those two islamic terrorist franchises fought was classic Islamist tribal turf warfare for power and control.

 

[Hollie]

The division between Fatah an Hamas is a creature of Oslo.

Shirley, you have a YouTube video?

 

[P F Tinmore]

The Palestinians do not want to change Palestine into a bantustan state.

It's the opposite,

The United Arab Emirates is a federal state that comprises seven federal emirates, each administered by a hereditary emir, these seven forming the electoral college for the federation's President and Prime Minister. As most emirates have either disappeared, been integrated in a larger modern state or changed their rulers' styles, e.g. to malik (Arabic for king) or sultan, such true emirate-states have become rare.


An emirate is the most successful system in the Arab world today, it addresses the territorial issue of an non-continuous state and the social tribalism. If Hamas eventually choose to reconcile with PLO they can stick together, if not they have the option to be separate emirates but as one nation.

In both options the life of the average Palestinian is times better than what they had under PLO or Hamas.
Q.Look at Syria and Yemen, then look at Emirates - tell me which of the options produces better life?

You are missing the point of my post.

And You're missing the simple point, that Hamas and Gaza are not the biggest world problems, not even for Israel.
We have the time. And that I'm talking about something that is going on the ground behind Youtube productions of Pallywood.

We have time, and we have established the needed connections within the society to keep a conversation that Hamas and PLO will never be able to make.

You keep pounding Hamas and PLO propaganda, settlers will keep talking to the shekihs, and we'll see whom the sheikhs choose - the western activists who are detached from reality thousands of miles away, or neighbors who understand what they value on the ground.

The division between Fatah an Hamas is a creature of Oslo. Fatah is the only faction hanging on to that division.

That's really nonsensical. Hamas, as the bastard child of the Muslim Brotherhood, has ideological differences with Fatah. The civil war those two islamic terrorist franchises fought was classic Islamist tribal turf warfare for power and control.

And that so called civil war was over Oslo.

 

[Hollie]

It's the opposite,

The United Arab Emirates is a federal state that comprises seven federal emirates, each administered by a hereditary emir, these seven forming the electoral college for the federation's President and Prime Minister. As most emirates have either disappeared, been integrated in a larger modern state or changed their rulers' styles, e.g. to malik (Arabic for king) or sultan, such true emirate-states have become rare.


An emirate is the most successful system in the Arab world today, it addresses the territorial issue of an non-continuous state and the social tribalism. If Hamas eventually choose to reconcile with PLO they can stick together, if not they have the option to be separate emirates but as one nation.

In both options the life of the average Palestinian is times better than what they had under PLO or Hamas.
Q.Look at Syria and Yemen, then look at Emirates - tell me which of the options produces better life?

You are missing the point of my post.

And You're missing the simple point, that Hamas and Gaza are not the biggest world problems, not even for Israel.
We have the time. And that I'm talking about something that is going on the ground behind Youtube productions of Pallywood.

We have time, and we have established the needed connections within the society to keep a conversation that Hamas and PLO will never be able to make.

You keep pounding Hamas and PLO propaganda, settlers will keep talking to the shekihs, and we'll see whom the sheikhs choose - the western activists who are detached from reality thousands of miles away, or neighbors who understand what they value on the ground.

The division between Fatah an Hamas is a creature of Oslo. Fatah is the only faction hanging on to that division.

That's really nonsensical. Hamas, as the bastard child of the Muslim Brotherhood, has ideological differences with Fatah. The civil war those two islamic terrorist franchises fought was classic Islamist tribal turf warfare for power and control.

And that so called civil war was over Oslo.

The shootings, street murders, torture and other forms of Islamist societal pathologies were not "so-called".

Nothing to do with Oslo. Just very average Islamist tribal conflicts.

Now, where's your YouTube video?

 

[P F Tinmore]

The division between Fatah an Hamas is a creature of Oslo.

Shirley, you have a YouTube video?

Of course I do.

Surely (not Shirley) I do not disappoint.

 

[Hollie]

The division between Fatah an Hamas is a creature of Oslo.

Shirley, you have a YouTube video?

Of course I do.

Surely (not Shirley) I do not disappoint.

That silly YouTube video does nothing to support an argument you can't articulate.

 

[rylah]

The division between Fatah an Hamas is a creature of Oslo.

Shirley, you have a YouTube video?

Of course I do.

Surely (not Shirley) I do not disappoint.

You really think that a LAW got Hamas and PLO into a civil war?
It's a classic 2 group fight over resources, honor and UNRWA chunk of aid.
Not that any of the groups allowed any further elections after the takeover.


What a naive attitude.
Have You ever been to the middle east?

 

[P F Tinmore]

You are missing the point of my post.

And You're missing the simple point, that Hamas and Gaza are not the biggest world problems, not even for Israel.
We have the time. And that I'm talking about something that is going on the ground behind Youtube productions of Pallywood.

We have time, and we have established the needed connections within the society to keep a conversation that Hamas and PLO will never be able to make.

You keep pounding Hamas and PLO propaganda, settlers will keep talking to the shekihs, and we'll see whom the sheikhs choose - the western activists who are detached from reality thousands of miles away, or neighbors who understand what they value on the ground.

The division between Fatah an Hamas is a creature of Oslo. Fatah is the only faction hanging on to that division.

That's really nonsensical. Hamas, as the bastard child of the Muslim Brotherhood, has ideological differences with Fatah. The civil war those two islamic terrorist franchises fought was classic Islamist tribal turf warfare for power and control.

And that so called civil war was over Oslo.

The shootings, street murders, torture and other forms of Islamist societal pathologies were not "so-called".

Nothing to do with Oslo. Just very average Islamist tribal conflicts.

Now, where's your YouTube video?

Why do you post here when you know so little?

Part of Oslo was security coordination between the PA and Israel. These security forced are paid by foreign donors to take out Hamas, Islamic Jihad, or any other opposition to the occupation.

When Hamas won, and Fatah lost, the Palestinian elections, Hamas became the majority party in the Palestinian Authority.

Extra money and weapons were pumped into Fatah to overturn the Palestinian Authority and put the losers back in power. This worked in the West Bank but failed in Gaza. The government in Gaza is what remained of the elected government while an illegal government was set up in the West Bank. This is what the liars call the Palestinian Authority.

 

[P F Tinmore]

The division between Fatah an Hamas is a creature of Oslo.

Shirley, you have a YouTube video?

Of course I do.

Surely (not Shirley) I do not disappoint.

That silly YouTube video does nothing to support an argument you can't articulate.

Don't blame me for your lack of comprehension.

 

[rylah]

And You're missing the simple point, that Hamas and Gaza are not the biggest world problems, not even for Israel.
We have the time. And that I'm talking about something that is going on the ground behind Youtube productions of Pallywood.

We have time, and we have established the needed connections within the society to keep a conversation that Hamas and PLO will never be able to make.

You keep pounding Hamas and PLO propaganda, settlers will keep talking to the shekihs, and we'll see whom the sheikhs choose - the western activists who are detached from reality thousands of miles away, or neighbors who understand what they value on the ground.

The division between Fatah an Hamas is a creature of Oslo. Fatah is the only faction hanging on to that division.

That's really nonsensical. Hamas, as the bastard child of the Muslim Brotherhood, has ideological differences with Fatah. The civil war those two islamic terrorist franchises fought was classic Islamist tribal turf warfare for power and control.

And that so called civil war was over Oslo.

The shootings, street murders, torture and other forms of Islamist societal pathologies were not "so-called".

Nothing to do with Oslo. Just very average Islamist tribal conflicts.

Now, where's your YouTube video?

Why do you post here when you know so little?

Part of Oslo was security coordination between the PA and Israel. These security forced are paid by foreign donors to take out Hamas, Islamic Jihad, or any other opposition to the occupation.

When Hamas won, and Fatah lost, the Palestinian elections, Hamas became the majority party in the Palestinian Authority.

Extra money and weapons were pumped into Fatah to overturn the Palestinian Authority and put the losers back in power. This worked in the West Bank but failed in Gaza. The government in Gaza is what remained of the elected government while an illegal government was set up in the West Bank. This is what the liars call the Palestinian Authority.

So after Hamas demonstratively murdered the PLO voters in Gaza when did they organize new elections?
Does Hamas even allow for opposition voices to organize within Gaza?

 

[P F Tinmore]

The division between Fatah an Hamas is a creature of Oslo. Fatah is the only faction hanging on to that division.

That's really nonsensical. Hamas, as the bastard child of the Muslim Brotherhood, has ideological differences with Fatah. The civil war those two islamic terrorist franchises fought was classic Islamist tribal turf warfare for power and control.

And that so called civil war was over Oslo.

The shootings, street murders, torture and other forms of Islamist societal pathologies were not "so-called".

Nothing to do with Oslo. Just very average Islamist tribal conflicts.

Now, where's your YouTube video?

Why do you post here when you know so little?

Part of Oslo was security coordination between the PA and Israel. These security forced are paid by foreign donors to take out Hamas, Islamic Jihad, or any other opposition to the occupation.

When Hamas won, and Fatah lost, the Palestinian elections, Hamas became the majority party in the Palestinian Authority.

Extra money and weapons were pumped into Fatah to overturn the Palestinian Authority and put the losers back in power. This worked in the West Bank but failed in Gaza. The government in Gaza is what remained of the elected government while an illegal government was set up in the West Bank. This is what the liars call the Palestinian Authority.

So after Hamas demonstratively murdered the PLO voters in Gaza when did they organize new elections?
Do they even allow for opposition to organize?

Elections are held according to constitutional procedures. Abbas will not allow that to happen.